Invest your time fighting world famine or terrorism, guys. Every time I stumble upon this site there are nasty back and forths between the Christians and the Jews. This is not what either of your religions teaches.

Have you not read Isaiah 65 verse 17 and Isaiah 66 verse 22 . Also the New Testament is nothing without the Old Testament . Psalms 102 verse 25 and 26 also talks of this earth perishing . Rich why do you kick against the pricks . Jesus was foretold from the time of Abraham . When Abraham was found at Gods request to be ready to sacrifice Issac to God , Jesus was promised as a sacrifice for our sin . Isaiah 51 6 sounds like the earth becomes inhospitable to life . Jesus came as a helpless Lamb and was sacrificed as such . I am sure that Jesus upset the feed trough of the powers that were at that time and as God had planed was Crucified by His own people . Was this not written by Isaiah some 700 years before ? Sometimes being chosen may not serve your purpose but Gods instead.

BKN, the NEW heaven and NEW earth you speak of are NOT ''new'' in the sense that the western world considers new. If you will take some time to research it, you will find out that in the Hebraic understanding, there is no such word as ''new''. Simply put, the word ''new'' does not exist in Hebrew. It is actually renewed as in ''new'' moon. We all know that every month we do not see a ''new'' moon, no! It is the same moon but renewed. So it will be with the heavens and the earth.

In 2 Peter 3:13, if you look there, you will find that Peter is teaching the same truth as found in the Hebrew Scriptures. The Greek word used is ''kainos'' which quite literally means refreshed or renewed.

Cheers.

Thank you for responding. Since you would consider yourself a believer in G-d, it would only make sense that you believe both the Hebrew Scriptures and the Christian writings would be written directly to you. If you are only basing your life on the Christian writings then you must realize that you are basing your life on a faulty document, correct?

You need to clarify as to what you mean by the world. Are you referring to the world as an inhabited place or are you referring to the world as a system. Obviously, if you are referring to the world as a system, then how you are using the word does not jive with the conversation. No where in Hebrew Scripture does it say that this earth and this heaven will be done away with. They will last forever and ever.

Very well said.

..He is my Lord, and being part of His body doesn''t make me the head by any means. He communicates what is necessary in my life. What He speaks I can see.
I have found the Truth, and He has a Name above all names.
There will be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth.

..He is my Lord, and being part of His body doesn''t make me the head by any means. He communicates what is necessary in my life. What He speaks I can see.
I have found the Truth, and He has a Name above all names.
There will be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth.

First of all I wonder do you confess Jesus Christ as the Messiah .
All I need is the Bible .
Also the New Testament is part of the Bible, let us not forget the part written to us directly .

this millineum. Perhaps BKN was refering to this present age, which is quickly coming to a violent end......

I agree with you on the fact that the G-d of Israel knows everything. Obviously, there is no debate here. However, I cannot agree with you on a couple of other points you made in your post.

First, ''if He chooses to tell me, then I can see it..." The fact of the matter is, I believe a careful reading of the Hebrew Scriptures indicates He does choose to tell us. The onus, my friend, is on you and I to search the matter out. Paraphrasing a wise Sage of Israel, our greatest mission in coming into this world is to find the truth!

Secondly, "not enough time to evaluate a temporary world..." I would like to know who taught you that this world is temporary? Again, the Scriptures clearly point out that this world will continue forever. It has to or else the G-d of Israel was a liar in telling His friend Avraham that he and his descendants would inherit it forever. And further, G-d will always give us enough time to come to the truth, if that is what we are seeking.

Thirdly, I am not sure what li

FYI, Charles, I do understand carbon dating. I also understand your frustration upon reading that a ''prehistoric'' cave was found with items in it. It appears that your theological box has been shakened because you seem rather rattled by my post.

Further, where do you get off accusing me of not believing in the authenticity of the Hebrew Scriptures? Perhaps if you went back and researched the Sages'' thoughts on the matter of creation and time you might gain new perspective and appreciation for things you don''t presently understand. And finally, you just might be able to think outside of your ''box'' and have a more sound worldview.

FYI, Charles, I do understand about carbon dating. Perhaps you need to go back and read my post again instead of immediately becoming offended at what I wrote as it appears to me that your theological box has been somewhat threatened by the information given concerning this prehistoric cave.

Further to this, exactly where do you get off accusing me of not believing in the authenticity of the Hebrew Scriptures? You have need to go back and research the Sages'' understanding of creation and time. Perhaps then you will see more clearly than you do now. Regards.

