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Monday, August 11, 2008 Ryan Jones

Fear of Russia ends Israeli support for Georgia

A top Georgian envoy in Israel on Sunday urged the Jewish state to use whatever leverage it has to put pressure on Russia to pull its forces out of the small Caucasus nation. But while voicing support for Georgian territorial integrity, Israel decided instead to appease Russia by halting all arms sales to Tbilisi.

Israel has sold some $500 million worth of military equipment to Georgia over the past few years, and top Israeli military experts have been involved in training Georgian armed forces.

Israeli soldiers who participated in training Georgian forces as recently as four months ago told Ha'aretz that they were not surprised when hostilities broke out. "There was an atmosphere of war about to break out. ...From my point of view, the battles of the past few days were to be expected," said one soldier.

As Russian forces invaded Georgia late last week and the two nations engaged in what is increasingly being called a full-scale war, Israel's leadership expressed concerns that Moscow could retaliate for continued Israeli military support of Georgia by selling advanced arms to Iran and Syria.

Defense officials cited by The Jerusalem Post later said that arms sales to Georgia had ceased several months back, after Israeli authorities became alarmed by urgent requests for large supplies of weapons by Georgian authorities apparently aware that they were about to go to war with Russia.

Said one Israeli official, "We have good relations with [Russia and Georgia], and don't want to back either in this conflict. We therefore made a decision to drastically minimize sales of weapons to Georgia."

Many Israelis expressed frustration with what they said amounted to abandoning Israel's allies in Georgia to appease Russia, even though advanced Russian weapons have been reaching Iran, Syria and their terrorist proxy Hizballah for years.

Israel is home to some 80,000 Georgian Jews who would also like to see Jerusalem provide outright backing to the small Christian nation.

Georgia's other major military backer, the United States, has said it will continue to provide support and training to the Georgian army, and warned Russia that its military escalations could severely damage relations between Moscow and Washington.

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[39] COMMENTS:
1 .  Jacob''s Trouble
Has anyone noticed that those who hate the Jews almost always hate the Christians as well? And, those who hate the state of Israel usually hate Western Europe and the USA as well? Why is this so? Perhaps because Israel shares many things in common with the nations of the West. Yes, many things indeed. So, when the scripture speaks of "the time of Jacob''s trouble" will the West not feel the stress of those days in much the same way as the Jewish nation. Again, I think the answer is yes.

Those who seek the destruction of the Jews also seek to destroy Europe and the USA as well. I don''t expect this to change much in the near future. The powerful nations of the East - Russia and China - are acting increasingly hostile to the West and aggresive toward their neighbors. They are also seeking alliances with Iran (Persia) and perhaps others on the African and Asian continents who hate Jews and Christians (Israel and the West). Sounds like Jacob''s trouble will indeed mean trouble for a major porti
 
Darren - USA   8/27/2008 7:00 AM
2 .  JOSEPH II
NIXON STOPPED SOVIET AGRESSION AGAINST CHINA WHEN HE VISITED BY SURPRISE. THE USSR HAD JUST LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DESTROY CHINESE MISSILE SITES AND THEREBY POSSIBLY START A GLOBAL WAR - THAT IS WHY HE VISITED. HE HIMSELF HATED EVERYTHING COMMUNIST.

HANG ON TO YOUR CHAIR - IT WAS CLINTON WHO GAVE FAVORABLE TRADE STATUS TO THE CHINESE FOR A DONATION TO HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN (VIA INDONESIA). HE ALSO MADE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE W-88 WARHEAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. BLAME CLINTON FOR STRENGTHENING A POTENTIAL ENEMY OF BOTH THE USA & ISRAEL.
 
STEVE   8/14/2008 9:54 PM
3 .  To Russell
I see it as you do and I too believe the US will stand behind Israel, should Israel attack Iran, it is in the US interest to do so
Iran''s Ahmadinejad is fanactical, and must be reckioned with.
 
