he was the sacrificial lamb, but this will take place to usher in the anti-christ and his movement. the red heifer has been established, and preparations are being made for the appearing of the lord, not the 1st appearing bur for the ssaints of god to meet him in the air

he was the sacrificial lamb, but this will take place to usher in the anti-christ and his movement. the red heifer has been established, and preparations are being made for the appearing of the lord, not the 1st appearing bur for the ssaints of god to meet him in the air

Change the timeline start date below, and all other dates change respectively. (Gregorian Calendar Dates Shown)



THIS START DATE (?) Dates Based On This Timeline Start Date
Saturday, April 26, 2008 Thursday, June 05, 2008 Sunday, June 15, 2008 Thursday, November 17, 2011 Saturday, December 17, 2011 Thursday, April 30, 2015


40 Days 0 10 Days 1260 Days 1290 Days 2520 Days




Colossians 2:17 Acts 1:9 Acts 2:1-4 Revelation 12:6, 14 Daniel 12:11 Revelation 20:1-3
First Fruits Shadow Cast Jesus Taken To Heaven ''Ascension'' Pentecost Shadow Cast God Marks 12 Apostles God Provides Food, Shelter, And Transportation For The Jews 1260 Days Identifies Abomination Of Desolation Ends With Jesus Returning To Save The Jews Prior To All Being Killed

1 The

Damascus (in Syria) will be destroyed and "It will be a ruinous heap" Isaiah 17:1. This is one of the oldest cities and has never been a ruinous heap, but it is predicted to happen.
Israel is to defeat Iran:
Haman (similar to Ahmadinejad) was promoted to a high position. Esther 3:1
Haman, in his wrath, "sought to destroy the Jews". Esther 3:6
Haman sends letters to all provinces to kill all the Jews. Esther 3:6
Haman builds gallows (nuclear bombs?) to hang Mordecai the Jew. Esther 5:14
Haman is killed by being hanged on the same gallows (nuclear bombs?) that he had built to hang the Jew Mordecai on. Esther 8:7 (this is at a time Haman thinks every thing is going his way. Like Ahmadinejad). Esther 6:6-9 & 7:6-9.
Haman''s house (family) is also killed by hanging on the gallows. Esther 8:7
The King (USA?), grants the Jews, Self protection, "to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish" all those that would assault (kill) them (the Jews), both little ones and women". Esther 8:11
Haman''

I didn''t sign my name on the post I just sent!!

And may God bless and hear the prayers of your heart as well. One day we will see that God preserved all the prayers of the saints, until the time of their fulfillment.

And God blinded the Jews that they see not, that they could hand Yeshua over to be crucified as God had ordained it to be in the Torah.

So by His BLOOD we have atonement of sin.

Catholics are not a Christian religion. Catholicism is a pagan religion who has taken the names of Jesus and Mary to cover their pagan goddess worship. Ignore what the Catholics have done, they do not belong to Jesus Christ.

And God blinded the Jews that they see not, that they could hand Yeshua over to be crucified as God had ordained it to be in the Torah.

So by His BLOOD we have atonement of sin.

Ellie,concerning your post:
(4/10/2008 2:12 PM)
Thank you for the tender heart you have. May G-d hear the prayers of His people & may Israel be protected. Thank you again, may G-d bless you abundantly.
Hannah

Among the 10 commandments there is no other commndment with promise, like the 5th commndment which says:honor thy father and thy mother.The first commandment concerning other gods, is clear.The second, raises no controversies:images are images and idols are idols.In Hebrew the original language of OT there is no Saturday.IT IS SHABATH.Shabath only means to cease from..to rest.The SHABATH IS FOR THE GOOD OF MAN.Why do we argue and think that Shabath should be this or that?I REALIZED THAT IN EXODUS 20 THE SHABATH IS COMMANDED FROM verse 8 to verse 11.I find no other commandment so well explained in details like SHABATH.There is no Sunday.JESUS ROSE AGAIN ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.SO, SHABATH IS THE 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK.

What are you doing????

And God blinded the Jews that they see not, that they could hand Yeshua over to be crucified as God had ordained it to be in the Torah.

So by His BLOOD we have atonement of sin.

If you say you love God, and hate your neighbour, you are a lier. For how can you love God whom you cannot see, and hate your neighbour whom you can see.

So the first commandment is to love God which you cannot do if you do not love your neighbour, which is the second.

I agree with you.

You have had sufficient Scripture to show you your error. I am not here for vain arguments. Your blood is not on my hands. The conversation is over.

You have had sufficient Scripture to show you your error. I am not here for vain arguments. Your blood is not on my hands. The conversation is over.

You have had sufficient Scripture to show you your error. I am not here for vain arguments. Your blood is not on my hands. The conversation is over.

Ive been studying the word grace in the Bible. Romans is the book that talks most about it. This one verse when Paul is talking about grace says it all. Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. When you break one of the commandments it is a sin thats all there is to it. We that love God should try our hardest to live by them. I know one thing if we do not obey Him He will ask us this question. Luk 6:46 "But why do you call Me ''Lord, Lord,'' and not do the things which I say?

In your post #70 at 9:49 you said that we must obey YAHWEH for grace..Our Savior ( Yahshua, Yeshua, Jesus) gaves us that..Its because of what he did, that we will not die..While I believe with all my heart that we are to obey YAHWEH and follow HIS commandments, that just following them will not save us..Our sins are way to great..It took our Savior to do what he did to save us...When we are saved we strive to follow YAHWEH''s Commandments because we love HIM...And we want to please HIM...HE is our father

Hi David, am doing okay. I will respond on Israel cuts fuel supplies, as this page is getting full and will soon pass off the screen!
God bless in Christ

concerning your post 4/10/2008 4:43 AM I have a question for you. Do you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ by obeying Him and His Word? You see believing in Him does not just mean that you believe He exists. It means you believe in Him and what He teaches us. Ecc 12:13 Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. Please Please cease from doing this. Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. Instead obey the commandments of God please!!!!

Tho the Bible lists only 2 things Adam was told to do, tend the garden and be fruitful , HaShem would have told him all the things that He required of him in order to live before a holy God.
These commandments would have been continued on from father to son for generations-until it all became corrupted by the worship of the sun,
moon, stars and planets at Babylon. Thus the Tower of Babel. HaShem DID NOT wait till Sinai to give His commandments, but to solidify them among the nation He was creating, because they had been corrupted by pagans and forgotten by the Jews because of their years of bondage.

And these are just a very few out of more then 100. Psalms 78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: 111:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever. 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments. 119:21 Thou hast rebuked the proud [that are] cursed, which do err from thy commandments. 86 All thy commandments [are] faithful: they persecute me wrongfully help thou me. 115 Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God. AMEN

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

What I am doing is trying to keep the Commandments NOT the Law. It is written John 14:15 If you love Me keep My Commandments.I love Him with all my heart and I am trying my hardest to do what He says.A few of us have been showing clear cut Bible verses you choose to ignore. Here is another one. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them it is he that loves Me: and he that loves Me shall be loved of My Father and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

It is no degragation to call YHVH by the name Yah. It is used at least 4 times in Jewish poetry in my NKJ Bible and the Hebrew Tenach by Artscroll. Psm.68:4 Is.12:2 Is.26:4 and Is. 38:11. Also used in the Siddur (prayer book) Al Hakol prayer where Psm. 68:4 is part of that prayer. YHVH stand for He who was, and is, and will always be.

Amen to that Diana. We never know where the seed falls.

That is true Sarah..I was wondering, I know for a while when Rebekah was posting a lot of confusion went on..And if Frank did indeed help someone to come our Savior I think that is awesome !!

This is an open forum. Not everybody that reads here posts here. Not everybody that comes here knows our Lord and savior. As a body of believers I do think one has to keep this in mind. Frank knows exactly what I am talking about. I wish to bless him though. Perhaps he does not know what he is doing.

Well Sarah, you are the one who said it..Just wondering if I missed something in the postings below..Can not figure out who you are refering to as being lost..

You tell me?

Sarah learn some manners! You always have a way of jumping in the middle of someones post! You had already published that! Maybe you don''''t know what (cont) means - It means C O N T I N U E D!
Shalom FRANK 4/9/2008 3:21 PM

FRANK 4/9/2008 2:56 PM
Sarah 4/9/2008 2:57 PM
Sarah 4/9/2008 3:07 PM
FRANK 4/9/2008 3:15 PM
FRANK 4/9/2008 3:21 PM
You may see that we happened to be posting at the same time.
The flood of posts from Rebekah have been removed that were posted to drown out the mention of Yeshuas blood, as she always does.
But you be blessed brother.
Shalom

who is lost?

May God bless you richly my dear brother.
You are doing a good job bringing in the lost for Christ. Keep it up.

Friends, Hannah has suggested we spend time in Prayer and Fasting for Israel. She is seeing the Greater Need at this hour.
May God give us all such gentle reminders of the urgency of prayer for Israel and for united hearts in our Savior and Lord.
Ellie

You are right about YAHWEH''s name and if it makes you feel better than I will call our Savior Yeshua instead of Yahshua..I have no problem with that : ) ..He is our Savior..

God''s personal name is YHVH not Yah. Today no one knows how it is pronounced. To call Him Yah is like calling William Bill, or Frederic Fred! And yes the word Jesus does appear in my English Bible, in my Hebrew Bible its Yeshua, of course in Hebrew letters not English. Yeshua was translated to Iésous in Greek and then to Jesus in late Latin. Like Yaacov translates to Jacques in French and Jacob or James in English!
Shalom

TO BE SAVED, Acts 16:30. VERSE 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house . Put away your self righteous works, of any kind, under any label, they are not acceptable to God. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Paul didn''t start preaching how to keep the 10 commandments to the jailer for Salvation. He preached Belief in the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Blood atonement for sin, and His Resurrected life.

I didn''t say I didn''t believe in the law, or the 10 commandments, which are part of the law, Deut 4:13. You clearly are trying to keep the law for salvation. Your continual misuse of Scripture, and your statement in 4/09/08, 10:42 p.m., shows me that. Those who are truly saved bring forth good works because of the Faith that saved them. They do this after they are saved, not for salvation. This verse isn''t talking about a works salvation. Once again, there is much more implied in keeping God''s commandments than just the 10 commandments.

