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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 by Staff Writer

Olmert government moves step closer to collapse

The government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert moved a step closer to collapse on Wednesday when Strategic Affairs Minister Avigdor Leiberman resigned his cabinet chair and announced the withdrawal of his Israel Beiteinu Party from the ruling coalition.

Lieberman said he could no longer remain in a government that was making policy based on the illusion that surrendering land to the Palestinians will bring peace to the region.

The move comes less than a week after US President George W. Bush sat down to dinner with the Israeli cabinet and strongly urged the gathered ministers to refrain from destabilizing the Olmert government while it is involved in helping to birth a Palestinian Arab state.

Even with Israel Beiteinu's departure, the Olmert government still commands a 67-seat majority in the Knesset. However, many expect the religious Shas Party to follow Israel Beiteinu's lead for similar reasons, and for Olmert's largest coalition partner, the Labor Party, to pullout next month following the publication of the Winograd Commission investigation into the mishandling of the 2006 war against Lebanon's Hizballah.

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[215] COMMENTS:
1 .  OUTREACH JUDAISM: BRINGING OUR NATION BACK -
TO THE TRUTH AND BEAUTY -

- OF THE JEWISH FAITH :)

http://www.outreachjudaism.org./index.html
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 5:57 PM
2 .  ONLY IN HASHEM, WHO SPOKE TO ME, IS THERE RIGHTEOUSNESS
AND STRENGTH,

ALL THOSE WHO ANGER HIM
WILL COME TO HIM -

- AND BE ASHAMED.

ALL THE SEED OF ISRAEL
WILL BE VINDICATED -

AND WILL GLORY IN HASHEM.
Isaiah 45:24-25

YET THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN
OF ISRAEL WILL BE -

LIKE THE S A N D OF THE SEA.
Hosea 1:10
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 5:49 PM
3 .  I SWEAR BY MYSELF, RIGHTEOUSNESS HAS GONE FORTH
FROM MY MOUTH,

A WORD THAT WILL NOT BE RESCINDED:

THAT TO ME SHALL EVERY
KNEE KNEEL -

AND EVERY TONGUE SWEAR.
Isaiah 45:23
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 5:05 PM
4 .  TURN TO ME (GOD) AND AND BE SAVED,
ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH,

FOR I AM GOD AND THERE IS NO OTHER.

THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME,

THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS GOD BESIDES ME -

AND NO SAVIOR OTHER THAN ME.
Isaiah 45:22,21

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1045.htm
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 5:00 PM
5 .  I HAVE PLACED LIFE AND DEATH BEFORE YOU,
BLESSING AND CURSE

AND YOU SHALL CHOOSE LIFE,

SO THAT YOU WILL LIVE, YOU AND YOUR OFFSPRING –

TO LOVE HASHEM, YOUR GOD,*

*TO LOVE I.E., PERFORM THE COMMANDMENTS
PURELY OUT OF LOVE,

TO LISTEN TO HIS VOICE AND TO CLEAVE TO HIM,

FOR HE IS YOUR LIFE AND THE LENGTH OF YOUR DAYS,
TO DWELL UPON THE LAND –

THAT HASHEM SWORE TO YOUR FOREFATHERS,

TO ABRAHAM, TO ISAAC,

AND TO JACOB TO GIVE THEM.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20

THE CHOICE OF WHETHER OR NOT TO ACCEPT THE TORAH IS NOTHING LESS THAN THE CHOICE -

- BETWEEN BLESSING AND CURSE.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:54 PM
6 .  GIVING IN TO YOUR BAD IMPULSES / INCLINATIONS DOES NOT MEAN
THAT YOU ARE A VICTIM OF A DEMON.

BUT RATHER, THE WICKED SUCCUMB TO THE EVIL INCLINATION, I.E., IMPULSE,

MEANING HE DOES NOT SUBORDINATE
HIMSELF BEFORE GOD.

SEE – I HAVE PLACED BEFORE YOU TODAY THE LIFE AND THE GOOD,

AND THE DEATH AND THE EVIL,
Deuteronomy 30:15

YOUR CHOICE, WITHOUT
THE EVIL INCLINATION -

- THERE IS NO FREE WILL.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:47 PM
7 .  JEWS DO NOT BELIEVE IN DEMONIC POSSESSION.
BUT FROM A VERY ROMAN CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE:

A PERSON CAN SUCCUMB TO A DEMON OR A DEVIL -

- THAT WILL TAKE OVER THEIR BODY, AND THE ONLY CURE
IS AN EXORCISM TO DRIVE THE DEMON OUT.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:37 PM
8 .  And it came to pass on the morrow, that an evil spirit*
*An evil spirit of hatred.

FROM GOD CAME MIGHTILY UPON SAUL, AND HE RAVED -

IN THE MIDST OF THE HOUSE,

AND DAVID PLAYED WITH HIS HAND,

AS HE DID DAY BY DAY...

AND SAUL WAS AFRAID OF DAVID,
BECAUSE THE LORD WAS WITH HIM,

- AND WAS DEPARTED FROM SAUL.
I Samuel 18:10-12

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:29 PM
9 .  S A N D S T O R M
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3160476304834958368
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:16 PM
10 .  In the Name of Yeshua Hamashiach
I command you Hasatan to come out of Rebekah of Norway.
You have led her astray and blinded her for long enough now.
Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Yeshua Hamashiach is Lord.
You have plundered and stolen from her the Truth and everlasting life.
But, Father your Son has paid the price also for Rebekah and has overcome and bruised the head of Hasatan. Act now O Lord in Your Sons name Yeshua, I pray. Amen


 
Sarah   1/29/2008 4:11 PM
11 .  BUT GENERATIONS LATER, PEOPLE BEGAN TO CONSIDER
THE COPPER SNAKE INDEPENDENT FROM GOD.

THEY STARTED TO WORSHIP IT AS A SEPARATE POWER.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent
in the wilderness,

even so must the Son of Man
be lifted up,

that whoever believes in Him
should not perish...

- but have eternal life.
John 3:14-15 NKJ
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:09 PM
12 .  THE COPPER SNAKE THAT GOD COMMANDED MOSES TO MAKE
IN NUMBERS 21:4-9, THE INTENTION
WAS THAT WHEN A PERSON -

WAS BITTEN BY A VENOMOUS SNAKE,*

Yeshua: "Pay attention! I am sending you (Christians) out like sheep -
- among wolves (Jews),

so be as pru-dent as snakes -

- and as harmless as doves."
Matthew 10:16 CJB

- HE WOULD LOOK AT THE COPPER SNAKE AND REMEMBER GOD.

HE WOULD THEN PRAY TO GOD AND REPENT AND BE HEALED.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 4:06 PM
13 .  And I will put enmity Between you (HASATAN)* and the woman,
*THE EVIL INCLINATION, IMPULSE

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=15040

And between your (HASATAN''S, THE SERPENT''S) seed -
(THE CHRISTIANS)

and her (THE WOMAN''S) Seed
(THE JEWS),

He (GOD) shall bruise your head,

And you (THE WOMAN) -

- shall bruise His heel."
Genesis 3:15 NKJ

Rashi: "Even from there (NORWAY) -
- you will kill H-im."
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 3:45 PM
14 .  AND so: Yeshua became impure,
lifted up like the bronze serpent, became a curse, so that who looks upon Him may be healed.
 
  1/29/2008 3:37 PM
15 .  One fights fire with fire, one heals a snake bite with snake

 
Sarah   1/29/2008 3:35 PM
16 .  For the price of a life, is a life!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Sarah   1/29/2008 3:34 PM
17 .  OPEN THE GATES! LET THE RIGHTEOUS NATION ENTER,
A NATION (THE JEWISH)

THAT KEEPS FAITH (JUDAISM)!
Isaiah 26:2

CHRISTIAN OPINION:

The righteous nation: The converted Gentiles shall have the gates opened-

a full entrance into all the glories and privileges of the Gospel,

being fellow heirs with the converted Jews.

The Jewish peculiarity is destroyed, for the middle wall
of partition is broken down.

The truth: The Gospel itself-as the fulfilment of all the ancient types,

shadows, and ceremonies, and therefore termed the truth,

in opposition to all those shadowy rites and ceremonies.

"The law was given by Moses, but grace and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ," John 1:17, John 1:17,
(The Adam Clarke Commentary).

HA, HA, HA, HA... WHAT A BLASPHEMY!
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 3:08 PM
18 .  AND WORST OF ALL, IT RENDERS HIM INCAPABLE OF EVEN
PERCEIVING HIS LOSS.

FOR THIS REASON, RAMA (YOREH DEAH 81:7) CAUTIONS -

THAT EVEN SMALL CHILDREN SHOULD BE PREVENTED -

- FROM EATING FORBIDDEN FOODS.

http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/ABCs_of_Kosher.asp
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:57 PM
19 .  FOR I AM HASHEM WHO ELEVATES YOU -
FROM THE LAND OF EGYPT *(IDOLATRY, SLAVERY) -

When Israel was a child,
then I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called My son.

The more they called them, the more they went from them,

they sacrificed unto the Baalim,
and offered to graven images.
Hosea 11:1-2

TO BE A GOD UNTO YOU,

YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.
Leviticus 11:45

THE CONSUMPTION OF NON-KOSHER FOOD DEADENS
A JEW''S SPIRITUAL CAPACITIES -

AND LESSENS HIS OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME HOLY.

Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws:

http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:51 PM
20 .  It was by FAITH that blind
Bartholomeus was the one that could see that Yeshua was the Son of David the Moshiach they had been waiting for.

And by FAITH
the same was healed
and could see!!!
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 2:45 PM
21 .  Yeshua said:- If you have FAITH
as a grain of mustard seed,

and you say to this mountain be
removed and cast into the sea

and do not doubt in your heart....

IT WILL BE AS YOU SAY!


FAITH IS GREATER THAN THE OPINION OF TOVIA SINGER.
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 2:41 PM
22 .  Abraham is the father of FAITH
Abraham saw what was not, and believed.
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 2:34 PM
23 .  FOR I AM HASHEM YOUR GOD - YOU ARE TO SANCTIFY YOURSELVES
AND YOU SHALL BECOME HOLY -
- FOR I AM HOLY,

AND YOU SHALL NOT CONTAMINATE YOURSELVES THROUGH ANY TEEMING THING

THAT CREEPS ON THE EARTH.
Leviticus 11:44

AT THE END OF THIS CHAPTER,
THE TORAH STRESSES
THE REASON FOR KASHRUS VERY CLEARLY:

BY OBSERVING THESE LAWS THE JEW PULLS HIMSELF UP -

- THE LADDER (Jacob''s dream) -
OF HOLINESS,

BY IGNORING THEM, HE CONTAMINATES HIMSELF AND BUILDS A BARRIER -

- THAT BLOCKS OUT HIS COMPREHENSION OF HOLINESS.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:24 PM
24 .  AND YE SHALL BE UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS,
AND A HOLY NATION.*

THESE ARE THE WORDS WHICH THOU SHALT SPEAK -

- UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.
Exodus 19:5-6

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0219.htm
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:14 PM
25 .  NOW THEREFORE, IF YE WILL HEARKEN UNTO MY VOICE INDEED,
AND KEEP MY COVENANT,

- THEN YE SHALL BE MINE OWN TREASURE FROM
AMONG ALL PEOPLES,

FOR ALL THE EARTH IS MINE,
Exodus 19:5
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:09 PM
26 .  AND THE LORD SAID UNTO AARON: THOU AND THY SONS
AND THY FATHERS HOUSE WITH THEE SHALL BEAR

THE INIQUITY OF THE SANCTUARY

AND THOU AND THY SONS WITH THEE SHALL BEAR THE INIQUITY -

- OF YOUR PRIESTHOOD.
Numbers 18:1

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:04 PM
27 .  THE ROLE OF THE PRIESTHOOD IS TO BEAR INIQUITY.
BUT YE SHALL BE NAMED THE PRIESTS OF THE LORD,

MEN SHALL CALL YOU -

- THR MINISTERS OF OUR GOD.
Isaiah 61:6-9

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:01 PM
28 .  WHITH HIS KNOWLEDGE? IN CHRISTAN THEOLOGY -
IT WAS NOT JESUS''KNOWLEDGE,
WHICH JUSTIFIED THE WORLD.

- IT WAS HIS BLOOD.

ISAIAH DOES NOT TALK ABOUT A CRUCIFIED AND KILLED MOSHIACH.

IN CHAPTER 53.

