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Thursday, April 17, 2008 by Staff Writer

Iran sees soon coming war between Israel and Syria

Iran this week launched a program to train 20 of its top television and radio journalists to cover a future war between Israel and Syria.

Following the course, the journalists will all be placed on call to ship out to either Syria or Lebanon at a moment's notice if and when hostilities erupt.

On Wednesday, Syrian President Bashar Assad told a Lebanese newspaper that he feels the chances of war with Israel are slim, but then went on to note that Syria is preparing for just such a conflict. Assad explained his war preparations by claiming that the US administration is trying to provoke war between his nation and Israel, as well as a Lebanese civil war.

The Syrian leader went on to claim that during the 2006 Second Lebanon War, Israel had wanted to throw in the towel much earlier, but that Washington had forced it to continue fighting in order to advance US interests.

In related news, Hizballah officials told a Syrian newspaper this week that if hostilities between the Lebanese terrorist militia and Israel resume, as many military experts expect, then Hizballah will activate large cells of Israeli Arabs it has managed to recruit to carry out attacks against their Jewish countrymen.

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[302] COMMENTS:
1 .  Will somebody please give it a rest?
If a rebuke has been expressed, it doesn''t have to keep on drumming away.
There are others to build up, not keep smacking again, and again. The Lord doesn''t keep the punches going, so somebody else has to stop the fight. It doesn''t help ANYONE to keep on. None of the "rebuking" or anger is building anybody up in faith or love.
The statement about "a yoke of bondage" is to all of us...to not allow it. The warnings are all out. We all have heard. Now...peace?
 
BKN   4/25/2008 1:30 PM
2 .  Follow The Lord''s Directive
I am in agreement with the Word from Jake to uphold
The Lord''s Directive.

There is a YOKE of BONDAGE here which exalts itself in .....

''the pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness'' Isaiah 58:9

Until that yoke is broken the strife will continue .
 
Ralph   4/25/2008 12:14 PM
3 .  To David E Kaus
The Book of ACTS
Chapter 20:verses 29-30
'' For I know this,
that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you,
not sparing the flock
From among your own number shall men arise,
speaking perverse things.....''
Mr Kaus -
You seem to be the person with the wolf mentality described here.
I am sure to receive your brand of tongue lashing behind my back for saying so but I won''t remain on these forums to receive anything from the likes of you.
 
Kristin   4/25/2008 11:30 AM
4 .  Jake: Those that oppose the truth of
God''s word and defile the blood of the covenant Heb 10:26-30 have trampled the Son of God which Heb 10 speaks of. To continue in sin deliberately after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left....but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire, that will consume the enemies of God. Take care my brother.
 
Ezekiel   4/24/2008 11:30 PM
5 .  '' From such withdraw yourself''
I TIMOTHY 6:3-5
The Lord''s directive to myself and to those I share this burden with is to withdraw from this environment.
 
Jake   4/24/2008 11:25 PM
6 .  Joyce Some where I missed what your
point was. I promise you it was not my intention to make you feel bad in any way. If it was your daughter you were referring to, I missed it. As I usually read fast through most the postings and miss things, due to time I have. If someone is making bad remarks to you because your daughter is not a believer did you go to them directly as scripture tells us? It take humility on our part to go to a person who has hurt us, or offended us and let them know we''ve been hurt or offended by them. My experience in this has always been to try to pray first, asking for humility to approach the offender then to expose my hurt. This has always worked for me, because it is God''s way. Did this help? Shalom my sister.
 
Ezekiel   4/24/2008 11:22 PM
7 .  1 Timothy 5:20
'''' Them that sin''REBUKE''
That others also may fear''''
David Kaus -
You have been rebuked and reproved according to the Word of GOD and still you appeal to your collaborators to exonerate your self centred image.
I repeat what I have already said so that you are duly warned.
Either respond with grace or realise that for every abusive word you utter to the wind you will reap the whirlwind back upon your own head.
 
Jake   4/24/2008 11:13 PM
8 .  FRANK
Hello brother: I certainly agree with you, opening up any of their post is like opening up a can of garbage, no wonder they wear a gas mask. When I came to this page today, the first thing I saw was Wolf, and right under that title was Lara''s name. It stood out like a neon sign, so did the other one from the person who calls himself Jake, and in like manner. It is as if they have identified themselves in title and name for all to see. Let''s get on to much better things, and let them sink with this page to the bottom. Look forward to seeing your post somewhere else. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/24/2008 10:35 PM
9 .  Christine Gill
Hello Christine: How are you doing ? The Bible tells us to yield to the Spirit and not to the flesh. That is exactly what you are doing to keep yourself in the Peace of God. I haven''t forgotten your question, and will post something to you as soon as I have something on the subject, that I feel is put together right. No need to post back on this page, I''ll pick you up on another. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/24/2008 10:25 PM
10 .  Joyce W.
Hello Joyce: Joyce how are you doing ? You are going through a difficult time as is Charles. My prayers are still there for both of you, as is my concern for you being dragged down by these people. They only post poison pen letters. Ezekiel uses his good guy routine at times to appear friendly, but as you have found out again that dries up quickly. He has never turned from anything he has said or done, and is still in his delusion. You are so right to get on with better things, and leve their trash behind. I''m sure you will do better once you do. Enjoy the day, enjoy God''s Word, enjoy the good fellowship of your brothers and sisters. I really enjoy yours. See you on another page. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/24/2008 6:53 PM
11 .  To Christine Gill
Hi Christine, thank you for your condolences. I appreciate, the love and support, you have shown me as a true sister in Christ. And I agree, I''m also going to sign out, for a while. And I am praying, for the healing of your niece, and I will keep her in my prayers. God bless, and love in Christ to you, and your family.
 
Joyce W   4/24/2008 4:52 PM
12 .  cont.
Many friends have already followed that advice, quite naturally, without hearing this proposal from me or others, it is quite natural, isn''t it?
Good luck, then, all friends of Israeltoday!
 
MrK   4/24/2008 2:50 PM
13 .  And this is also charachteristic for you, you do not answer
simple natural questions, this is a part of your strategy. But now you will fail in your work and mission, like all persons like you will do, sooner or later, because you are not honest and you have a hidden aganda by staying active here. This is what I believe is the situation. I have said this before and I say it again here and now. This may of course cost me some pain and difficulties, because you are not nice and kind, like you may give an impression of, you are able to and you may produce and spread fear, of course.
In such situation it is good to know about where to find a safe shelter.
I think now that it is wise to rest with comments, and see how this goes. At least stop giving comments for ome row, that means about 20 articles, for a start, so it will be more obvious who are spammer helpers, supporters and providers, and who are not. We will soon see if this works.
My advice is: Let the spammers spam alone for some time and leave them to be taken care of by the administrators... Many frie
 
MrK   4/24/2008 2:49 PM
14 .  The last month I cannot remember at all I have written under
other initials than MrK. But if so what is the problem? If you are the brain behind this devasting situation here at this site and you have been acting for ten months may be, what is the problem with my initials to try to do something with this bad situation? Do you not bear to be near a grandfather who care for people, so leave from here, that is simple. In the long run you will fail anyhow, in some way or other. And may be you manage to spam my computer again, so the others don''t see me active here? Anyhow, you will fail in your evil mission, if you are the leader spammer. I asure you.
 
MrK   4/24/2008 2:12 PM
15 .  Not me, I assure you, invisible Mr , here you are not right.
who are you then?
 
MrK   4/24/2008 1:57 PM
16 .  MrK
I remember what you are talking about very well..I was here during that time..I saw where they used your initials and at one time, they used my name to post nasty things to confuse people, and it was very confusing..You are very right about people using different names in posting.I have seen them do it..Thank you for all that you have said and I do understand
 
Diana   4/24/2008 1:53 PM
17 .  cont.
That''s why this is a place right now where I can trust nobody, because someone can use the initials of others as they like, and in the hands of evildoers this is bad. So everybody has to take care of themselves and judge by themselves, I only say my opinion. And I add: I am here as long as God wants me, when He tells me to leave or to be silent, I will try to follow His guidance, as best I can. And if He wants me to write something, I also will try to do that, hopefully. That''s why I answer: Sorry, Diana, you are getting from me no promise at all.
 
MrK   4/24/2008 1:42 PM
18 .  The problem is
that people who write here may write under different initials. I for my self have been open about when I have done so, and I have told under which initials I have written as well. I did this in a shorter period in a difficult situation for this site where I had confrontations with people like Moshiach Rebekah Norway, Palestine Husband, Ezekiel and many more, and my impression was that one person wrote all the time much of the stuff given under different initials, also using the initials belonging to friends of mine who I had a good relationship to before, and suddenly all were confusing and abusing everyone, after my impression, like probably also was the goal for this person or this group of persons, and it looked like someone used this site like a play station abusing and harming as much as he could manage to. I have much more I could tell, but I will not do that here now. Time will show what will happen. I can promise nothing. That''s why this is a place right now where I can trust nobody, because someone
 
MrK   4/24/2008 1:39 PM
19 .  MrK
MrK, I have a lot of respect for you..You, have good wisdom and I will give you the month of rest you request..But, I do ask a favor of you..If you ever see me acting this way again please let me know
 
Diana   4/24/2008 1:20 PM
20 .  What is right and what is wrong?
The group of people whom has written here for months in a way that makes others confused, what should they do?
Listen to an advice or not?
Who have the right to write here? Everybody have. That do not mean that we shall stay and act here like we stay in our own house and our own sitting room. This is an official site for people from all over the world who are interested in what this site serve. Why shall a small group act to be so important that everybody else is brushed and pushed away? This I do not understand.
 
MrK   4/24/2008 1:13 PM
21 .  MrK
I do understand what you mean..And you are right..But, is it wrong to write under the articles about what is pertaining to those articles?
 
Diana   4/24/2008 1:07 PM
22 .  cont.
do not come back acting in the equal way like before and repeat your nonsense rabbling as one man and woman alike twaddle system spamming idioty. Please. Let it be. Follow the example of Christine Gill: Do sign out, please. Now.
 
MrK   4/24/2008 12:55 PM
23 .  Yes, and this shows a complexity situation for this web site
Not for the staff writers share, but for all these comment givers nonsense self focused rubbish served on a poisoned plate for anyone and everyone to eat, seekers and believers and all types you can imagine. My pain and sorrow is for all these persons all over the world who may want to visit this site. As it works right now it is not good for anything other than giving (and sharing in spreading) confusion. Friends of this site do not behave like you who have written under this article do, after my opinion. If you are friends, where have you left your hearts? And to what do you use your brain capacity? This I do not understand.
My advice is, since you have not been able to give any, stop this writing like this here at this site right now, give it a rest at least for one month, let people like Palestine Husband and Moshiach Rebekah Norway show their foolishness alone, it is enough for the administrator to handle. Not you too, that is too much. And after the well deserved rest ( for others here, I mean), do n
 
MrK   4/24/2008 12:53 PM
24 .  Mrk..What is it that you want?
Do you wish that none of us say anything at all?
 
Diana   4/24/2008 12:37 PM
25 .  MrK
You know what MrK, you are absolutely correct, and I am just as guilty as the rest. Thank you. Signing out now.
 
Christine Gill   4/24/2008 11:05 AM
26 .  What a nonsense!!!
All these comments are more well placed in the rubbish can!!
Who can bear to stay in a group like this??? They must be foolish or having found nothing to do. and weks after weeks, months after months like this, not only under ONE article but (almost) everywhere!!!
Shame on you drawing focus on yourselves and only spamming this site with rubbish like this 276 comments saying NOTHING!!!
 
MrK   4/24/2008 9:37 AM
27 .  Ezekiel
Please be more specific in your objections to my post to you.
 
Christine Gill   4/24/2008 9:00 AM
28 .  Joyce W
Hello Joyce, I''m sorry you had such a bad day and please accept my condolences. I know what you''re saying, even though you know your aunts have now gone home to be with the Lord, It''s still upsetting. I pray for God''s healing and peace to surround you.
It''s always seems that when we are most vulnerable, the evil one attacks. Keep your armour on, your shield in place and stand my love. Let the Lord lead you and rest under His wing.
You know, sometimes we, who call ouselves christian people can hurt each other more than the unbelievers can. I don''t know why, perhaps we get a little too full of ourselves at times.
Joyce, I''m no longer fooled either.
May God bless you and bring comfort to you sister. In christian love.
 
Christine Gill   4/24/2008 8:57 AM
29 .  To Diana
Hi Diana, I knew the answer, to my question. I was just trying, to see, if Ezekiel would be convicted, by the Holy Spirit to be honest enough, to admit the truth of his spiteful, and hurtful ways. But he obviously is not. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   4/24/2008 8:01 AM
30 .  To Ezekiel
This isn''t the first time, that you have done this sort of thing. I''ve just overlooked it, but I''m tired of doing that. I was honest about certain things that''s happened in my life, and about my daughter, and my concern for her salvation. And even though, I figured, that unbelievers might would use these things against me, to try to, hurt me. I never expected it, from someone who claims, to be a Believer in Christ. It''s wrong, and I''m telling you, as the scripture says.
 
Joyce W   4/24/2008 6:56 AM
31 .  To Christine Gill (cont.)
And it was very painful, to my arm, the way my arm, had to be positioned. And then, I come home, and get on the computer to see, that Ezekiel is playing dumb, to my comment to him. But, he''s not fooling me, he knows exactly who, and what, I''m talking about, and it''s not FRANK, or David. It''s about his enjoyment of, knowing someones wounded heart, and rubbing salt in the wound. God bless you, and your family.
 
Joyce W   4/24/2008 6:21 AM
32 .  David: fruit of the spirit?

 
Wisdom   4/24/2008 6:17 AM
33 .  Joyce my dear sister
There is so much miss communication with Christine G. on what I wrote to you about being hurt and how I preceived your question. I wrote it in the realm of how I felt about hurt and how I feel it is with God and me. Now, with clearity let me say, if some one has offend you (hurt), go to them and tell them as the scriptures tell us. If that person recognizes what they''ve done they WILL NOT CONTINUE in THAT offence to you, this is true repentance and this is what God demands from us. And whether they repent or not it is required by God for us to forgive them, even if they are evil to us.
Hope this helped you and Christine also. This is what is commanded by God. Shalom my sister
 
Ezekiel   4/24/2008 6:07 AM
34 .  To Christine Gill
Hi Christine, thank you so much, for your kind words of comfort, about my comment to Ezekiel. I''m sorry, it''s taken so long for me to respond to your comment, but it''s been a really sad, and long day. I received a call last night, that my Aunt who has been ill for quite a while, was going to be taken off of life support today. And of course, I went to the hospital with my family, to give our love and support, to my cousin, and her family, and to say our goodbye''s to our Aunt. We just lost another Aunt last week, she died in her sleep. So I guess, I''m feeling a little down, but not for them, because I know, that they are with the Lord, and that their suffering is over, and that we will be together again soon. But it still hurts, when someone you love dies, and two, in less than two weeks, is a lot to handle. And then, I still had to go and get, that MRI, which at this point, was the last thing I felt like doing, but it had to be done. And it was very painful, to my arm, the way my arm, had to be positione
 
Joyce W   4/24/2008 6:07 AM
35 .  Christine Gill
First of all you aren''t understanding what was written. Read it again. And I forgive you for your offense speaking to me in the way you have. Do I need an apology from you...No, I don''t.
Most of what I write on here is either taken wrong, like Galations for example. What I wrote to Joyce is also taken wrong by you, because you prehaps read it too fast. Do I need an apology from you, No I don''t. If you are truly repentant of what you''ve done you will correct it and go forward in Christ. Amen
Shalom my sister.
 