Ellie   8/14/2008 2:04 PM
4 .  Nameless, thou art a coward
You are also of the devil with your hatred of the Jewish people, God''s chosen. You, too, will one day confess that Jesus is Lord. He is the Jewish Messiah, born of Jewish people. He came first to the Jews and then to the gentiles. May you find Him now.
 
Child of the King of the Jews   8/13/2008 5:02 PM
5 .  Dear Steve, "Thank you for your comments,..
I am always thankful for any American President who reaches out to aid Israel. I am not a Jew, but the Lord knows my heart, that I love the Jewish Nation, and pray for each Jewish man and woman to come to salvation and "Trust Yeshua Who died for them"!

What Nixon did in aiding Israel during 1973, was wonderful. What he did in negotiating SALT II with the Russians, and opening up Red China (which ultimately subverted the future of every American worker) is horrible, and an act of treason!

America stands in dreaded peril at this moment, because of what he did, and I think THAT was why Kissinger/Rockefeller concocted ''Watergate''! Watergate (as are wars) was meant to distract the minds of Americans, from what was really going on at that time!
But it is too late, now.
 
Joseph   8/13/2008 5:10 AM
6 .  Russia, the "energizer" of the radical terrorists
The one nation that will bring cohesion to the "Hate-filled" Arab republics that surround Israel tonight, is Russia. What a massive army will GOD "bring forth" into the Valley of Jezreel, early in the tribulation (Ezekiel 38), to destroy (verse 21) by His "sword"! What a ''specticle'' the Arab Republics will be at that time, before the world!

What "dreamers" America has (had) within the State Department and the CIA, that Americans could trust the Soviet to be ''peaceful'' during the cold-war. As one Russian leader said: "Peace treaties and agreements with the west, are like the crust on an apple pie, ''THEY ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN''".

Israels response in backing away from the Republic of Georgia at this time was wise. The Jews within Georgia that wish to fight against Russia, should carefully ''speak for themselves'' and not the Jewish nation. This is a delicate matter at this juncture. Ezekiel 38 will come soon enough on the world scene.
 
Joseph   8/13/2008 4:55 AM
7 .  What to do.
I can understand the feeling of being between an rock and a hard place. It is hard to live in these kind of situation. Send what ever help you can to the citizens that was bombed. It was a dirty and disgusting what the Russians did to the civilian area''s. That is the number one bully on the block. They play it well. And here is winter coming. Putin : KGB is always KGB. dominating power is all they know.
 
Barbara K USA   8/13/2008 1:05 AM
8 .  Eugene
Amen. I just love to talk about my Lord...Beautiful.

May He be pleased by our discussions for it is all about Him and glorifying His Majesty the Prince of Peace, the King of Kings who is coming to reign.

Thank you for your blessing.
 
Soozie   8/12/2008 5:26 PM
9 .  Eugene
I have no motive other than to spread the gospel according to His precious Holy word and not what the world would have us believe. What I write goes against what many believe and accept as truth because they are being deceived. I do not have all the answers, but I give freely what God has given me.

I see your earnestness in seeking the truth and I pray that you may be the one ear to hear the reason I keep returning to this site. Time is growing short and God''s truth is being revealed to those whose hearts are not hardened.

Pray about everything.
 
Soozie   8/12/2008 5:21 PM
10 .  To Soozie
I see alot of where you are comming from. I think that a lot of what you write on here is striking back at others. Then they feel they have to strike back at you. I have made this offer to everyone on this website, but I''ll make it personally to you now. I would really like to discuss your feelings and mine, between you and me and probably my wife. I give you my e-mail address it is bpgreggreg@hotmail.com. Please write. I also make and have made this offer to everyone on this site. I am not a pervert or a weirdo, I just love to talk about my Lord.