THE PROPHET IS REFERING TO
THE ALMIGHTY''S SERVANT -

- ISRAEL, THE MOSHIACH,

WHO WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE
CONFIRMS TO THE WORLD,

THAT THERE IS NO GOD OR SAVIOR -

- BESIDE THE GOD OF ISRAEL.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:57 PM
29 .  HE (THE MOSHIACH) SHALL SEE OF THE TRAVAIL OF HIS SOUL,
AND SHALL BE SATISFIED:

BY THE KNOWLEDGE OF HIMSELF
SHAL MY (GOD''S)

RIGHTEOUS SERVANT
(ISRAEL, MOSHIACH)

JUSTIFY MANY -

AND HE SHALL BEAR THEIR

(THE MANY''S) INIQUITIES.
Isaiah 53:11 HNV

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:53 PM
30 .  Phillip Rozema: Indeed, under the law almost everything...
is purified with blood,

and without the shedding of blood there is no -

forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:22

IS THIS CLAIM REALLY TRUE?

Could Jesus'' Death Atone For Any Kind of Sin?

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/jesusdeath.html

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:48 PM
31 .  cont...
Another point about the blood, judt come to me...

You know an egg has been fertilized when there is blood.

The male sperm forms the blood in the female egg, and life begins anew.

There was no earthly male to crea8te the Blood of our Lord. Who''s BLOOD was it then?
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 7:06 AM
32 .  Amen Phillip Rozema!
Life is absolutely Holy.
Thats why to offer sacrifice is to draw close to God.

For the life of the flesh is in the BLOOD.

Not one had seen blood in the Garden until the fall, and God made the first sacrifice and covered them
with clothes of the skin of the animals.

For the price of a life is a life!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 7:00 AM
33 .  Radical
I really am not trying to be condescending. I will tell you where I am comming from. I was raised in one church denomination, and since then have attended many others. I listened to what the preachers said and learned the scriptures that were given us to learn. Then one day I decided to read the whole Book. I found so many things that I had never been taught and so many things that had been taught wrong. I decided to ask some preachers about them. I received strange answers. Since that time I have read the whole Bible about 8 times and the new testiment about 20 times. Every time the Holy Spirit shows me something new. Now I do as Jesus said and let Him be my teacher. Any time you get into a different denomonation they each have a different doctrine the same for groups that put themselves up as watchdog groups. That is the reason I keep harping on read the whole Book and listen to the Holy Spirit, pray for His guideance.
 
Richard   1/29/2008 6:25 AM
34 .  Radical &Sarah
Radical, Radical, Radical, like i''ve said before, read the whole Book.

Thank you Sarah.
 
Richard   1/29/2008 6:04 AM
35 .  Amen Sarah!
Yeshua the firstfruits of the grave.
Yeshua a sin offering for us.
Under the Holy Covenants (Levitical and New) there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood.
In Hebrew (The Holy language of God as spoken to Moses) the meaning of "sacrifice" is different than in the english.Sacrifice in Hebrew means to "draw close" to G-d
"The Holy Blood of Yeshua" is now an unpopular concept amoungst apostate christians.
Many of Yeshuas disciples left him when he said to them you must eat my flesh and drink my blood otherwise you have no part with me.They did not understand that he was freely giving himself as a spritual offering to be used by believers.
Without the Ruach Hakkodesh(Holy Spirit) people in the natural flesh cannot understand the Holy Word of the Living G-d.
G-d is sprirt and must be worshiped in spirit and in truth.
 
Phillip Rozema   1/29/2008 4:28 AM
36 .  Why did Yeshua hang on a tree?
Why did the priest who added the ashes of the red heifer to the waters become impure if the waters that were to be used to cleanse, came on him.

-Nothing can be pure if it does not have the ability to become impure.

One fights fire with fire, one heals a snake bite with snake serum:
Therefore, Moses made a bronze serpent to represent the serpent. Looking up at it would heal the Israelite that was bitten by a snake.

AND so: Yeshua became impure, lifted up like the bronze serpent, became a curse, so that who looks upon Him may be healed.
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 2:47 AM
37 .  To Radical
The reason the Bible states that Yeshua our Lord is the stumbling block, is because, by His coming, He would upset the system present at the time (Temple Worship): it had to change from sacrificing animals, along with all the debauchery that attached itself to it.

Satan is not the stumbling block. He is the thief that comes to destroy.

Blessing to you and yours.
Sarah
 
Sarah   1/29/2008 2:33 AM
38 .  FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I SHALL SEAL -
WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL,

- I WILL PLACE MY TORAH WITHIN THEM -

AND I WILL WRITE IT -

- ONTO THEIR HEART :)
Jeremiah 31:32
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:26 AM
39 .  FOR FROM ZION WILL THE TORAH COME FORTH,
AND THE WORD OF HASHEM -

- FROM JERUSALEM.
Isaiah 2:3
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:23 AM
40 .  IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE END OF DAYS:
THE MOUNTAIN OF THE TEMPLE
OF HASHEM WILL BE

FIRMLY ESTABLISHED AS THE HEAD
OF THE MOUNTAINS (nations),

AND IT WILL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS (kingdoms),

AND ALL THE NATIONS WILL STREAM TO IT.

MANY PEOPLES WILL GO AND SAY,

"COME LET US GO UP TO THE MOUNTAIN OF HASHEM,

TO THE TEMPLE OF THE GOD
OF JACOB,

AND HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS (THE TORAH)

AND WE WILL WALK IN HIS PATHS"
(THE TORAH).
Isaiah 2:2-3
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:22 AM
41 .  THE STONE "KNOWLEDGE OF GOD" WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED
IS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNER-STONE.*
Psalm 118:22

*FOR THE BUILDING OF THE THIRD TEMPLE.

http://www.thirdtempleworld.com/

VIDEO TOUR OF TEMPLE MOUNT:

With Rabbi Chaim Richman
of the Temple Institute.

http://universaltorah.com/programming/2006/09/22/video-tour-of-the-temple-mount.htm

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:20 AM
42 .  THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW (THE TORAH) OF THE LORD,
AND HAVE NOT KEPT HIS STATUTES,

AND THEIR LIES HAVE CAUSED THEM TO ERR,

AFTER WHICH THEIR FATHERS DID WALK.
Amos 2:4

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1502.htm

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:17 AM
43 .  MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYD FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE (OF GOD),
BECAUSE THOU HAST -

- REJECTED KNOWLEDGE,
Hosea 4:6
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:16 AM
44 .  THEREFORE, THUS SAID MY LORD HASHEM ELOHIM:
BEHOLD, I AM LAYING A STONE FOR A FOUNDATION IN ZION:

A STURDY STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNERSTONE

"KNOWLEDGE OF GOD,"

A SECURE FOUNDATION,

I SHALL USE JUDGMENT

AS A MEASURING LINE, AND RIGHTEOUSNESS (tzedakah)

AS A PLUMB BOB.

HAIL (God''s voice) WILL SWEEP AWAY THE SHELTER OF DECEIT,*

*IDOLATRY (Christianity) WILL BE SWEPT AWAY.

AND WATER (word of God) WILL
WASH AWAY

THE REFUGE OF FALSEHOOD.
Isaiah 28:16-17

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:14 AM
45 .  AND HE SHALL BE FOR A SANCTUARY, BUT FOR A STONE
OF STUMBLING AND FOR A ROCK
OF OFFENCE -

TO BOTH THE HOUSES OF ISRAEL,*

*GOD WILL BE A FORTRESS OF PROTECTION TO (THE JEWS) -

- THE LOYALISTS IN JERUSALEM,

AND A STUMBLING ROCK -
- FOR THE REBELS.*

*THE CHRISTIANS, MESSIANICS

FOR A GIN AND FOR A SNARE
TO THE INHABITANTS

OF JERUSALEM. AND MANY AMONG THEM SHALL STUMBLE, AND FALL,

AND BE BROKEN, AND BE TAKEN.
Isaiah 8:14-15

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:12 AM
46 .  Radical: FOR THOU HAST FORGOTTEN THE GOD OF THY SALVATION
AND THOU HAST NOT BEEN MINDFUL OF THE ROCK -

- OF THY STRONGHOLD,
Isaiah 17:10
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:10 AM
47 .  Rebekah Norway is not Jewish
she is a follower of Tovia Singers website.
Pray that she will return from her ways.
 
  1/29/2008 2:06 AM
48 .  RETURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD,
FOR I (GOD) AM A LORD UNTO YOU,

AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE
OF A CITY,
AND TWO OF A FAMILY,

AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION,

AND I WILL GIVE YOU SHEPHERDS
ACCORDING TO MY HEART.

WHO SHALL FEED YOU WITH KNOWLEDGE (OF GOD)

AND UNDERSTANDING.
Jeremiah 3:14-15

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:05 AM
49 .  Richard
One little correction, if I may? Satan is the stumbling block, not the Lord. People will recognize Him this time when He returns - no denying Him again. Every knee shall bow. Even those that do not recognize Him at first, but then many will, and I suspect even the demons and the wicked one shall be quivering. It is satan who is stumbling people from the current matters at hand because he is the temporary ruler of this world and people who do not follow Jesus'' teachings. No, it is not our Lord who is the stumbling block, not ever.
 
Radical   1/29/2008 2:03 AM
50 .  DAVID REPRESENTS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE KINGDOM
- OF HEAVEN ON EARTH.

AND THE KINGDOM AND
THE DOMINION,

AND THE GREATNESS OF
THE KINGDOMS

UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, (!)

SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS (the Jews :)

- OF THE MOST HIGH -

THEIR KINGDOM IS AN EVERLASTING KINGDOM,

AND ALL DOMINIONS SHALL SERVE

AND OBEY THEM (the Jews).
Daniel 7:27
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 2:00 AM
51 .  AND YE SHALL BE GATHERED ONE BY ONE,

O YE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.
Isaiah 27:12

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1027.htm
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:53 AM
52 .  Dave-BNBIH
Thank you for your kind words and the gentle reminder of forgiveness and love in our Savior''s Holy Name. There are many houses in the Father''s mansion with room for all and of course we know this, but it was the getting there that was actually being addressed.

I agree with you completely - you can tell all by the spirit which manifests itself (or lack of) in many ways even in this electronic medium. God never ceases to astound me, and I don''t expect that will ever change because the more I know Him the more he amazes me. It is truly a blessed journey to be alive in these times and watch prophecy being fulfilled just exactly like He has said. It can get a little unnervy sometimes. Looks like this article is about to be purged, so be well and many blessings on your journey, and may we meet again.
 
Radical   1/29/2008 1:51 AM
53 .  SIN AND ATONEMENT: WHO NEEDS THE BLOOD?
THERE IS NO ARTICLE OF FAITH THAT IS MORE CENTRAL -

- TO THE CHURCH

THAN THE BELIEF IN THE
ATONING VALUE OF JESUS'' SACRIFICIAL DEATH AT CALVARY.

MISSIONARIES NEVER MISS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT
THE INABILITY TO EXPIATE SIN -

"WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD."

IS THIS CLAIM REALLY TRUE?

IN THIS CRUCIAL LECTURE, RABBI TOVIA SINGER COMPARES -

THE CONCEPTS OF SIN AND ATONEMENT, AS SET FORTH
BY CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM

- UTILIZING A THOROUGH PRESENTATION
OF THEIR BIBLICAL SOURCES.

LISTEN FOR FREE :)

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:47 AM
54 .  Correction
In the last sentence the word should have been accept not assept.
 
Richard   1/29/2008 1:23 AM
55 .  Rebekah-Norway
If Jesus can''t be High Priest, who is your High Priest? The Torah teaches that sin can not be forgiven without a blood sacrifice. What blood sacrifice do you offer God? I have asked this question before and received the answer that we no longer sacrifice because we have no Temple. That just doesn''t wash (make sence). Sacrifices existed long before the temple was built.

My atoning sacrifice is the blood of Jesus. He is the only way to the Father. Your posts suggest that you are Jewish so I will not try to tell you that you must accept my Messiah. You also seem to know the Tanakh. So I just ask you to read all the places in the prophets that tell of the comming Messiah. How He will be a stumbling block, How no one will recognize Him, How He will be pierced for our transgetions. What I would love to see happen is for you to assept your Messiah (the one that I have accepted.
 
Richard   1/29/2008 1:21 AM
56 .  MOREOVER, JESUS COULD NOT BE A BIBLICALLY HIGH PRIEST
BECAUSE THE LEGITIMATE PRIESTHOOD,

WOULD BE NONE OTHER THAN
THE AARONIC PRIESTHOOD.

WHEN ISRAEL SINNED AT THE GOLDEN CALF,

THE PRIESTHOOD WAS GIVEN
TO THE TRIBE OF LEVI,

WHICH HAD NOT BEEN TAINTED
BY THIS INCIDENT.

THE NEW TESTAMENT SAYS THAT JESUS WAS A DESCENDANT AND
A MEMBER OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH.

IF JESUS WAS A MEMBER OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, THEN HE LACKED

THE AARONIC LINEAGE OF THE BIBLICALLY LEGITIMATE PRIESTHOOD.

THEREFORE JESUS COULD NOT OFFICIATE AS A KOHEN GADOL,

AND STILL BE OBEDIENT TO THE TRIBAL LINEAGE REQUIREMENTS

OF THE MOSAIC LAW.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:17 AM
57 .  IF A MAN SHALL HAVE COMMITTED A SIN
WHOSE JUDGMENT IS DEATH,

HE SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH,

AND YOU SHALL HANG HIM
ON A GALLOWS.