I am so very glad that My Lord has made me into a Commandment keeper person. I do have a question though. If you do not believe in the Law or the Commandments just what Law is written on your heart?

This verse I think should make one wonder..If the commandments were done away with, than why would the beast make war with those that keep them?

Revelation 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua.

Its amazing really..All I did was post was our Savior said...The way I see it, if people want to think that YAH''s 10 commandments have been done away with, thats fine..But as for me, I will always state that they have been there since HE put them there and will always be in our hearts..Yes, we will sin but its thru the grace of our Savior that we will not die..We must strive everyday NOT to sin..Our Savior''s death does not give us "freedom" to sin...Even to the last chapter in HIS WORD it states..Keep the commandments..Why is that I wonder?? If they were done away with..Makes no sense to me..I would think that our Savior would make sure that we knew that YAH''s commandments were done away with if they are not in effect still..Don''t you?

Thankyou very much for helping try to tell these people truth instead of fables. Im convinced it is a lost cause. They have had the fables preached to them so long they cannot endure sound doctrine. By the way people this happens to be in the New Testament. And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Hello Frank: How are you brother ? These 10 commandments people have no idea what it means to keep the commandments in Jesus Christ, nor that those commandments entail much more than the 10 commandments. If the law was written in their hearts they would realize that. Their own words condemn them. Romans 11:6 And if by Grace, then it is no more of works otherwise Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more Grace, otherwise work is no more work. Read, " the lords" posting of 4/9/08, 10:42 p.m., he is attempting a works type of salvation, and also those like him. Now read Deut 4:13, And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even Ten Commandments, and He wrote them upon two tables of stone. All of this was done at Mt Sinai, under the Mosiac law. God Bless, David

Hello everyone, it seems like everyone here loves G-d, although we may have our differences I wondered if perhaps we all could stay off our computers for 24 hours and fast & pray for Israel as it seems (again) like there is a possibility for war. Thank you.

Matthew 7:21-23:

"Not everyone who says to Me, ''Lord, Lord,'' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ''Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'' And then I will declare to them, ''I never knew you depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!''"

"I would not have come to know sin except through the Law for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, ‘You shall not covet’" (Romans 7:7).

I John 2:3-4):

"And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, ‘I have come to know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him."

Hello Ezekiel: More and more these 10 commandments people sound like the Judaizers that Paul contended with when he wrote to the Galatians. The 10 commandments are part of the law, don''t let anyone ever tell you different. There is far more to Chrisiianity than the 10 commandments. Christians are to obey even all the just laws of the government they live under. They do that because the law, under Grace is written in their heart. The spirit that is driving them to promote the law, and bring others in bondage to it is not the Spirit of Truth. You were right about being under the law is death, it can never bring eternal life. Grace and Mercy only comes through Jesus Christ, freely without the works of the law. In Him there is neither Greek, nor Jew, bond, or free. God resist the proud but gives Grace to the humble. Shalom

Read all of Gal: 4:21. Paul continued in Gal: 5:1 ("Stand fast wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.") Now you Believers in Christ, don''t let anyone yoke you to the Law again! That is just like the Pharises who despised Christ, and continually touted the Law over His Annointed Head! When He sets one free from the Law, He or She is free indeed! Just go to the Bible Friends.

Gal: 4:21 tell me,
ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? Read the rest of Gal: chp 4, and see that the child of the bondwoman, Ishmael was of flesh, but Sarah''s son, Isaac , was the son of the promise. A picture of two covenants. Con''t

and Not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday. The Sabbath is part of OT Law, and Christians are FREE from the bondage of law! Gal: 4:1-26, Rom: 6:14. WE are not under Mosiac Law.
Paul sums it up in Rom:14:5 "One man considers one day more sacred than another another man considers every day alike. We should worship God every day. Con''t

The illustration was meant to show that our obedience to the Commandments Jesus gave are very difficult. We are creatures of "feelings'' and "emotions "that arent always the source to follow. When we obey God 1st in the commandments to love , we see our own unworthiness of His Grace.

You will recieve that Grace your talking about IF you do your best to OBEY His Commandments. Yes the Law is done away with NOT His Commandments.They ARE NOT burdensome. The Law was.

The only one who was perfect in the flesh was My Lord Jesus Christ. Obeying the Commandments has nothing to do with obeying the Law. The Commandments are just that,Commands not Law.Jesus did away with the Law NOT the Commandments. He Himself said whoever breaks one of them breaks them ALL. All parents have commands for there children. Do you expect your children to obey you? Our Father in Heaven expects His children to obey Him too.

"For as many are of the works of the law are under the curse for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident for, the just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith, but, if The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." (Gal 3:6-14) "For by grace are ye saved, through faith and that not of yourselves, it is THE GIFT OF GOD- Not of works, lest any man should boast."
As I said before, you work out your salvation by works, and I will rest in the gift of God which can not be earned or bought - HIS GRACE!
Shalom

Apology excepted. Now I would like to apologize to you too. Its just that when the Holy Spirit starts teaching you the truth it makes you so mad that people think the way they do.This verse describes perfectly what is going on. 2 Ti.4:3

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears. So it should not make me so mad that this has happened but it does. We should never ever think we know it all when it comes to Gods Word. Only the Holy Spirit can teach truth not man.

I don''t know what Bible you are reading, but mine says:
"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal 3:2,3) "Even as Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Know ye therefore, that they who are of faith, the same are the sons of Abraham. And the scripture, forseeing that God would justify the Gentiles through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then, they who are of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
(cont)

Believe me I know when the sabbath is. It is celebrated by all of Gods people not just the Jews. If you are His you should know this. It is one of the Commandments we are Commanded to obey!!

Sorry, I live in France and I took "The Lords" to mean you were saying your group was "The Lords", so when I said you are not Lords, I meant it in that vein. It would be so much easier if people used their given names. No confusion then. So, I wasn''t saying you are Satans and I sincerely hope that is the case!
Shalom

Does not give away free grace. We HAVE to OBEY Him for that.Do you know what happened to Gods people when they did not obey Him? Satan is decieving many just like he did Eve saying you will surely not die. Frank you surely will die if you do not obey Him!!

The Commandments are NOT the Law.They are a COMMAND from Our Father in Heaven. They are NOT burdensome. They are NOT hard to obey.I will keep this up until My Lord comes again unless He tells me to stop.

I never said the day was changed and even commented to you on another post that you said "GOOD REPLY"! The Shabbat commences Friday evening with the appearing of the first star visible, and ends Saturday evening! It is celebrated by Jews around the world as it should be! Now don''t try to force your convictions on anyone else! If you fail in one point of the law, you are guilty of all the law! You keep your law, and I will live by God''s GRACE!

at sunset on Saturday night? Hence it would be dark.

They did not change the Sabbath in the new testament. It is written God is not the author of confusion. If it was changed there would of been much talk about it in the Bible.

Did you know that each year the passover falls on a different day of the week? Did you know that Jesus died on the passover? Did you know that the disciples only broke bread on the passover like the Lord commanded them to do? 1 cor 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be NO gatherings when I come. Do you know what NO means? One more thing. All things will not be made new until The Lord comes and makes them new.

If you do not remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy you are breaking one of the commandments.Our continual sabbath rest will not come until the Lord comes to reign.Right now you can not pick or choose which day you would like to keep. God chose the seventh day of the week. If we truly walk with God we obey Him.

Yes, G-d looks at our heart but if he has commanded us us do something, don''t we do it because we love Him? Your post on # 52 (about the marriage)we are obedient because we love Him. Y''shua & the Father were one, they agreed in everything. How can 2 walk together unless they are agreed? Amos 3:3

"The Catholic church.. by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday"The Catholic Mirror,
!.Is Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible & the 10 commandments?
I answer yes.
2. Is Sunday the first day of the week & did the Church change the 7th day- Saturday-for Sunday the first day?
I answer yes.
3. did Christ change the day?
I answer no!!! Faithfully yours, J. Cardinal Gibbons -Gibbons autographed letter

Gentile believers worship on Sunday simply because Christ resurrected on this 1st day of the week.(yes, the early church did also in the NT.)
PAY ATTENTION: Jews both Orthodox and Messianic follow all the Jewish Holy Days, and the Sabbath (Saturday). I can''t understand the reason for this discussion. Any Jew would understand this! Get on with the important things! God looks on your heart, man looks on the outward appearance!

Roman Catholic confessions about Sunday
The Cathechismus Romanus was commanded by the Council of Trent & pub. by the Vatican Press, by order of Pope Pius V in 1566. This catechism for priests says:"it pleased the church of God, that the religious celebration of the Sabbath day should be transferred to the Lord''s day."- Catechism of the Council of Trent(Donovan''s translation 1867) part 3, chap 4,p 345. the same, in slightly different wording, is in the McHugh& Callen translation(1937)ed)p402. Ques.-how prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts & holy days? Ans." By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, & breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church."-Henry Tuberville, An Abridgement of the Christian Doctrine (1833 approbation), p.58(same statement in Manual of christian Doctine(ed by Daniel Ferris(1916 ed.) p.67

1Cor. 16:1-2 also does NOT mean Sunday in the way the church teaches. Sunday was the first day of the work week and as wages were paid daily, they were to set aside out of their first earnings, money for the collection when Paul came. God does not change - the church keeps Sunday because the catholic church commanded it and made the day of worship Sunday - for their Sun god.
The Reformation just never went far enough to divorce itself from this paganism.

Acts 20:7 does NOT mean Sunday. Notice "day" is in italics, should read Now on the first of the week. This was Havdalah, the closing ceremony to say goodbye to the Sabbath. It was the custom to gather together at the close of the Sabbath for a meal. The clue is the many lamps in verse 8. Would lamps be needed if it was broad daylight? The lamps would be lit from the Havdalah candle before it was extinguished. The man fell asleep and fell out window because the fellowship continued throughout the night. Cont''d

I am enjoying your posts! God bless you in your witness!