Ezekiel   4/24/2008 5:43 AM
36 .  Jake
Yes, I am glad that it was cleared up as well..And, its ok..things happen, I know that I too have blundered from time to time : ) ..It was very sweet of you to come to my defense and I appreciate what you did..I pray that Lara will not let what some say get to her too bad..Its hard though not too..Words hurt so bad and can do so much damage..All we can do is forgive and not let them burrow in us to fester..
 
Diana   4/24/2008 4:37 AM
37 .  IT''S POST 25!!!!!!
The posts change by one number as the board is added to ... I just added to it.... of course!
Hey -now don''t tell me I''ll be strung up for this blunder too....!!!
 
Jake   4/24/2008 2:27 AM
38 .  Correction/ POST23

 
Jake   4/24/2008 2:21 AM
39 .  WISDOM - Post 22 /Good one!!!
Is spontaneous laughter OK?

That is priceless!
Especially with a name like yours!

Pearls of Wisdom eh!
 
Jake   4/24/2008 2:17 AM
40 .  Diana!.... Lara
Hi Diana!
Glad we got that one cleared up with Christine... sorry for the blunder.! At the time I acted from pure motives as The Lord knows . It''s good that you are not leaving the forums although one could appreciate and respect anyone''s decision to do that.
Lara - dry your tears dear sister... though they are well spent in resulting from a grieved spirit over such attitudes. You have a right to be angry and to express it-
in the same sense that Paul said

'''' Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm..God will reward him!''''

Rest in the Lord , Lara, and in the fellowship of those who know His Love .As Diana has just said there are many genuine people here.
Hey.. it''s good pracitice for the persecutions ahead eh!!
SMILE Jesus loves you!!
 
Jake   4/24/2008 2:07 AM
41 .  LARA
I am sorry for the misunderstanding..But at that time I was so angry and upset at him that I was afraid to add anymore to that postings other than leaving .Lara, he does that often..I have seen those postings where out of the blue he starts talking about others and putting them down..He starts the fights and gets the anger of people going..He seems to like the strive and feeding on anger
 
Diana   4/24/2008 1:45 AM
42 .  Diana
Diana.. I am very glad you are not leaving . the forums.
We misunderstood you due to the title of your post saying ....
''Leaving''
At least we won''t get verbally abused ,accused and strung up for THAT too!
I previously decided on the same response as you and told David Kaus to refrain from communicting with me further. I stand by it too.
He still carried on talking about me to one of his ''friends'' trying to make himself appear righteous to the forum! Some gentlman! I thank God for the likes of Ralph.& Ben and Jake& Ezekiel etc. These are the calibre of the men who advance the Kingdom of God .
 
LARA   4/24/2008 1:35 AM
43 .  Lara
I know my friend..I too was in tears today and than the answer came to me as it came to you as to what was wrong..It all this bitterness and hatred that we are feeling from these conversations..You can actually feel the hate in some of these postings..I am going to try to be strong and not let it happen again..There are so many nice people on these forums that actually care about others..And, not just the few that is in their "circles"..
 
Diana   4/24/2008 1:27 AM
44 .  Diana
Thanks Diana.. I am in tears here... I am really grieved on my spirit. I am not easily provoked but there IS a time for righteous anger.
You can almost HEAR the venom coming from those two awful persons. I include the other one because I have been reading the boards over the past few weeks trying to identify the source of the uncomfortable climate here.. THEY are the source of it! They are constantly on their soap box stirring up a storm. They flatter some and insult the rest . Then they DENY any fault even though it is crystal clear as you can look back and read their abusive words!
Tonight it is unbearable ! I could picture them to be rubbing their hands with glee and screaming out for the mob to string Jake up and the rest of us who disagree with their views alongside him .CULTISH!
 
LARA   4/24/2008 1:19 AM
45 .  No Ralph
He has not driven me away from here, he has driven me away from him..I no longer will allow him to engage me in any kind of nastiness, bitterness or any negative feelings again..I do forgive him but BUT, I shake the dust off my feet of him..
 
Diana   4/24/2008 1:11 AM
46 .  Hi Jake... Got my gas mask on here bro!
I agree with your earlier post re ending communication with the wolf element . However I will not stand by and allow my fellow Christians to be so wantonly abused on this site . Jake you were commendable in thinking to defend Diana.. anyone can see how you thought as you did ! Gotta smile eh!
The evil venom of David Kaus is in a different category altogether...
LARA you have just exemplified it and I applaud your disgust of him
.HE SURE IS THE HYPOCRITE.!
He has now driven DIANA away. And next he spews his venom towards ANGELA ... Well that is because of his hatred of her spiritual discernment and capacity to expose his evil meddling nature. Vile man!
 
Ralph   4/24/2008 12:57 AM
47 .  Lara
Sometimes, its best to let things just slide away..I will for one not let his bitterness nor his spitefull ways ever pull me down to his level again..I left it behind...People are known by their fruits and how they walk and talk..It shows, believe me it shows and others see it as well..
 
Diana   4/24/2008 12:47 AM
48 .  David E Kaus
Thank you David for your prayers and you kind words. Believe me, once upon a time I would have gone for the throat. God is doing a work in me and I give Him all the glory. Without meaning to sound self righteous, I choose NOT to take offence and God is giving me His perfect peace. Be blessed by God dear brother.
 
Christine Gill   4/24/2008 12:46 AM
49 .  WOLF!
How wicked you are David Kaus!
Who are YOU to criticise Jake or Angela.??? I KNOW YOU. I was the woman you abused with your nasty spiteful and hurtful remarks...
WILL YOU APOLOGISE TO ME?
I have observed very well over the past few weeks and you have offended many christians BUT NEVER ONCE HAD THE GRACE TO APOLOGISE when they challenged you on it.
And now you are slobbering at the jaws like a demented wolf waiting to devour JAKE over a perfectly simple misunderstanding!
YOU HYPOCRITE!!
 
LARA   4/24/2008 12:31 AM
50 .  Jake
Yes I do understand with the posts following the way they did. I accept your apology and thank you. Let''s now move on.
Shalom
 
Christine Gill   4/24/2008 12:29 AM
51 .  Christine.
I am speaking to YOU here.
I have just now come on line since this afternoon and I have just now read these posts.
Your explanation is accepted and I offer you my apology for the misunderstanding.
I hope you can appreciate how it occurred especially in this toxic climate. It was unfortunate that your post followed Diana''s in that way . I am sorry. Jake.
 
Jake   4/24/2008 12:18 AM
52 .  Diana
Hello Diana: You seem to think that anything and everything said by those you agree with is perfectly OK. Well it isn''t OK. I pointed that out to you in my posting of Jake''s accusations of Christine. You could have chosen to ask him to correct his statement here, but you didn''t. Instead you took opportunity to lash out again against me. How unfortunate. Christine Gill has treated you, and everyone else very respectfully. If nothing else you owe it to her to have an apology issued. I never have said that I haven''t made a mistake. That is a little overreaction on your part. If the accuser has any decency whatsoever, he will see he owes Christine Gill an apology, and will center his apology to her, and leave it at that. This incident was not precipitated by me, but by a false accuser, who claims to be righteous. Shalom, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/24/2008 12:01 AM
53 .  Jake
I cannot explain in detail, that would be up to Joyce. A remark was made previously that had hurt Joyce because it touched on something close to Joyce''s heart. I recognised the hurt in her posting and was trying to uplift her hence my first posting to her, later adding a PS. Unfortunately this second posting fell right behind the one from Diana. Although it might look as if it was meant for Diana, it wasn''t, as i''ve already told you and Diana.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 11:49 PM
54 .  Wolves on the prowl
The two wolves in sheep''s clothing are on the prowl tonight.

Your remarks in particular,
David Kaus
ARE NOW EVIL IN NATURE.
THE MORE YOU SOW THE WIND THE MORE YOU WILL REAP THE WHIRLWIND.
You stand condemned out of your own mouth for the way you have just slandered Angela, a godly woman and sister in Christ.
'' THE LORD REBUKE YOU''
 
Jake   4/23/2008 11:45 PM
55 .  Ezekiel
Just read your posting to Joyce. I was brought up to always apologise when in the wrong and find that this teaching has always stood me in good stead. It''s not always easy to apologise because it''s a humbling experience but is a way of expressing sorrow for an action or words that are hurtful or wrong. God does tell us to forgive and has also given us the gift of repentance. Don''t you think that apologising also adds to a persons integrity?
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 11:38 PM
56 .  Christine Please be more specific
Christine, Excuse me- but I fail to see how your explanation qualifies your use of that remark.
Please explain it to me.
Diana replied to a question asked by Joyce - and your post followed it saying.......
'' recognise where that fiery dart came from''.
If you can explain to me how that related to your previous post, I will cetainly apologise for my mistake. What precisely were you referring to as ''THAT FIERY DART''?
 
Jake   4/23/2008 11:34 PM
57 .  Christine Gill
Hello Christine: Your are certainly welcome dear sister. Can I say that your prayers mean very much to me, and I am sure others will tell you the same thing. You have done nothing but reach out to these people in the Love of Jesus Christ. You have also taken the time to try to help them with Scripture, and understanding it correctly. For this you have been treated in a most disrrespectful manner, and called absurd by Angela for your insightful pre trib exposition. What a callous, absurd person Angela shows herself in all her utterance. Now they have a chance to practice what they preach, and call one of their own to repentance for his false accusations against you. The " lack of wisdom person," can also join in here and gain some much needed wisdom. Keep on growing and maturing in Jesus Christ sister, you are an encouragement to all of us. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/23/2008 11:28 PM
58 .  But..the fruit of the Spirit..is love,joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control...AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW.
Let us not become vainglorious and self-conceited, competitive and challenging and provomking and irritating to one another, envying and being jealous of one another."
 
BKN   4/23/2008 10:32 PM
59 .  "But I say, walk and live habitually in the Spirit..
..then you will not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are opposed to the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are opposed to the flesh. Now the doings of the flesh are clear:
immorality, impurity, indecency: Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, andger, selfishness, divisions, party spirit, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies: envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like."
 
BKN   4/23/2008 10:29 PM
60 .  And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God.
Let all bitternees and indignation and wrath and resentment and quarreling and slander be banished from you, with all malice. And become useful and helpful and kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave you.
 
BKN   4/23/2008 10:24 PM
61 .  Frank/David
please let us know what church you belong to so we make sure we don''t go there!
 
Wisdom   4/23/2008 10:09 PM
62 .  PS FRANK & David
Much Christian love to you
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 10:09 PM
63 .  FRANK & David E Kaus
Thanks for your prayers Frank and know that both of you and your families are in my prayers. I pray that God will surround you with His Peace. I was just reading BKN''s post again 4/23/2008 4:17pm. That lady speaks pure pearls of wisdom.
God bless you both and Shalom
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 9:56 PM
64 .  Joyce #3
we are to forgive them and seek God to help us find a peace towards them, and true forgiveness. This is God''s way and pleases God with us. I am human still and I have allowed Frank to arouse me to anger and I have repented before God, I have no need to repent before Frank, because I let him arouse my anger therefore it is my sin against God. and should Frank have heart to be a true brother on this site, instead of a trouble maker/slandering gossiping soul and want to be socialible I''d speak to him in a second...that''s forgiveness. What God expects from us all. Amen hoped this helped you with hurting others, they should forgive the person who does it regarless whether that person apologizes...A requirement for those that have been given the holy spirit and follow in the commands of God.
 
Ezekiel   4/23/2008 9:19 PM
65 .  Joyce #2
And David is with Frank in this doctrines that come from where ever they get them, and they have anger at everyone who doesn''t agree with them. Tell me, is it right for Frank to continually slander me with untruths, every chance he gets to you and others? God speaks to me, Frank, if he is of God doesn''t have to accept that but to come and call me a prophet, or even a false prophet, is not in line with God''s word. He tries to ridicule me, and doesn''t seem to understand that God can do what ever He wants with who ever He wants. If Frank is of God his actions are not appropriate, it hurts me, but I forgive him, and I don''t need a public apology from him, because I know the love of God. I have been kind in not saying things to him about his false doctrinal beliefs he and David have, but now I ask for them to produce their source and they, knowing themselves to be what they are, won''t produce because they''re afraid of being exposed for what they truly are. So, being hurt by a professing brother/sister
 
Ezekiel   4/23/2008 9:11 PM
66 .  Joyce
My sister, the question is vague for me that your asking about hurting another. The word of God, is very powerful, when Christ spoke it offended the many because of wrong doctrines they had been taught by the Pharisees. These people were hurt from the words spoken. The Apostles spoke the word and some in the church tried to teach differently. Hurt and anger happened. To stand firm in one''s belief is not sin if that''s what you believe. The problem going on on this site is that Frank and David in their understanding have hurt many people on this site. They are tired of it and it''s not of God. Frank for example with me would not except my saying to call it a truce and walk in forgivness, he wanted a public apology which showed me instantly he is not sincere. No public apology is needed between brethren if they are sincere, their actions towards each other will demonstrate it. I have been offended that Frank is not sincere in trying to be a brother in Christ in sincerity towards me and others. Next pos
 
Ezekiel   4/23/2008 8:59 PM
67 .  Leaving
May YAHWEH bless each and every one of you...
 
Diana   4/23/2008 8:32 PM
68 .  David E Kaus
You know David, your postings are so bitter...You took what I said and twisted it..I thanked Jake because it was sweet of him..Yes, he was mistaken about what Christine wrote..And I take it YOU never make mistakes?? WOW !!!! Christine was able to correct what Jake said in a very nice way and she let me know..That is all that matters..A mistake was made on the part of someone''s views and it was corrected ..Peroid..I think there are quite a few nice people on this forum..I may not always agree with what they say, but they are very nice, sweet people. and I respect what they say and them..You my dear man are not one of them..I tell you what ails me..It ails me to go to this forum and anytime there is a post from you, in those post you accuse others of so many things..You start the fights, you start the bickering...Just like now David..This matter should of stopped when Christine said what she said and when I had let her know that it was ok and that I undertood..But, you didn''t..Instead you had..HAD to stir it
 
Diana   4/23/2008 8:16 PM
69 .  What I have seen here
now is not something good, it is bad, and many comment givers here are not caretakers at all. This comment row site has become a poisoned area, which I right now have to warn from going into.
As this is working here right now it is better just to stay away for honest seekers and believers, after my opinion, and I am sorry to say so. It is not menthally or spiritually healthy to read all these comments or to join into this discussion with this group of people at present writing here. After my opinion this group of comment givers is only sharing in together to produce something as I regard as a disaster to this site, sorry to say. And this is bad, because I also believe that these people do this by purpose intended to damage something good, worthy and important. They can only be able to go on as long as God allows them, and He is the only One to judge, and He will in His time in His way, for sure.
 