Still praying
 
Eugene   8/12/2008 4:59 PM
11 .  Eugene
Please do not misconstrue my intentions as everyone else here does. Israel is just like every nation in the world none of them God fearing. That is my only point. There is no hatred in me other than for evil. Jesus tells us that He has saved Himself a remnant out of Israel and the rest of the plan that He has for dealing with them is perfect as are ALL His ways. Until then, Israel does not have a divine right to the land, to start wars or any other justification more than any other nation. To believe so is using the Lord''s name in vain. To believe so is to be led astray by the beast.

Thank you for your prayers and I pray that you will be given ears to hear this message. Love in His name.
 
Soozie   8/12/2008 4:18 PM
12 .  An Eye for an Eye
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. This action of Israel stated publicly and thanked for publicly by Russia might well herald the beginning of final sorrows for Israel. God is not mocked what you sow you will REAP. Again like in the account of the good Samaritan, they pass on by those in desperate trouble and can only turn a blinded eye. For this they will remain blinded. Father in Heaven please bless your people they fast reach a point of no return.
 
Ben Massa   8/12/2008 1:38 PM
13 .  Steve
I agree with your comment about Nixon being a true friend of Israel. I remember the ''73 war as well. I was in the US Army at FT Ord, CA during this period and was one of thousands of US troops put on alert. I did not realize the full impact of it all until many years later. Thanks for the memories.
 
Jim Borge   8/12/2008 8:31 AM
14 .  Hey Joe!
Much of what you say is true, except with your distortion of Pres. Nixon. He did everything that a pres. could do to help Israel in the 73 WAR. Portugal finally allowed use of the Azore Is.s for refueling planes to get supplies to Israel to turn around Syrian and Egyptian aggression.

Then, when the Soviet (Brezhnev) threatened to "solve the Israeli problem", Nixon replied, "if you do, you will meet us (USA) there." They backed down. America came under a full-scale military alert at that time - I remember it well. Nixon, with his faults, was a good friend to Israel. Let us keep hold of the facts.
 
Steve   8/12/2008 7:51 AM
15 .  To Daniel Moran
I pray, that you are right, that it is just "A Public Statement". I hope, that Israeli government wouldn''t really abandon them at this critical time. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   8/12/2008 5:42 AM
16 .  If you cannot HEAR HIS VOICE you do not know Him.

 
Warning   8/12/2008 4:58 AM
17 .  Could this be true
From their past actions, it appears so.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html
 
Bland as can be   8/12/2008 3:59 AM
18 .  Watts
Tit for tat there sonny, tit for tat.

Watts 8/12/2008 3:17 AM

Is that all you could come up with?
 
Betty   8/12/2008 3:38 AM
19 .  Watts
You are so eat up with hate for the Jew that you assume that everybody
that does not agree with you is a Jew . You couldn''t be any more wrong with your statements . Your hate is killing you from the inside out . Again never a bad word about the barbaric Muslims . I see a pattern here .
 
Charles   8/12/2008 3:30 AM
20 .  russia
Israel should never be in fear of russiasend arms to iran and syria.
Israel knows how to deal with that issue quit well, do remember the 60s
and early 70s. Israel do what you must I feel America will back you bhind closed doors.
 
russell   8/12/2008 3:20 AM
21 .  It seems you can''t hide, chabuka? give eveyone a break
Seems you can''t hide from your past, why didn''t everyone call you chabuka? Hate never wins and lies never win the day.
 
BENFOX   8/12/2008 2:05 AM
22 .  Watts
I for once really feel sorry for someone. You need simpathy. Jesus said that anyone that causes another to sin, It would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and he be thrown in the ocean. You teach others to hate. That is sin!!!
 
Eugene   8/12/2008 2:01 AM
23 .  To Chabuka
In the article it stated Israel was home to some 80,000 Georgian Jews, who wanted Jerusalem to back the "small Christian nation.
Likely these now Israel living Jews are remembering the kindness of these Georgians, while they (Jews) lived in their land.
 