HIS BODY SHALL NOT REMAIN FOR THE NIGHT ON THE GALLOWS,

RATHER YOU SHALL SURELY BURY HIM ON THAT DAY,

FOR A HANGING BODY IS A CURSE OF GOD,

AND YOU SHALL NOT CONTAMINATE YOUR LAND,

WHICH HASHEM, YOUR GOD,
GIVES YOU -

- AS AN INHERTIANCE.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:14 AM
58 .  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law (the Torah),
HAVING BECOME A CURSE FOR US -
FOR IT IS WRITTEN,*

*ON HANGING AND BURIAL: Deuteronomy 21:22-23

"CURSED IS EVERYONE

WHO HANGS ON A TREE"
Galatians 3:13
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 1:12 AM
59 .  Dave-BNBIH: Was Jesus a legitimate High Priest...
AND HIS SELF-SACRIFICE A LEGITIMATE SACRIFICE -

- ON A CROSS?

THE MOSAIC LAW (the Torah) SAYS,
- ABSOLUTELY NOT!
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/29/2008 12:44 AM
60 .  Cut off cont.
but dedicated/chosen/decided love settled in the Word. May the Father and God of our Savior, Lord, and Great High Priest bless you with knowledge, understanding, and the wisdom that results from these in Jesus'' Name, Amen!!!
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/28/2008 11:04 PM
61 .  to:Sarah and Radical
That is where many make a serious mistake. There is plenty of room at the feet of the Master, and there is no need to trample on someone else to get there. Unlatch the natural mind[which only operates in the temporal] and see with the mind of Christ and then time and space become moot points, and mere restrictions during our probationary period here in these mud-bot facimilies of our real selves which will become evident on the day we enter into the Bridal Chamber, and that is not too far off. Until that point, each of us must rely on the promise that if we do screw up, He is faithful and just to forgive us: as long as we confess it to Him and be cleansed from it and restored to fellowship. Since we still have to deal with our flesh[mind,will,emotions]{which is at enmity with God} then each and every one of us MUST cut each other some slack in the bonds of love[which is part of the evidence of being a Believer:ie, the great love they have one for the other],,but, not human love,,but dedicated/chosen/decided l
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/28/2008 10:58 PM
62 .  SHE (THE TORAH) PREPARED HER MEAT, MIXED HER WINE,
AND ALSO SET HER TABLE.*
Proverbs 9:1-2

*HER LESSONS ARE PREPARED AND SHE IS READY TO TEACH (Rashi).

YOU PREPARE A TABLE BEFORE ME IN VIEW OF MY TORMENTORS.

YOU ANOINTED MY HEAD WITH OIL,

MY CUP OVERFLOWS.
Psalm 23:5

YOU WILL MAKE KNOWN TO ME THE PATH OF LIFE,

THE FULLNESS OF JOYS IN YOUR PRESENCE,

THE DELIGHTS THAT ARE IN -

- YOUR RIGHT HAND FOR ETERNITY.
Psalm 16:11
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 2:15 AM
63 .  • MOSES REPRESENTS ETERNALITY AND DOMINANCE THROUGH TORAH
• AARON REPRESENTS EMPATHY AND RECEPTIVITY
TO DIVINE SPLENDOR.

• JOSEPH REPRESENTS HOLINESS AND THE SPIRITUAL FOUNDATION.

• DAVID REPRESENTS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE
KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH.

http://www.aish.com/sukkotsukkah/sukkotsukkahdefault/The_7_Ushpizin_Guests.asp
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 2:13 AM
64 .  THE SEVEN SHEPHERDS (USHPIZIN) OF ISRAEL:
• ABRAHAM REPRESENTS LOVE AND KINDNESS.

• ISAAC REPRESENTS RESTRAINT AND PERSONAL STRENGTH.

• JACOB REPRESENTS BEAUTY AND TRUTH.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:58 AM
65 .  THE PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL ANCESTORS OF JUDAISM,
THE THREE PATRIARCS, ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB,

AND THEIR WIVES: SARAH, RACHEL, REBECCA AND LEAH,

- THE FOUR MATRIARCHS ARE SEVEN PILLARS -

- THAT SUPPORT THE BUILDING.

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/growth/Three_Pillars_-_Pirke_Avot_12.asp
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:53 AM
66 .  GOD''S COMMANDMENTS, LAWS, AND PRINCIPLES,
AS FOUND IN THE TORAH,

GOD''S INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO LIVE AND HOW TO BEHAVE -

- WILL ULTIMATELY PREVAIL
(R'' Hirsch).

JUST AS GOD CREA-TED THE
PHYSICAL WORLD TO FUNCTION ACCORDING TO CONSISTENT LAWS,

- SO HIS MORAL DEMANDS ARE CONSTANT AND INVIOLABLE.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:48 AM
67 .  THE EARTH AND ALL ITS INHABITANTS ARE MELTED,* I HAVE
FIRMLY ESTABLISHED ITS PILLARS, SELAH.
Psalm 75:4

*EVEN IF THE MORAL FIBER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL HAVE MELTED.

GOD''S MORAL ABSOLUTES* WILL REMAIN APPLICABLE AND RELEVANT.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:44 AM
68 .  ON THREE THINGS THE WORLD STANDS: ON TORAH,
ON SERVICE OF GOD, AND ACTS OF HUMAN KINDNESS
(Shimon HaTzaddik).

RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUSTICE ARE YOUR THRONE''S FOUNDATION,

KINDNESS AND TRUTH PRECEDE YOUR COUNTENANCE.*
Psalm 89:15

*THOUGH GOD IS OMNIPOTENT,

HIS REIGN IS CHARACTERIZED
BY RIGHTEOUSNESS, JUSTICE,
KINDNESS AND TRUTH (Ibn Ezra).

UNLIKE HUMAN GOVERNMENTS,

WHOSE ETHICAL AND MORAL STANDARDS ARE BASED ON PRAGMATIC CONSIDERATIONS
OF MUTUAL PROTECTION AND SURVIVAL.

GOD''S STANDARDS ARE ABSOLUTE.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:41 AM
69 .  WITH ALL FORMS OF WISDOM DID SHE (THE TORAH) -
BUILD HER HOUSE,*

*WITH WISDOM HAS THE HOLY ONE, BLESSED BE HE,

BUILT THE WORLD (Rashi).

SHE CARVED OUT ITS SEVEN PILLARS.*
Proverbs 9:1

*In Scripture, the number seven is idiomatic for “many” (Ralbag).

*The seven days of Creation
(Talmud, Shabbos 115a).

Another explanation: This refers to the seven books of the Torah

(the book of Numbers is considered to consist of 3 books,

because the two verses in Numbers 10:35-36 are considered as a whole book in itself dividing
what proceeds from what follows).

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:34 AM
70 .  HASHEM MADE ME AS THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY,*
BEFORE HIS DEEDS OF YORE,

I HAVE REIGNED FOR ALL TIME:
FROM THE BEGINNING,

FROM BEFORE THERE WAS THE EARTH.
Proverbs 8:22-23

*THE TORAH WAS THE BLUEPRINT OF THE UNIVERSE
(Bereishis Rabbah 1:2).

GOD CREA-TED THE TORAH BEFORE THE UNIVERSE,

IT IS MANIFEST IN CREAT-ION,
PRESERVES THE WORLD,

AND IS A GUIDE/INSTRUCTION TO ALL MANKIND (Maimonides).

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:32 AM
71 .  IF NOT FOR THE SERVICE OF THE TABERNACLE AND TORAH,
THE FOUNDATIONS OF HEAVEN AND EARTH WOULD NOT -

- HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED (Rashi).
Talmud, Megillah 31a


 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:27 AM
72 .  MOSES ASCENDED TO HEAVEN TO RECEIVE THE TORAH
AND BRING IT DOWN TO EARTH FOR ISRAEL.

Exodus (19:3, 20-25), (Deut 9:7-),

(Ex 24:12-18), (Ex 31:18),

(Ex 32:15-16), (Ex 34:1-4)

MOSES ERECTED THE TABERNACLE,
HE PUT DOWN ITS SOCKETS -

AND EMPLACED ITS PLANKS AND INSER-TED ITS BARS,

AND ERECTED ITS PILLARS.
Exodus 40:18

THE GLORY OF GOD RESTED UPON THE HANDIWORK OF MAN,

IN FULL SIGHT OF EVERY JEWISH MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD.

NOW,THEY WOULD SEE THEIR TABERNACLE ENVELOPED IN HOLINESS, THE TABERNACLE THAT WAS BUILT WITH THEIR GIFTS,

MADE BY THEIR HANDS, ERECTED BY THEIR PROPHET,

MADE POSSIBLE BY THEIR REPENTANCE,

ASSURING THEM THAT GOD''S PRESENCE WOULD FOREVER -
- REMAIN IN THEIR MIDST -

- IF THEY WOULD BUT CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WELCOME.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:25 AM
73 .  WHO (BUT MOSES) ASCENDED TO HEAVEN AND DESCENDED?
WHO ESTABLISHED* ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH?
Proverbs 30:4

*THE TABERNACLE, THROUGH WHOSE ESTABLISHMENT
ALL THE END OF THE EARTH -

- WERE FIRMLY ESTABLISHED.
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:14 AM
74 .  FOR HASHEM’S ARE THE PILLARS OF THE EARTH,
AND UPON THEM HE SET THE WORLD.
1 Samuel 2:8

HE ESTABLISHED THE EARTH UPON ITS FOUNDATIONS,

THAT IT NOT FALTER FOR EVER AND EVER.
Psalm 104:5
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/28/2008 1:10 AM
75 .  Sarah: A deep breath and a prayer
That''s what I did before I opened your comments and prepared myself once again for the worst. And there you were.

Indeed we have been waiting so long for Him, and the patient endurance that He tells us about, tends to wear a little thin occasionally, but my passion for Him and the truth never does, therefore the trampling. Thank you for your understanding, compassion and wisdom.

May the love and peace that only comes from Him surround you today and everyday.
 
Radical   1/27/2008 11:03 PM
76 .  To Radical
As we scramble to get to the Lord first in out zeal, we trample on others. Yes that''s what being passionate about our Lord is. Who is going to stand back when we see our Lord. We have been waiting so long for him, just like the father of the lost son who lifts his garment to be able to run faster to meet his son.

But, when we look up and gaze upon our Lord God in worship of Him, we are all exactly equal in His sight.

Gods greatest desire is that none should perish. And Yeshua gave us the greatest evangelical tool Himself "let them be one even as We are one - that the WORLD may believe and know that You have sent Me."
 
Sarah   1/27/2008 5:26 PM
77 .  To Radical
As we scramble to get to the Lord first in out zeal, we trample on others. Yes that''s what being passionate about our Lord is. Who is going to stand back when we see our Lord. We have been waiting so long for him, just like the father of the lost son who lifts his garment to be able to run faster to meet his son.

But, when we look up and gaze upon our Lord God in worship of Him, we are all exactly equal in His sight.





 
Sarah   1/27/2008 5:23 PM
78 .  David
I found a timely article that I would like to share as I am not very eloquent at expressing myself but I thought this does a great job:

http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=2048

I am getting comfortable in knowing when to dust off my feet and move on. I would like to offer my sincere apology for ranting a little it was somewhat uncalled for. Richard''s comment about a prayer for idiots was entirely uncalled for and is still as unnecessary as before. When he changed it to praying for all to come to know God, that was acceptable. Do you think God accepts a prayer that was done with the wrong heart condition? I don''t. Why would I need that?

God''s words to think about are that His Kingdom is not of this earth.

Love and peace in His name.
 
Radical   1/26/2008 2:40 AM
79 .  Re: Agree to Disagree, cont.
Now I am not opposed to agreeing to disagree with someone who, in my view, does not want to see the opposing argument. However, I just wanted to be sure you felt comfortable agreeing to disagree with people who are going to hell with their master the Antichrist. Do you truly refuse to give proof of your view so that you may save some of the lost souls here, or is it just too difficult to find evidence to support those things which you say are so easy to see that you would rather let us perish than take the time to present actual evidence and continue the debate?
 
David   1/25/2008 5:18 PM
80 .  Re: Agree to Disagree
As far as I can tell, the harshest criticism you have faced on this comment board has been to call you a loser and an idiot. For the most part, people have just been trying to point out other scriptures in the Bible which expand the view of G-d''s character and that of the returning Christ in an attempt to help you see more than the narrow view you have shown you care to look at.

In response, you have called people followers of the Antichrist, deluded by Satan, and twisters of the word of G-d for their own purposes. You have implied they are not able to perceive simple truths (stupid), and have called them "lost souls." You have continued to make blanket statements about circumstances with no evidence to support your point, while others bring up example after example of your error, yet when you are pressed to provide proof rather than rhetoric, you call for a "truce" asking to just agree to disagree.