MrK   4/23/2008 7:33 PM
70 .  FRANK
Hello Frank: Thank you for your prayers for all of us. I am sure your and your family are always in ours. Notice the posting by a person who calls himself Jake, at 3:08 p.m. of 4/23/08. He has no idea what he is talking about, and falsely accuses Christine Gill of something she never intended. Then goes on to rebuke who knows what, in his own name !!! When he is corrected by Christine about his evil surmising, there is no apology on his part to Christine. Doesn''t that just about sum up what he and the others are all about. Diana even thanks Jake for his hostile, and false accusation of Christine, instead of asking him to correct his error. What may I ask is sweet, about an arrogant, false accusation. There needs to be a complete realigning of their mind, and a deliverance from what ails them. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/23/2008 6:10 PM
71 .  Christine
Thank you Christine..While it was very sweet of Jake to do what he did for me, I could not understand what it was I had said ,to cause any problems or hurt to Joyce..
 
Diana   4/23/2008 5:02 PM
72 .  Diana
I understood what you meant and I''m sure Joyce will too, and you are correct, the answer is in us. My comment about fiery darts was not aimed at you, I don''t do snide.
God bless.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 4:36 PM
73 .  Christine Gill, Charles and Joyce W....
David E. Kaus, Bkn and all who want to hear! It seems on this page, there are those who seem to want to rebuke and condemn in their arrogance, instead of edifying and building up the body of Christ. I would remind them of what Jesus said to his disciples: "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." and again, "And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? BUT HE TURNED, AND REBUKED THEM, AND SAID, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN''S LIVES, BUT TO SAVE THEM." (emphasis mine)
We can share God''s word not force it. I appreciate each one I have mentioned above and pray for you and know you pray for me and my family.
God bless you all in Christ Jesus our Saviour
 
FRANK   4/23/2008 4:20 PM
74 .  Please remember we don''t war against flesh and blood...
..the fiery darts are quenched by the Lord''s Spirit...and are from Satan''s spirits.
So, we can stand against them, not run from them, fortunately...because they keep coming.
This is a spiritual warfare, and those who belong to Jesus Christ are the victors!!
The change comes in us..because we cannot change the enemy.
 
BKN   4/23/2008 4:17 PM
75 .  Thank you Jake
I did not mean anything bad about what I said to Joyce..I promise I did not..Its just that some of the questions that we ask, we have the answers inside of us..All we have to do is ask..Its there written inside of our hearts..
 
Diana   4/23/2008 3:59 PM
76 .  Jake
You are on the wrong track. That comment was not aimed at Diana. If I have anything to say to anyone, I can assure you I will without making snide comments.
The PS to Joyce was a continuation of my earlier posting to her.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 3:49 PM
77 .  Diana
re ''''fiery dart''''

I rebuke that comment
on your behalf Diana
and deflect it towards the wind!
 
Jake   4/23/2008 3:08 PM
78 .  Hey Lara!
It is so good to hear from you again on these boards.
Please stay! You are among friends here.
[ see Proverbs 21:2 and take courage]
Your input is valuable and much appreciated .Although I didn''t get a chance to communicate with you directly re your account of the Rapture I was impressed with the quality and depth of your understanding of the scriptures. Shalom rav... Angela
 
Angela   4/23/2008 1:27 PM
79 .  PS Joyce W
Recognise Joyce where that fiery dart came from and contine to stand. Use the sword of the spirit where necessary. Use it wisely. This is not a preaching to you my love, just a reminder.
May God''s peace be with you.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 1:24 PM
80 .  Joyce, you have the answer to your question inside you

 
Diana   4/23/2008 1:19 PM
81 .  sorry mis-spelt your name

 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 1:18 PM
82 .  Thank you Angels I''ll do that.

 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 1:17 PM
83 .  Christine
www.word from yerushalaim.com

You may be interested in looking up the above site Christine.
There is currently a massive Temple replica being contructed opposite The Western Wall in Jerusalem.
 
Angela   4/23/2008 1:08 PM
84 .  Joyce W
Joyce my love, keep your armour on. My prayers are with you as I know I have yours. Remember God knows the heart. Use your shield of faith Joyce. God will answer our prayers in His timing. My brother planted the seed in me about 35 years ago. It took many more years before that seed began to grow. In all that time he never stopped praying. God is faithful.
May God richly bless you.
In Christian love.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 1:00 PM
85 .  FRANK
Thanks for your help Frank in the question about the temple and for your reply on the main board. Thought it might be a good idea to keep the discussion of the temple on these boards rather than the main one to avoid causing offence to others.
Be richly blessed by God brother
In Christian love.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 12:13 PM
86 .  Good advice/ over and out!
Some good advice is
Hold your peace Joyce. & take on board the wisdom of Angela''s reply to you yesterday aswell as your own advice below.
As far as I am concerned.....
REPROOF by THE WORD OF GOD was required here and has been delivered.
Either take it on board or carry on as you were.... but you will be yelling at the wind.
God WILL address it.
 
Jake   4/23/2008 11:22 AM
87 .  And some good advices are?

 
MrK   4/23/2008 11:12 AM
88 .  And so we are back where we started, right?

 
MrK   4/23/2008 10:32 AM
89 .  BKN
Your comments hit to the heart with truth and wisdom. Thank you.
 
Christine Gill   4/23/2008 10:22 AM
90 .  To Ezekiel
Hi Ezekiel, I hope your doing well. I haven''t had a very good day myself. But there''s something, I''d like to ask your opinion about. What do you think, about a person who is supposed to be a Believer in Jesus Christ, but yet, they deliberately use things against another Believer in Jesus Christ, that they know will hurt them.
 
Joyce W   4/23/2008 5:34 AM
91 .  It isn''t difficult to detect the sides, either on Israel''s..
..or the Muslim''s side in this war coming. Both sides claim God..actually, all Nations in one way or other claim God...but God is everywhere, and it all belongs to Him...and all are "scrapping" for their place in His kingdom.
So it is on this site. All claiming that they know God, and that they are..."right". God only knows who is who, and it isn''t the one with muscle. The just live by faith. A newborn believer...lives by faith, not by long experience or knowledge...but hearing Jesus VOICE and following Him.
 
BKN   4/23/2008 4:43 AM
92 .  Christine USA
girl, haven''t heard from you today...Have you got another from Tel avi? The weather here in the Santa Clarita Mountains are spectaular and weather 76. We have eaten at a great Jewish Rest. near by that my son loves. Life is good with the many blessings from God upon our family. Three children all baptized and their mates are following, gives an inner peace of happiness that I am so thankful to the Lord for calling them. Your children seem dedicated to God also. Isn''t it great?
 
Ezekiel   4/23/2008 4:17 AM
93 .  To David E Kaus
Hi David, I hope your doing well. My shoulder and arm, has been giving me a fit today. And the weather here has been great. Too bad, I can''t enjoy it! But anyway, I just have to think about, how things could be a lot worse, to keep things in perspective. And I agree, I''m not going to answer, anymore of their comments. I just wanted to answer, that one, so there was no misunderstanding of my feelings. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   4/23/2008 12:21 AM
94 .  David E. Kaus
Hi David, how was your day driving the bus? When I was living in Israel, I loved going to Jerusalem. I visited all those places and would like to be back there. I think its probably harder to go up on the Temple Mount today than when I was there. I''ve got to dig up my old topographical maps and look up some things to answer Christine''s question.
Have a good evening and God bless
 
FRANK   4/23/2008 12:15 AM
95 .  Make it number 4 now

 
Diana   4/22/2008 11:33 PM
96 .  FRANK
Hello Frank Did you ever get to visit the Temple Mount when you were in Israel ? How about the western tunnel, and the Temple Institute where the Temple garmets, and vessels are ? Woofie is still barking his brains out, it''s time to feed him a biscuit to calm him down. Take care and God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/22/2008 11:31 PM
97 .  Jloyce W.
Hello Joyce: How is the shoulder doing ? What is the weather like now down south, or have you become a northerer ? I have to agree with you they are a sad crew, but leave it sister, there are much better things to do by far. Have you ever seen anything constructive in any of their post to anyone.? The weather here has been in the high 70''s, and the blossoms are breaking forth all over the place. It is like suddenly life has emerged from the winter season. It is a great time of the year. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/22/2008 11:04 PM
98 .  Frank/David Have you nothing to back up
your special knowledge of the feast day''s meanins? You want to be well known and recognized by me and others that your knowledge is great and perfect. So, what''s the problem with writing where you got it from, for I''ve never seen it in the bible and you post it like it''s truth.
Shame on you 1) for not saying were you got it from 2) trying to be teachers on here and your not fit to be, because you teach things not written in the word. Amen
 
Ezekiel   4/22/2008 10:43 PM
99 .  You are welcome Christine Gill I am just speaking the truth

 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 10:34 PM
100 .  Thank you Joyce W that was kind.

 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 10:22 PM
101 .  To MrK
I would like to say, that Christine Gill, is a very nice person, and Believer of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. And if you, would just give yourself, a chance to know her, I know, you will see, that for yourself. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 10:15 PM
102 .  To MrK I''m really sorry that you don''t find my comments help

 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 9:59 PM
103 .  Sorry Christine Gill, your comments is NOT helping at all.

 
MrK   4/22/2008 9:44 PM
104 .  To MrK
I''m certainly not attacking you. Maybe you are feeling sick and discouraged because of the contention on the site over the last couple of days. something like this is very sad and if you are a sensitive person it will affect your feelings. You have every right to be here and also to fight for what is good and pure and spiritually healthy both physically and mentally. If anyone is unkind to you, try not to react to it but to be calm and pray for that person instead. I know this isn''t always easy but it''s something we all have to learn to do. I hop this helps you.
God bless you and shalom.
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 9:38 PM
105 .  Thank you Joyce W.
For you care. I don''t know what you mean by changes in my life.
What i know is that I have been open and shared from my heart here at this site also from my life. and I am still open to do that. But here is some attitudes and habits I do not like develloping, because I care for the persons visiting this site to read and learn something. They must be very confused of the comments given, and some active persons do not seem to care about communicating in a normal way. That is my concern because I care for people in general, the humble ones, the seekers for truth the needy. Here they find poison, not pure, healty food, and some active here are taking others place and are writing the same nonsense on and on everywhere. What point does that make, other than they are selfish, blind and not caring for others? And when they have some questions about their attitudes and behavior they are reacting in a abusing way. This I do not like.
 
MrK   4/22/2008 9:38 PM
106 .  To MrK
How are you, feeling today? Do you remember me, telling you a while back, how I thought, you were a very thoughtful, and caring person, and that you only care about the best interest of others? And It''s apparent, that something has happened, and it seems, you are going through some changes in your life. But, I still feel, the same way about you, as I did before. You were my friend then, and I hope, you still are.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 9:21 PM
107 .  A desire to speak together about the impending events coming
to Israel, and to the World is cause for those who belong to Jesus Christ to encourage one another, not blame and expect another to give something that God may not be.l
Talking of "poison"? Remember the Apostle Paul was bitten by a poisonous snake. There is NOTHING that can be said or done to ANY of us the Lord does not allow, and if it hurts us, HE IS THE ONE TO HEAL US. In all things, we turn to Him!!
 
BKN   4/22/2008 9:08 PM
108 .  Our number one need is God Himself.
His Spirit is our Comforter, our Councellor, our Hope, our Strength, our Peace, our Master and Lord.
There can be no substitute or any human that can do what He can, and must do IN and FOR us.
 
BKN   4/22/2008 9:04 PM
109 .  Answer 1: To Christine Gill.
I understand nothing of what you write to me. I do see no advice.

My reaction is as follows:
Your way of communicating to (and not with) me makes me feel unfamiliar, attacked in a gentle-like confusing abusing-like way, feeling discouraged, not so much confused, but not well, sad and not good, but I don''t feel sick, and I do not feel nearly to vomit-like.
Is this reaction of mine over-reaction feelings not understandable to anyone here at this site? If so I feel poisoned, knowing not what I am here for unless it is that I shall be here because of myself and my brethren, fighting for what I think is good, pure and healthy spiritually and menthally. By the guidance of the Holy Spirit, hopefully.
 
MrK   4/22/2008 8:46 PM
110 .  Amen Stand Up, And It Makes Me Sad, Satan Is Winning.

 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 8:43 PM
111 .  To Christine Gill
Hi Christine, my day so far, hasn''t been very good, but I hope, you''ve had good day. And I saw the question, that you posted earlier to David, and FRANK, it is a very interesting question. I don''t have any input, that I can give, but Charles probably does. I''ll tell him about it, when he gets home from work. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 8:24 PM
112 .  Divide, and conquer. Satans great weapon against christians.

 
Stand Up   4/22/2008 8:17 PM
113 .  To MrK
You are welcome to post with me any time you like. I am more than happy to discuss with you. One thing I don''t like is contention. A healthy debate about scriptual areas with courtesy and politness is fine with me. I like what you said in your posting re''And who else can Judge a believer except the Holy Spirit'' of God. Sometimes it''s ok for us to use Godly judgement especially in our faith. I think God would expect us to do that don''t you?
God bless you
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 8:06 PM
114 .  Hello Joyce W
Hope you had a good day today and all is well with you and yours. I posted a question earlier to David and Frank concerning a study of the coming temple. I would be grateful if you and Charles have any input. Please feel free to post any thoughts you have.
Keep looking up and be blessed by God.
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 7:52 PM
115 .  What wisecan be said in a plate with poisoned food?
Not much.
My be ask for your advices to me as ap erson who you seem to have so much intersest, love and care for. I seem to get so much privileges here by so many!!
Now: You are welcomed to give me your advices and care here and now. Please. You are herebu welcomed. May be I even bear to give some of all of the sheep and wolves flock answer as well, not very much overreacting ones, I mean, if I do not feel too dizzy, crazy, confused, dismissed, discouraged, unfamiliar and sick nearly wanting to vomit-like afterwards. Who knows what is in a mans heart except the spirit of the man? And who else can Judge a believer except the Holy Spirit? and this web site is NO congregation, is it, as someone try to give an impression of. It is an arena for different spirits to meet, isn''t it? Or what?
 
MrK   4/22/2008 7:50 PM
116 .  To David E Kaus
Hello David, All is well with me , I trust it is with you also. Enjoy your bike ride later and your visit with your Dad. Only a short walk today, I took advantage of the good weather and gardened instead.
Don''t let the study take you away from your projects David, there''s no rush. I was going to ask you before but decided to wait until we got off the main board. I look forward to your input and thank you for your time.
Keep looking up brother.
May God richly bless you.
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 7:46 PM
117 .  To Angela and her friends
The only nasty retorts I see are coming from all of you. Just take a look at all of your comments and see how sad they really are.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 6:56 PM
118 .  Christine Gill
Hello Christine: How are you ? How is the weather and the summer walks with your dog these blossom filled days ? I''ve got the bike ready to go for this evening. The 60 mile jaunt to my dad''s isn''t far off. I''ve said what I had to say about the other post sister, but thanks for the change of direction here and your good wisdom. You brought up a good study. Lets see if we can get at it piece by piece. It may take some time, but I''m sure it will prove very interesting. I''ll try to post something this evening. God Bless you Christine, and thank you for your concern, and kind thoughts toward us. David
 
David E. Kaus   4/22/2008 6:46 PM
119 .  Ralph
I have been following these exchanges with personal interest.
I do not condone contention but I firmly believe that such attitudes in the Church of God should be scriptually challenged.
I have to acknowledge that what you have just said Ralph is entirely true as to what happened to me when I tried to have a discussion with this person. I finally asked him not to communicate with me further after he grossly insulted me in a personal attack.
I was new to the forum. I did not know then that there was an ''incrowd mentality in situ'' but have realised it since. No one spoke up in my defence until Angela and Ben who I think were also new posters arrived. Thankyou both and bless you for your stand for the truth and your focus on the need for Godly attitudes.
 