Ellie   8/11/2008 11:10 PM
24 .  Lumping All Together
I read on here: the Jews, the Arabs, the Palestians, the Christians, etc. I am a caucasian female who grew up in the Commonwealth (fancy name for state) of Virginia. Just a reminder the capitol of the Confederacy was Richmond, the capitol of Virginia (and where I grew up). Does that make me a racist and member of the KKK?
 
Annie   8/11/2008 8:59 PM
25 .  Soozie cont.
not what we think it should be. What is going on in the world is just a prelude tho Jesus return, and I for one am glad. Soozie, my wife and I pray for you each and every day that you would lose what appears to others as hate. With this statement I am not trying to be sarcastic. We truly do pray for you as we do all the others on this site.
 
Eugene   8/11/2008 8:13 PM
26 .  To Soozie
Glad to see you back. I believe from some of your statements that you truly love the Lord, but some of the things that you say are so misguided. Example: The post from you At 7:14 PM. You say that Jesus was talking to the Jews. This is true, but you leave out the many other places that He was talking to the Jews also.in John 3: 18, John 3: 37, John 4: 14, John 5: 24, and many other places in all the gosples. You are correct when you say that the Jews that don''t accept Jesus are of satan. But the Word of God tells that in the end time the ones alive after the tribulation will accept. If we condemn all Jews and some of them are in Gods book of life ( He knows who will accept and who won''t) where does that leave us? Condemned. For Jesus said that the measure that you use to judge, condemn, and criticize others, you will be measured with(my paraphrase). Yes we can see bad in the world. Not just the Jews but every nation. Did god know it was comming? Yes. but He uses every situation for His purpose, not what we
 
Eugene   8/11/2008 8:12 PM
27 .  The world needs to listen to Jesus for a change
While in Judaism, Paul persecuted Christians because of his intense hatred for Christians and because of his conformity to the tradition of the fathers. This shows that the tradition of teachings of Judaism are filled with hate for Christians. Few people know of this because they do not carefully read their Scriptures and because of the great pains which Jews have take to deceive the Christians. Care has been exerted by the Jews to hide their ECONOMIC-POLITICAL conspiracy for complete world domination UNDER high sounding words that have a "RELIGIOUS" ring in the ears of Christians. The Jews use such "religious" sounding words as "the Jewish faith," "the Jewish religion," "Jewish spiritual values," "Jewish religious doctrines," and like phrases which deceive and lead the unlearned into total equanimity. Behind this mask of religiosity stands a complete plan for world government, world power, world conquest, a Jewish kingdom of this world, and the destruction of Christianity.


 
Soozie   8/11/2008 7:40 PM
28 .  Same
The end of that was eternal life in Jesus/Yeshua, the light of the world
 
BENFOX 2   8/11/2008 7:21 PM
29 .  robert, why so bitter? Joseph is pretty correct.
The US is on the way out for the reasons Joseph mentioned and because we want to split up Gods land. We we founded a Godly Nation that has given into secular humanism and its godless ways, so God is allowing us to cut our own throats which makes the hate a America crowd happy as larks. You can''t kill 52 million babies, turn homosexuals into a favored group and divorce your spouse''s at a 70% rate and distroy your children for your selfish pleasures and hates, without getting Gods attendtion. He gives a country ungodly leaders when He is ready to judge that nation. NObama-nation may be just the one to bring us down at last. His tax plans will inslave every American and Russia thinks it is one bad bear who might start World War 111, when it see''s the cowardice of the left. Hope you are saved,l hope you know the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, the God of Israel, the Undefeated God of the World, who is my God and Savior. Trust in Jesus/Yeshua and His finished work at His resurrection by faith and have e
 
BENFOX   8/11/2008 7:18 PM
30 .  Israeli leaders back and trained Georgia
JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews " (which makes it clear that Christ was addressing the Jews.)


 
Soozie   8/11/2008 7:14 PM
31 .  America has only survived the past century..
..because America was a launching source for missionaries that went into the far-reaches of earth to "preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ", AND for her support of the Jew that was scattered around the world prior to 1948, and the sovereign nation of Israel, since.