Now, I am not opposed to agreeing to disagree with someone who, in my view, does not want to
 
David   1/25/2008 5:12 PM
81 .  to:Radical
Do not attempt to place me in any group that ''is in trouble'', for I am confident in the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is my Savior, Lord, and Great High Priest, and am just patiently waiting on the time we[the Body] will be taken to the Bridal Chamber. Once again, Child, ''The Lord rebukes you!'' Yes, you are a child[in one form or another] and have proven it in your posts for maturity is surely lacking. You should appreciate the prayers of a righteous man to help you in your life, I know I do..We are all idiots at times and do boneheaded things, even King David and Solomon were idiots and boneheaded. If you can not take constuctive criticism, maybe you should not dish it out..I am also praying that God will open your understanding to the deeper things in His Word in the Name of Jesus of Nazareth, Amen!
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/25/2008 12:46 AM
82 .  Radical
ISM''s mission statement says "armed struggle" is a Palestinian "right." Israel is an illegal entity that should not exist." Thats their twisted idea of peace!
Rachel Thaler''s parents donated her organs, that saved the life of a young Russian man. Corries parents on the other hand went to Ramallah and received a plaque in her honor from arch terrorist Yasser Arafat!
Just to set the record straight!
God bless Israel! Shalom
 
FRANK   1/24/2008 10:47 PM
83 .  Agree to disagree
Truce?
 
Radical   1/24/2008 10:37 PM
84 .  Radical
Rachel Shabo (murdered with her three sons aged 5, 13 and 16 while at home), Rachel Thaler (16 blown up at a pizzeria in an Israeli shopping mall. she died after an 11-day struggle for life following the Febuary 16, 2002 attack, when a suicide bomber approached a crowd of teenagers and blew himself up.) All these other Rachels died within a few months of Corrie All were deliberately murdered.
Corrie was part of the International solidarity movement (ISM) which is a radical anti Israel group. Because of Corrie and the ISM, the IDF was unable to stop the flow of weapons through these tunnels. Those weapons were later used to kill Israeli children in the town of Sderot and elsewhere. ISM provided cover for British suicide bombers Omar Khan Sharif and Assif Muhammad Hanif, who a few days later blew up Mike''s Place, a Tel Aviv pub, killing three and injuring dozens. Or the ISM''s sheltering in its office of Shadi Sukia, a leading member of Islamic Jihad.
 
FRANK   1/24/2008 10:37 PM
85 .  Radical
Rachel Corie was a young American radical who was killed after jumping in front of a moving Israeli army bulldozer that was attempting to demolish a structure suspected of concealing tunnels used for smuggling weapons. But about the real victims of the intifada? It is ironic to reflect that there have been some real victims of the intifada called Rachel. Have you heard of:
Rachel Levy (17 blown up in a grocery store) Rachel levi (19, shot while waiting for the bus), Rachel Gavish (killed with her husband, son and father while at home celebrating a Passover meal), Rachel Charhi ( blown up while sitting in a Tel Aviv cafe, leaving three young children),
 
FRANK   1/24/2008 10:17 PM
86 .  Re: Richard (Dick)
Is your most recent post to Richard an example of the forgiveness and "turn the other cheek" attitude we are supposed to follow?

You said to him, "You are right, that is no excuse." So what, he has no excuse and is not to be forgiven by you, for certainly in neither of your posts do you declare forgiveness for his affronts to you.
 
David   1/24/2008 9:16 PM
87 .  To radical (anti-Christian, anti-Jew)
No where in any of my post have I used the nick-name dick nor have I ever used this nick-name in life. Just a question: is this your way of cussing me out? Are you using the term for it''s other conotation? I am truly glad that you are able to judge who is and who is not the Lords. As for me I am able to see where people are misguided, but I can not tell if they belong to God... You seem to completely discount the Old Testiment and certain statements made by Jesus for your own purposes. When Paul said all scripture is God breathed, he was speaking of the Old testiment. (Proof) the New Testiment had not been written yet. Matthew was not written until around 70 A.D. Mark around 55 to 60 A.D., Luke around 60 A.D., John Around 90 A.D. Paul died before any of it had been written. Read the whole Book not just the parts that suit you are make you feel good.

Oh, by the way you still have my prayers. I pray daily for those who call themselves Christian but have been misled.
 
Richard   1/24/2008 9:15 PM
88 .  Re: Richard (Dick)
Is your most recent post to Richard an example of the forgiveness and "turn the other cheek" attitude we are supposed to follow?

You said to him, "You are right, that is no excuse." So what, he has no excuse and is not to be forgiven by you, for certainly in neither of your posts do you declare forgiveness for his affronts to you.
 
David   1/24/2008 8:47 PM
89 .  Again to Radical
In Response to one of the things you said to Lisa, I Quote,

"Lisa said,"Sure, lets try to use political means or send missionaries or whatever, but we must know with whom we are dealing. They will not listen to truth and will slaughter anyone who disagrees with them."

Are we not doing the same thing?"

Unequivocally and Absolutely not!!!!!!!!!!

The question, "Are we not doing the same thing?" assumes and implies some sort of agreement which YOU must demonstrate. It is pointless and irresponsible to ask such a question and not back up the intent of your question with some show of supportive evidence.
 
David   1/24/2008 8:40 PM
90 .  To Radical, Cont.
You said "the Jews want to annihilate the Palestinians," show us where this is the case. Give us examples, not more rhetoric.

Israel fulfilled something like 85% of their responsibility with regard to the peace agreements signed under the mediation of President Clinton. They have not fulfilled the rest because the Palestinians have fulfilled 0% of their responsibility.

The Israeli wall, regardless of the few unfortunate incidents with people like Rachel Corrie, was an attempt on Israel''s part to stop the attacks on its people and its sovereignty without actually attacking the Palestinian people. It was an attempt at non-aggressive prevention. No where has Israel stated its desire to annihilate the Palestinians, which is probably why you have not provided evidence to the other. However, daily we can see the Palestinians declaring the imminent destruction of Israel. If you would like I will provide evidence of this, but by your own admission it is truly the case for the Palestinians.
 
David   1/24/2008 8:32 PM
91 .  To Radical, Cont.
So you quickly abandoned the "turn the other cheek" rhetoric and took up the "eye for an eye" rhetoric.

Over and over again you claim that both sides provoke and attack, and yet when I specifically asked you in the light of debate to provide just a couple of examples of Israeli non-provoked aggressive attacks against Palestinians, you have refused to do so. If we cannot even come to an agreement on the definition of terms, we cannot continue to discuss? Do you categorize all military action as unprovoked attack? Is their more that you would consider unprovoked attack on the part of Israelis? It is time for you to leave the rhetoric behind and get down to "brass tacks," as they say. What is your EVIDENCE for your position? It is not enough to say, as you told Joyce "Both are aggressive, Joyce, and I am sure you are able to see this," because obviously not everyone her can see that. Show us.

You said "the Jews want to annihilate the Palestinians," show us where this is the case. Give us ex
 
David   1/24/2008 8:31 PM
92 .  To Radical, Cont.
The last parts of Ezekiel are in the process of being fulfilled as G-d reestablishes his people to their position and defends them. They once were, and still are G-d''s chosen people.

Next, you say that anyone who cannot see that governments are a tool of Satan are delusional. Considering my last posts, it should be obvious to you that I do not see that "simple fact." So you call me delusional and imply my stupidity, and then condemn Richard for calling you an idiot. Is this the love your enemies you were speaking of early on? You said in a much earlier post that since many here were spewing their hatred towards you, they should be ready for some aggressiveness back. Everyone else was talking about defending oneself. It was only you (and CS, Lord help him) who argued that defending oneself was Biblically wrong. Then you proceed to do it yourself, while using the same vitreol you saw others using. So you quickly abandoned the "turn the other cheek" rhetoric and took up the "eye for an eye" rhet
 
David   1/24/2008 8:30 PM
93 .  To Radical
In your last response to me, you said, "I do not adhere to the ''''other'''' Christian views of Israel can do no wrong because they were once God''''s chosen people and must defend themselves. Both sides provoke and attack, David."

Firstly, no one on here is saying that Israel can do no wrong.

Secondly, yes, many people are saying it has a right to defend itself. Some believe that right comes from its position as God''s Chosen, but even without that position, Israel has the right to defend itself.

Thirdly, you amened Ezekiel earlier when he quoted from Ezekiel 20. Granted, this section of Ezekiel is strongly anti-Israel, but don''t forget to read further in the book, G-d comes back to the position He never left, that of favoring the Children of Jacob. The early and mid-parts of Ezekiel were being fulfilled in Ezekiel''s time and then more in the time following Jesus. The last parts of Ezekiel are in the process of being fulfilled as G-d reestablishes his people to their position and
 
David   1/24/2008 8:29 PM
94 .  Richard (Dick)
We do all need prayer. Sincere and genuine prayers not mocking with mean spiritedness. You are right, that is no excuse. Many people like yourselves (Pharisees) ridiculed my Lord for trying to show their error and they would not listen to Him then either.

Got news for you, Richard, THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU and people that you have been "adapted" into. Keep on that high horse of your self righteousness and hatred. See where that gets you....
 
Radical   1/24/2008 8:18 PM
95 .  Thanks Dave
I feel that we all need prayer. Myself more than most, because of my saying what I feel. I know that this is no excuse, but I have never noticed in the Bible Jesus playing nicety-nice with people in error. At least I haven''t called radical a vipor yet.

However, I do have a serious problem with people constantly attacking the people that I feel I have been adapted into, that includes those that feel they should not defend themselves.
 
Richard   1/24/2008 7:02 PM
96 .  Dave-BNBIH
I have not kicked my Lord and Savior in the knee. If that guy is ''one of His'' we are all in trouble and that includes you. I do not need false prayers. Did you read his comment?? Prayers for idiots...this may be acceptable to you kind of people, but it is not to me, and I don''t believe it is to Jesus.

What is the reason I have shown you that I continually try to warp the Word to fit my own mentality?
 
Radical   1/24/2008 6:12 PM
97 .  to:Radical
Here you have shown us the reason that you continually try to warp the Word to fit your own mentality. You really do not have a clue. In your post to Richard(Dick) you have essentially kicked Jesus in the knee and insulted Him by refusing prayers offered by one of His. The Lord rebukes you, child! We all make mistakes and He is faithfull to forgive them,,but first we have to realize we screwed up and take it to Him and confess our sin and repent. Selah!
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/24/2008 5:49 PM
98 .  The Jewish Rabbis
are calling him "Gog" for dividing the land.

hmmm, they must be pretty idiotic also, huh, Richard?

Or maybe it is what you say is what YOU ARE.

Keep following the path of the antichrist...
 
Radical   1/24/2008 5:49 PM
99 .  Richard (Dick)
All things are being revealed for those who are awake and not stuck in their own idealogies. I not only do not want, but do not need your fake prayers.

Did you know that the "Jewish" people have given GWB a scroll:

http://www.templeinstitute.org/megillat-bush.htm
 
Radical   1/24/2008 5:02 PM
100 .  cont: agression
I really don''t know why anyone responds to you. Jesus said don''t throw your pearls to swine. I can pray for you and I pray that God give me His love for you. Although you do make it hard. I sometime wonder if there is a prayer for idiots. Your comments about GWB, though I think he is clueless, show just how stupid a person can be. Is your name by any chance Nancy Polocie (sp?) or Rosie O''Donald?
 
Richard   1/24/2008 12:57 AM
101 .  Agression
Your statement, that both sides provoke and attack, is an example of why most people on this site find you laughable. Talk of blinded eyes! Israel responds when attacked. As evidenced by each of the wars since Israels reemergance as a nation. Isreal gave up the West Bank to try to have some peace. Did it work? No. Then they gave up Gaza for the same reason. Did that work? No, the attacks have increased. They put up a fence to try to keep the suicide bombers out and the world condemns them for trying to protect themselves. They put an embargo on Gaza because of attacks perpretated by the ruling party in that sector. what does the world do? We condemn them.
 