LARA   4/22/2008 2:09 PM
120 .  DAVID KAUS
You are so deceiving that you believe the lies yourself man!
I read your posts in the past and all the decriptions you now visciously direct at BEN - behind his back of course - describe YOURSELF in awesome detail.
YOU are the guy who takes the words of holy Scripture. [from JOB -among others!] and misuses it to insult other believers.
YOU are the guy who does not conduct a discussion unless the peron is asking you something which flatters your self esteem
YOU are the guy who launches personal attacks on people who disagree with you
and THEN tries to exonerate yourself to the readers of the board by REVERSING the truth in another accusatory diatribe about the brother or sister concerned whilst cunningly pretending to address one of you known supporters.
 
Ralph   4/22/2008 1:44 PM
121 .  Jake
Hello Jake. Bless you brother and I am glad to see you here!
You''ve raised a valid point re the boards being misused!
MrK brought this up but was spitefully shouted down by the perpetrators of this abuse.
Diane has indicated that folk who have been subjected to unchristian attitudes have left these forums .
Your implication rer love is missing is central to all of this. As you indicate and I have to agree with you ... Maybe soon there will be nothing profitable to remain here for.
 
Angela   4/22/2008 12:58 PM
122 .  To Concerned and Wisdom
Hi friends... Thankyou for your posts. For as long as you want to remain here-Use these boards freely to discuss the relevant issues concerning Israel .
We will manage to breathe through the toxic fumes of the backbiting minority and the personal emailing of those who see fit to misuse the boards in that way.
 
Angela   4/22/2008 12:38 PM
123 .  Diane / Ezekiel
DIANE- Bless you.
God will adjudicate for sure.

EZEKIEL- I thank you for your inspirational and loving words of encouragement.You are a tower of strength here- immoveable in the face of hostility and provocation!
The Joy of The Lord is your strong foundation and it is evident in your solid stand for the TRUTH!
Those who are discerning among us are well aware of the jealousy and resentment which fuels the ungodly attitudes and remarks of those who denigrate and mock your words .
You have an anointed ministry brother.
Never allow any man to undermine what God has ordained for you.
 
Angela   4/22/2008 12:29 PM
124 .  cont.. to David & FRANK
part two.
Zech 14:6-9 says when Jesus returns an earthquake will split the Mount of Olives in two along an East-West line that s a great valley through the centre of Jerusalem. A great river fills the valley creating a waterway from the Meditteranean to the Dead Sea. Surely this will destroy the temple Mount and anything standing on it. Not knowing much about the geography of Israel, this has confused me, hence the first part of my question. Can you assist my study please.
God bless you both.
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 12:07 PM
125 .  To David E Kaus and FRANK
In my studies of the end times I''m now looking at the coming temple. I''ve come across something that has me puzzled and wonder if you can assist please.
Dan 9:27, Matt 24:15, 2 Thes 2:4 reveal that a temple will exist in Israel at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Rev 11:1 confirms and describes John measuring a temple. It''s location is the "Holy City". Chapter 11 says the two witnesses preach in the "Great City". The Great City is the place where Jesus was crucified: Jerusalem. Is Jerusalem also the "Holu City?.
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 12:01 PM
126 .  Jake and Angela
I applaude you both..I have seen at least three people leave this forum in the last couple of weeks, due to the back biting, gossiping and just plain meanness of some...Not all walk at the pace as others..We all learn or suppose to daily in our walk with Yahshua..
 
Diana   4/22/2008 11:59 AM
127 .  A Righteous REBUKE!
ANGELA! A well delivered REBUKE and well deserved too!

I would counsel those who are
mis-using these boards as a personal chat room to build up your ungodly circle of influence to STOP it .
But of course you won''t as you are hardened and rebellious of spirit .
Either you will be removed or there will be no anointed discussion on these boards
just '' mouths speaking great swelling words having men''s persons in admiration because of advantage''
Your words exhibit the spirit of wolves in sheeps clothing coming in to harm the flock.
Beware -those of you who think these guys are teachers of a sort... Many false teachers will arise and deceive with flatteries and long winded statements of scriptures .
You will know them by their fruits-
love being the main one !
 
Jake   4/22/2008 11:47 AM
128 .  Joyce
Your misguided loyalty to these persons is clearly influencing your judgment.
No matter what they say, twist or claim to be the case -you will endorse it. That makes you as guilty as they are of mistreating the brethren.
Mr K was NOT over sensitive at all he spoke the truth..... and received the usual nasty retort from D Kaus which you sadly condoned.
 
Angela   4/22/2008 11:14 AM
129 .  David KAUS
You have such audacity to attempt turn around everthing said by BEN a man clearly anointed of GOD to render refproof to you -to make yourselves appear the victims when it is you who are the ones who use verbal abuse such as Foxes in the henhouse, those who hate truth, Haters etc and many more derogatory terms about the saints of GOD. How dare you!
You constantly appeal to the clearly biased group of personal friends and misguided aquaintances to endorse your ungodly words and ways . SHAME on YOU!
 
Angela   4/22/2008 11:05 AM
130 .  To David E Kaus
Hi David, thank you, I appreciate your concern. And I realize, what you are saying, about yours, and FRANKS, and Christines posts, being harshly criticized, and that''s why I commented to Ben and Angela, in the first place. Because I could not understand, why they were getting, so upset with you all. And to try, to let them know, that it is possible to have a difference of opinion, with brothers and sisters in Christ, and still get along, and love, and support each other, as long as, they treat, others with respect. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 5:10 AM
131 .  Joyce W (cont)
Nothing ever prevented him from posting in a decent way to any of us. But his hardened, unforgiving spirit had him lash out till the end, and then try to save face by pointing the finger at others. Till he comes to the point where he can take a good look at himself, and how he deals with people, I wouldn''t expect any constructive exchange with him. That is why we didn''t post to him directly. His negative attitude was very evident. Take care of your shoulder Joyce, and God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/22/2008 2:26 AM
132 .  Joyce W.
Hello Joyce: I am sorry to here about the shoulder and hope everything turns out OK. You know I''ve looked at many of the post here, and have even given them time to sit before responding. Even when post were between myself and Frank, or vice versa, or to another we could post to without getting involved directly with those who arrogantly, and harshly criticized us,we still were attacked with very derogatory remarks, and not one critical analysis of anything we had posted. This just went on and on against us. Christine Gill was called absurd about a very clear post of some sound Scripture. The person now exiting, did nothing but give a condemning judgment against our person, and anything we had said. In his utter blindness, he couldn''t see the total hypocracy of what he himself had posted, that excluded any true christian character. That type of hypocracy isn''t going to fly here or anywhere. He has shown anything but true grace, and refuses to see it.
 
David E. Kaus   4/22/2008 2:16 AM
133 .  Well if Iran foresees a war coming between
Israel and Syria, they probably eill be the first to start one!
 
Joyce S   4/22/2008 1:38 AM
134 .  To David E Kaus
Hi David, I hope, you are doing well. Charles is doing okay, I''m jusy waiting for the MRI, on my shoulder to find out, if I have a Rotator Cuff Tear. And you are right, we live in a rural area, with the woods behind our house. And I am so glad, that we have not let our differences, cause division between us. And that''s just the same way, it is with our son, who is our Pastor. We don''t agree, on the pre-trib, and mid-trib rapture, but we still love each other, and get along. He''s for the pre-trib rapture, although here lately, he has been seeing our side a little bit. So now he says, he''s expecting a pre-trib rapture, but is also, prepared just in case for a mid-trib. And basically, I say the same thing, except backwards, I''m expecting a mid-trib, but praying, for a pre-trib. So in other words, we''ll be ready in either case. As long as, we keep looking for the Lord will be alright. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 1:22 AM
135 .  Ben
Ben, I am sorry that you are leaving this forum..I really did enjoy reading your post..They were very thoughtful and considerate..Something, that one does not find much anymore
 
Diana   4/22/2008 12:49 AM
136 .  To BEN again
Sorry I posted before I realised you were continuing. I will look at the reference you have recommended,and thank you.
God bless Ben.
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 12:43 AM
137 .  To BEN
Hello Ben, Thank you Ben for your post, and yes I do realise that we aren''t in agreement over this issue. In ideal circumstances we would be face to face with the Word of God spread before us, unfortunately we''re not. I respect that you have a different view and feel that you afford me the same respect.
I''m sorry that you are exiting the forum because I''ve enjoyed reading your earlier postings and although we don''t agree on this issue we are in agreement on others. The most important thing we can agree on is the fact that we are believers and one day soon He will bring us into all truth. I''m sorry too that I can''t hear your views. Like you I''m not up for contention.
May God richly bless you Ben.
 
Christine Gill   4/22/2008 12:38 AM
138 .  Wow! Is it safe to post here today?
So much strife and contention!
 
Joyce S   4/22/2008 12:23 AM
139 .  Christine cont
If you want to consider the PRE WRATH view which depicts the Rapture occuring AFTER Satan''sTribulation and immediately before The WRATH of GOD replaces the TRIBULATION - I can commend an excellent book entitled
THE KINGDOM OF HE BEAST AND THE END OF THE WORLD
by JC Alexander. Blessings.
 
BEN   4/22/2008 12:16 AM
140 .  To Christine
Hi Christine, everybody else is doing okay, except for me. Unfortunately, I made things worse, by falling on my arm thanks to my dogs. I didn''t break anything, but I still made the injury worse. So, I''m not getting out much, to enjoy the spring weather. I''ll just be glad, when they do the MRI, so the doctor will know for sure, if it is a Rotator Cuff Tear. And to find out whether, I have to have surgery, or not. I don''t want to have surgery, but whatever it takes to stop the pain, and if, that means having surgery, then I''ll have to do it. And thank you, so much for your prayers for me, and my daughter. God bless you, and your family.
 
Joyce W   4/22/2008 12:10 AM
141 .  To Christine.
Hello Christine. I apprecaite that you have taken the time and trouble to repond in some detail to my earlier post to you. There is so much detail that I would need to write in reply . You know that I can''t agree with this view. However I intend to exit this forum - it is not a good place to enjoy the fellowship of God''s people apart from a few stalwarts who demonstrate true grace. It''s not for me to remain here Christine- I am not interested in prolonged antagonism and point scoring which is the way of the world. I would love to discuss the views of the rapture with you but I know that there will be further provocation from the same source.
 
BEN   4/22/2008 12:08 AM
142 .  There you go he just arrived as predicted!

 
BEN   4/21/2008 11:55 PM
143 .  Flesh sows to itself flesh.. Frank
NO. I am not familiar with being mad but you clearly are.
I am sorrowful before God that you are so rebellious in your spirit.
You stand condemned by the insults you have traded about other believers once more here this evening.
Don''t give an account of yourself to me by all means ..I find you distasteful.
However I admonish you to examine your conscience before GOD and sort yourself out with Him.
But I expect your alter ego will be along at any moment to encourage you with more of his ungodly pearls of fleshly wisdom.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 11:51 PM
144 .  I''ve found the Solution - ahem
To all turkey''s and hen house foxes. Don''t read other people''s mail !!!
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 11:33 PM
145 .  Flesh sows to itself flesh.. Frank
NO I am not familiar with being MAD but you clearly are. It makes me sorrowful before God that you are so rebellious in your spirit.
You stand condemned by the things you have said here this evening . Don''t attempt to give an account to me by all means... I find you distasteful. BUT I admonish you to examine your conscience before God and sort it out with HIM. However I anticipate your ''friend'' will be along in the next moment to encourage you with more ungodly pearls of fleshly wisdom.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 11:32 PM
146 .  To Joyce W
Hello Joyce, I hope all is well with you and yours. Thank you for your prayers they are appreciated very much. You are in mine too. I hope your arm isn''t giving you too much pain. Are you enjoying the spring weather and managing to get out and about?
God bless you and Charles and your daughter.
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 11:24 PM
147 .  Ezekiel
Peace be with you too brother.
It is good to witness your earnest and consistent stand for the Truth.
You have been contributing to these forums for some time I guess.. and have evidently faced the devouring tongues of this familiar inner circle with commendable courage. These things ought not to be in the BODY Ezekiel but where such unacceptble attitudes exist they must be reproved according to the word of God.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 11:21 PM
148 .  David E Kaus
Hello David, I''m so happy that you''re not in a built up area, although I have to recognise that some people enjoy that, It wouldn''t do for me though, I like to get out and walk sometimes. You really made me smile about the cats, it''s so familiar to me. I had two until unfortunately losing one last Christmas. He was more like a dog , followed me everywhere. I really miss him. He died at the grand age of 16.
You''re so right about studying and handling the scriptures and yes I''ve learned to wait on the Lord. He always brings the revelation.
God bless David and enjoy your projects.
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 11:18 PM
149 .  Ben
Does it make you mad Ben that I refuse to play your game and get into a war of words with you? I have better things to do, so don''t expect answers to your posts from me!
Shalom
 
FRANK   4/21/2008 11:11 PM
150 .  And so they continue sowing strife
There it is again... this time it''s the alter ego with more of the same insulting exchange between the two who delight to cause strife and discord. Well your immaturity and lack of true spiritual calibre is apparent to all who have discernment of spirits.
Do you not know that you will be held accountable for every careless word you speak.?
You both need to come under the discipline of the Body of Christ.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 11:09 PM
151 .  Joyce W.
Hello Joyce: How are you Joyce, and Charles? I''ll bet you live in some great area of the south that has as wonderful a scenery as we have here, and Christine in England, and Frank, in France. You are absolutely correct about your statement that you know that Frank, Christine, and I differ with your position on the Translation of the Saints. I often thought of a discussion about it with you and Charles, but other things came up. We all knew our different positions by our postings, yet not once has it effected a negative remark, or attitude between us. I am also sure that if we ever do discuss the issure it will be an interesting and gainful exchange. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 11:07 PM
152 .  cont. -TYPICAL EXAMPLE
Viz Quote from FRANK''s last post.

''There are some that seem to HATE TRUTH David and it''s superfluous to try and reason with them! God bless brother''

Out of the same mouth comes blessing and cursing.

Is this acceptable in the Body of Christ? Not in my estimation and I would consider it my right before GOd...to challenge such divisive and ungodly provocation to discord.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 10:59 PM
153 .  FRANK
Hello Frank: We will have to picnic in each others area when we get the chance. I don''t know if they hate the truth or just plain hate. I also found a great scripture verse yesterday that helped me with the situation. I believe Job said this. I can''t remember the exact words so I''ll paraphrase " if you want to fly like an eagle, you can''t gobble with the turkeys." Those turkeys always have their head to the ground and they gobble up just about anything they see. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 10:52 PM
154 .  I don''t necessarily give coordinates...
..If the Spirit of Truth doesn''t witness to His truth as I speak it, no Scripture validates me or anyone else.
I am also writing to people who KNOW the Scriptures...and those know of that which I speak. All who have ears to hear, hear His voice.
 