..than those in England, France, etc. It is now almost a quarter to ten Saturday evening. Many of you are sleeping. What a wonderful opportunity we have to converse through space and time...and to express our faith in the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, our Lord, our Savior, our Hope and Life.

First of all, you know this isn''t the truth. Secondly, I would be more in line for the title.,,however...the Lord has taught me, so I will not take that as mine....nor should you.
It has nothing to do with intellect, or the Lord wouldn''t call to Himself...little children. Those who trust, those who want to learn, those who want to grow up and be like those whom they admire.

Does knowledge offend you ? There are many interesting topics that might require research , one being how can these scientist Carbon Date things so far back when the very man that developed Radio Carbon 14 Dating said it was not accurate or dependable and varied with the amount of Carbon that the object was exposed to . That article in the World Book Encyclopedia stated 11''000 years as the max for accuracy . If you disagree then say you do and give your thoughts . Your sarcastic remarks reveals your frustration with not always being the center of attention . I''m sure that those that deal with your in your life every day see the same thing .

Oh please, don''t ask me, I don''t know anything, about that carbon dating stuff. All I know about, is what God says, and He is the One, with all the answers not me And I''m still learning every day, but I will never know all the answers. Not on this side anyway. God bless you.

Is there any subject posted here that you are not an authority on???
Of course if you don''t have the answer, Joyce does. Just ask her!

You should study how carbon dating works and the problems with it . Carbon dating has a outside range stated at 60''000 to 75''000 years at the very most by scientist . Most scientist do not rely on it as so many variables could cause mass inaccuracies . In fact carbon dating is a theory only, but stated as fact . Scientist have a goal their only goal is to back engineer cre8tion and dispel the notion that there is a God . There has never been a grant to prove the Cre8tion of life that I know of . I am sure that people have lived in caves from the time of Adam . That prehistoric cave no doubt has been inhabited by people from the beginning of time until housing and cities developed in more modern times . Also if the events of today and the prophecy of the bible does not convince you of the authenticity of the bible you have not put it altogether yet . But you and the rest will in time .

I have no trouble with anything I don''t understand, because the One I worship...knows it. If He chooses to tell me, then I can see it..otherwise...no boxes or misunderstanding for me.
After so many thousands of years, Man is still analyzing things trying to get a handle on it all. Not enough time to evaluate a temporary World made by the Eternal God.
We live in temporary bodies..because this is the trial, after this? The judgment.
I DO understand some..of your evaluation, however. Many do exactly what you say...unfotunately.

I guess it is no surprise that christians would have difficulty trying to understand a prehistoric time on the earth. When something is discovered which does not fit into the christian theological box it is either completely dismissed or outright ridiculed. I find it sad that so many christians cannot break free of their limited theological cubicle to consider something beyond what they have been indoctrinated with. If only they could begin to think laterally.

There are some culters today that still use stone tools. But consider what people had to work with after the flood. They had to start all over again. Just think, if all industry was wiped out in a catastrophic event, and there were no tools left, or any place to get them, what would you do? You''d have to make them yourself with what you''ve got. And you don''t have any tools to make them with either, so that complicates things a little. Naturally everything after the flood started off seemingly primitive simply because they had to rebuild everything from scratch. Not to mention that just because the bones they found belonged to animals that don''t live in the region anymore, there is nothing to say these animals are extinct everywhere else. Wolves used to live in the northeastern United States. Just because they don''t anymore, doesn''t mean they don''t exist anymore. The same species is still alive and well in Canada. Even if these animals were totally extinct, that still doesn''t indicate a timeline. Just

Yet the foul tongued one and the false teacher can say awful things.

I am Christian, not politically correct, love Israel and think Jews are the luckiest people in the world. I use the word " d." If I am offending the Jews, I will stop. If " d'' is just not PC, "God d" will be in every other sentence coming out of my mouth.

In Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, between the two of them, in Hebrew it reads "In the beginning God d the heavens and the earth and the earth BECAME formless and void..." So the cave itself could be prehistoric, but mankind and the animals are only 6000 years old...

Just a little enlightenment into what the Hebrew actually says.

Once again, it''s mans feeble attempt to try, to disprove God. How sad for them. Because of course, that will never happen. And as Ron commented, "In the beginning God crea ted the heavens and the earth", and that is all that I need to know.

why is the word '''' '''' not allowed to be said

all was made by His WORD.
Any messages from Adam in there?

what was before " In the beginning God d the heavens and the Earth"...that''s HiStory..

That should read God cre8ted the world 6,000 years ago. I keep forgetting that you can''t type that word. Sounds fascinating though.

Since God d the world around 6,000 years ago, how old can it be? Is it pre-flood or post-flood?