Sarah learn some manners! You always have a way of jumping in the middle of someones post! You had already published that! Maybe you don''t know what (cont) means - It means C O N T I N U E D!
Shalom

Now, concerning the Shabbat.
Believers in the Risen Lord met on Sunday from the very beginning. Although the disciples went into the synagogue on the Saturday Sabbath to preach the gospel, it was on the "first day of the week (Sunday), when the disciples came together to break bread (i.e., for comm )"
"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them," (Acts 20:7) It was also the first day of the week that they had the "collection for the saints" (1 Cor 16:1,2), further evidence of when they came together to worship the Lord. We meet on Sunday for the same reason: it is the day Christ rose as the firstborn from the dead (Col 1:18), the "last Adam" (1 Cor 15:45), the progenitor of a new race of born-again believers. The Sabbath was the day God rested from creating this temporal universe. We are in a new eternal cre8tion where "all things are become new" (2 Cor 5:17). Our rest is Christ (Heb 3,4) not the Sabbath.
Hope this shed some light!

Yeshua became a curse for us so that we might be set free. How? He took on Him all our sins. Yes, He did have sin, OUR sin, that He took away into the wilderness and left it there, as the escape goat that was the foreshadowing of what Yeshua would do for us. The High Priest transferred all the sins and iniquities and transgressions of the people of Israel onto the head of the goat, and then led the goat into the wilderness, to dispose of the sins.

So it was right that Yeshua should hand on a gallows, just as it was foretold in Deut, for that was the plan of God.

Although it seems that I have said the same as you have, I haven''''''''t. There is a subtle difference that makes a complete difference. Let me explain:
Yeshua HAD to die on the cross. For that to happen, the Jews could not know who He was. But a remnant had to know who He was to continue with the Flame of Light. The Jews were not punished by blindness BECAUSE OF rebellion. But they WERE punished because of rebellion. Thats the Jewish understanding of paradoxes, as with the ashes of the red heifer.
The high priest had to be pure to put the ashes into the water that would be used to cleanse the impure, but would himself become impure in the process of preparing the water with the ashes.
In Jewish law there is also the aspect of precedence. What comes first. The high priest HAD to be pure to perform the duty of making the water. The Jews HAD to be blinded to be able to hand Yeshua over to be crucified.

Hope it makes sense.
Blessings

Concerning the Passover, God said to all Israel, "Ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever...to thee and to thy sons for ever" (Ex 12:14,24). Thats a command to all Jews, saved or unsaved. The reason is vital: this offers present proof that those keeping the Passover are descended from the slaves in Egypt, who were freed by the death of the lamb and were led en masse into the Promised Land (12:26,27) This forever settles any controversy over so-called "Palestine"! The Passover is a testimony that those keeping it are descended from those miraculously delivered from Egypt (Ex 12:26,27) and that the land belongs to them and their heirs for ever! I would encourage every Jew to keep this feast and remember what God did for their Fathers!
(Cont)

Although it seems that I have said the same as you have, I haven''''t. There is a subtle difference that makes a complete difference. Let me explain:
Yeshua HAD to die on the cross. For that to happen, the Jews could not know who He was. But a remnant had to know who He was to continue with the Flame of Light. The Jews were not punished by blindness BECAUSE OF rebellion. But they WERE punished because of rebellion. Thats the Jewish understanding of paradoxes, as with the ashes of the red heifer.
The high priest had to be pure to put the ashes into the water that would be used to cleanse the impure, but would himself become impure in the process of preparing the water with the ashes.
In Jewish law there is also the aspect of precedence What comes first. The high priest HAD to be pure to perform the duty of making the water. The Jews HAD to be blinded to be able to hand Yeshua over to be crucified.

Hope it makes sense.
Blessings

Pagans are those not called by God. And the point is not to let others judge you for what your understand in your new understanding of what Christ did for those who have been called. We start out on milk and these people were on milk. We all have many diferent opinions on some things, but we need to be excepting of each others calling and discuss with knowledge we have without getting sinful in it.

that the 10 commandments are done away with, I live them through faith by the Gift of the Holy Spirit in me. Jesus has become my Sabbath rest for me....I have entered into His rest as Heb 4 says because I do what the scriptures say, as long as it is called Today, listen to HIs voice daily and live in Him completely. Your keeping the Sabbath is fine as long as your also daily in Him being led by His spirit and then you have entered into HIS REST as this Command is given to us.
Peace be to you both. Shalom

if you are under the Law and not Grace when you die?

Thanks friend.

You are so very correct..YAH never changes, he would not change HIS 10 commandments..They are the same now as they were when we wrote them on the stone and in our hearts..Man has changed the days..Not YAHWEH

And defiled it with the Easter bunny

His Commandments are His Command to us, not the Law. Do you not know what command means? Believe me David I do love my neighbor as myself. I Love the Lord my God with all my heart and soul and mind. That right there is the greatest commandment. 2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. When you have the right spirit you are taught these things by that spirit. By obeying His commandments you are not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh.

Yes let us strive to enter that rest by obeying our Father in Heaven. This verse tells us how to do that. 2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. Amen. Shall we now all try to do just that? Or shall we keep decieving and being decieved?

Deuteronomy 4:13 And He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even "ten commandments" and He wrote them upon two tables of stone. Don''t let anyone ever tell you that the ten commandments given on Mount Sinai are not part of the law of Moses. How can you love God whom you have not seen, and not love your brother whom you have seen ? Love thy neighbor as thyself can not be stressed enough, and fulfills the law and the prophets. Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Verse 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

of Yeshua reigning on the earth in Zion. Which will be coming soon.

If Torah & sacrifices were done away with by Yeshua''s death, WHY did the Temple & its function go on for another 40 yrs.???? Acts 15:19-21 gives what is required for the newly converted, goes on to say that they will learn the Torah each Sabbath as it is taught. Acts 21:19-21 shows us
believing Jews zealous for the Torah, as vs.21-25 show Paul & 4 men coming out of their Nazarite vow. He
is to "pay their expenses", which means buy the animals that they will need to sacrifice. Guess Paul didn''t believe the Torah & sacrifices died with Yeshua. Ponder these things.

Your interpretation of Col.2:16-17 is off base. Written to pagan converts warning them NOT to let other pagans judge them for keeping kosher, feasts, new moons NOT for believers to REJECT the commandments of HaShem! Your ref. to Acts 15:28-29 needs to go back further to Acts 15:19-21 where the newly converted will hear the Torah being read each Sabbath. These were Gentiles, who did not go fully into becoming Jewish, but wanted to obey the God of Israel.

keeping the Sabbath. I simply gave you scriptures in the book of Hebrews that talk about what is required of us in the New Covenant. The Sabbath is fine to keep, we have to keep all 7 days now in order to enter God''s rest. The verses I quoted tell that. Same as with Adultery, before the new covenant it was the physical act it''s self, now if we even carry the thought in our minds we are guilty. It''s these changes that have intensified not be come weaker. Peace my friend.

together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us come together to encourage one another, as we see the DAy approaching. 26) If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of Judgment and of raging fire, that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the Law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of 2 or more witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Sone of God underfoot, who has treated the blood of this New Covenant as unholy that has sancitified Him, and who has insulted the Spirit of Grace? 8:7) For if there had been nothing wrong with that 1st Covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8:13 By calling this covenant New, he has made the first Obsolete, and what is Obsolete will soon disappear.
I look forward to any questions you have about what I''''ve posted for you and anyone else who may have a question. This i

together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us come together to encourage one another, as we see the DAy approaching. 26) If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of Judgment and of raging fire, that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the Law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of 2 or more witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Sone of God underfoot, who has treated the blood of this New Covenant as unholy that has sancitified Him, and who has insulted the Spirit of Grace? 8:7) For if there had been nothing wrong with that 1st Covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8:13 By calling this covenant New, he has made the first Obsolete, and what is Obsolete will soon disappear.
I look forward to any questions you have about what I''''ve posted for you and anyone else who may have a question. This i

spoken about the 7th day in these words: "And on the 7th day God rested from all His work." And again in the passage above He says, "They shall never Enter MY REST." It still remains that some will Enter into that Rest and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not enter God''''s rest, because of their disobediance. Therefore, God agains SET A CERTAIN DAY, (no longer the Sabbath) calling it TODAY (7days a week we are under) 8) For if Joshua could have given them Rest, God would not have spoken later about ANOTHER DAY. There remains then a Sabbath-REST for the people of God, Let us THEREFORE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO ENTER THAT REST. So that no one will FALL by following the Israelites (their) example of disobediance. next post

consider just to write a book?

Yeshua is our Passover.He is the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of world.Why different dates and different names for PASSOVER?To say Easter is it not a sign of anti-semitism? Pesach is the original name for PASSOVER.Is not YESHUA our PASSOVER AND OUR LAMB?Is not Yeshua the Messiah of Israel?He is of course.Let us celebrate the Passover(pesach) with Israel and the Jews people.

I''m not going to quote scriptures, but I will say this you are using the Law in matters that Grace exceeds.
If we obey the Law, without love we will have hardness in our hearts. But, if we Love as God loves, we will have mercy. Also, I do not follow your "sages". I follow the Son of God,Who fulfilled all the Law.

Ok I do not want to sound harsh here but there is something you should know.I will listen to my Lord when it comes to the sabbath not man. If you are going to try to find reasons why not to keep the sabbath please dont even bother.My Lord is the Lord of my life and I will do as He says.

and read the postings to Diana I posted. It will give you more understanding in what I understand. Because many believers on the other end, Law done away with, are in error some also. Because the Law must be upheld through faith. The Sabbath I will come back in a clear meaning for you in why I believe what I do... enjoy speaking with you. Shalom

be the foundation to the need to continue in under the scriptures you quoted. My being in a Sabbath keeping Church, which I loved for 14 yrs gave these same scriptures for understanding and they are very powerful the way they are brought together. So, I understand your heart is in this matter. Let me take some time today on this area to pull it together in short form and make it as consice as possible this issue of the Sabbath which is in scriptures that clearify this issue. Shalom my friend. It''ll be later today.

The REAL Messiah had to come, be killed BEFORE the destruction of the Temple according to Daniel 9: 26. Nobody but Y''shua fits. However the church has gentilized Him so that the Jews down through the centuries have had trouble recognizing Him. If Joseph''s own brothers could not recognize him after 22 yrs given Joseph''s position and Egyptian (worldly) appearance, it is no wonder that most Jewish people have trouble recognizing Y''shua (Jesus) due to the way the world portrays Him.