BKN   4/21/2008 10:49 PM
155 .  Joyce
Hello to you Joyce. I have no problem with discussion of differing views . It was by considering the various views alongside each other in the light of scripture that I came to my own conclusions. We should have liberty to do this with one another. However I have to say that the discord consistently comes from a minority here who persist even now in provoking hostilities via exchanges between themselves implying falsehood and insults about other posters- who disagree with THEIR view.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 10:45 PM
156 .  To Christine Gill
Hi Christine, I hope, you are doing well. I am glad, to hear your niece is doing well. And I will continue, to pray for her complete recovery. God bless you, and your family.
 
Joyce W   4/21/2008 10:26 PM
157 .  Christine Gill (cont)
shows us in John 7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. This is a key Scripture verse about understanding sound doctrine. May God continue to bless you through Jesus Christ, and in His Word, always. David
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 10:20 PM
158 .  David E. Kaus
Hi David, Your area sounds great. I live in the country as well. Rolling hills and forests, and the spring makes us want to get out and enjoy God''s cre8tion. In church yesterday we were studying in Proverbs and Psalms. Some good verses:
"The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise. He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom and before honour is humility. Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. The heart of the wise teacheth his mouth, and addeth learning to his lips. Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones. There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
There are some that seem to hate truth David, and its superfluous to try and reason with them!
God bless brother
 
FRANK   4/21/2008 10:15 PM
159 .  Christine Gill (cont)
Scripture has to be handled so carefully. I will read Scripture first, and then suppliment that with some highly respected commentaries, and other study material.. If you give God the time, He will sort out things for you. When something doesn''t sit just right, and I haven''t found anything to make it fit, I go on with things, and the matter unfolds in its time, and place. If I haven''t found an answer, I don''t press to put one in. Sooner or later, I am led to something in my studying that puts the problem in proper perspective. God has never failed to fill in the blanks when I do things this way,and with prayer. Historical settings, are very important in studying Scripture. In studying one thing, you generally find that it ties a lot more Scripture together, than just what you are directly involved in. Many pieces start coming together, and I am always thrilled in the heart and soul, to see it all take place. This is a short format to work in, and hardly affords all the space needed at times. God
 
David E. kaus   4/21/2008 10:12 PM
160 .  To FRANK
Hi FRANK, I wanted to say, how much I enjoyed your story, about your bride. It was a beautiful, and heartwarming story. And as, the example, you were using it for. I hope and pray, you are right. God bless you, and your family.
 
Joyce W   4/21/2008 10:08 PM
161 .  Christine Gill
Hello again Christine: I am so glad to hear that your niece is doing well, and pray that she continues to do so. It sounds like a wonderful place where you live and take your walks with the dog. I''m surrounded by a couple/three thousand acres of fields, woods, hills, valleys, a small marsh, farms, etc. I use to have two dogs, and four cats. They all would go with me on hiking adventures through out the year. One of the cats would always find us if we started out on a hike, and she was already in the woods. I have a bunch of projects lined up for the summer, and my bike riding. That and other things are going to keep my busy from sun up till late. Next time we will have to keep the lid on the can so the worms can''t get out. They are crawling all over the place now. I''ve added a few, do not click on, to my list. I agree with you, our focus can easily get lost if we involve ourselves in all of the nonsense now going on.
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 9:50 PM
162 .  To Ben and Angela
Charles and I, have differing views about the pre-trib, and mid-trib, with FRANK, AND David, and our other brothers, and sisters in Christ, but we don''t let it come between our relationship with them. Even though, we disagree we respect their views, as they do ours. It is possible to have a good, and supportive, and loving relationship, with our brothers and sisters in Christ, even if, we don''t always agree. Especially, if it is not having to do with a salvation issue. Then, we should not try to force our views, or to try, and find fault with each other, but to edify, and support each other. And for some reason, MrK seems, to have a problem with that. And I see, nothing wrong, in what David said to him. MrK is overreacting, and should worry about his own comments, and not about telling others what they should, or should not post. Israel today, is quite capable of taking care of the situation, on what should not be posted. God bless.
 
Joyce W   4/21/2008 9:22 PM
163 .  BKN Now that was very understandable
to read. I am content very much when God''s word is understood by others who speak it loud and clear simply using scriptures often in their postings that give validity to their point. It then shows me where they got what they are stating. If you could use scripture reference with your postings then I would have no problem in understanding your point and it would open the door to many others understanding also. I am not being sarcastic by saying this, so please do not take it wrong. Thank you
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 9:15 PM
164 .  I am sure you recognize the parables..describing..
..the indescribable.
If you don''t understand my way of thinking, why do you say I am part of a group?
Those who can hear what I am saying, hear it.
Don''t worry if you don''t understand. You have many who understand what you say, and that should make you content.
And my postings have EVERYTHING to do with the Living God.
 
BKN   4/21/2008 4:57 PM
165 .  BKN
Out of love for you, I don''t understand your writiings that you post. I am not being sarcastic to you, I can''t figure out what your saying with your postings. Maybe once I understood the point and thought maybe it relates to God.
Truth needs to be spoken in plain english if one wants others to benefit from it. Just a gentle admonistion to you.
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 4:50 PM
166 .  Angela
Girl, love you! Your energy for God''s truth is dynomite!!! The beauty of the Spirit of Truth shines in your writing and speech, and your light shines so brightly with love and respect even in disagreement with others. This is a true fruit of the Spirit of God. No self righteousness do I see in you, perfect love of God dwells in you even in disagreements. If onlly Frank and David could come to produce fruit like that! And BKN. Love you my sister, Stay the course as we will be having a great time at the feast with our Lord who is soon coming to reign. Amen peace be to you!
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 4:42 PM
167 .  Facing off is not love. Ultimatums bring stife.
You don''t have to prove anything, because whatever comes from the Lord goes to those who belong to Him and love Him.
Any who are led astray will be no matter what is said.
There are far too many religions where force to believe doctrines make a battalian of marching dead.
I don''t think anyone here wants to do that, so I wish peace to all who belong to Him.
 
BKN   4/21/2008 4:23 PM
168 .  Ben You have spoken truth concerning
these two named Frank and David and BKN who is associated with them also in their thought process of twisted doctine of they are the 144000 chosen to be taken before the tribulation. Their eyes will be opened up big time when they discover they''re in the tribualtion. Hope to see you on here rebutting false doctrines with this Frank who is is the leader of the pack trying to lead others astray, every new person that comes to this site. Peace be to you brother, our time is short before our Lord returns. God bless you for truth you''ve spoken.
Amen.
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 4:20 PM
169 .  Frank: You are in constant denial of your
actions to stir up trouble. You started with me that I owe you a public apology trying to stir up trouble, David jumped in and your little click that worships the ground you walk on backing you up. This was anything but love of God coming from the three of you. You lie and try to make others think they lie, your fruits are like an orchard of dried up figs that can be seen by everyone who knows good fruits Only the dried up fruits hang together until they fall, for you see the good ones are taken. Repent and become right in loving all of God''s creation, least you dry up altogether. And you never could put it publicly where you go the twisted meanings of the feast days. It''s a false doctrine you and David think you have special knowledge about. So produce it that I may see your source of information if you have truth.
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 4:02 PM
170 .  Thank you, Mr.K, I take that as a compliment.

 
BKN   4/21/2008 3:51 PM
171 .  Angela
I wrote because I didn''t want to hear the smack back from Franko and David, and BKN who thinks she the wisdom light house. The flickering lights as Ezekeil qoted below fits the three of them. Bless you for the truth that you and Ben so eloquently presented agianst these three cultess.
 
Wisdom   4/21/2008 3:45 PM
172 .  To BKN
Thank you for the truth and good sense. I for one will now step out of this and put my focus back where it belongs, on the Lord.
God bless you
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 3:31 PM
173 .  To Ben cont...
From the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel there will be ample signs that the world is being prepared for judgement, and then on the day the believing remnant flees Jerusalem, having seen the abomination that causes desolation, the Great Tribulation begind. The rapture will have to have occured quite some time previously, ot there wouldn''t be any believing remnant to flee. The church is to be kept from the time, place and any relation to the judgement, and there has to be time for post-church converts.
This concludes Ben. Hope I''ve made it clear enough to follow where I''m coming from.
God bless
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 2:32 PM
174 .  BKN
Thank you for a breath of fresh air and reason. I just cannot believe all the hostility. Sister, did I publish something offensive? I was trying to build up brothers and sisters in Christ with what I posted. I will accept correction given in love, just as David has corrected me in the past and I thanked him for it. Again, hang in there and as you so aptly said, lets go forward with HIM. I believe we will see His coming for us in our lifetime. I believed it 36 years ago when I first believed, and believe it even more today.
God bless you BKN and keep those little breaths of fresh air flowing!
 
FRANK   4/21/2008 2:31 PM
175 .  To Ben
Re Noah,
Gen 7: 1-4 Noah was given 7 days to make final preparation for the judgement. They herded all the animals into the ark.
Gen 7: 13 tells us the day they entered the ark the flood came. Noah and his family were saved. This I think could be a model of the remnant of Israel, preserved through judgement.
Gen 19:22 the angels tell Lot they''re not permitted to do anything until he and his family are gone.
1 Thes 1:10 Paul promises the church will be rescued from the wrath to come. Apo (from) in Greek means from time, place, and any relation to the event. I think Lot could be a model of the church.
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 2:25 PM
176 .  To Ben cont...
The wrath of God is not just the Great tribulation. The picture than John sees in the book of Revelation gives us clues. Rev 4:4 shows us who is around the throne, I believe that the 24 elders with crowns are symbolic/representative of the church(body of believers). They are dressed in white and have gold crowns. They have thrones - they''re rulers, They surround the throne - so they assist Him. They are seated - their work is done. They''re dressed in white - they''re righteous. They''re wearing crowns - they''re victors/overcomers. They''re called Elders - a title more associated with Christianity than Judaism.
Rev 6 shows the opening of the breaking of the seals. This I believe is the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel.
I hope you can follow my reasoning Ben, I''m not too good at writing it down.
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 2:04 PM
177 .  Anyone who accepts false doctrine has God to face...
..Nobody false taught can blame people for leading them off..because God Himself lets us know. He is the first and last word on all that we receive and believe.
This is a comfort when we hear anything that we know in our heart is...not His. No false teacher, or false taught...will get away with it.
So all can rest easy, we don''t have to force feed anyone, anything...because it all must come from Him..to benefit.
 
BKN   4/21/2008 1:59 PM
178 .  Angela..ask Mr.K about those other two people you mentioned

 
BKN   4/21/2008 1:55 PM
179 .  Is there some reason we are all to agree on prophecy?
And force anyone else to agree?
What has been done here is different views have been expressed, just as might be if we were all in the same room.
It is the Lord with Whom we are to agree, and it is He Who leads us into His Own Truth.
So why wrangle if others don''t accept a doctrine or thought that differs? Just as we cannot add one hair to our head on our own, we have no business judging another with such disdain. These animosities are not from Him, and He doesn''t war against Himself. He IS our PEACE.
And when He returns as Reigning KING, PEACE then will be in ISRAEL.
 
BKN   4/21/2008 1:53 PM
180 .  To Ben
Thank you for your posting Ben. I agree with you in the fact that believers will recognise the signs of the Rapture but the timing is unknown hence the word ''secret'' (that is my word used to emphasis).
Jesus doesn''t actually teach on the Rapture apart from this, however He does teach on His second coming to earth. I believe that Matthew 24 is the teaching of what will happen in the earth up to and including the Great Tribulation after the Abomination of desolation. I believe the ones taken into the kingdom at the end are the ones who have come to faith during the 7 years or what is left of them, most will be killed. The Jewish element, who God has said He will preserve, will be included in these. The ones killed or martyred are the ones under the alter to be held there until the rest of the number of these are taken into the kingdom.
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 1:40 PM
181 .  Hi Angela
No, not afraid to express my views.That was written in hopes that maybe some would stop and take a look at themselves..We are known by our Fruits and that does not mean only by what we give but what we say, and how we react to others..Quite frankly, I see a lot of either your follow my beliefs or its the highway to hell for you, kind of mentality in some of these postings.There is a right way and a wrong way to talk to people. And posting what I did, I had hoped that maybe, just maybe some would stop and ask themselves.Just what kind of light am I showing?
 
Concerned   4/21/2008 1:10 PM
182 .  cont...
What a can of worms was opened here. I find it difficult in such a short space to explain sometimes why I believe what I do, neither am I good at it. What I do know is that the book of Revelation has a wealth of symbols and symbolic language in it and these must be taken into consideration too, so it''s not always an easy read to understand all that the book is saying. It takes research.
I want to thank you David for all the help you have given and give to me in my understanding of scripture and I can assure that I do test all things given to me by anyone. (as you would expect). I follow the Bereans on this. My studies come from a variety of sources,as I''m sure yours do.
Be richly blessed by God David and keep up the good work.
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 1:10 PM
183 .  David E Kaus
Hello David, Hope all is well with you and yours. Did your bike ride clear the cob webs away after winter?. I live in a semi-rural area where there is lots of greenery and trees and places to get away from it all. I love to walk with the dog along these lanes and by-ways and muse on the things of God amonst His wonderful creation.
I spent a few hours with my niece on Saturday with different members of the family popping in and out. She is doing well, still awaiting results then next steps can be taken. I passed on the web site you gave me and also another one which I saw on Christian TV . This has proved to be very interesting. The research is being done by an Israeli bio-chemist and based on biblical principles. Again concerns the food we eat. Apparently there is a positive degree of success from it, and his research facility is here in the UK. We''ve been in touch with him and recieved lots of information. God has a wonderful way of working.
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/21/2008 12:56 PM
184 .  FRANK
I take strong exception to your remark implying that I am a liar in respect of the comments I made that David Kaus made a remark which was generally insulting to women.
He did so! -
implying that women were inferior to men where discussion of Biblical issues is concerned. This was in the context of his insulting the lady called Lara by implying that she ''jumped in''.''.not knowing what she is talking about''. Courteous? I think not! In fact I commented at the time . Lara in fact ably presented her case for the Pre Wrath rapture whereas D Kaus merely repeated himself in a confused mish mash of out of context scriptures.
Choose your words more carefully FRANK
they will return on your own head as will the derogatory criticisms and self glorifying diatribes of your alter ego David Kaus
 
BEN   4/21/2008 12:38 PM
185 .  re Chronology& Context of the scriptures
The same signs in the heavens preceding The Day of the Lord re Matthew 24-beginning with the Rapture are depicted in Revelation 6 verse 12ff under the sixth seal of the SCROLL . Seal 5 shows the martyred saints in heaven asking when they will be avenged. They are told not until your brethren who must also be martyred arrive here. SEAl 6 then follows and is the decription of the events preceding the rapture of the rest of the saints... so they are raptured under the sixth seal. THIS is then followed swiftly under the same seal by a description of the coming wrath of GOD This is a little of the the chronological element missing from your presentation.
 