Richard   1/24/2008 12:42 AM
102 .  Radical
Didn''t notice, but part of a verse was cut off: "and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment." Is 63:1-3
 
FRANK   1/24/2008 12:10 AM
103 .  Radical
Yes I''ve heard of Rachel Corey, a poor misguided young woman working for SMS, an anti Israel group that made the foolish mistake of standing in front of an army bulldozer that was destroying a home that was covering an arms smuggling tunnel! You might not believe it Radical, but I pray for you. I pray that God might open your eyes to the truth of His word in the WHOLE BIBLE. Shalom
 
FRANK   1/24/2008 12:02 AM
104 .  Radical
Compare that last verse with "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Rev19:11-16
Cont:
 
FRANK   1/23/2008 11:55 PM
105 .  TO: ALL YA''LL
If it were not so sad it would be hilarious:-0 Ok,,listen up!!!
The Anti-Christ MUST be a person that the Jews WILL accept as MESSIAH! Duh! According to my studies, they[the Jews] would NEVER accept an uncircumcised lout as their MESSIAH. Also, the AC is right now at this time out there in preparation for the appropriate time. He[AC] could step into power tomorrow, and most would kiss his feet, and beg for his favor. He WILL show wonders that will convince even the sceptics and be an orator like none other since Jesus preached in Judea and Samaria. His charisma will be off the charts, and he will appear to be the most benevolent person ever. It is not until the 3.5yr. point in the 7yrs. that is required that one would be able to see that he is evil incarnate, possibly after the mortal wound and the resultant possessing of him by Satah? Selah:-)
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/23/2008 11:46 PM
106 .  Radical
You seem to think that God has cast out Israel, but thats not what the bible teaches. When Jesus returns, He won''t be coming as a lamb, but as a lion and Hes coming to fight for physical Israel. "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced," Zec12:9,10 He won''t be coming to turn the other cheek. "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore art thou red in thy apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winevat? I have trodden the winepress alone and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garm
 
FRANK   1/23/2008 11:41 PM
107 .  to:Radical
If this statement is truthful,,**
I am glad to be able to have a voice of reason to discuss openly the whole truth of the matters of the time in which we live.**,,then you are looking for a voice of reason,yes? Instead, why don''t you look to The Voice of Reason?The Lord said many times,''Come, let us reason together.'' Oh, yeah, sorry, Ooops:-/ That is in the OT, and you can not use that section of Scripture according to your posts. Well, so much for reasoning. Selah -)
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/23/2008 11:35 PM
108 .  Radical
If I understand you correctly, you think we should move into the new testament and forget the old. But it is written "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction in righteousness:" 2Tim3:16 Jesus Himself said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Mt5:17,18
cont:
 
FRANK   1/23/2008 11:20 PM
109 .  Illegal settlements
Please, do not misconstrue that I defend or support either side in this conflict. I do not. I am merely a bystander watching prophecy unfold as the Holy Spirit gives it. Please realize that I am entirely objective. I do not adhere to the ''other'' Christian views of Israel can do no wrong because they were once God''s chosen people and must defend themselves. Both sides provoke and attack, David.

The governments are a tool of satan. God calls it the synagogue of satan and it is what is wreaking havoc on the world. Anyone who cannot see this simple fact surely has the veil of delusion that God has promised He would send in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

I do not agree with the policies of George W. Bush because he is a bad president, but because he is the Son of Perdition. We can talk about this when you are ready to move on.

Peace and love in His Holy Precious Name.
 
Radical   1/23/2008 9:47 PM
110 .  Have you ever heard of Rachel Corey?
David,

You say the building of the fence was another example of Israeli non-aggression. Do you think it still is?

I am glad to be able to have a voice of reason to discuss openly the whole truth of the matters of the time in which we live. Thank you, David.
 
Radical   1/23/2008 9:34 PM
111 .  To: Radical, cont.
Finally, as the attacks became too much not to stand against, Israel was forced to defend itself in the light of either Palestinian impotence, apathy, or support for the attacks. The result to this was a near eradication of Palestinian attacks on Israeli soil, until the international community demanded Israel relent and they succumbed to the demand.

Since then, Palestinian attacks have continued to rise again with the exception of the time period surrounding the building of the fence and wall, which caused a change in Palestinian tactics more than decreasing their attacks. In any case, the building of the fence was another example of Israeli non-aggression.

Please show some examples of Israeli unprovoked aggression.
 
David   1/23/2008 9:27 PM
112 .  To: Radical, cont.
Finally, as the attacks became too much not to stand against, Israel was forced to defend itself in the light of either Palestinian impotence, apathy, or support for the attacks. The result to this was a near eradication of Palestinian attacks on Israeli soil, until the international community demanded Israel relent and they succumbed to the demand.

Since then, Palestinian attacks have continued to rise again with the exception of the time period surrounding the building of the fence and wall, which caused a change in Palestinian tactics more than decreasing their attacks. In any case, the building of the fence was another example of Israeli non-aggression.

Please show some examples of Israeli unprovoked aggression.
 
David   1/23/2008 7:47 PM
113 .  To: Radical
You have been throwing around many accusations about the aggressive and, I assume, inappropriate actions on the part of Israel, and have been supporting your claims simply by indicating these things are obvious. However, it is apparent from the other posts on here that it is not self-apparent. So can you provide some examples of Israeli unprovoked aggression against the Palestinians so that we can get on the same page.

So far I can point out how Israel stopped any attacks against the Palestinians for, I believe, at least a 6 month period earlier this century. This was in response to the peace talks in which the Palestinians requested they be allowed to police their own people. So Israel refrained from any show of force against the Palestinians, even for attacks in Israeli territories. The result was an acceleration of attacks from the Palestinians on both Israeli military and civilian targets while the Palestinian governing agency stood by and did nothing. Fianlly, as the attacks became too muc
 
David   1/23/2008 7:46 PM
114 .  Antichrist, cont.
Perhaps these people are mistaken about ALL of the teachings of Yeshua and the NT because they have focused on studying the Antichrist more than the Christ. This is the only way I can understand that they know exactly what the Antichrist wants to do.
 
David   1/23/2008 7:21 PM
115 .  Antichrist
I see a lot of speculation here as to the identity of the Antichrist. This seems odd to me in that I have never found much specific explanation of what the AC will look like. Primarily, it is indicated that anyone who claims to be, or points to, the Christ will be known not to be so because of what the Christ will be. Yeshua''s return will be evident to all in a very supernatural way, and it will not have to be pointed to by anyone. So if someone comes claiming to be the Christ, you can know he is not, because you would not need his claim to know him if he really were.

I am incredibly disappointed with G. W. Bush for many different reasons than Radical, but at his defense, neither he nor any of his followers have claimed that he is Christ. He has not come with the mantle of the Antichrist, and it is only those who hate him who have made any claim to his ascendancy.

Perhaps these people are mistaken about ALL of the teachings of Yeshua and the NT because they have focused on studying the Ant
 
David   1/23/2008 7:20 PM
116 .  Government, cont.
This is something we are to expect the government to do, and if it does not, it is then working in opposition to the will of G-d, and will be removed. Please learn the difference between how an individual should act and the responsibility of government. Israel, because of its poor counsel from the US, is only moderately performing its function. Because it strikes only at the individual terrorist attacks it gives the impression of revenge. HOWEVER, it is NOT revenge, but is the responsibility of government to protect the people in its care.
 
David   1/23/2008 7:04 PM
117 .  Governments
I think one thing you fail to see, Radical, is that the OT set up a government, the governing of the people of Israel. I would not be surprised if Yeshua''s future government looks exactly like it. No where in the OT is a person given the right to take another person''s eye for the loss of his own eye. HOWEVER, it does demand the local government to look into the matter and if they find the situation true, then the government is to be sure the appropriate justice is meted out. As believers in Yeshua, our hearts should be such as to not seek or desire revenge, but certainly as G-d is a Just G-d, we should likewise love justice. Yeshua made it plain that we as believers must not seek revenge, and certainly not carry it out on our own. HOWEVER, He made no such requirement of government. Paul clarified this as well when he said the government does not bear the sword in vain. He also said the government is G-d''s instrument to insure justice and punishment on the wrongdoer. This is something we are to exp
 
David   1/23/2008 7:03 PM
118 .  He ain''t no antichrist
When the real antichrist hits the scene those who are around will know it. He will be evil incarnate. He will come with smooth and seductive words but he will take over the world and it will be sharia law like you have never seen. Bush is nothing compared to him.
 
Lisa   1/23/2008 6:06 PM
119 .  To Radical cont.
It''s people like you, who do not support Israel, and don''t seem to be upset, that they''re being attacked, but, seem to be really upset about Israel defending themselves, against the Palestinian terrorists. That who are the ones, bringing about the demise of Israel.
 
Joyce W.   1/23/2008 9:52 AM
120 .  To Radical
You say, that we are stuck in the OT and refuse to move forward, which is not true. But, the OT is an important part of the Bible. We need both the OT, and the NT, to get whole picture of the Bible. And why, all this criticism to us, about the fighting, and killing, when all we want is it to stop. But, your precious Palestinian terrorists, aren''t about to stop. So, if they won''t stop, then Israel needs to defend themselves. That''s just common sense, and why God gave us a brain for, to use. Well, not only do you know, what Jesus Christ thinks. You also, seem to know, as God does, the hearts of men, as you have judged our souls. It kind of reminds me, of my comment to you below, where I said, how people put themselves, on the same level of God. And exactly, how are we bringing about, the demise of Israel? It''s people like you, who do not support Israel, and don''t seem to be upset, that they''re being attacked, but, seem to be really upset, about Israel defending themselves, against the Palestinian terroris
 
Joyce W.   1/23/2008 9:38 AM
121 .  Bush is not the antiChrist.....
but I know he seems like it to some people. Do your homework people, the real antichrist hasn''t made the scene yet but it may be sooner than you think. He could already be living and getting educated, etc, etc. We don''t know that. But if he comes in our lifetime there will be no doubt who he is. The scenario just isn''t quite right at the moment.
 
Joyce S   1/23/2008 9:13 AM
122 .  to:Radical
Wow:-)
Very interesting, Hmmmmm -}
Not intending to be rude or anything, but you just ain''t got a clue, do ya? Are you really that daft? By making this statement( about being stuck in the OT and refusing to move forward to your own demise) just proves the point that you really need to gain understanding of the Word that can not be gained with intelligence and study.**Also, Anti-Christ MUST meet certain requirements,,none of which BushyWooshy can claim. Selah:-)
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/23/2008 8:39 AM
123 .  to lisa
I have one question for you. Do you honor the fourth commandment or do you go to church on Sunday?
 
renae   1/23/2008 12:39 AM
124 .  WAKE UP

 
Radical   1/22/2008 9:32 PM
125 .  Kingdom of God is not of this world
Have you ever read that in your Bibles? What do you think that means? I would have thought some of you would have gotten a small clue after the rigamaroll about who was the heir to David''s throne, but no, still refuse to see - like being stuck because it suits your purpose of fighting and killing. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION for killing according to JESUS CHRIST no matter how you lost souls try to spin it.

Christian evangelicals such as yourselves are the ones bringing about the demise of Israel and this also you refuse to see. How blinding is that veil that He sends to people who want to keep believing the lies just as He told us. I understand it, but it makes it no less frustrating.
 
Radical   1/22/2008 9:30 PM
126 .  I''m back!
Interesting comment, Dave. I was just saying the same thing about you guys - about being stuck in the OT and refusing to move forward to your own demise. The antichrist wants you to believe that God cares about the land more than the people and you guys keep following him willingly. Even though He tells us since His death there is no Jew, nor Greek nor Gentile. GET WITH IT for your own sake - not mine.

It will be Nebuchandnezzar. Hands down. Since we are facing the fourth and final antichrist who is like no other, George W. Bush. I know this too will upset your little apple carts, but the time for being nice to the sheeple is past. You people had no problem attacking me for spreading the truth, so you should be prepared to take a little bit of it back. MOVE IN TO THE CURRENT CENTURY and forget the past. Time is getting short.
 
Radical   1/22/2008 9:23 PM
127 .  To: All:-)God Bless -}
Thank you Joyce, and I pray this note finds you and Charles blessed and healty:-) There are many out there that go around saying,''I am a Christian.'' and they are telling the truth:-) But, they are baby Christians and are still needing to be bottle fed by someone. They can not digest the MEAT of the Word, thus they wind up in error a lot of the time. They are saved and love Jesus, but are kinda stuck in a muddy rut and just can not get to going because of the slickness of the rut. These ones errantly think that the Body replaces Israel, But they are only little children and do not take the Father seriously, so will pay for this in the time to come. Bush has been officially warned by Father of his options, so now we just have to wait and pray and see whether he mimicks Cyrus or Nebuchadnezzar. I and my house will serve the Lord, Selah, Shalom, Amen!
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/22/2008 3:31 PM
128 .  Hallelujah!
Maybe Netanyahu can get in there and take over if Olmert''s govt collapses! God Bless his efforts to keep Israel undivided. He told Bush "Jerusalem is ours forever!" I''m praying that this is the beginning of events leading to Christ''s return. Praise The Lord! Let all the people praise His Name!
 