You have said love your neighbor as yourself so many times that I think you have forgotten the first and most important commandment. Love the Lord your God with all your Heart not your neighbor.

Yes, Thank you. I understand what you are saying

Oh how true, you hit the nail on the head. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tommorrow. Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath. Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5. I will forever worship Him on His day and not mans.

The 10 commandments point out what sin is to us. It is through our FAITH in Christ that we uphold the Law given to us.Rm 3:31 We are to believe in God as Abraham did and it was credited to him as righteousness. 4:2) Belief comes from the heart, a sincere fear of the Living God and honor and worship of Him who has the power to destroy us who refuse Him worship from OUR HEARTS not the physical acts of theLAW, like helping our neighbor from out of love for them, not to help them with a bad attitude becasue it is required of us under the Law and it is a thorn in our side to yeild and help them.Yet, it is clear that the Law describes what sin is. This is what it is all about...the heart being changed and it being done in Love which the Spirit imparts to us because it is God in us. And if we love this feeling of true love from God let us extend it to Him in Worship living everyday for Him through His spirit gifted unto us. Amen. Our King is coming and we are going before Him to give account of our actions and

Let me put this another way. Law and command mean two totally different things. A law is a law a command is a command. David in fact we have a command from our Father in Heaven that is the fourth commandment and it says to remember the sabbath and to keep it holy.Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5.I do not keep the sabbath to be saved I keep it because I am commanded to do so. Jesus is Lord and He says whosoever breaks one of these commandments breaks them all. He also says that most worship Him in vain because they follow the doctrines of men instead of the commandments of God.

Although it seems that I have said the same as you have, I haven''t. There is a subtle difference that makes a complete difference. Let me explain:
Yeshua HAD to die on the cross. For that to happen, the Jews could not know who He was. But a remnant had to know who He was to continue with the Flame of Light. The Jews were not punished by blindness BECAUSE OF rebellion. But they WERE punished because of rebellion. Thats the Jewish understanding of paradoxes, as with the ashes of the red heifer.
The high priest had to be pure to put the ashes into the water that would be used to cleanse the impure, but would himself become impure in the process of preparing the water with the ashes.
In Jewish law there is also the aspect of precedence What comes first. The high priest HAD to be pure to perform the duty of making the water. The Jews HAD to be blinded to be able to hand Yeshua over to be crucified.

Hope it makes sense.
Blessings

I read a story yrs ago, where this woman wanted to leave her husband. She was a godly woman, but just weary of her "dead" marriage. A wise counselor urged her to " begin to show love to her husband in small acts of kindness, and in time her heart would follow. This was hard advice. Her heart wasn''t in it, but she knew it was right. Over time she learned that love follows obedience in God''s treasury of truth, and the marriage was saved. So the first step is just obey the commandments as if you loved doing so!

Jesus summed it up in Matt:22: 37-38. So I asked the question how many of us who post here keep these two? I can''t raise my hand, but I can committ to try. Think of how different our focus, our witness could be if we just committed to obeying these two. By keeping them, we''d be keeping all ten!

Yes, Ezekiel, please give me more translations. Thank you, Cynthia

Your comment: Present a completely Jewish Messiah to them in the way that God meant him to be known and they would receive him.
God DID that and Jesus was rejected as he still is being today.

I agree that those 2 commandments hang all the law and the prophets..The first one consist of loving and obeying YAH and the second consist of loving others, BUT in no way did YAH"S 10 commandments get nailed to the cross...As far as His name goes..The name Jesus in not in your bible as well..Is it? But does that mean that Jesus is not the same person..Or do you think that Jesus that is in the KJV is different that Yahshua ( Yeshua) in your bible? ..Not all Jews call Yahshua..Yeshua..YAH knows what is in our hearts..HE knows who loves him and his son, regardless of the name we call..Be it Jesus, Yahshua or Yeshua

I was wondering since the greatest commandment is what you said: shouldn''t we follow what He said to do? We might think we are walking in the spirit, but how many Pastor''s have led their people the wrong way name it & claim it, the faith message, the prosperity message,etc., how many people have been sucked into that? Were they walking by the spirit? Don''t we have to have something, a blueprint to go by , doesn''t the law,(instruction) show us how not to sin? I am baptized in the spirit but i still need the word . Thank you for your answer.

and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Hope this shed some light!

What were Yeshua''s commandments?
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS." Mt 22:37-40 (emphasis mine) If we love our neighbor, we won''t take his wife, we won''t steal from him, we won''t kill him, we won''t give him drugs to destroy his body...etc.
Next, you keep misusing the Hebrew name of Jesus. Its Yeshua, not Yahshua. When the angel came to Mary he said: "Thou shalt call his name Yeshua. Its that way in my Hebrew bible and all my Israeli friends pronounce it that way! Also read Is 62:11, here we see Yeshua is a person: "Behold YHVH has proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy Yeshua cometh behold His reward is with Him and His work before Him." Compare that with Rev 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly an

When Yahshua walked this earth, he kept YAH"s commandments..He even raised the bar on some..Such as adultry..Just looking at someone with lust is adultry..He showed us HOW to keep them...

Col 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it".

Note that the Greek word for “ordinances” in Colossians 2:14 is “dogma”, pronounced “dog''-mah” and the Strong''s definition is “a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.”

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with The Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His Commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." (1 John 2:1-6 KJV)

Hello Ezekiel: I finally got the time to respond to you. I haven''t had the time today to go over all the post here, it has been a very busy day. Tomorrow I''ll be out of town most of the day. I''ll try to check out this page when I get home. It is important to see that in Jesus Christ there is no breaking of the commandmaent, if we abide in Him. I don''t have to remind myself of the commandments being in Jesus Christ to know what is wrong and what is right. As I stated below, we are held to a higher standard in Jesus Christ, in loving our neighbor as ourselves. It is perfectly ok to keep the Sabbath, but by doing so one cannot impose it on another. The New Testament shows us what has been carried over from the Old Testament. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law of Righteousness, thus proving He was God with us. No man could do that. Thru faith in Him the Law holds no charge against us to condemn us before God. Shalom

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow in His Holy character. Is He going to give the Law again on Mt Sinai ? Is there going to be another Blood Atonement, or Resurection of Him from the dead, or a parting of the Red Sea, another Pentecost the birth of the Church ? Obviously you have to apply that Scripture verse correctly. A day of rest is certainly for our good, and that can be on a Sunday, as well as a Saturday. I certainly have not judged you for keeping the Sabbath, but you can not impose that on others in Jesus Christ.

The commandments are summed up now in this, Love thy neighbor as thyself. Someone can purchase an item for a price below its real value, while knowing its real value, but the owner not being aware of it, and putting a lower price on the item. Is the man who purchased the item justified in his actions ? Did he break any of the written commandments ? He was not justified, and while there is no specific commandment against what he did, and he can argue against paying thre price asked, he is guilty against the LAW of Jesus Christ written in the heart, that says to love thy neighbor as our selves. Would the purchaser want to be taken advantage of in the manner he took advantage of the seller ??? Absolutely not. In Jesus Christ we are help to higher standared than the written law. Love thy neighbor as thyself, and fulfill the Royal Law in Jesus Christ.

The Sabbath was a sign between God and Isael, that is why it is included in the Ten Commandments, and the law for Righteousness. The laws purpose was to show Israel that they could not keep it. If they broke any of the commandments they were guilty of brealing all. That was suppose to point them to Jesus Christ and the need for God''s Mercy thriogh HIs Blood Atonement. We now know that no man is righteous before God in trying to keep the law, or the commandments. The unbelieving Jews still stumble at this, and reject Jesus Christ. Read Acts 15:28,29: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things Verse 29: that ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

for me to quit for now. Appeciate the scriptures given. I thought this time I would try a different approach with the law and Christ. It will be the Lord that will open the eyes if it is meant to be, we can only give the scriptures and pray and hope...that''s our duty. Staying in gentleness and patience is the fruit we must exercise on these issues. It''s been good for me. Enjoyed your input. Thanks
Peace be to you. Shalom

is Holy. If He is in us, then we are Holy through Him.

Hello: Please reread my posting of 4/8/08, 3:32 a.m. I clearly said that we are not free to do as we please. You might have missed that. We are never free to break any of the commandments of God. Sabbath keeping was for Israel under the law, to keep the law of righteousness. We are not commanded to keep the Sabath today. Colossians 2:16:17 clearly show us that, and there is no getting around it. I certainly hope you are not trying to tie keeping the Sabbath for Salvation ??? There is nothing wrong for you to keep the Sabbath, but you can not make it a requirement for others. If you are in Israel, it might be a good thing to keep the Sabbath to show the Orthodox you are not breaking that commandment given to Israel, and that Christians are not against the Law of Righteousness.

He guided Abraham, and that same power guides us that Love Him today. We are able to keep the sin out of our life that the written Law defines as sin. We can call it the Law or we can call it Sin, it is the same. If true love dwells in us we will walk in love, the written law points to the sin, but the Sprit convicts of us the sin and that is the difference that the Mosaic Law could not do. Let us rest in the Lord because He gives rest to the weary because He has become our Sabbath rest. Heb 4. Peace to you.

our heart we will listen to His voice and

to guide him. He had the seed in Him. Gal 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say and to Seeds, meaning many people, but, to your Seed, meaning ONE PERSON, who is Christ. (the seed of Christ was planted in Him, the same as it is for us who have received this same SEED,) It is Christ who has this power to save Abraham, us today who believe Him and believe He is who He is that saves us by our faith in Him, not the law of Moses. Jesus has become our Sabbath. We rest in Him knowing all these things He has written for us who have been called and walk according to the Spirit that has been gifted to us. Hope this helps all of you. peace be to you.

The seed does not make us Holy. The Holy Spirit does.