BEN   4/21/2008 12:20 PM
186 .  To Christine
Christine. You are the only one who has presented a case to support your pretrib view and for that I respect your efforts.
Allow me please to respond re your remark that the rapture is a secret event. Scripture does not imply that . The thief in the night scenario is applicable to the unbelieving and unwatchful as in Noah''s day. WE are told that ''YOU are NOT in darkness that the DAY should overtake YOU as a thief'' JESUS says thatThe Rapture occurs ''after the tribulation of those days'' . It is preceded by signs in the sun moon and stars - everthing goes dark THEN he appears on the clouds .. the TRUMPET blasts, the dead are raised and He gives a command to the angels to gather the elect. Everybody on earth will witness this and are terrified because as soon as the rapture is completed the wrath of GOD falls on the World. The same signs announce both events.This is the whole context of Matthew 24. but you have taken only part of this chapter and made it mean something else ... that is how you
 
BEN   4/21/2008 12:05 PM
187 .  David Kaus & co
David Kaus... OUT OF ORDER is putting it mildly where your acid tongue is concerned!
Downright offensive is a more apt description.
You evidently can''t control your tongue can you?
Angela has appropriately addressed the issues of collusion and exclusion influencing this forum .
It is bordering on the nature of the cult!
There is a stronghold of discord and hardness of spirit developing.
Those of you who support these unchristian remarks against your brethren and sisters who are merely raising issues that ought to be discussed with courtesy and regard for one another are being influenced without realising it .
 
BEN   4/21/2008 11:50 AM
188 .  To Frank and BKN
I wonder whether the posters below identified as Concerned and Warning have been intimidated by the dominating minority on this site and have been afraid to express their views before now for fear of being devoured by the backlash of tongues from the in- crowd- jumping to each others'' defence regardless of the truth of the matter.
There is a pervasive spirit of unkindness and intolerance of others views here . It happens when false doctrine is the main thrust of the thinking and becomes the foundation of the body concerned.
 
Angela   4/21/2008 10:16 AM
189 .  Pseudo righteousness again!
There you go again David Kaus with your nasty innuendoes talking over the heads of your brothers and sisters as though THEY were the enemy. In typical fashion you address your groundless accusations disguised as pseudo righteousness to those you know will support you .You are a sad person David and a divisive element on these forums.
 
Angela   4/21/2008 9:59 AM
190 .  A light that flickers in a world of darkness
is of no value, and destroys more by the flickering than giving light in a world of darkness. Amen
 
ezekiel   4/21/2008 7:15 AM
191 .  You can''t mark them with sound doctrines
if you yourself don''t have them....and there are those indoctrinated calling it "Sound doctrine" Now that is confusion and a stumbling block to the freedom in Christ. It''s not a light that brings shines to the world of darkness. It''s a flickering light with no power.
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 7:12 AM
192 .  David, Frank is there a problem with all
your special knowledge of the feast interpretations that are written in the word of God to share the places you''ve come to this wonderful view as to what these feast days mean with me, since you are such great teachers with great powers to flush the foxes out of the hen house. It amazes me how quick you are wanting to guide the people and I ask you a question and you don''t give answers...surely you want to share this insightful places in the bible where you''ve come to this special knowledge with me, don''t you?
 
Ezekiel   4/21/2008 5:23 AM
193 .  Christine Gill
Hello Christine: How is the niece doing ? I don''t believe the anti pre tribers can see their hypocracy, or the bitterness of their flapping tongue. Very obviously our pre trib stance has them upset. No doubt they have not taken the time to go over anything that has been said in any of our post. Let me say that I have found in all your post I have read, to anyone you have posted to, to be of a nature that tries to be helpful. That in itself is an encouraging example to me, and I am sure to the body of Jesus Christ. Let me further encourage you in your Bible study, and love of Jesus Christ, and His ways, and in His Word always. Looking forward to our meeting in the sky. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 3:50 AM
194 .  FRANK
Hello Frank: It sim ply amazes me how well received all my postings were, on the truth of the Pre Trib Translations of the Saints. I never expected so many encouraging comments. Do you think we''ve flushed all the foxes out of the hen house ? You don''t think there is a little bitterness creeping in do you ??? It couldn''t be, not from such nice folk such as these. Now brother, you read them, and let me know if I''ve missed something. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/21/2008 3:04 AM
195 .  The mirror image is not the same as what is reflected...
..appearing the same, reversed, without substance, dimension, or life.
This is how I see the counterfeit who is against the true Christ.
Some might consider it interesting, others just pass over me anyway.
We need to not be as the sad Middle East, with so many war mongers roaming around. We are called to walk in love. We are thankful we can.
 
BKN   4/21/2008 1:02 AM
196 .  Jake
Jake I have read your response to Christine Gill and I have read her account too. I agree entirely with your remarks re her failure to apply scriptural chronology and specific context. The verses she has depicted speak for themselves in that respect.
Christine how you can ascribe to this pretrib view based on what you have written is frankly absurd. My concern like Ezekiel''s is that some who hold this view are going to be taken unawares and find themselves traumatised by the events that will occur- to the detriment of their faith.
 
Angela   4/21/2008 12:22 AM
197 .  MR K
I am so sorry that you have been hurt - and as you say and for the past ten months. This kind of behaviour is intolerable and sadly it does happen in some church gatherings. The elders would normally deal with it and if not it could well be time to depart. Some people will drain you and leave you unable to function in that fellowship. The Lord often leads us out and onward into His will. The time is too short to remain where there is a hardened attitude and the love of the brethren is tarnished.
God commands the blessing only when there is UNITYamong the brethren.
In Jesus love to you. Angela
 
Angela   4/21/2008 12:05 AM
198 .  Christine
Sadly that is what I would expect you to say Christine as you are speaking from a biased viewpoint. You have not been on the receiving end of an unloving tongue here.
If you were wearing MrK''or Laras'' shoes or any of the others who have been subjected to negative and unkind responses from certain individuals on this forum you would undoubtedly feel differently.
 
Angela   4/20/2008 11:55 PM
199 .  The Pharisees knew the Scriptures well...
and they completely missed Jesus altogether.
Paul had to be temporarily blinded, so that God could lead him to...see.
Don''t equate knowledge alone as sight...I keep playing my one note on these posts...we are to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
"Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies."
 
BKN   4/20/2008 11:46 PM
200 .  To Jake
Jake, I do not agree with you. I choose not to be offended by what you say. I stand by everything I posted on the pre trib rapture. I do not take the scriptures cited out of context. Like you, I am not intending to go into any more detail.
We differ on this. Also like you, I beg you in Christian love to reconsider the scriptures concerned for your benefit.
Shalom and may God richly bless you
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 11:46 PM
201 .  The Pharisees knew the Scriptures well...
and they completely missed Jesus altogether.
Paul had to be temporarily blinded, so that God could lead him to...see.
Don''t equate knowledge alone as sight...I keep playing my one note on these posts...we are to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
"Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies."
 
BKN   4/20/2008 11:44 PM
202 .  Frank
Well some of the''family'' members are clearly unhappy Frank and there needs to be a little discipline exercised in the family gathering.
 
Angela   4/20/2008 11:44 PM
203 .  should have followedmy first post .3
a fairy tale with the middle, end and beginning muddled up!
I see no support for your pretrib view here other than your strange conception of REV 4 depicting the RAPTURE!? and so you say the saints have to disappear before REV 6 which strangely you describe as the beginning of the WRATH?!
 
Jake   4/20/2008 11:38 PM
204 .  cont
REV 4 is John''s vision of the Throne Room in Heaven ..The saints do not appear there until REV 7.
Rev 6 is the chapter heading section of the Scroll/Book with seven seals .. the Wrath is the last one under the 7th Seal and does not actually occur until REV 8
I feel obliged just to briefly mention this to you hoping you will reconsider the scriptures concerned for your own benefit. However, I am not intending to go into more detail as it seems to lead to nothing but contention on this forum.
 
Jake   4/20/2008 11:26 PM
205 .  You''re right BKN. Thank you

 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 11:19 PM
206 .  Standing in agreement
A timely word well spoken BEN !
You are scripturally right to challenge this attitude .

Fellowship on this forum is threatened by a subversive & divisive element of partiality
.
Sounding brass and clanging cymbal comes to mind.
Where is the constraining love of the brethren?
I''m out of here I think!

Christine.. beware of flattery .
I note that David Kaus praises your account of the pretrib rapture here. Curious indeed. I doubt he read the texts you quoted. If so he is one mixed up individual.
With respect Christine, I have to say that I have never read such a muddled and confused account.
You are not only taking verses out of their PASSAGE context [esp Matthew 24] but are also taking the events of the Book of Revelation right out of their CHRONOLOGICAL context.
I am sorry if this offends you but I have to be honest with you .
.Love does not flatter....
Your account reads like a child''s attempts at writing a fairy tale with the midd
 
Jake   4/20/2008 11:17 PM
207 .  Coming War
There will only be war if Israel provokes it.
Iran has broke NO NPT rules.
Israel has even though they never signed.
 
Watts   4/20/2008 11:03 PM
208 .  In SPIRIT and in TRUTH. Recognize His Spirit.
Those who are led by the Spirit of God, are the children of God.
 
BKN   4/20/2008 10:44 PM
209 .  David Where do you get the interpretaion
of the feast that you and Frank post? These are not written in the bible under the context that you post them. You claim this special knowledge of interpretations on the feast days such as Unleaven Bread which the bible simply says it is to be a time to recall the rapid departure out of Egypt, you say it has other meanings. I''d welcome your proof of these meanings to prove where they have come from in scriptures. Since you are here claiming to speak just truth from scriptures, I need to see this from scriptures written in the form you seem to interpret it. Shalom

 
Ezekiel   4/20/2008 10:42 PM
210 .  Angela
You call it a clique, I call it family! We are one in Christ!
Shalom
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 10:41 PM
211 .  Having said those things...
..I also have to say, that all is not fruit from the same...Spirit.
We are to test the spirits, aren''t we..and so we will, but without malice.
 
BKN   4/20/2008 10:39 PM
212 .  Oh, come on here folks. There is no need to contend.
If we follow Jesus Christ as our Lord, He can impress on us whatever is necessary.
We have a wide swath of teachings, and like fruit, we choose what is advantageous for ourselves.
A true believer can decifer what comes from the Lord''s Spirit, and there is no need to face off with others who don''t share the same place.
Remember, my feet take me to wherever my hands need to do the work, and my eyes guide the way. Very different parts, all necessary to the body.
 
BKN   4/20/2008 10:37 PM
213 .  To Angela and Ben
What I''m seeing in both your posts is exactly what you are accusing David of.
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 10:35 PM
214 .  Ben
I recall those posts too Ben and you are right in your assessment. David Kaus made it plain that he disliked women ''teaching men'' as he put it . What he meant was that ''Lara'' had presented a perfectly scriptural account of Matthew 24 etc which did not agree with his view.
I have to agree with MrK .
There really is an unhealthy clique on this forum. David Kaus and Frank in particular seem to be joined at the hip with a groupie following which endorses them.
 
Angela   4/20/2008 10:26 PM
215 .  Ben
YOU are the one out of order, That remark to David E Kaus was uncalled for. Since when has telling the truth been unchristian. Speaking as a woman, I find David to be most courteous and helpful. Yes, he does contend for the faith and does so with a deep understanding of the written word. I have never in any of his postings found him to be verbally abusive or controlling. Unless if one is in agreement with him you deem that to be controlled by him.
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 10:18 PM
216 .  Yes, this is it
From the fruits you shall know them/ us, that''s it.
Confusing, blaming, discouraging, not encouragement at all, division and parties, against and for these and those, and so on.
And it is more than okay that this comes into the light!! And they have been active in this many months, it started ten months ago and later on, I say what I say and believe what I do, here is no fellowship, the "nice and kind" words counts nothing when the spirits within us are in opposition. Masters in confusion they are, deceiving spirits laugh and rejoice behind or in front of their traces, for sure. They know me well from ten months sharing from my heart here at this site, and as long as God wants me I still am here.
 
MrK   4/20/2008 10:07 PM
217 .  AMEN BKN...
God bless sister. I''m like you, I hope we will see Him in our lifetime!
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 9:55 PM
218 .  Ben
Ben, I have said amen to things you have posted in the past, but what you posted to David is way off base. First of all how in the world can we know that Mrk is a man or woman? I myself thought it stood for Mr K. or perhaps Mark. If you will notice, I responded to that persons criticism with gentleness. What David said was true because in my posts I wasn''t being judgmental about anyone. And yet Mrk was judging me. To say he is insulting to women in general is a lie, as I read the correspondence he has with Christine and Joyce and others and find no disrespect. What are your motives in your diatribe?
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 9:52 PM
219 .  All three the same one.
I may be wrong.

This sort of accusing and baiting shouldn''t stop the flow of real faith!!

And so..onward we go.
 
BKN   4/20/2008 9:49 PM
220 .  FRANK..recognize the writing..rather obvious who it is.

 
BKN   4/20/2008 9:46 PM
221 .  Messieur/Madam...
That doesn''t have the courage to sign a name to their post! David and I both sign our posts because we are not ashamed of what we say. We support Israel and try to exalt the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and His Yeshua the one who died for our sins and is coming again! This time not as a lamb, but as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah! Maybe you just don''t like the truth, but thats your problem!
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 9:37 PM
222 .  Concerned
I have been reading the posts here and it seems that quite a few of each other here, do not like one or another..Is this what Yeshua meant by loving each other and forgiving each other?
 
concerned   4/20/2008 8:53 PM
223 .  David Frank, you who exalts yourselves
above others will be humbled and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Stop exalting yourselves. No one likes it.
 
Warning   4/20/2008 7:32 PM
224 .  Others I haven''t found for weeks or months.

 
MrK   4/20/2008 6:38 PM
225 .  Except for BEN, who I regard as one brother.

 
MrK   4/20/2008 6:37 PM
226 .  No, there is no encouragements from you,
here, only walking in cirkles, round after round, rolling on and on, like a huge spamming wave at this site.
Shame on you.
 
MrK   4/20/2008 6:34 PM
227 .  David Kaus
It needs to be said...
You are ''out of order''
I believe your attitude is unchristian in the way that you persist in denigrating the brethren who disagree with your views.
You demonstate a controlling spirit in the way you seek to draw others into the same maelstrom of disharmony and verbal abuse.
I read the exchanges you refer to a while back and you were apallingly rude to the lady concerned and insulting towards women in general You need to repent of your attitude.
 
BEN   4/20/2008 6:32 PM
228 .  Mrk
Hello Mrk: If you think that judgment belongs in all matters only to the Lord, then stop your own judgment of others. To do so is hypocritical. If you think that time is being wasted by posting here, then stop your own posting here, follow your own stated wisdom. If certain postings cause you problems, don''t click on them. You don''t have to read all the post, like the one I send to FRANK. It is your decision to click on post, and you and only you can make that decision. Maybe you are just a little too curious about what others post to another, and in meddling in what is posted to another. You can solve that problem on your own, don''t click on those posts. A good trafic cop should follow his own advise. Does this show you which boat you are in ? Shalom
 
David E. Kaus   4/20/2008 6:23 PM
229 .  David Kaus
Is there anything you want to tell me, for example, please say it directly to me, can you?
If not you are in the same boat you see, and all of us should already know in twhich boat we are, shouln''t we?

why use so much time here, do you think, is that wise or not? why?
 