As for R.M. Nixon, I feel sorry for his daughters, Julie & Tricia. His ego ''blind-sighted'' his view of the world, and contorted his political perspectives on foreign policy.

Nixon/Kissinger/D.Rockefeller will be known for "opening-up the China-commercial markets" with its massive numbers of slave-laborers to compete for American jobs. Nixon was complimented (and out-done) by the Clinton/GWBush Teams (16 years, in all), and the NAFTA, and North American super-highway, that will finalized the American workers occupation prospects, in the U.S.A. Thus, the "traitors" will bring the "soft-landing" of the Federal Reserve TO A HALT! America is "going-out of business, thanks to stooges like the Clintons, Bush, Sr., Carters and Bush, Jr.! Whose
 
Joseph   8/11/2008 6:41 PM
32 .  Always trying to weigh the scales!!
But they will come up short operating on fear of doing the right thing.
Fear makes any government impotent..
Why oh why do they not trust the Lord Almighty?
This kind of thinking on Israel''s part plays into Ezekiel 38 .
Did anyone see the John Ankerberg show last evening? How Russia needs warm seaports?
One day, they will just go on down to Israel, to take a spoil.
One cannot but wonder at all that is taking place.
 
Ellie   8/11/2008 6:39 PM
33 .  good comments
The next great war will be with Russia and his allies and as stated, Russia and his friends will go down in defeat. It will take Israel 7 months to bury the dead enemies of Jesus/Yeshua who can not be defeated. I believe it also says in Ezekiel 39:6 that the US may also be destroyed along with magog. I believe we are the isles (a break away from the UK) who dwell carelessly (confindently) in the isles. Could be that when Russia see''s sure defeat, he lets all his missile go at the US. Not a prophet, just a guess on my part and I believe that it is because we do nothing when Russia attacks Israel, we just sit back as the Bible says, we say what you go to take a spoil? Then sit on our hands. Gen. 12.
 
BENFOX   8/11/2008 6:09 PM
34 .  anti-Israeli comments & strong feelings continue..
Such will be the ''bedrock cause'' of almighty GOD drawing the Gentile nations into the great battlefield called the Plains of Meggido Jezreel for the final battle of the Gentile world rule, the Battle of Armageddon (Joel 3:1 & 2).
 
Joseph   8/11/2008 5:51 PM
35 .  What If?
What If - The United States suddenly abandoned Israel and did not send them arms, as Nixon did when they most needed them? Stop to think of the consequences of abandoning your brothers- those who supported you.
 
ChristianSupporter   8/11/2008 4:44 PM
36 .  As you say Frank....
Utter shame upon this wretched Israeli government...the sooner the whole craven bunch of them are booted out - the better it will be for the well-being of Israel..
 
Bill   8/11/2008 3:52 PM
37 .  Spinless Israel government -
Turn to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - THE GOD OF ISRAEL and be blessed!
 
FRANK   8/11/2008 2:52 PM
38 .  Spinless Israel government -
SHAME ON YOU! In 1979, while living in Israel, Shlomo an Israeli friend told me the next war we fight will be with Russia, and we will lose. I told him, "Shlomo the next war might be with Russia, but I have a book that says you will win because God will fight for Israel."
"Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the LORD GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel. And I will smite the bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all the hordes, and the peoples that are with thee I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. Thou shalt fall upon the open field FOR I HAVE SPOKEN IT, SAITH THE LORD GOD." (Eze 39:1-5)
Turn to t
 
FRANK   8/11/2008 2:51 PM
39 .  A PUBLIC STATEMENT
More than likely as history has proved, while Israel went public with its withdrawal of support to Georgia it''ll unofficially continue to smuggle arms into that nation while at the same time continuing to feed their ambassador in Russia with diplomatic encouragement of Israel''s support. In other words, playing both sides of the fence. Once you engage in supporting one country you simply can not just abandon them. There is always a back door being used.
 
Daniel Moran   8/11/2008 2:41 PM


  
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