The Ten Commandments and the Mosiac Law are two totally different things.The most important commandment is the very first one and if we truly love the Lord with all our heart we will follow the rest of the commandments too.

unto Moses. To Lie is to break the law that is against living God''s way. There is no lie with God. It had become a written law to instruct us, the children of God. When this law is broken, there is a penalty requred to make an atonement. Under Moses a sacrifice was required that had to be of blood. Did you ever read of Abraham having to give sacrifices for his sin? He lied to Pharaoh about Sarah being his sister, no sacrifice was offered, instead, Pharaoh asked him why he lied, and Abraham was truthful saying Sarah was the daughter of Father but different mother, he twisted the truth. He repented. Now, if that''s what was required of Abraham, and we are Abraham''s son''s why is the Mosaic covenant a need to keep? If Christ is in us we will walk in truth if we are His, we won''t go and lie, if we do we repent because we will know it and to continue is sin for us. Why do we need the Law given 430 later?

Was Abraham given the Mosaic Law? Which covenant came first? the Abrahamic covenant or the Mosaic?
Many who read what Jesus said in the gospels take what was being said to the seed of Jacob that was still binding under the Mosaic covenant as being meant for today. Until He died everything was still in effect and Jesus had to adhere to it all to the last word of it to fulfill it. He came to fulfill it and make a new covenant that included Gentile believers who will believe in Him as Abraham did. Peace to you. Shalom

my friend, we carry His name if we are His and we must be holy. A requirement that we must meet. As the seed of Jacob carries His name they are to be Holy also. We are Holy because His seed lives in us. What is His seed? It the living Word dwelling in us that teaches us the way of life. This same Seed was in
Abraham....Peace to you.

Obeying the Commandments is not the same as keeping the Law. It is strictly obeying our Father and our Lord. Jesus said anyone who breaks the least of the commandments breaks them all. He also said why do you call me Lord Lord and do not do what I say. He also said HE is Lord of the Sabbath. You know that satan decieves the whole world. Did you know he also wants you to worship him? Do you suppose maybe people that do not worship on the day commanded but worship on Sundays are maybe worshiping satan himself? I for one will not take that chance.I love my Lord. I will worship Him on the day He wants me too.

internalize them in their hearts this world would be a better place. The Good news is that this set up with Satan at large here dividing the word of God, separates the sheep from the goats. It is all a part of the big plan of God. You love the Lord as you and I both treasure the ten commandments that show us a way to live...though it is only through God''s Holy Spirit that we''re led into living them fully. This has been a gift to us because of the blood our Lord shed as the Lamb of God, given to us as a final requirment met under the Law which has given us Grace. Amen. Our Lord is soon coming to gather us up for the Kingdom of God is at hand...Let us love one another. Peace be to you. Shalom

scripture were the sacrifices were done away with in reference to what you are talking about. I have heard some one say that before, But I have not found that in the New Testament or the Old. Thank you. Shalom

written in the Bof of the Law. (Now with Paul saying that you can not keep part of the law, like Sabbath observation, the entire Levitical law must be kept or you are under a curse. God makes this very clear in this verse why it must not be kept, if it is then a person who has received grace falls from it and is judged under this law that cannot be met by acts only through sacraficing of blood, and it may be your blood that is required to be shed under this law. I perfer to take Grace and be taught from the Holy Spirit.) Hope this helps you see how dangerous it is to keep the law for justification with God. Peace be to you, my friend.

that we are in agreement right so far? vers 16:15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine AND MAKE IT KNOWN TO YOU. (This promise we have been given, it is not the Mosaic Law that included animal sacrifies that called for a continuing blood offer.) Gal 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written:

I hold his 10 commandments very strongly in my heart..To me they will never be "done" away with..They are the codes by which to live..You know I have to say that if the whole world lived by them, the world will not be in the mess its in now..

There is vast difference between the Ten Commandments and the ceremonial law. The former was done away with at the cross the latter was not.

there are two laws in the Old Testament the law of sacrifices, which was abolished, and another, the Ten Commandments, which was not abolished

you have a sinful, unbelieving heart, that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today. so that none of you may be hardened by sin''s deceitfulness. (This is what we are to be focued on, listening to his voice, not the law.) Jesus Christ speaks to all of us who are His. John16:7 I am sending the Counselor to you, he will CONVICT the world of guilt in regard to SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and judgment. When the Spirit of Truth comes 12) he will guide you into all truth. (not the law who points to sin) This is the way we are taught who believe in the Son of God.
I''ll post more on the next post in a few minutes...Shalom peace to you.

just a little more time is needed, though answering Diana''s might take care of your questions also.
Peace be to you.

add to these posting concerning the Law and freedom in Christ, feel free to add or disagree. Good seeing you on the site. Shalom

The Commandments are not the Law, they are His Commandments to us. They only Help us to obey Him. We are to obey Him if we love Him. They are not burdensome and they do not hurt us. They keep us from sinning. Please do not think that just because Jesus died for us that we can keep sinning. Do you have children? Do they have rules you expect them to follow? Well so does Our Father in Heaven.He has commandments for us and He expects us to follow them.

I have pondered that question about His name. This is what I came up with. Its because His name is to be kept Holy.

in our Lord''s word to study and internalize that I''ve been at it since 14. From 14 to 33 God taught me without the bible...age 33 he opened His word to me and I haven''t been able to put it down it fills my soul with completness. So bear with me and I''ll answer your questions the best I can with all the Lord has shown me. And I look forward to all you have to share with me. We all belong to Christ and let us love one another as we discuss. Peace be to you my friend.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all, (James 2:10). I praise God that as a believer in Jesus Christ , I am not under the Ten Commandments, but under Grace, where the law is written in our hearts. I have a higher law, the law of the Spirit (Romans 8:2, because the Holy Spirit leads and empowers us to obey God: the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), because Christ Jesus is our example and our goal (Romans 8:29), the law of liberty (James 1:25), not because we are free to do as we please, our judgment fell on Jesus Christ, and therefore we are free from the condemnation of the Mosiac law, fulfill the royal law according to the scripture (James 2:8), because the sum of the law is to love thy neighbor as thyself. For ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3). Thank God we are under Grace in Jesus Christ and not under the law.

this issue. We will use scriptures that have been written for us in the N.T. No the law is good because it point us to what sin is. The book of Galations is one of the books with Hebrews that explain this very well. Let me gather the scriptures and I will give them to view. But as Abraham did not have the Law which came 430 yrs after him that He was the Lord''s friend because the Lord spoke to him and today the Lord speaks to us, if we are willing to talk to the Lord. see next post.

Thats right, I will not let any one judge me for not keeping the Sabbath or any other Holy Day. God sanctified the Sabbath and He does not change. He is the same yesterday today and tommorrow. This day of rest is for His people. All of His people.Do you not think you might need a day of rest? It is only for our good.

Have you ever studied why the word GOD is in the bible instead of HIS name? YAHWEH .. Its very interesting

written in the bible, not the word Elohim....is written...Rev 12:17 the word in KJV and NIv is God, not Elohim...as quoted.

If the Sabbath has been ( done away with ) does that mean that all the other 9 are as well? Does that mean that I can lie, cheat, commit adultry, steal and have other Gods? If one is gone so are all the others..Right?

out the OT and NT have often time used the Name Elohim in singular form instead of the plural for the reasons given below.
This has made it confusing for some who have not understood some of the translations made in the word of God....but God is good and He''s spirit will teach us as he promised. Shalom friend.

Jesus Himself said at least 3 times that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5. Thank you Diana its sounds to me like you have the Spirit of Truth working inside of you too. The Bible says when you have the Spirit of Truth working inside of you that He will write His Laws on your Heart. That He does!!!!

Jesus Himself said at least 3 times that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5.

Colossians shows us that for believers today, Gentile or Jew, the sabbath day is not in effect. The New Testament shows us which things from the Old Testament were carried over into it..(VERSE 16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. VERSE 17: which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.) The Sabbath commandment was a sign between God and Israel,( Exodus 31:13). The Sabbath commandment was very severe, calling for death for those who worked on Saturday,( Exodus 31:14-15). The Law of Moses falls or stands as a whole. No one can pick and choose which parts they want to keep. "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them..." (Deut. 27:26).

I agree with you so very much about YAH''s commandments..All thru HIS WORD it states over and over to keep HIS commandments..

(el-o-heem'')
God, Judge, CreatorUse in the Bible: : In the Old Testament Elohim occurs over 2000 times. Elohim is first used in Gen 1:1.

Variant spellings: None

TWOT Reference: 93c

Strong''s Reference: 0430

Elohim in the Septuagint: theos — the standard Greek word for god, "a transcendent being who exercises extraordinary control in human affairs or is responsible for bestowal of unusual benefits" (BDAG). It specifically refers to the monotheistic God of Israel.

Meaning and Derivation: Elohim is translated as "God." The derivation of the name Elohim is debatable to most scholars. Some believe it derived from ''êl which, in turn, originates from the root word, ''wl (which means "strong"). Others think that Elohim is derived from another two roots: ''lh (which means "god") in conjunction with ''elôah (which means "fear"). And still others presume that both ''êl and Elohim come from ''eloah.

Jesus himself said He who breaks the least one of these commandments breaks them all.

and at the same time did not deny a plurality of persons in the divine nature. I hope this helped some of you. The absolute with scriptures is to read the full context of it and even if some part of the translation is not quite correct the fullness of what is being said in the chapter will still come through with correctness.

theoi. gods. The reason for this was that at the time the Sept. translation was made, Greek idolatry was the prevailing superstition, especially in Egypt under the Ptolemies. If the translators rendered the name of the true God by the pl. theoi, they would have given the hearhen under Greek culture and idea of God inconsistent with the unity of the divine essence and conformable to their own polytheistic notions.

VERSE 9: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who cre&ted all things by Jesus Christ

The Law Paul is talking about is the law in Leviticus concerning the sacrifices. Jesus took the sacrifices on Himself. The Ten Commandments are still in effect. They are not burdensome. We are to obey them. Fourth commandment: Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. The Bible is full of this One sentence. If you love me you will obey me. Keeping the first day of the week instead of the seventh is following the doctrine of men instead of God. Jesus and His diciples kept the Sabbath even after His death they kept the Sabbath. God sanctified it (made it Holy). If we are to worship Him in truth we are to do that on His Day not mans.

from Elohim: Strongs'' ref 2316 is Chadar another form of 2315 Cheder. This word actually translate into chamber...so, a further search on this Greek word is need and I have done so. It is long but benenficial, from the Word Study Dictionary I have. The word is actually Theos'' masc. noun. God Originally used by the heathen, but in the NT as the name of the true God. The heathen thought the gods were makers and disposers (theteres, placers) of all things. The ancient Greeks used the word both in the sing. and the pl. When they used the pl., they intimated their belief that elements had their own "disposer" or "placer," e.g. the god of money called mammon (Matt. 6:24: Luke, 16:9-13) The Spet. constantly translated the Hebr.pl. name Elohim, when used for the true God by the sing.

IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD

VERSE 9: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who d all things by Jesus Christ

VERSE 45: AND SO IT IS WRITTEN, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a qucikening spirit. VERSE 46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual. VERSE 47: The first man is of the earth, earthly, the second man is THE LORD FROM HEAVEN.

While the Pharisees were gathered together Jesus asked them, VERSE 42 saying, What think ye of Christ ? whose son is He ? They say unto Him, The Son of David. VERSE 43, He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call Him Lord, saying, VERSE 44: The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right Hand till I make thine enemies thy footstool ? VERSE 45: If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son ? VERSE: And no man was able to answer Him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask Him any more questions.

Forgot to reply yesterday. You asked about my Messianic Friend, assume you meant the Jewish Pastor? He teaches the entire Bible. His congregation is both Jew & Gentile. He observes the Jewish Holy Days , teaches Yeshus as fullfillment of God''s "dates" with Israel. He is humble, faithful, willing to witness in Jerusalem and be persecuted by some.!

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, The Word, and The Holy Ghost, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. !!! 1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning which we have head ,which we have seen with out eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handlled, of THE WORD OF LIFE. Verse 2, (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it and bear witness, and shew unto you the ETERNAL LIFE, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us. VERSE 3, That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and Truly our fellowship is with the Father , and with HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.

And wihtout controversy great is the mystery of godliness, GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in athe world, received up into Glory.

And wihtout controversy great is the mystery of godliness, GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in athe world, received up into Glory.

Matthew 1:23, Behold a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name, Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US !!! JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. !!! 1 JOHN 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God. Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God, and this is THE SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is in the world. The test of spirits and the people they influence, is their teachings concerning the nature of Jesus Christ. If in any way they, they try to separate Jesus from "the Christ," denying either full divinity or perfect humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ, they are not from God. The book of Galatians deals with the Judaizers who tried to bring the Church under subjection to the law for salvation.

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of Elohim, and have the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah" (Revelation 12:17).

• "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of Elohim, and the faith of Yahshua" (Revelation 14:12).

• "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14).

May our Saviour hold our hearts in His Hand until He comes.
Blessings,
Ellie

Ellie my dear, you couldn''t have given me a better book of scripture to read at this time. God bless you my sister.

Give it up Woman! I lived in Israel for six years and I know Jewish believers who have spoken Hebrew from the time they were on their mothers knees and YOU ARE WRONG in your utterances! Nuff said! Shalom

have been alienated from CHRIST. YOU HAVE FALLEN AWAY FROM GRACE. Gal 5:4
We do not keep the Sabbath as a requirment as it was given to the Mosaic Covenant only. Abraham did not keep the Sabbath, the law was given 430 yrs (Gal 3:17) afterward through Moses who came after ABRAHAM. Do not let Satan decieve you and have your fall from Grace through Christ. He is coiming and we of faith do not keep the Sabbath thinking we are pleasing Christ. That does not please Him Faith in who HE is and what HE is able to do is what He requires from us. Don''t keep any day Sat. or Sun or Mon, looking for justification. Amen. Hope this will help some of you who seem to be not understanding. amen

It has not been changed. What has become the command of God upon the death of Jesus is to keep everyday unto the Lord Heb 4 calling it TODAY. We enter into completion of His work and rest from ours...This has been taken out of context by both Sabbath keepers and Sunday keepers, both calling it the Lords Day of worship. The command to the Christian is to keep everyday unto the Lord a greater commandment than the first. Whether we gather on Sat. Sun or Mon do it all unto the Lord and love the brethren in all places of understanding. Though becareful not to place yourself under the Mosaic Law, because you fall from Grace and are not justified by the Law at the judgment. Gal 3:11 read the entire Chapter for guidence. Amen

And what do you subscribe to?

Perhaps satanism? Or you are a major liberal? Or perhaps an anti-semitic? May G~d ~ Elohim( justice, lawgiver, ruler, & judge)have mercy G~d ~YHVH(justice tempered with mercy)on your soul.

Joe Good and Ross Nichols can be found at www.arba4.com Their teachings come from a total Jewish perspective and are rock solid.

i am new to this so bear with me: it is with great interest that i read everyone''s comments. I know through study that as believers we have strayed from the truth: we are to worship G~d in spirit & in truth & are all responsible for what we believe: when i was reading Mathew 15:9 HaShem spoke to me & said like keeping Sunday as the Sabbath, we have been taught a lie, just as some of you have said, we need to seek for truth, i have found that on Joseph Good''s site & Ross Nichols. Bless all of you & may you be obedient to the One who loves you so much. Ecclesiastes12:6-14 p.s. i am going off site in case any of you reply to me & i am not able to reply back at this time.

We are all learning the way. In the little book of 2 Peter this dear apostle who has served Christ faithfully is nearing his death (see chp 1) and the words he gave to his readers list the steps to becoming a fruitful servant of the Lord. Note that he lists diligence & virtue before knowlege. Knowledge without these wouldn''t be obeyed.
Just stay on the journey girl!

If anyone would like to know more and really study just who HaShem and Yeshua are from an understanding of what the 1st century taught, get the book "One God & One Lord". It''s available from Christian Educational Services 317-255-6249 or Jesusces@aol.com
It''s very easy reading and packed with truth. HaShem''s blessings on you all.

Elohim (God/gods) have a very different connatation in Hebrew than in English, so when the apostles used it to refer to Yeshua it was as Messiah-a representative of the true Elohim. You say my Greco-Roman basis of Christianity is false, but a study of how the church evolved when the Greeks became majority will prove me right. The scholars credit Platoism for what we have as Christianity. Again, my apologies for coming across harsh.

O LORD, my strength and my fortress, My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, "Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthless and unprofitable things." Will a man make gods (elohim) for himself which are not gods? I don''t want the lies anymore, and in my bumbling way I am trying to expose them to you. Elohim is a Jewish compound word used for Moses (Ex.7:1), judges, prophets & even false gods. BUT when it used for the Father the verb
is ALWAYS singular.

My sincere apologies to you & anyone
else who thought my posts were sarcastic. It''s really frustration at trying to bring God''s truth from Jewish eyes, language & understanding. Much meaning is lost when Hebrew is translated to English, and it''s gotten us on the wrong track. I don''t ask anyone to believe what I say but hope to spark a desire to find the truth from God. To do that you have to go to Jewish sources. HaShem knew the wrong path we''d take when He had Jeremiah write (16:19-20) cont''d

Is not correct. The Septuagant gives it more clearly. The Anointed on is speaking of the prince of princes who is from the tribe of Judah to offer sacrifices on the alter. A it is well established that the 7 seven''s are weeks and the 62 7''s are also weeks. Many commentaries under the Roman theory use years and a differnet spin. Greek Septuagent opens it up in clearity the words what is being said. Would be glad to discuss any of this with you more indepth. Or point you to other translations of the Word that give clearity in this chapter of Daniel. The King is coming! Amen

..but the truth is in there, and we are called to worship God in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.

The Lord''s Spirit, united with our spirit..leads us into all..Truth. His.

In Him, there is no longer Jew or Greek, male or female..we have had our dead human spirit quickened, made alive..just as Lazarus was called from his tomb...at Jesus command, Lazarus was made alive, and came out. That was physical, but a picture of the spiritual.

The true person born from God has life in a very similar way..we responded to His call to us, however He did it, and we came to Him..and have spiritual life.

Thank you all for your most welcome contributions in the discussion??? previously. It has helped me enormously in the fact that my faith and interpretation of scripture is solid. My weak area as I tried to point out (obviously not clear enough) is in the area of Jewish interpretation of the scriptures and why there is such a big division between us, other than the fact that they don''t recognise their Messiah. FRANK your writings have confirmed to me that I am in the right place and I thank you very much for them. Sarah, Thank you, perhaps you didn''t notice that I said the same as you have written, or am I reading your posting wrong? I am very encouraged by the support from you all, it''s good to know there are brothers and sisters here who take the time and trouble to uphold another, be they right or wrong. If wrong by bringing scripture to point out the error. I have learned some lessons from this. Once again Thank you.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, The Spirt and the water and the blood and these three agree in one.
Jesus spoke of himself as living water and his blood as life, and the Spirit as God. Jesus was the enbodiment of all three Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who gives eternal life. See John 6: 54

even Jesus Christ not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost these three are one. (1 John: 6-7).

The sin nature, we all inherited from Adam, is neither Jew or Gentile. It is rebellion against God''s authority. A nature to rebel, this is why no man born from Adam could EVER set us free.
When God said "This is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased" He was speaking of our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Jesus didn''t say He did everything the Father told Him to do, He said "everthing I SEE the FATHER DOING". Spirit. Don''t forget the Holy Spirit was filling the Living Christ of God. He could see the Father, because they were one MIND AND SPIRIT.

worlds Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high," In John, Jesus said the Father and I are one! In Revelations, Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega (the beginning and the end). Phil 2:10 says: " That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD to the glory of God, the Father."
Christine, the Jews are chosen by God for a purpose to make His name known, the last 7 years of earths history as we know it will be taken up with God dealing with the Jews. However, today during the period of grace, there is no difference between Jew and Gentile and one is not to lord it over the other. I really prayed about this and hope it helps.
God bless in Christ

Shalom. Like reading your posts. Just a little adjustment though with post 4/6/2008 4:57 PM.: "The blinding of the Jews was done by God AFTER they rejected their Messiah." (emphasis mine).
In fact, they HAD to be blinded IN ORDER TO reject their messiah, in order to send Him to the cross, so that His blood could be shed for the world.