MrK   4/20/2008 6:03 PM
230 .  FRANK
Hello Frank: I enjoy your postings. Isn''t it odd that some people find our postings to be judgmental, but not those in opposition to what we post about the truth ??? Scripture clearly tells us to judge righteous judgment. To prove all things, to mark them that cause division with false doctrine, to teach no other doctrine than what was given in Scripture. To wander around and not be abe to stand in defense of the Faith once delivered to the Saints, is to linger in immaturity, and give voiceless consent to error. While telling others not to judge, you are being judged by the same person about your integrity. What hypocracy we find here again !!! What happened to letting the Lord judge all things ??? It seems this would only pertain to others and not himself. May I suggest some repentance here. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/20/2008 5:42 PM
231 .  MRK
Just wanted to encourage brothers and sisters in Christ, and hope the thought of meeting our Savior encourages you too!
Shalom in Christ
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 3:44 PM
232 .  To Angela
Thanks again for your posting. One of these days we might be on the same page at the same time.
I think we''re both clear that we differ. I propose we leave it at that, otherwise we''ll go around in circles. I''ve taken my stand and you have yours. On that note I''ll say May God richly bless you.
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 3:41 PM
233 .  Frank, how can we judge
more poisoned fruits here at this site, folks.
 
MrK   4/20/2008 3:32 PM
234 .  Frank, how can we judge
like this? Does not the judgement belong to the Lord? I have often been confused by all the thought and words typed in commentwritings here at this site, also by some of the persons you embrace. By what I read here, I can not sure who are true sheep and who are not. Let God judge in this, don''t take His job. Acting in this way I also doubt your way og discerning and I question your integrity. And this kind of fruits is now a problem right here at this site. People writing much under different initials inconsistant statements, so you may get really confused. Someone like, support and actively work with this, after my opinion, people getting confused, scared and put out of action. So let all who share the faith in Yeshua pray more, speak less, that is my clear advice, and definitely do not use this web site as a personal emailing system, rolling on and on with light talk, in this you are taking somone elses place and focus away. Let it not be so and do not support this increasing and develloping of more and m
 
MrK   4/20/2008 3:30 PM
235 .  To FRANK
Hello my brother,
Just wanted to say thank you for your postings and for the teaching on the Holy Convocations. David gave me a good reference to give a better understanding of the Feasts, just awaiting that. I think your story about your bride is beautiful. Isn''t it awesome how our God works, the message at my church this morning was about having eyes to see, about being short sighted and long sighted. It was really good.
Hope the rest of your weekend is blessed.
May God richly bless you.
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 3:27 PM
236 .  Charles and Joyce,Christine Gill,BKN...
and all my brothers and sisters in Christ!
My comments addressed to David are for you also!
God bless you all
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 3:16 PM
237 .  David E. Kaus
Some thoughts I had at church this morning about my marriage! When I got married, I wanted the best for my Bride. A stupid example perhaps, she wanted my tie to match her bouquet, so I spent hours looking for a tie that matched! I never in my life spent as much time and money for a tie! All to please my Bride. If I a sinful man can want to please my Bride, how much more Jesus who loved us enough to come to the earth He had cre8ted and allow Men He had cre8ted to mock Him, slap Him and spit on Him and finally put Him to death on a cross. All to pay the purchase price for His Bride. Do you honestly think He would want to send His Bride before the beast? I think not, I think He wants us to be where He is and thats where I want to be!
Just some thoughts for a Sunday.
God bless brother
God bless Israel
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 2:39 PM
238 .  To David E Kaus
Hello David, It seems I unwittingly stepped into an old argument. There are different schools of thought on the Rapture so arguments will occur. I could have cited more scriptures from the Old and New but it would take up too much space. I think BKN put it in a nutshell, ''All who are IN Jesus, will be where He is''
As for the ''Tweenie'' bit, I haven''t a clue.
I remember the conversation about the Feasts and the reference you gave me. I''m just awaiting delivery.
Good idea on the bike ride. I''m just going to meet with the Saints at our assembly for breaking of bread and worship.
May God richly bless you. Your words are well seasoned with salt.
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 9:58 AM
239 .  To Vince
You have me at a loss. Sorry Vince, I think it must be a case of mistaken identity because I haven''t a clue who you are talking about.
God bless
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 9:42 AM
240 .  David E. Kaus
Father''s house for the wedding feast.
Won''t it be great to meet our Savior face to face, and to meet our brothers and sisters from around the world like Christine Gill, Charles and Joyce, Ron R and his little boys, BKN (then I will know if her name is Barbara), and thousands and thousands of Church Age Saints along with the Old Testament Saints! WOW! Even so come Lord Jesus!
God bless David and all my brothers and sisters in Christ
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 8:56 AM
241 .  David E. Kaus
Now the fall Feasts:
TRUMPETS - depicts the Rapture of the Church and the judgment of the wicked.
YOM KIPPUR/DAY OF ATONEMENT - points to a great host of people, Jews and Gentiles, who will be saved when Jesus physically returns to the earth.
TABERNACLES - speaks of the day when the Son of God will tabernacle among men, wipe away every tear, and bring in the "golden age" which men have dreamed of since time immemorial.
The Jewish wedding customs of Jesus day are also very important.
"Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father''s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself that where I am, there ye may be also." (Jn 14:1-3) The disciples understood this perfectly as it related to the Jewish wedding customs. He''s preparing a place for us David, and one day soon we will meet Him in the air as He takes us to His F
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 8:48 AM
242 .  David E. Kaus
Hi David, you are right on about the Feasts of Israel (Holy convocations). All of the spring Feasts were fulfilled in Christs first coming and the fall Feasts will be fulfilled.
PASSOVER - speaks of redemption. Christ the Passover Lamb has been slain for us.
UNLEAVENED BREAD - speaks of sanctification. He was apart. His body would not decay in the grave.
FIRSTFRUITS - speaks of resurrection. Death could not hold her foe. On the third Jesus rose triumphantly from the grave.
WEEKS/SHAVUOT - speaks of origination. The coming of the Holy Spirit inaugurated the New Covenant and Church Age.
(continued)
 
FRANK   4/20/2008 8:33 AM
243 .  David K
Hello my friend. I read your postings to Christine and could I inquire where you got that interpretation of the feasts? I''ve heard different things on the feasts and their meaning, I would like to know where you received that teaching, please if you don''t mind.
Thanks, Shalom my brother.
 
Ezekiel   4/20/2008 7:18 AM
244 .  Interpreting the Times...Luke 12:56
Hypocrites! You know how to interprete the appearance of the earth and the sky. "HOW IS IT THAT YOU DON''T KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THIS PRESENT TIME?
 
  4/20/2008 7:14 AM
245 .  Jake you know the truth as the scriptures
has plainly stated and it is going to be hard on those that have been taught a rapture before the 8th king comes into the wing of the temple and the Saints go against this beast power. This just never got preached from most pulpits for it would have stopped many from coming into the church. I have a feeling this will have an effect on those who are spoken about in Matt 24:9 that lose their faith when persecutions start in on them. I Pray that they will have their eyes opened up and not lose faith when this happens to them. keep up the work, brother. It is needful on this site really very much. Amen the King is coming soon to take His reign. Amen halllelujah! He comes!
 
Ezekiel   4/20/2008 7:00 AM
246 .  Christine Gill (cont)
The Feast of Trumpets, Rosh HaShanah, is on the 7th new moon of the Jewish calendar. The number seven, indicates perfection, or completeness, a significant time for the conclusion of the Church Age. The Jews knew the meaning of the saying by Jesus Christ that no man knows the day nor the hour that the Feast will begin. The Feast of Trumpets began on a new Moon. This could only be verfied by two witnesses, watching in the evening to see whether or not any sliver of light was in the moon. If any was there, then they repeated the process the next day. So literally no one knew, but God, when the new moon would occur, and the Feast of Trumpets could begin. Although our Salvation is not dependent on the doctrine of the Translation of the Saints, all things applied to us are by Faith. For without Faith it is impossible to please God. Whether or not this leaves the door open for those who do not believe God about this doctrine, to be left behind remains to be seen. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/20/2008 4:25 AM
247 .  Christine Gill (cont)
The Translation of The Saints is clearly associated with Trumpets. Listen to Jeremiah as he laments the situation of Israel at this time. Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past the summer is ended, and we are not saved. Psalm 12:1 also speaks of this event Help Lord, for the godly man ceaseth, for the faithful fail (diasppear) from among the children of men. With the completion of the Church age, God will turn His attention on Israel in their unbelief, and the 70 th week of Daniel will beging the" Great Tribulation." The signing of the "peace," tready by Israel, with the anti - christ, will have the world saying "peace and safety," and bring sudden destruction from on High, and they shall not escape. Who will not escape ? Those who have rejected Jesus Christ, and His Salvation. God has not appointed us to wrath but unto Salvation in Jesus Christ 1 Thess 5:9.
 
David E. Kaus   4/20/2008 3:56 AM
248 .  Christine Gill (cont)
The last Feast fulfilled was Pentecost which occurred around the end of May, or early June. Rosh HaShanah, The Feast of Trumpets, is held on Tishrei, the seventh month on the Jewish calendar, around Oct. The jump in time, represents the Gentile Church Age, where God has turned to the Gentiles to take out a people for His Name. In Leviticus 23:24 we read In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbat, a memorial of blowing of Trumpets, an Holy Convocation. The Trumpet was a signal for the field workers to come into the Temple on this Feast. The High Priest blew the Trumpet on the Temple wall, so that it could be heard in the surrounding field. At that instant the faithful would stop harvesting, even if there were more crops to be brought in. 1 Thess 4:16 "The Lord Himself, shall decend from heaven with a shout... " 1 Cor 15:51-52 " Behold I show you a mystery..."
 
David E. Kaus   4/20/2008 3:28 AM
249 .  Christine T. Gill
Hello Christine: It looks like some lost relatives have found you, and I''ll bet you are blushing a bit about your nickname. Some of the anti pre tribers were in on a previous post about the same topic awhile back. I don''t believe they are really looking for an answer or a sensible discussion, as proved to be the case before. Be that as it may, I decided on a bike ride on a beautiful, warm, sunny day, instead of any posted response to what looked like an already hostile group. One of the posters below literally talked his doctrine in a circle, and bit himself with his own logic. You did a great job as usual with your post. Can you remember a discussion we had about the Feast''s of Israel being fulfilled in Jesus Christ ? The next Feast to be fulfilled is Rosh HaShanah - The Feast of Trumpets
 
David E. Kaus   4/20/2008 2:36 AM
250 .  Cnristine "Teenie" Gill
"Teenie" I bet it''s a long time since you''ve heard anyone call you by your "family/brother/sister"Nickname,"Teenie."
Has anything changed that we shouldn''t use that name. it''s been a long time but please come home to our "New Home" in Tennessee. Love to "Teenie G." from "Vinnie G."
 
Vince   4/20/2008 12:41 AM
251 .  Christine Gill..agreed.
All who are IN Jesus Christ, will be wherever He is...that door where so many wait for the bridegroom is a picture. All will not pass through. Those who do are one spirit with His Spirit.
However He brings it about is OK with me. Anything He does is perfect.
 
BKN   4/20/2008 12:37 AM
252 .  cont...4
I realise that there will be some who do not agree with this. That''s your prerogative. I am substantiating my belief with scripture references.
May God bless you all
 
Christine Gill   4/20/2008 12:01 AM
253 .  cont...3
The Church was purified at the cross at which time all the punishment due to us was borne by the Lord himself. From that time forward the Church is considered by God to be righteous as He is (2 Cor 5:17 & 21)
The idea that the Church needs to undergo some discipline to become worthy to dwell with God is unscriptual and denies the Lord''s completed work on the cross.
The stated purpose of the Great Tribulation is to purify Israel and completely destroy the unbelieving nations (Jeremia 30:1-11) The Church isn''t destined for either of these.
 
Christine Gill   4/19/2008 11:56 PM
254 .  cont...2
This is supported by 1 Thes 5:9
God''s Wrath and The Great Tribulation are not the same. The two terms are not synonymous.
Great Tribulation - 3 1/2 years long and begins in Rev 11:13
God''s Wrath is much longer - begins in Rev 6:17
The time of God''s Wrath begins with the Seal Judgemants. The Bowl Judgemants that come later don''t begin it, they conclude it (Rev 15:1)
Being rescued from the time, the place, and any relation from God''s Wrath means the Church has to disappear before Rev 6 I believe the Rapture takes place in Rev 4 and the Church is the group of believers in view in Rev 5
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/19/2008 11:51 PM
255 .  cont...
Paul describes a ''mystery'' in (1 Cor 15:51,52). Don''t try to use the trumpet reference in v52 to pin the timing down. There are several ''Last Trumpets'' in the bible and Jewish Tradition. This verse means it''s the last trumpet we hear before we''re changed. The Rapture happens fast.
When:-
Clearest indication is found in 1 Thes 1:9,10 "For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us FROM the wrath to come". The Greek FROM is APO. Literally means rescued from time, place or any relation from God''s wrath
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/19/2008 11:43 PM
256 .  Pre Trib Rapture
The Rapture is not another name for the Second Coming. As 1 Thes 4:15-17and John 14:1-3 explain, the Rapture is a secret event where Jesus comes part way to Earth to meet His Church (body of believers) in the air and take us to be with Him where He is now. Secret because the timint will remain unknown until it happens.
The Second Coming is a public event where Jesus comes all the way to earth with His Church to establish a kingdom here. Public because the general timing will be known on earth over 3 1/2 years in advance. Publc because everyone on earth will witness His arrival (Matt 24:29-30
cont...
 
Christine Gill   4/19/2008 11:33 PM
257 .  Scripture Shows Pre Trib to be True
The fixed mind sets below are in error, and find no bases in Scripture, and are full of unsound teachings, and contextual errors.
 
David E. Kaus   4/19/2008 10:12 PM
258 .  Substantiate Your Beliefs.
I have noted that those who hold to the Pre -Trib view fail to address points raised by those who do not . Their response is frequently in the form of an attempt to discredit the Pre-Wrath view rather than substantiate the Pre-Trib view.
David Kaus refers to scriptural context but ignores the fact that the lack of overall scriptural context has already been cited asthe main reason for rejecting the pre trib view.
 
Jake   4/19/2008 8:07 PM
259 .  SEARCH OUT THE TRUTH for yourself
Scripture tells us that we ''are not in darkness so that The DAY overtakes US as a thief in the night''.
Believers have the light of the Word on this and we are expected by God to SEARCH OUT THE TRUTH - not define it.
The scriptures do not support the pre trib theory BUT indicate that the days of Tribulation are CUT SHORT by GOD for the sake of the elect who are raptured OUT of them but NOT BEFORE THEY START!
The elect are NOT subjected to the ensuing WRATH of GOD which is reserved for the unsaved world.
 
Ralph   4/19/2008 7:33 PM
260 .  Pretrib View is flawed
As has already been said the pre trib view IS based on a flawed grasp of the WHOLE of SCRIPTURAL CONTEXT . Many arrive at this view from a root of unsound teaching that has gripped them.
It is often the case that a ''pretrib person'' will adamantly argue against another view but are unable to clearly present the case for the pretrib view itself from scripture.
 
Angela   4/19/2008 7:18 PM
261 .  Christine Gill
Hi Christine.
The chapters I referred to from Daniel and Revelation both indicate that the antichrist WILL persecute the saints. I assumed this is what you were asking Ezekiel about. Reading the tone of further posts I think it is a question of agreeing to differ on the timing of the Rapture. However if you wish to discuss any point further I will be happy to do so.
 