Joyce S   1/22/2008 5:49 AM
129 .  Lisa
Amen sister!!! God bless. Shalom
 
FRANK   1/21/2008 9:58 PM
130 .  cont.
His land to be taken away. I would be careful. Be warned!!!! God is not mocked! Do not touch His land or you will fall into judgment. Read it again. If you are going to talk about being open to the truth then you better obey God''s word. John 9:41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
 
Lisa   1/21/2008 7:11 PM
131 .  To all those who think Israel should
give up land!!! Please read this: Joel 3
God Judges the Nations
1 “For behold, in those days and at that time,When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations They have also divided up My land, 3 They have cast lots for My people, Have given a boy as payment for a harlot, And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink. 4 “ Indeed, what have you to do with Me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the coasts of Philistia? Will you retaliate against Me? But if you retaliate against Me, Swiftly and speedily I will return your retaliation upon your own head

God says that He will judge the nations for dividing up HIS land. He defends Israel and those who want to divide the land are fighting against God. God is the one who is thwarting the peace process because He will not allow Hi
 
Lisa   1/21/2008 7:02 PM
132 .  Doing nothing
Isreal would have been pushed into the sea in 1947 is everyone was like radical. I"m embarrassed for him.His knowledge of Isreal biblical history is sadly lacking. G-ds desire for His people Isreal is what is important.
 
Sheelah   1/21/2008 4:26 PM
133 .  To Dave
Thanks Dave, he does seem, to have a hard time grasping the idea, that the Jews are God''s chosen people, and that we should, and want to support Israel. Hopefully, he''ll realize this one day. God bless you.
 
Joyce W.   1/20/2008 8:42 AM
134 .  Well, Said Joyce!!
Radical, you do not seem to have a grasp of certain facts and concepts that shall exist until the end of the Tribulation, and even then shall survive in the hearts of men for a thousand years and resurface being stirred up by Satan:-) There is a time for peace, and a time for war. The question is not whether you pick up arms or not, but who you support when the war is raging:-} Yahweh is Father and God of Jesus of Nazareth our Savior, Lord, and Great High Priest, so I choose to support Him[even though He does not need my support, Duh:-)] and thus must support His People and His Land. His Word is plain on the decendents of Ismael and Esau, and many will go into the Lake of Fire, but there is a remnant that repent:-) Peace is desired in all things, but peace waits on the One Bringing Peace, and He is waiting on Father to say,''Go!'', Selah, and Amen: )
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/20/2008 6:09 AM
135 .  To Radical
And of course, God doesn''t want anyone to perish. He wants everyone to accept Jesus, as their Lord and Saviour, but if they won''t, then, they''ve made their choice to follow Satan. And if you, really believe, that God feels, that way about, Israel''s enemies, because Israel''s enemies, are God''s enemies. Then you, really should read Ezekiel 38&39, to get a true perspective, of His true feelings, on the subject of Israel''s enemies.
 
Joyce W.   1/20/2008 4:40 AM
136 .  To Radical
I''ll tell you, what I agree with, and that is, God''s side of the story. His side of the story, is the only story, that matters. And whether you like it, or not, God chose the Jews, to be His chosen people. And I''m sorry if, that doesn''t meet to your approval, but, that''s just too bad. That''s why, God is God, He doesn''t ask for yours, or anyone else''s, approval for anything. Sometimes people get the bighead, a little too much, for their own good. They actually put themselves, on the same level as God. Thinking that they know everything, and nobody can tell them any different. And no Radical, I can''t see, that Israel is aggressive. All that, I see is, that Israel is being attacked daily, and has just been barely defending themselves. And I have, never heard, Israel ever threaten to annihilate the Palestinians. And you, can be sure, that if they ever had, it would have been, on all the news. Because the news would make sure, that everybody heard about that. And of course, God doesn''t want anyone to per
 
Joyce W.   1/20/2008 4:22 AM
137 .  To Frank
Thank you, I have enjoyed reading your posts also. I agree, about the Palestinians not being a people, and about Palestine not being a nation. I just can''t understand, a Christian defending the so-called Palestinians. It just doesn''t, make any sense to me. So, I can just imagine, how God must feel about it. And I agree, Radical''s Bible, must be as radical, as he is. God bless you.
 
Joyce W.   1/20/2008 2:38 AM
138 .  It''s in the perspective
weneedavid, It is not necessary for you to apologize on Frank''s behalf as his words and name calling do not hurt, but I appreciate your heart being in the right place.

Choosing sides is a tricky order of things, is it not? Both sides are aggressive whether we can admit it or not. Which is not the case in the scenario you pose when defending yourself or loved ones against an attacker. As I have said before I do not condone or defend either side. People want to be justified for their stance on killing and there just isn''t any, not even in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Both sides provoke continuously. The people could live in peace side by side but the governments will not have that and as always it is the innocents that suffer. It is a tragic situation and will not be put to rest until Jesus'' return.
 
Radical   1/20/2008 12:54 AM
139 .  re radical
First, I apologize on Frank''s behalf for calling you a loser. Evidently, he needs to go back to the basics of God''s mandate that all things that we say and do should be motivated by love not scorn.

Secondly however, I am still going to disagree 100% with you. There are indeed two sides to every story but by now after decades and centuries of Arab/Muslim agression against God''s people, the story has been exhastively already told ad nauseum. It''s time to choose sides. The side of agression or the side of self defense. As I asked you in my previous post, if a stranger were abusing you and your family, would you not protect them? I hope the answer would be yes. Being myself a father of 4, there''s no debate.
 
weneeddavid   1/19/2008 10:29 PM
140 .  Joyce
It''s a pleasure reading your posts. As for this guy radical, he''s a loser! He wouldn''t recognize the truth if it hit him in the face. First of all there is no such people as palestinians there never was a nation called Palestine. It was a name given by the Romans to a territory to humiliate the Jews and was ruled from Damascus. Yasser Arafat was not palestinian! He was born in Cairo Egypt. As for Israel being aggressive I wish they would be. They have the means to put an end to the rockets, but they bend over backwards to appease the west. I don''t think radical has ever been to Israel, but I lived there for six years and I know they want peace. Unfortunately, they will jump on antichrists bandwagon when he offers them peace. The only thing radical knows about Israel is what he hears from the left wing media! I think he must be reading a left wing liberal bible also! God bless and shalom
 
FRANK   1/19/2008 9:30 PM
141 .  One sidedness is dangerous, Joyce
I think even you could agree that there are always two sides to a story. I hope so anyway. Because you are so intent on defending Israel because you believe this is God''s work, you are blinded (as God has said). One man''s terrorist is another man''s freedom fighter. And so the saga continues for both sides. Prophecy is being fulfilled using both sides. Neither is right. Both are aggressive, Joyce, and I am sure you are able to see this.

The Palestinians want to annihilate the Jews and the Jews want to annihilate the Palestinians. There is no other truth to this situation. One is not more right than the other and it is not God''s desire that either side should perish.
 
Radical   1/19/2008 6:25 PM
142 .  To Radical
Since when, is defending yourself wrong? See, this makes no sense at all, how you can say, that Israel, by defending themselves, is trying to dominate? When it''s the Palestinian terrorists, who are the aggressive ones, and who wants to dominate, and to annihilate the Jews. And to me, that''s a strange position, for a Christian to take on all this.
 
Joyce W.   1/19/2008 9:31 AM
143 .  Fighting evil with evil
This is against God''s Holy Word.

Why is it so hard to see that people are advocating the very thing they are fighting against? Muslims with their extreme idealogy such as killing infidels because we have no souls is the same thing that we are doing to them. Two wrongs cannot make a right no matter where the initiation is coming from.

Satan mimics and mocks God in every way he can. While God''s Kingdom is not of this earth people look for it here and Satan provides that to continue deceive people into thinking they are doing God''s work by defending a nation. Israel has a right to exist like any other nation but it has no divine mandate to dominate. It is being used by satan''s synagogue to feebly attempt to thwart Jesus'' return so satan can continue to reign. But that ain''t gonna happen. Come Lord Jesus.
 
Radical   1/19/2008 8:42 AM
144 .  Curse and Judgments
Daniel 9:11All Israel has trans gressed your laws and turned away, refusing to obey you.
Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you.
 
Daniel   1/19/2008 3:50 AM
145 .  Radical
Listen, missionaries do not go out to kill people, but muslims will kill those missionaries since according to their beliefs they are infidels. Israel does not go and try to kill arabs because they do not believe in God. Arabs will kill anyone who does not worship allah. You are arguing against yourself. Since you believe in replacement theology, you think that Israel doesn''t have a right to the land so you think that they should be driven out. You are in error. Replacement theology is unbiblical and it is a lie. The Bible clearly states that Israel belongs to the Jewish people. God has stated over and over again that He would bring them back into the land, which happened in 1948, and that He will bring them to salvation in Christ. If you don''t like that then take up your argument with God, because that is who you are fighting against.
 
Lisa   1/19/2008 1:24 AM
146 .  Offense vs. Defense
Radical, it''s not like Israel is initiating the violence. This is simply a case of protecting oneself. If the palestinians never fired another rocket into Israel, there would be peace and Israel, and history proves me right on this, would never initiate violence against anybody. Please answer this direct question. If someone was attacking and abusing you and your family, would you not do everything in your power to protect them or would you just start kneeling and paraying that God would supernaturally intervene?
 
weneeddavid   1/18/2008 11:40 PM
147 .  It takes two to fight - always has, always will
Lisa said,"Sure, lets try to use political means or send missionaries or whatever, but we must know with whom we are dealing. They will not listen to truth and will slaughter anyone who disagrees with them."

Are we not doing the same thing?
 
Radical   1/18/2008 10:17 PM
148 .  CHRISTIAN SOCIALIST
Yeah, just don''t expose your butt cheeks to them Arab fanatics.
 
Primitive   1/18/2008 9:10 PM
149 .  Radical
You say I sound like the judge and jury. Did you read the scriptures I gave you? Those were God''s words not mine. It clearly states that His enemies are muslims and those who oppose Him. They are followers of "Satan because they follow a false God. The father of lies. God is the one who is the judge and jury. Daniel 7:9-12.
You are misinterpreting God''s word and that is why you are in error. I am simply trying to point that out to you. It is up to you to look at the scriptures yourself and see whether they are true. It is only by opening your heart to the Holy Spirit that you will be open to the truth. I am not attacking you as you seem to think. I have given you some scriptures to consider. Why do you think that the sword is figurative? Psalm 149:6 says "Let the high praises of God be in their mouth,And a two-edged sword in their hand."
 
Lisa   1/18/2008 8:34 PM
150 .  Quote from Lactantius a.d.240-320
Latin rhetorician, Christian apologist, and historian best summarized the response believers should have as they encounter the truth revealed by God''s prophetic Word: "Let us therefore apply ourselves to righteousness, which will alone, as an inseparable companion, lead us to God and while a spirit rules these limbs, let us serve God with unwearied service, let us keep our posts and watches, let us boldly engage with the enemy whom we know, that victorious and triumphant over our conquered adversary, we may obtain from the Lord that reward of valor which He himself has promised." (Divine Institutes 7.27)
 
Lisa   1/18/2008 8:15 PM
151 .  to Lisa
I will be one of those Jesus freaks when the time comes. I would gladly and willingly lay down my life for Him as He did for me. I take no offense to your statement. I called myself that because my views are so different from the "Christians" who post here. nothing more than that. I did not know the name alone would cause difficulty for so many people.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, right? He will be the lamb He was before but He is coming to do battle with the Synagogue of Satan - not the muslims. You sound like you think you are the judge and the jury.

The sword that Jesus told His disciples to carry is figurative because He know how they were going to have to fight to spread the truth. Hmmm, the same as it is today. I know I need my sword AND my armor to come among "Christians" at this site.
 
Radical   1/18/2008 7:48 PM
152 .  Radicals cont.
with God''s enemies. Sure, lets try to use political means or send missionaries or whatever, but we must know with whom we are dealing. They will not listen to truth and will slaughter anyone who disagrees with them. It is only by the supernatural power of God that any are being saved at this time. We cannot sit around and do nothing. Saul was removed from being king because he did not obey God by killing all of the Agagites. Then one day, in the book of Esther, one agagite by the name of Haman rose up and wanted to kill all of the Jews. That is what happens when you try to appease the enemy and disobey God.
 
Lisa   1/18/2008 7:13 PM
153 .  To all those "radicals" out there
You know, I once read a book called "Jesus Freaks". Those who are truly radical for Jesus give their lives for Him. Meaning they took a STAND for Him and got killed for it. I don''t see too many martyrs who got killed just for happening to be somewhere and not fight back. When Jesus came the first time, He came as a lamb. When He comes the second time, He is coming as a Lion. He is coming to judge His enemies, which are the muslims who refuse to hear the truth, the antichrist, and all who follow him and believe a lie. All the nations that are judged by Him in scripture are Muslim. Read Psalm 83. verse 2 says Your enemies. These are God''s enemies. verse 5 says, "They form a confederacy against You." These armies are against God. In Ezekiel 38:3 it says, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. Verse 5 lists Persia, which is Iran, Ethiopia, which is Sudan, and Libya, which are all muslim nations. If we continue to try and make friends with them, then we are making friends wit
 
Lisa   1/18/2008 7:08 PM
154 .  Sooner or later..
Israel is going to have to tell the US eventually, you are either with us or against us...you CANNOT tippy toe around or appease radical Islamist that want to kill you.These are the ideals the west is trying to brainwash Israel with. Bottom line,the west is just plain stupid when it comes to foreign policy with Islamic nations,unfortunantly its going to take a very bitter lesson to learn that.
 