Blessings

In Zec 2:8 "For thus saith the LORD of hosts: After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye." Who can send the LORD of hosts? God the Father sending God the Son perhaps! Now in the New Covenant. "For by him were all things cre8ted, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones,or dominions, or principalities, or powers-all things were cre8ted by him, and for him And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church who is the beginning, the first born from the dead, that in all things he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell " Col 1:16-19 Again, in Heb 1-3
"God, who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds Wh

Dear sister in Christ,
I followed your postings with Shoshanah, and she is way off. Already, her sarcastic manner puts up red flags! Thats not exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit. As far as Jesus being God, the apostles believed that. To say that is Greco - Roman is so false. Lets go to Scripture and see what God''s word says.
First, in Genesis: "In the beginning God (Elohim) d the heaven and the earth." The Hebrew word Elohim is plural and has no singular form! Then in verse 26, "And Elohim said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness " You will find the same thing at the tower of babel. Now look at Is 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the king of Israel, and His redeemer, the LORD (YHVH) of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God (Elohim)." In Is 48:16 "Come near unto me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning from the time that it was, there am I and now the LORD God (Adoni YHVH), and His Spirit, hath sent me.
(cont)

Thank you very much for your answer and explanation

Rm 3:1 What advantage is there in being a Jew? Much in everyway, they have been entrusted with the very words of God.
What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God''s fairthfulness? NOT AT ALL. So 3:9) What shall we conclude then?Are we any better? NOT AT ALL. We have already made the charge..that Jew and Gentile alike are all under SIN. Let both Jew and Gentile turn from sin, race or creed does not matter to God, but to come out of Sin and honor HIM with OUR LIFE is requried, because there is a Wrath of God coming upon the whole earth on the ungodly. Amen

Torah calls Him the Rock, cornerstone, Salvation, and many other names all written in the prophets. The Torah being the King James are one in the same with the words transcribe. We who confess Jesus and have excepted HIm are called by HIM as the Jews are HIs Chosen people. To know the Torah in fullness and truth it will point you to the Christ who came in the flesh and died. The Jews keeping the Torah will point all to Christ if you know your Yeshua....because He is the Christ who was with Abraham. Amen.

What you said was true..There is no other GOD but YAH..Yahshua is the son of YAH..

You just went down a path I cannot go.
For where could I go without my Father God
My Saviour, Jesus the Christ
My Guide, the Holy Spirit.

wonderful scripture of our Lord from out of His Word through the prophets. Love reading it over and over! In Daniel 9:26 you interpret the word Anointed into Messiah. Where did you find that interpretaion. the Strongs Ex.Con. has no interpretaion for that particular word use there. I find it interesting to know because I read it to mean someone else. Thank you and would enjoy sharing information we have on it with each other. Our King is coming to reign. Allelujah, praise our King who has died for many. Amen.

The Jews who do not buy into the church''s Gentilized Jesus will not be blamed for disbelief, but God will see them as standing true to His greatest truth - Shema (Hear) Israel, HaShem your God, HaShem is One God. Mark 12:28-31. The church has stripped Yeshua of his Jewishness and made him another God. It is the faith that HaShem has given the Jewish people that they are holding to. Present a completely Jewish Messiah to them in the way that God meant him to be known and they would receive him. HaShem tries to make it plain in chapters 40-48 of Isaiah that there is NO other God but Him. Will we ever learn????????????

And He expresses Himself to whomever we speak.

Several years ago someone asked me how I witnessed to a Jewish friend of mine. I told them...the same as anyone else.

It always is through God''s grace, through our faith. Backside of the desert is a starting point, learning from the Lord. Moses didn''t do anything until he spent time with God.

We are told to be yoked together with Jesus Christ. Most never do that, and so they have to find stategies and laws...which take them FROM Him, not WITH Him. He is the fulfillment of the Law, so He certainly knows how to discipline us, if we are born a Jew, or born again...a Jew.

Yeshua DID NOT come to break the bonds of religion, but to turn us to the Father and eventually die for our salvation. He repeatedly said that he could not say (or do) anything unless the Father had told him. Every commandment that Yeshua gave in the NT can be found in the Tenach (OT), because they are HaShem''s words. Every time you read lawless or lawlessness in the NT, substitute "without Torah" because that is what the Greek word ANOMOS means!!! #459 Strongs. The only law he freed us from is the law of sin and death. Rom. 8:1-2

We were grafted into Israel & became part of the olive tree Rom. 11. As such, the Torah belongs to us to - to obey our God because we love Him. Salvation was NEVER available in the "sacrifices". That blood was a covering from one Yom Kippur till the next. From beginning of time, God''s plan was to have a human Messiah pay that penalty for us. See replys to Christine for more. Yeshua''s death did not negate God''s instructions to us. Torah means instruction - not law as translated in Bibles.

A Gentile believer, who came to faith in Jesus through the gospels of NT teachings has found it nearly impossible to witness to a Jew because of ignorance of the Jewish faith in the Torah. Gentiles have indeed done harm. Will Jews be excused for unbelief. Of course not!

In His time, all Israel will be saved. Romans 11:25-26. Don''t see Him making that promise to all the Gentiles! BUT we saved Gentiles will keep the 7th day Sabbath & New Moon Zech. 66:22-23 and the Festivals that HaShem has recorded in Lev. 23. WE have been grafted into Israel - not the other way around. Learn Hebrew, use a lexicon, know what the words really mean, not what has been translated by Greeks who had their own agenda.

Read scripture without the bias of the trinity and how many times the writers of the books speak of God the Father and our Savior Yeshua HaMachiah-2 complete individuals. In Rev. 3:12, along with many others, Yeshua himself talks of having a God. 4 times in one sentence he speaks of "My God". Can God have a God???? We Westerners have to read the Bible as a lst century Jew would have understood it and not as our Greco-Roman trained preachers tell us to believe.

These teachings came straight from the philosophy of Plato, who all the so called "church fathers" studied. To believe this philosophy is to denigrate who HaShem and Yeshua are in their
own right. The church says no man can forgive sins, ergo Yeshua must be God. That totally goes against what it says in I Cor. 15:16-26 42-58. Man caused sin to enter the world, and it was a man who had to pay the penalty - for the wages of sin is death. Romans 5:12-19. I want to see both of them with Jewish eyes and understanding - not Roman-Greco ones.

My most humble apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I have better things to do than sit in front of this computer all day. Yeshua is the
Son of God, a title given to kings, prophets, judges, etc. in ancient Isreal. NEVER is he called God the Son. That concept came from the Greeks of Alexandria in the 2nd century before Constantine declared them to be one person at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. It took 25 more yrs. of arguing to add the holy spirit to make a trinity. Every pagan religion of that time had a trinity.

..but my heart and spirit understands the true message. Thank you!!

12 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron: ''Because ye believed not in Me, to sanctify Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them.''

* this time it is not going to be just eretz Yisrael that HaShem is referring to... nu?!

ח קַח אֶת-הַמַּטֶּה, וְהַקְהֵל אֶת-הָעֵדָה אַתָּה וְאַהֲרֹן אָחִיךָ, וְדִבַּרְתֶּם אֶל-הַסֶּלַע לְעֵינֵיהֶם, וְנָתַן מֵימָיו וְהוֹצֵאתָ לָהֶם מַיִם מִן-הַסֶּלַע, וְהִשְׁקִיתָ אֶת-הָעֵדָה וְאֶת-בְּעִירָם. 8 ''Take the rod, and assemble the congregation, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes, that it give forth its water and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock so thou shalt give the congregation and their cattle drink.''
יא וַיָּרֶם מֹשֶׁה אֶת-יָדוֹ, וַיַּךְ אֶת-הַסֶּלַע בְּמַטֵּהוּ פַּעֲמָיִם וַיֵּצְאוּ מַיִם רַבִּים, וַתֵּשְׁתְּ הָעֵדָה וּבְעִירָם. {ס} 11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and smote the rock with his rod twice and water came forth abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their cattle. {S}
יב וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה, אֶל-מֹשֶׁה וְאֶל-אַהֲרֹן, יַעַן לֹא-הֶאֱמַנְתֶּם בִּי, לְהַקְדִּישֵׁנִי לְעֵינֵי בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל לָכֵן, לֹא תָבִיאוּ אֶת-הַקָּהָל הַזֶּה, אֶל-הָאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר-נָתַתִּי לָהֶם. 12 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaro

1εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Logos => Torah
in the beginning was the Torah, and the Torah was with Elohim, and Elohim was the Torah...
the Torah came down to earth, was crucified, buried and resurrected to be a new, living Torah...
which is your Messianic friend teaching? the old, dead Torah... or the new, living Torah?

יג וַיָּעַד יְהוָה בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל וּבִיהוּדָה בְּיַד כָּל-נביאו (נְבִיאֵי) כָל-חֹזֶה לֵאמֹר, שֻׁבוּ מִדַּרְכֵיכֶם הָרָעִים וְשִׁמְרוּ מִצְו‍ֹתַי חֻקּוֹתַי, כְּכָל-הַתּוֹרָה, אֲשֶׁר צִוִּיתִי אֶת-אֲבֹתֵיכֶם וַאֲשֶׁר שָׁלַחְתִּי אֲלֵיכֶם, בְּיַד עֲבָדַי הַנְּבִיאִים. 13 yet the LORD forewarned Israel, and Judah, by the hand of every prophet, and of every seer, saying: ''Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by the hand of My servants the prophets''
יד וְלֹא, שָׁמֵעוּ וַיַּקְשׁוּ אֶת-עָרְפָּם, כְּעֹרֶף אֲבוֹתָם, אֲשֶׁר לֹא הֶאֱמִינוּ, בַּיהוָה אֱלֹהֵיהֶם. 14 notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their neck, like to the neck of their fathers, who believed not in the LORD their God
* I think Jews could stand to be accountable for their own actions and not blame Goyim for hindering...

The Jewish people who have not yet recognised their Messiah have been blinded by God until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. During the Great Tribulation when the Abomination of Desolation takes place that is when the veil will be taken away. When Our Lord returns they will see Him and mourn.
You are correct in what you say about the temple in the millenium and about the sacrifices/offerings as a lesson of what the Messiah has done for us.
As you see I have searched for this information because I didn''t know. You could have explained, that was all I asked of you. Then you wonder why there is such a gap between us.
Don''t you think it''s time to close that gap?