Angela   4/19/2008 7:08 PM
262 .  David E Kaus
Quite to the contrary !
As I have already said The pre tribulation rapture view can only be supported by taking scriptures OUT of the overall Biblical context . Perhaps you would back up your pretrib postion with scriptures otherwise it is merely a fixed mindset which influences your understnding of the Word.
Which scriptures prove the pre trib theory in your view?
Present your viewpoint by all means but take care in labelling the views of others as as ''ERROR''.
 
Jake   4/19/2008 5:45 PM
263 .  FRANK & Christine Gill
Hello Frank and Christine: You are Spot On, with rightly dividing the Word of God with pre-trib doctrine. Comparing Scripture with Scripture, and not taking isolated verses out of context, and reading into them things that are not there, keeps us from error. God Bless, David
 
David E. Kaus   4/19/2008 4:45 PM
264 .  Who are the Tribulation Saints?
Who are the Tribulation Saints ?
-a few stragglers who missed the brigegroom? They ARE those of us who remain until He comes! Do you really think that God will remove the Church in an uncompleted state? Yeshua will return for His Perfected Bride - not a part of her! She will be perfected -''purified, made white and TRIED'' through the final persecutions of the Tribulation. Yeshua will remove His Church at the end of the Tribulation when GOD says ENOUGH! The Time of God''s Wrath has then arrived![ The seven aspects of it follow the Rapture] The Church is redeemed from the Wrath of GOD by the Blood of the Lamb but the church overcomes the wrath of Satan by GOD''S KEEPING POWER!
 
Jake   4/19/2008 11:24 AM
265 .  Christine Gill / Frank
It seems you are judging Ezekiel''s postings from your apparent pretribulation viewpoint .If you compare all the scriptures on this issue you will have to admit that the pretrib view does not add up . However if you take just a few of the better known passages of scripture you can make them support this predisposed view.
In His High Priestly Prayer for Believers, Jesus clearly indicates His meaning
of '' keeping us'' from the wrath of satan
'''' I do not pray that You should take them out of the world but that You should KEEP them from the evil one''''
We are NOT appointed to The WRATH OF GOD though which follows the Tribulational wrath of satan.
 
BEN   4/19/2008 10:53 AM
266 .  "seeing" war coming
It''s easy for Iran to "see" war coming. They have the primary copy of the playbook.
 
t-ham   4/19/2008 9:52 AM
267 .  WWJD?..everything He IS doing!!

 
  4/19/2008 3:10 AM
268 .  WWJD

 
WWJD   4/19/2008 12:20 AM
269 .  To FRANK
Hi brother, Just leave it Frank, you can lead a horse to water but you can''t make it drink.
If Ezekiel believes that the saints of today will be transported to Jerusalem, that''s up to him. I don''t think it''s right to preach that to others though. One things for sure, I won''t be going. I''ll be meeting the Lord in the air and going with Him to a place He has prepared. I''m not appointed to wrath. What about you?
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 11:33 PM
270 .  cont...
but dust will be the serpent''s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the Lord.
Isaiah 65:18-25
Amen
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 10:18 PM
271 .  God bless Israel
"For I will Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalm and take delight in my people the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard no more. Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. They will build houses and dwell in them they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people my chosen ones will long enjoy the works of their hands. They will not toil in vain or bear children doomed to misfortune for they will be a people blessed by the Lord, they and their descendants with them.
Before they call I will answer while they are still speaking I will hear. The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust wi
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 10:16 PM
272 .  Christine Gill
Hi Christine, from his postings in the past, hes talking about believers living today and not trib saints. He said we, the believers living today would be transported to Jerusalem to go before the beast. I can look up the postings for you if you like, but I prefer to just let him babble away. People who are rooted and grounded in the word will know!
As you can see from his posting now, the chameleon has changed his colors and become all sweetness and light.
Look at the postings under Israel halts fuel...
God bless sister in Christ
 
FRANK   4/18/2008 9:21 PM
273 .  GOD WILL INTERVENE
This time the enemies of Israel will fight with the Lord of Hosts.You will se that, it is not Israel fighting her enemies but Syria, as in the times of Elisha, will be defeated without a clear intervention of Israel armed forces.It will happen, for sure!
 
Timoteo   4/18/2008 9:12 PM
274 .  To Frank
Hello my brother, how are things with you and your family? hope all is well. Taken your warning on board. Lots of christian love to you.
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 9:11 PM
275 .  Hello Angela
Thanks for your posting. I do know who the beast/8th king is of Revelation and Daniel. I was puzzled at what Ezekiel said, ''The saints are going into captivity to be taken to Jerusalem''. I think I figured out what he means though. I think he''s talking about the tribulation saints ( the ones who come to faith in the tribulation period).
I did answer your previous posting. Because I had to go away, I asked if we could leave discussion of it to a later time but that I was happy to debate it with you.
God bless Angela
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 9:08 PM
276 .  Frank
May the Lord bless you for all you say and do!
 
Ezekiel   4/18/2008 7:09 PM
277 .  Angela
my dear sister! love and peace be to you! Your eyes see what the scriptures say and though we may have a little difference in some areas NOT A BIG DEAL, because as it unfolds all our eyes will see it clearly..No one can go against what the scriptures say, and though some think they won'' endure any of it, so be it. The Lord says it is set in motion He is coming and what is destined for each of us is already set in place, our Lord will deliver us into the kingdom, man can''t do it Isa 26:18. Keep up the joy of his word in your heart! Look forward to seeing you in the Kingdom. Amen
 
Ezekiel   4/18/2008 7:00 PM
278 .  continued
''shall persecute the saints of the MOST HIGH'' for ''a time, times and half a time'' ie 31/2 years which is the Great Tribulation period and occurs during the second half of the last seven year period of the Age of Grace- which is referred to in the 70 Weeks Prophecy of Daniel 9 as the 70th Week.
Daniel and Revelation run parallel to each other re the endtime scenario. I don''t know Christine whether you reponded to the previous exchange re the Book of the Endtime in Revelation as the board disappeaed before I could access it. Anyway I think this small input is relevant to the discussion here.
 
Angela   4/18/2008 5:25 PM
279 .  Christine et al !
Hi Chistine, Whilst I agree with Frank that God does not reveal new insights by way of additions to the Prophetic Scriptures, nevertheless
in fairness to Ezekiel, there is generally a significant degree of prophetic truth at the core of his viewpoints... despite some apparent peripheral contradictions!
[ Hope you''re smiling at my observation Ezekiel.. no offense intended!]

His reference to the 8th King is the description of the antichrist from Revelation 17:11
The whole context of the references to this Antichrist/ Beast/ King in Daniel & Revelation indicates that he will persecute the saints .
It is by God''s decree though - by God''s ''giving it to him to do so - but by the same Divine decree '''' the days will be shortened'''' & not exceed 31/2 years ''for the sake of the elect''.
Daniel 7 depicts the same evil being -the 8th KING of Revelation 17- as the 4th Beast with ten horns and the little horn arising out of them [ the antichrist] who
'''' shall persecu
 
Angela   4/18/2008 5:10 PM
280 .  "I warn everyone who listens to the statements of the....
..prophecy in this book: if any one shall add anything to them, God will add and lay upon him the plagues that are recorded and described in this book. And if any one cancels or takes away from the statements of the book of this prophecy, God will cancel and take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the city of hiliness which are described and promised in this book."
"He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things, says Yes it is true. I am coming quickly, so let it be. Yes, come, Lord Jesus!"
 
BKN   4/18/2008 4:34 PM
281 .  WWJD
Ask Him, not here, please.
 
MrK   4/18/2008 3:27 PM
282 .  WWJD

 
WWJD   4/18/2008 3:08 PM
283 .  I suppose you are right, Frank

 
MrK   4/18/2008 2:54 PM
284 .  Christine Gill
This is part of his false revelations I have been warning about and are not from Scripture. As I said before he claims God talks to him and says to post these things. RED FLAGS!
God bless sister
 
FRANK   4/18/2008 2:52 PM
285 .  Hello Ezekiel
Read your last post (Isaiah 17). Something you said in there has me puzzled ie ''The Saints are going into captivity to be taken to Jerusalem''.
Can you expand on this please and can you give some scripture references as I haven''t come across this before.
God bless
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 1:42 PM
286 .  israel and syria
i think iran is really looking for trouble and definitely they will get it. iran is gingering syria to attack israel, i bet you if syria attack israel , they will be wipe out of the surface of the earth. so syria should beware of iran they are not doing them any good by forcing them to attack israel. Syria think that iran will help them to fight israel, it is all lies.
 
oby   4/18/2008 11:52 AM
287 .  Isa 17 Is a future prophecy against Damascus
that happens as the sword is brought against them in the near future that is a part of Jacob''s trouble Isa 17:4 This time is quickly coming upon this earth that fulfulls this prophecy of Isaiah. As it reads.."In that DAY the glory of Jacob will fade." "the fat of his body will waste." "It will BE AS WHEN THE REAPER GATHERS THE GRAIN" This is an event that is soon coming as these wars over there continue to esculate. It''s coming and the the Saints are going into captivity to be taken to Jerusalem to go before the 8th King/beast power that is going to make His appearence in the very near future. Amen The Lord God Almighty is coming and He will reign on this earth as King of Kings. Hallelujah!
 
Ezekiel   4/18/2008 11:44 AM
288 .  To CS
I am assuming by ''these five nations'' you mean Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine and Syria. If Syria attacks Israel, I would be very surprised if they weren''t included in the attack. When Israel defeates them, they will be out of the picture for the coming Ezekiel 38 war.
Russia is 30% moslem at the moment, yes, small amount. But Russia also backs Iran and is supplying their weaponry.
Ethiopia and black Africa define themselves as Christian at the moment (so does Britain but look at the growth of Islam). As for India, Pakistan, Southeast Asia and the former Soviet states, Ezek 38:6 states ''Gomer, and all his bands the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: AND MANY PEOPLE WITH THEE. Could the ''many people'' include those?
 
Christine Gill   4/18/2008 9:30 AM
289 .  Isa 17:1-11
Isa 17:1-11 ring any bells from heaven ?
 
Netherlands   4/18/2008 2:58 AM
290 .  var with syria and libanon
Israel can have a trojansk horses in gasa and must take over the power this land they God give them. I hope yuo have God wiht you if is it happened.God bless Israel and the Jews people.
 
göran holmén   4/18/2008 1:51 AM
291 .  Pride precedes a FALL!!
In his Godless ignorance and conceited delusion Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad inadvertently foretold his own destiny on Thursday at a military parade marking the Islamic republic''s annual Army Day......

Ahmadinejad repeated his belief that the power of Iran meant the prevailing world order was set to be turned on its head.
He boasted.....
"Thanks to the resistance of the Iranian people, the great powers have become bogged down...''''
[ sad deluded nutcase!]

''''The region and the world must prepare for great changes and the disappearance of satanic powers." [Bye Bye Madman - that is your destiny for sure!]

'' Pride comes before a fall''''

The prophesied destruction of Damascus will soon prove that!

God will also shut the mouth of Ahmadinejad and bring an end to
his evil boastings when Iran will be humiliated on the mountains of Israel as it joins with its evil allies in an attempt to annihilate Israel.
 
Angela   4/18/2008 1:33 AM
292 .  to Christine Gill
Ethiopia and black Africa (non-Arab) are mostly Christian or animist nations. Muslims are present but are a minority. In Ethiopia especially, they define themselves very strongly as a Christian nation. Islam is also a very small minority in Orthodox Christian Russia (or Russia might be mostly atheists, I''m not sure). And those other five nations are Muslim as well, so why aren''t they included, and for that matter why isn''t India, Pakistan, Southeast Asia, and the former Soviet states included?
 
Christian Socialist   4/18/2008 1:29 AM
293 .  PS.
Israel has to have more land to make room for the rest of the Jewish people returning.

God bless you Israel
 
Christine Gill   4/17/2008 11:14 PM
294 .  cont...
If all this happens then everything is set ready for the war of Ezekiel 38.
Magog - Russia
Mesach & Tubal - probably Turkey, ancient home of Hittites.
Persia - Iran
Cush - Ethiopia and black Africa
Put - Lybia, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco etc.
They all have one thing in common Islam.
This would explain why Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudia Arabia and Egypt are not in the Ezekiel 38 war
 
Christine Gill   4/17/2008 10:39 PM
295 .  I think this is true
Obviously Iran knows more than it''s saying. I''ve been studying these end times.
Psalm 83:1-8 talks of a conspiracy against Israel. The ancient peoples named in these passages are Edom, Ishmaelites, Moab, Hagrites, Gebal Ammon, Amelak, Philistia, Tyre and Assyria.
The modern day peoples are Saudia Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine and Syria.
Isaiah 17:1-3 tells of Damascus in now Syria being destroyed.
Israels victories against these enemies could make Israel larger, more powerful and wealthier. They would then be living in a false peace without walls and gates and could even get careless about their security.
cont...

 
Christine Gill   4/17/2008 10:32 PM
296 .  Syria...
Of course the war between Israel and Syria has to happen sooner or later. I would think its sooner than many thinks. Prophecy of Isaiah 17:1-3. must come to pass. Both nation will suffer heavily but Israel will survive, God guarantees that. For Syria it will be end of the country..
 
Ernie P.   4/17/2008 10:26 PM
297 .  mede-persia Iran beast power sent to destroy
Coming closer the enemies of Israel closing in on her for a short while, then G0D destroying the sword He is sending against her to atone for sin. How glorious and marvelous are your plans, O Lord, not one can thwart your plan and few understand. You have written your plan through the prophets and yet, you have blinded the eyes of and deafened the ears of whom you choose to complete your purpose, O Lord, there is none like you, in the heavens or on the earth. Come thou Almighty King as you will make a foot stool of your enenmies. Hallelujah, the Great King of Israel''s power is uncomparable! Amen! He comes!
 
Ezekiel   4/17/2008 10:20 PM
298 .  Iran Is Just Plain Ignorant
What makes them think that in any war with Syria THEY won''t be rendered an ash heap as well? After all, it''s Iran''s President I''mANutJob that''s always saying Iran will destroy Israel, but the sandal is definitely going to be on the other foot.
 
Art   4/17/2008 10:14 PM
299 .  Frank-in Israel
I agree with you, alot of what they do is nothing more than sabre ratteling, the rest is kaka. but may I ask, what is the mood in Israel right now. I have a friend that lives in Tel Aviv and saw him recently, and he said something may be brewing.but at the same time he said that, we have been through things like this before. But as far as militarily, Syria,Iran and its other Israel hating neigbors are not going to do anything foolish anytime soon. if anything it will be more rocket attacks by hezbollah and the peace loving Palestinians with logistical support from Syria and Iran.
 
mark N.   4/17/2008 10:13 PM
300 .  Frank
AMEN! Wish I was in Israel with you instead of here in France.
God bless Israel
 
FRANK   4/17/2008 9:36 PM
301 .  Consider The source
Half of the things that the enemies of Israel say are LIES.. The other half I take with a grain of salt. I live in Haifa, Israel and we say come on enemies of Israel, do what you have to do. In the end the God of Israel will crush you and the false gods you follow.
 
Frank   4/17/2008 9:29 PM
302 .  Not suprising
And of course, Iran is playing as if it isnt involved in any way.
I have been saying for months now, that something is brewing. now what is going to make this even more interesting is the US 2008 presidential race. remember, all the jihadist have TV''s and computers too, they are keeping a close eye on this election, probably more so that the average American.
 
Mark N.   4/17/2008 9:08 PM


  
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