Mark N.   1/18/2008 5:20 PM
155 .  CONCERNS
Yes, while this current government is making all the bad decisions, by the time it is through and another takes charge the damage is liable to already be done. In other words, things are liable to be so aggressive between Israel, Gaza and Lebanon that the IDF will be moved to an offensive the likes of the war in 2006 will not be able to compare.
 
Daniel Moran   1/18/2008 5:13 PM
156 .  Different mandates
I think the debate re being a lamb or a lion arises because it is not understood that the mandate of believers in the Messiah differs greatly from the mandate of a government and by extention, the army of such government. While believers have the mandate of priestly functions i.e. pray, forgive, turn the other cheek, etc.etc., governments have the mandate of a king, to govern and protect, with force as necessary.
 
Navah   1/18/2008 11:05 AM
157 .  Cont. from: ref: there you go Richard
Read it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!(the Bible.)
 
Richard   1/18/2008 7:55 AM
158 .  Bush''s Scroll::Last Warning!
When Mr. Bush receives the scroll that is prepared for him and he reads it, he will have received official warning of the results of defying God''s Word and a plea for him to refuse to do so. We shall have to wait and see if he receives it as from the Lord or just a bunch of nuts..I think he will act on the second thought and totally avoid the first, which is the correct direction to go:-) Selah
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/18/2008 6:21 AM
159 .  I agree with Kent, Patricia, Lisa & Philip
Could''nt say more
 
Shaul   1/18/2008 4:40 AM
160 .  Yeshua the comming Messiah
Blessed be the Holy Almighty One of Yisrael the beloved of the Lord.
Of Himself and his creation he says your thoughts are not my thoughts.
neither your ways my ways, otherwise in righteous anger He would destroy his creation.
Of his Holy Son Yeshua filled without measure of Ruach Hakkodesh(Holy Spirit) empowered to fullwill the Holy Will of Abba.
His Holy Word was made flesh and dwelt amoungst us.
Isaiah 51:7 Hearken unto me,ye that know righteousness,the people in whose heart is my law fear ye not the reproach of men,neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
Isiah 51:8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment,and the worm shall eat them like wool:BUT MY RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE FOR EVER,AND MY SALVATION FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.
Shalom Shalom.
 
Phillip Rozema   1/18/2008 2:55 AM
161 .  Continued
LAND OF GOD, DUH!!!! Persons that do not accept the plain simple fact that humans are not capable of living by the rules that God prefers, and will actually go out of their way to break said rules repeatedly[and I am talking about persons that are truly saved, along with the others] knowing that there is a price to pay in doing so, shows us that said persons obviously DO NOT have proper understanding of the Word and the concepts contained in the Word. One may not convince a person[by human means] that they need a Savior because of their sins, Holy Spirit must do this job for it is personal-internal to each person: and without the acceptance that one is a sinner, then forgiveness can not be appropriated even though it is there for said person does not believe they need Him. We[the human race] are messed up and need fixing, and there is only one fix, Jesus of Nazareth:::PERIOD!!!!
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/18/2008 1:11 AM
162 .  Ain''t Dis Interesting:-)
Once again we see where a person''s mind will go when trying to exist in non-realistic thinking. There is a difference in ''turning the other cheek'' and letting someone rape your daughter while you preach peace, or cut off your son''s hand for a big shiney rock while you ''turn the other cheek'':when you could have taken action to prevent it. These actions are negelect and not at all Scriptural. Since God is always the same and never changes, His ideas and instructions regarding defense of home and family should not have to be continually challenged by pacifists that would allow the Muslimites to murder not just a few, but millions. God gave us a brain to use, not to keep our skull from imploding and He commanded to seek wisdom and knowledge and to hearken to His Word, which NEVER CHANGES, DUH!!! Since the Word NEVER CHANGES, then the rules are the same as 4000yrs ago, thus we are allowed and commanded to take up arms[if need presents itself] and kill persons to protect our family, nation, and the LAND OF GO
 
Dave-BNBIH   1/18/2008 12:52 AM
163 .  Cont. from: ref: there you go Richard
Read it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!(the Bible.)
 
Richard   1/17/2008 11:45 PM
164 .  Ref: there you go Richard
I know that you have been brain washed, but I sure get tired of conspiracy theorists calling themselves Christian. If you believe that 911 was an inside job you probably believe that Israel is the cause for all the things being done to it. You probably also believe in the prosperity message. and the Easter bunny. If Jesus came into your church today and started rebuking it for its teachings, you would probably be like the pharisees and try to do away with him. As I said read the whole Bible. Why does Jesus tell his disciples that they should buy themselves a sword? Why does Jesus say that He came to bring a sword? Why does Jesus say He came to turn father against son, mother against daughter? And the most important question: If we say that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, Why do we say that he has changed? We do this by taking one verse out of all of Jesus''s teachings and make it fit what we as a human believes. As Kevin said Jesus told us to turn the other cheek not roll over and play dead. Re
 
Richard   1/17/2008 11:41 PM
165 .  bush/olmert
As for the story above, someone needs to be put into office who will put a stop to the nonsensical idea of "land for peace". I am most disappointed with Bush''s statements, in particular the "...end to the occupation..."
 
kevin   1/17/2008 11:16 PM
166 .  radical
911 an inside job?
omg you must be a rosie follower.
talk about radical.
All this talk of "...turn the other cheek...", please.
Jesus did not say roll over and play dead until they kill you. He did say, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Yes, what is taking place in the world today is prophesied, but we are not just to lay down and watch.
all it takes for EVIL to prevail is for GOOD men to do nothing.
The killing of innocent women and children is EVIL.
It is also spoken that a day will come when "...evil is called good, and good called evil..."
 
kevin   1/17/2008 11:06 PM
167 .  There you go Richard
Proving my point again. I stand behind Jesus, for Jesus, with Jesus and His precious holy words. Whatever this makes me in your eyes, I cannot change it.

How do you claim to know what Jesus would do. I am a coward because why? I follow Jesus'' teachings - not what I fit them to be for my own righteousness?

Keep believing the lies. 911 was not an inside job, either right?
 
Radical   1/17/2008 10:18 PM
168 .  Weneeddavid
Did I say we should do nothing? Does posting hatred-inspiring messages make you a good Christian because you think this is what God wants you to be doing? Only good can conquer evil. You cannot fight evil with evil which is what most seem to think.

"There is nothing radical about you." Is this not slanderous? I could make immature remarks about your name, but I don''t.

I could get on my high horse and puff myself up with self-proclaimed righteousness by calling for destruction of innocent people on both sides in the name of God, but what good is this doing? Will this stop the evil that is coming on? God will deal with these governments, in one breath they will be destroyed.

So, when Israel bombs/nukes/explodes Gaza you believe that God is using the Nation of Israel to do this in His name? Isn''t this part of the reason the Jewish people didn''t recognize Him the first time because He was a lamb instead of a Lion?
 
Radical   1/17/2008 10:10 PM
169 .  to radical
I am always amazed at people like you. It is especially iratating when I imagine that they live in the USA. Because of your ilk we have about 50% of this country who are pacifist, and due to this we are slowly loosing our freedom here. And now you want to export your pacifism to a country that would be extinct if they didn''t fight back.
It is a matter of taking sides. If Israel does not fight what is going on surrounding them they will be destroyed. So in saying that isreal should not fight, you have taked sides with the most vicious and bloodthursty group of people that have ever walked this planet. What I can''t figure is why we never see the denounciation of the palistenians or arabs by people like you. You are what Jesus would call a hypocrite. You are also no less than a coward. You hide behind The name of Jesus instead of standing for Jesus. I feel sorry for your wife and children. Read the Bible (not just the parts that make it ok for you to be a coward) but all of it.
 
Richard   1/17/2008 9:44 PM
170 .  prophesy
The bible also prophesies that men will lay with men and women with women and that innocent children would be killed (abortion). Should we just sit idly by because it''s written about in scripture or should we speak out about ungodliness and sin. "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke. Radical. There is nothing radical about you. And please don''t turn this over and say that I''m personally attacking you, I''m not. This is to anybody who refuses to call evil "evil" and act accordingly to prevent evil to prevail.
 
weneeddavid   1/17/2008 9:39 PM
171 .  Prophecy
What is taking place in the world right now has been foretold about thousands of years ago. No man or government can change this and even if they could, would we want them to? For myself, I am praying for God''s will to be done and Jesus'' hasty return for then and only then will there be peace. Come Lord Jesus.
 
Radical   1/17/2008 9:21 PM
172 .  Two kinds of Christians
There seem to be two kinds of Christians these days, just as I suspect was the case in Jesus'' day. The Christians that attack, call names, and degrade those with differing opinions are the same ones that would have been yelling ''crucify Him'' because Jesus didn''t fit what they believed. I am ashamed to be called a Christian amongst people such as these.
 
Radical   1/17/2008 8:50 PM
173 .  CS
Wow, I''m glad I''m not your wife. If someone broke into your home and wanted to rape your wife and would kill you to do it you would do nothing to protect her. God has sworn to protect His wife Israel, that she would never cease again to be a nation. He has regathered her from the nations and is going to give her a new heart and she will turn to Him and receive His Son as her Messiah. You, sir, have no concept of God''s heart. If everyone in America was like you there would be no America. Fortunately for Israel, she has a God who will protect her even if everyone on earth rejects and abandons her including her own Prime Minister. Wow!! What a God we serve.
 
Lisa   1/17/2008 8:11 PM
174 .  Answer...
to''tsa''a: Iranian n''ka''ma.
 
patricia wade   1/17/2008 6:51 PM
175 .  Pre-emptive stike on Iran''s nuclear facilities
Lama lo?
 
Proeti Stant   1/17/2008 5:23 PM
176 .  Netanyahu''s Qualifications
One of the effective ways to govern and protect Israel is to use preventitive measures against terrorists...Netanyahu is well known internationally for his expertise, and is well respected - even by the enemies of Israel - for his proven ability to prevent terrorist attacks against his people. He has several books out on the subject of counter-terrorism and anti-terrorism, for those who would like to better understand how a nation can protect itself against Islamic terrorism.
 
patricia wade   1/17/2008 3:49 PM
177 .  Watchmen on the wall - 2
We as Christians are supposed to be the watchmen on the walls for Israel. First and foremost we must stop fighting each other about the issue of Israel and teach other to understand the will of God. The Promised Land belongs to the Jews / 12 tribes of Israel. Anybody else that calls claim to the land is defying The Almighty God of Israel. Secondly bloodshed cannot curb the violence that is coming in from Gaza, what is needed is for all Christians to petition to the Lord God to supply in His Will and His Way, protection for Israel. This I believe He will do in a Supernatural way. We better start praying now. God Bless.
 
Kent   1/17/2008 8:03 AM
178 .  chop em down
It has been very disheartening to watch Olmert over the last two years or so. I find it hard to believe that a more right wing government wouldn''t be better for the people in eretz-Israel. I wait for Adonai''s kingdom.
 
captaindawg   1/17/2008 8:00 AM
179 .  Watchmen on the wall
Isa 62:6 I have set watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who will not always be silent all the day nor all the night you who remember Jehovah, do not be silent.
Isa 62:7 And give Him no rest until He establishes and makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
 
Kent   1/17/2008 7:59 AM
180 .  Amen!
Soon & very soon!.....Yes & amen!
 
Rod   1/17/2008 7:08 AM
181 .  to "anti-radicals"
I agree in most ways with radical. He articulated most points better than I can, but I will say this. It is all of you who take the Bible in bits and pieces, and who try to twist things in it to support your own hate-filled beliefs.
Turn the other cheek cannot be interpreted any other way. I take it further than others because I reject the right to kill someone in self-defence. But that belief is not directly from scriptures.
That "not peace but a sword" verse always comes up. I heard a brilliant refutation of it at one point but I don''t want to garble it, and I don''t believe I have the authority to argue it well enough for you, and it''s not online. Oh well.
I am neither a woman nor a homosexual, by the way. I am man enough to know that compassion isn''t just for women.
 
Christian Socialist   1/17/2008 5:50 AM
182 .  Luke 11
Luke 11:48-52 So you testify that you approve of what your forefathers did they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. Because of this , God in his wisdom said, I will send them prophets and apostles some of whom they will KILL and other they will Persecute.
Therefore THIS GENERATION WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BLOOD OF ALL THE PROPHETS THAT HAVE BEEN SHED since the beginning of the WORD. Yes, this generation will be held responsible for all. (where is the peace in the world from God who says this?)
only if Christ dwells in you and you have come into his rest will you have peace. Christ did not come to bring peace to the world. None of the governments have been true to him and have deceived the entire world using HIS NAME, but falsifying everything about him to all the people. He is coming to reign. There will be no peace on this earth until He reigns in power from on high. He, our KING is COMING. WHAT THE EVENTS UNFOLD. AMEN.
 