One of the things that has helped me is the ministry of a Messianic Jewish Pastor. He makes "Torah" come alive to me, and such a light it is. That is why the Pharisee, Saul who became the Apostle Paul of the NT made such a masterful teacher to both Jew and Gentile and yes, we have so many pagan customs that we can point no fingers. I start with my own heart asking God''s forgiveness.

Since you couldn''t give me the courtesy of answering my posting to you I''ll continue anyway.
Let me first make it clear to you that the majority of posters on this comments forum are true believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We are also believers in Yeshua/Jesus known as Son of God/Messiah/God in the flesh who came to earth to redeem His people Israel by the shedding of His blood. The Levitical laws of sacrifice and offerings were a forshadow of what was to come. Unfortunately most of the children of Israel did not recognise their Messiah. Some in the Gentile nations did and that has grown as has the Jewish people who recognised Him. Yes, there are some in the Gentile nations who call themselves Christians who are not and there are also some who believe in replacement theology. But don''t tar us all with the same brush. Our God is the same as yours and our Saviour is the same as yours and He is JEWISH.

I know that most of the Christians I know have no knowledge of the Torah, or appointed times of God. I could just say Jewish Feast Days, but they are so much more!! In every one we see Yeshua! When we can break down the barriers of misunderstanding , together we can worship and obey our Saviour.

Shoshanah, you wrote welll. Some read to quickly and missed the true point of what you were telling us. What I understand you to say is that Gentiles have hindered Jewish recognition of Jesus/Yeshua because we have little knowledge of the Jewish Holy Days, as Torah teaches,

..and appreciated.

We have some conflict because we aren''t from the same..."sheepfold". This certainly isn''t a new thing, but very sad at this stage of history.

The competition against Jesus has always been the same..it was the same condition between Caine and Able. Soon there will be no more conflict, and no more conjecture. It will all be clear to the whole World and its System run by the prince of this World.

No question because the Truth will be here and in command. He already is in my own life. He has been for 45 years.

You stated that the church has made Jesus God, but its the other way around! Jesus IS GOD and He formed the church!
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver and gold, from your vain manner of life received by tradition from your fathers, But with the precious blood of Christ, as a spotless lamb without blemish and without spot, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," 1 Pet 1:18-20
"Ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."
1 Pet 2:5
Shalom in Christ

As far as the church the ones who follow and believe all the doctrines and laws are from God, these are the ones that need to wake up and remove the veil of deceit from there eyes. The blind are leading the blind these days. People like to read and repeat but do they truly understand the Word. Jew or Gentile we will all be judged according to our own deeds, but in Christ that redemption is true salvation.God Bless and Peace always in Yeshua. Matthew

Yeshua came as a salvation of all to break the bonds and chains of religion, which the evil one infiltrated at the beginning and locked the chains. His salvation is redemption for all who call on His Name, because to believe in Him is to believe in the one who sent Him. His ways are not hard, just the evil in mens heart that puts the stumbling blocks in front of all who seek the Father of Truth. The time will come and only He knows when all will be tested to fire and judgment as been foretold to us from the beginning but yet we turn a deaf ear to the Father. We quote prophecies and then don’t believe we teach ignorance and say it is the way , how much longer must we go on with the veil of deceit over our eyes, lead others down the wrong path blindly and trying to corrupt the incorruptible .

The thing about all this comes to " he who knows the law shall be judged by it" just obeying the Messiahs words is obeying the One who sent HIM. All this other junk was added to the Lord''s Word by men who think they hold the power. Whether rabbi or priest, synaguage or chruch. These ways where finished when Yeshua fullfilled the Prophecies.

Christine here is a link where you can learn more.Its called Holidays or HolyDays: Does it really matter which days we keep. http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/HH/

john the baptist , considered a prophet in israel , looking at yeshua <jesus> said " behold the lamb of G-d who takes away the sin of the world" could not yeshua be such a lamb? ======== shalom to all israel ======== augustine e johnson-usa

Thank you very much for your posting and timely correction. I apologise if offence was given, certainly non was intended. I probably should not have said anything because I do lack knowledge in this area. However, I will certainly make it a priority to correct this by study of the scriptures starting with the ones you have given. Are there other areas you can recommend for study purposes?

the "sacrifices" during the 1000 yrs.,
will be a teaching tool for the unregenerated. Korban (offering) means to "draw near". It was an arranged meeting with HaShem, who was the One who set down very explicit rules for those who would draw near and be obidient to the Torah. HIS plan - not mans. Many of you would do well to learn of His
"Jewish-type" plan, because He isn''t
changing it - no matter what you''ve been taught. Also, reference the post by Mawana as the Church is quite deceived by their pagan holidays which came by way of the Greeks and Romans. Learn God''s truth through the Bible, especially what is referred to as the Old Testament. It''s as "new" today as it was when it was written!!!!!!!!!!!

More Jews have come to a saving knowledge of Yeshua since 1967 than in the lst century. The blindness that you all refer to is their staying true to Torah and not receiving a Gentilized non-Jewish Jesus, whom the church has made God. As to Yeshua being the final sacrifice, that is true in a sense of our salvation. However, you all would be a lot more educated if you read Ezekiel 40 - 48, where HaShem gives the building plan for the third temple and the specificitions for the Alter, which will have animal korban (offerings), called sacrifices by Christians. Ezek.43:13-27 Yeshua secured our salvation by the shedding of his blood, and that atonement will be acted out thru out
the Millenium for the ones who still have natural bodies, came thru the Trib, and will have children. It will be a memorial for what Yeshua did for mankind, as these natural people will still need to make their decision to follow him. Just as the korban were always meant to be a learning tool for the Jews (and us), so the "sacrifi

The acts of the sinful nature ae obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery idolatry and witchcraft hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I WARN YOU THAT THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Amen (These suffer the wrath of God that is coming upon the earth soon) The King Jesus is coming to collect His fairthful and chosen people whose lives His was given for. Amen

many people and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation TO THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM.
The time is near for the return of our Lord that will take us and put us in the rooms prepared for us (John 14:1-3 and Isa 26:20) who love him and are led by the spirit of God...This GREAT DAY of the LORD is near, be prepared by deeds of love towards one another, all menkind belong to God. Do not take the blood shed for us lightly as the Wrath of God is coming on the earth. Joh 14:23 If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. See to it to know His teaching and walk in it. This is love. Amen

was done by God after they rejected their Messiah. There are some who have come into the light and now recognise Him, the others are the stiff necked ones. They still believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The sacrifice of blood is still their way of repentance as it was in the covenant they are still under. One day they will be given eyes to see and will recognise Him. As will a lot of Gentiles. That will be in God''s timing.

The Messiah Yeshua was Our sacrificial lamb is true. The problem with blindness lays within the Christian(Ephraim) and the Jew(Judah) both. Judah is blinded as to the Messiah and Christians are blinded as to the law and each blame one another, The WORD states that the Christian will take hold of the tzitzit(law) of the Jew and ask to be taught and the Jew will LATER ask for forgiveness from the Christian. But it will Never happen until The Cristians eyes are opened to the law and pagan worship("holidays/Holy-days").

Thousands of Jewish people recognize who is Yeshua and have accepted Yeshua as their Messiah and Saviour. Are you showing them by your Love that you belong to Yeshua?

Jews do not accept the sacrificed Lamb from 2000 years in the past as the Messiah and through ignorance will rebuild the Temple . This Temple will serve a purpose for God''s plan . The Antichrist/False prophet will not be able to resist sitting in the one place that he should not . He will sit in the seat built only for God and this will bring up fury in in the face of God .

Salvation By Faith in Yeshua
Joel 2:32: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

All Have Sinned: 
Ecclesiastes 7:20: For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Psalm 14:3: They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Sin’s Consequences:
Isaiah 59:2: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
God Sent His Son:
Psalm 2:12: Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Necessity Of Blood:
Leviticus 17:11: ''For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.''
Yeshua made the Final Sacrifice, the blood Atonement for sin for all who wold accept Him.

The Messiah Not To Remain In The Grave:
Psalm 16:10:  For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
Zechariah 12:9-10: 9 "It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Time Of Messiah’s Coming:
Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. (Messiah to come and be cut off before the destruction of the 2nd Temple, (Sanctuary), which was destroyed by Titus in C.E. 70.)       

The Messiah to be a light to the Gentiles:
Isaiah 42:6: "I, the LORD, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles,
Isaiah 11:10: "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious."
Isaiah 49:6: Indeed He says, ''It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved ones of Israel I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'' "

Birthplace of the Messiah:
Micah 5:2,4: 2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting." 4 And He shall stand and feed His flock In the strength of the LORD, In the majesty of the name of the LORD His God And they shall abide, For now He shall be great To the ends of the earth
Zechariah 9:9-10: 9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.10 I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim And the horse from Jerusalem The battle bow shall be cut off. He shall speak peace to the nations His dominion shall be ''from sea to sea, And from the River to the ends of the earth.''

The Son:
Isaiah 9:6-7: 6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Psalm 2:7-8: 7 "I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ''You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. 8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
Proverbs 30:4: Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son''s name, If you know?

12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.

He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living For the transgressions of My people He was stricken. 9 And they made His grave with the wicked But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And H

Of Whom are these ancient Jewish Prophets speaking ?
Isaiah 53: 1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. 4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray We have turned, every one, to his own way And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, A

The Suffering, Sin-Bearing Servant:
Isaiah 52:13-15: 13 Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. 14 Just as many were astonished at you, So His visage was marred more than any man, And His form more than the sons of men 15 So shall He sprinkle many nations. Kings shall shut their mouths at Him For what had not been told them they shall see, And what they had not heard they shall consider.
Yeshua amde the once and for all Final Blood Sacrifice for sin when He died on the Cross.

The New Covenant:
Jeremiah 31:31-34: 31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah 32 "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.33 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.34 ...For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Leviticus 17:11: ''For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.''
The Suffering, Sin-Bearing Servant:
Isaiah 52:13-15: 13 Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently He shall be exalted and e