Ezekiel   1/17/2008 5:47 AM
183 .  Great news
It''s great news that Olmert''s Gov is falling apart. Maybe Ben can win
 
Shaul   1/17/2008 4:49 AM
184 .  ..can have all knowledge, but the greatest of these is LOVE!

 
BKN   1/17/2008 4:49 AM
185 .  It has nothing to do with being NICER than Jesus!!!
How absolutely arrogant, wretched and blind - and tis what G-d speaks of "THROUGHOUT" His word.

"BLINDNESS" - Jesus spoke of "turning the other cheek", but He also knew that those He was speaking to at the time still had what so many of you Ignorant, Wretched, Arrogant, Blind NumbSkulls are so obviously lacking "RADICAL" - "Common Sense".... read your Bible and not just that you need to fend off your ignorant rants...
Our Almighty G-d had "NATIONS" destroyed "Leave none" He would direct - kill "ALL" Men, Women and Children"!!!! Need I point out the verses????
I find myself "SICKENED" by the arrogance of those "RADICAL" whom always have sooo very much to say from afar - just like your sister "Christian Socialist", yet have no idea what the world is like outside of your wretched little box''s.... dare you call yourself ''Radical for Jesus" you Hypocritical Coward!!!
 
magend   1/17/2008 2:06 AM
186 .  Adam..fell
And obtained the knowledge of good and evil, judging all things by the fleshly mind. Those called to the Most High God are to be filled with the Spirit of God in a new nature, no longer governed by that old system, but led by God''s Spirit. True Wisdom.
The believer is called to something far higher than the scraping about words and how to''s.
 
BKN   1/17/2008 1:06 AM
187 .  from me
and I AM a woman, that''s how I know how our emotions can be...and often we CAN be nicer than Jesus...but Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today & forever, & u r right, vengeance IS HIS & HE will repay!!! And He will fight for His people....His Word says it! It prophecies it! He is the LION of the tribe of Judah! Lions don''t meow!
 
to radical   1/17/2008 1:02 AM
188 .  FROM: ME
Radical did you read & study the verses I wrote re: the whole counsel of G-d, until you study those you can''t just pick & choose scriptures. I used to do that, it can get you in trouble. Please read & study those verses I wrote below. It''s not ME, it''s the Word of God....by the way, are you a woman? Like I said Christianity today has been emasculated. We cannot be nicer than God! I say this lovingly.
 
TO: RADICAL   1/17/2008 12:58 AM
189 .  judging others
Jesus did tell us not to judge,but he also told us to be discerning.To watch lest you be fooled.
 
persuingthelight   1/17/2008 12:13 AM
190 .  Wouldn''t that be great.

 
Andy   1/16/2008 10:59 PM
191 .  Lisa
Me too!!! Amen and shalom
 
FRANK   1/16/2008 10:54 PM
192 .  Radical
Vengence is of the LORD, but throughout history He has used men and nations to carry out his vengence. When Jesus said "Turn the other cheek" He was speaking of the kingdom. We are not yet in the kingdom, but I see it fast approaching! If all christians lived in a bubble as you appear to, no one would oppose evil and the world would be ruled by it! You might not even be permitted to own a bible.
 
FRANK   1/16/2008 10:51 PM
193 .  cont.
No, we must not just kill people for violence sake, but we must know what God''s word says and take action if needed. Israel must defend herself and I for one am going to support her.
 
Lisa   1/16/2008 10:48 PM
194 .  Glorious cont.
Look at verse 2. It says Your enemies. These are not only Israel''s enemies, but they are God''s enemies as well. God is not going to stand by and do nothing and let His enemies win. Let''s also look at Ezekiel 38. This describes a Russian/muslim alliance that will come against Israel. Notice verse 3. It says, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal." God is the one who is against this group. verse 22 says, "And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
 
Lisa   1/16/2008 10:47 PM
195 .  The Glorious Appearing
Hmmm.....One day Jesus Christ himself shall descend from Heaven riding on a white horse and will rescue Israel from all her enemies. They will all be slain by the sword that comes forth out of His mouth. Radical, you need to take the whole counsel of God, not just bits and pieces of it. There is a time for peace and there is a time for war. This is not a time for peace because it is predicated on Israel giving up her land which God definitely forbids in His word!!!! Also the muslims are intent on killing all Jews and destroying them from being a nation. Psalm 83 Look it up if you dare!!!
 
Lisa   1/16/2008 10:35 PM
196 .  Vengence
Vengence is for the Lord and the Lord only, no matter how you try and twist it to fit your idealogy.

Turn the other cheek has no other meaning than turn the other cheek, by the way, weneedavid. I don''t believe it could be used out of context.

Netanyahu is a warhawk - why do you think the Israelis want him in power and Olmert out? They want someone who will go pound their enemies and he will do it. You should be careful what you are praying for.

Peace.
 
Radical   1/16/2008 10:33 PM
197 .  Radical
"Or else how can one enter into a strong man''s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? Mt 12:29 "When a strong man, armed, keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." Lk 11:21 These are also Jesus words and I believe we have the right to defend ourselves as individuals or as a nation! Also "But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid for he beareth not the sword in vain for he is the minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Rm 13:4 The apostle points out that orderly government is part of God''s provision even in a wicked world.
 
FRANK   1/16/2008 10:33 PM
198 .  Amen, Ezekiel

 
Radical   1/16/2008 10:28 PM
199 .  O profane and wicked prince of Israel
Ezekiel 21:25-27 "O profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached it climax. This is what the Sovereign Lord says Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low. A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! It will not be restored until He (Christ) comes to whom it rightfully belongs: to HIM will I give it.
Christ''s blood was shed there and He the King of Kings has the process turning which will soon finish up the prophesy of his return and the King will reign here on earth. Amen.
Ezekiel 22:4 O city that brings on herself doom by shedding blood in her midst (the blood of Christ)and defiles herself by making idols, you have become guilty because of the blood you have shed. You have brought your days to a close, and the end of your years has come.
 
Ezekiel   1/16/2008 9:53 PM
200 .  after all....
even Jesus said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Mt 34
 
weneeddavid   1/16/2008 9:52 PM
201 .  to radical
...Nice people rarely rebuke, judge, confront,accuse or condemn. Nice people have less stress. It seems the only ones that Christians are quick to judge and condemn are fellow believers who judge and condemn the wicked. Go figure.
Radical I challenge you to read all the verses I sent here & do your own study & receive the whole counsel of God. Christians today are nicer than Jesus & that is wrong.
 
me   1/16/2008 9:43 PM
202 .  to radical
even the Father sd the Son is the rock of offense(Isa.8:14,Rom.9:33,1Pet 2:8.Offending unbelievers is Christlike in the deepest sense.Today we are way nicer than God. It is tragic.This spiritual plateau that the church has reached conveniently reduces the chances for confrontation.
 
Me   1/16/2008 9:41 PM
203 .  to radical:
Go to www.enyart.com...Many believers are falsely "nicer than Jesus"...The harsh term hypocrite is used in the gospels 23 times.Christ often insulted the scribes, Pharisees & lawyers. He called the Pharisees "sons of hell"Jesus spoke unkind words unacceptable 2day.Gentiles & sodomites are called "dogs"in the bible.Paul wrote "Let love be w/o hypocrisy.Abhor what is evil"Paul & Jesus called men fools(rom 1:22,Gal: 3:1-3,Mat23:17,19 25:2-8Luke11:40 12:20 when appropriate but never"w/o a cause"Mat.5:22Jesus overthrew the moneychangers in the temple calling them thieves. Radical u need to understand the whole counsel of God, Jesus was not a "woos". He''s the same yesterday, today & forever,there''s a time to love & a time to hate(eccles)"The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty & deceitful man"Ps 5:6.Jesus was offensive.Most people were offended by him.Jesus was rude to the Pharisees but He said that on whom the Rock falls,it will grind him to powder"(Matt 21:44,Luke 20:18even the Father said the Son is the "rock of offe
 
Me   1/16/2008 9:37 PM
204 .  I agree with Joyce
She''s right radical, since you seem to want to take the turn the other cheek out of context and apply it how you will, we''re just doing the same thing. When Netanyahu takes power, we''re expecting you to put your money where your mouth is and accept that there is no authority other than that which God establishes. Don''t get angry.
 
weneeddavid   1/16/2008 9:01 PM
205 .  To Radical
Why, do you consider, Netanyahu a warhawk? Because he just won''t sit back, and let Israel be attacked daily? And he will defend his people, as he is supposed to do, as Prime Minister, if he is elected. And also, it appears, he will not agree to Bush''s demands, to divide Jerusalem. And I, just call that, a man, doing the job he was elected to do.
 
Joyce W.   1/16/2008 8:58 PM
206 .  Lay down your arms
Hammas will kill all JEWISH people
You cant quote scripture to people
who have not the MESSIAH, the
jewish people are fighting to save their land,and their life, The MISSIAH
will step in when the time is right,
Its not that time at this point.
robanvon1928@cox.net
GOD bless
Rob
 
Rob   1/16/2008 8:45 PM
207 .  Does God not use man......
to do his bidding? Or is he sitting on His throne sending an invisible mystic force to act on His behalf. He has chosen to use common people to do His will on this earth. What makes you think that a holy booming voice is going to echo from heaven exclaiming Man, this is my will". Maybe with Moses or Jacob, but since that time, he utilizes man to carry out His will.
 
weneeddavid   1/16/2008 8:41 PM
208 .  Does God not use man......
to do his bidding? Or is he sitting on His throne sending an invisible mystic force to act on His behalf. He has chosen to use common people to do His will on this earth. What makes you think that a holy booming voice is going to echo from heaven exclaiming Man, this is my will". Maybe with Moses or Jacob, but since that time, he utilizes man to carry out His will.
 
weneeddavid   1/16/2008 8:39 PM
209 .  Turn the other cheek
Have you ever heard that saying, weneeddavid? Jesus'' words not mine. Your anger says it all. This is not justified no matter how much you want to try to make it so - it is against His teachings. Slander me or whatever you need to do, it will not change His words that never change. This I know for certain.
 
Radical for Jesus   1/16/2008 8:37 PM
210 .  Netanyahu is a warhawk
Just like Bush, he is a wolf in sheep''s clothing. Are you not placing your faith and trust in the wrong place anytime you are looking for a mortal savior of anything? Jesus is the only one who deserves such an honor. Please quit fooling yourselves. God does not want anyone oppressed on either side much less killed - in His name. Supporting a piece of land or ''the chosen people'' who have been disobedient for thousands of years is false doctrine. Jewish people who accept Jesus are equal to gentile believers under the Arc of the Covenant. Nobody holds any favor over anyone else since His death on the cross. We are now called the Body of Christ.
 
Radical for Jesus   1/16/2008 8:33 PM
211 .  Radical
Let me punch you in the face and then get up and say you forgive me. Then let me punch you in the face again, get up and say that you forgive me. Repeat several times and I''m sure that by the forth or fifth time, you might start taking some DEFENSIVE action. Or better yet, let me threaten and attack your family while you sit idly by watching them get abused, forgiving me and praying for me.
 
weneeddavid   1/16/2008 8:29 PM
212 .  Christians''s battle cry
Did Jesus say to love our neighbor as ourselves? Did Jesus say not to judge? I believe these two messages were loud AND clear. And yet Christians still do not get it. When you call for the destruction of Palestine in support of Israel you are not doing any bidding of righteousness in the Lord''s name, quite the opposite. My heart is saddened by those who believe killing Israelis or Palestinians, or any killing of any believer or any non-believer is what Jesus is now wanting done in His name - no less. Jesus told us that they would forever be a thorn in our side, but He never said it would be acceptable to kill them.

Like it or not, He is their Creator also whether they acknowledge it or not.
 
Radical for Jesus   1/16/2008 8:16 PM
213 .  I told you so..
Its just a matter of time now...
 
Mark N.   1/16/2008 7:41 PM
214 .  Good News?
I''m surprised that Olmert has lasted as long as he has. It should be pretty obvious now to anyone with an ounce of common sense, that giving land for peace is just a farce! Look at what Hammas is doing with their gift of the Gaza strip. It''s certainly nothing to do with peace for land!! Imagine having Judea and Sumaria as a launch platform. Sit tight Israel and do what you know is right - don''t give in to pressure.
 
Les. UK   1/16/2008 7:40 PM
215 .  Thank the Lord!
I hope, and pray, that the Shas Party follows Beiteinu''s lead. And that, Olmerts government collapses, and they oust him, and puts Netanyahu in his place. And hopefully, that would cause a collapse, in Bush''s land for peace deal. God bless Israel.
 
Joyce W.   1/16/2008 7:38 PM


  
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