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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 Israel Today Staff

Intel shows Iran fitting missiles with nuclear-capable warheads

Intelligence obtained by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reveals that Iran has been modifying its Shihab-3 ballistic missiles to carry nuclear warheads.

IAEA agents presented the intelligence on Tuesday after Iran rejected their requests to formally examine its ballistic missile program alongside an ongoing investigation into the intents of its nuclear program.

Senior IAEA officials called the information "very credible" and demanded that Iran provide "substantive responses."

Tehran rejected the intelligence as "forged."

Meanwhile, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Tuesday called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a lunatic, but warned against taking his threats against Israel too lightly.

Speaking to a Jewish organization in Paris, Berlusconi said that the world "must pay the utmost attention to the lunacy of someone who says...that Israel must be wiped off the map."

A senior US political figure said that while Washington is keeping a close eye on Ahmadinejad, there is now a prevailing assumption that international diplomatic efforts are succeeding in putting pressure on Iran, and that military intervention will not be necessary to halt the Islamic Republic's quest for nuclear weapons.

Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, David Wurmser, a former national security advisor to US Vice President Dick Cheney, said that Israel should know there is now no chance of President George W. Bush launching a military strike against Iran before the end of his second term in January.

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[413] COMMENTS:
1 .  JIM BORGE THE JEWS ARE THE FIRST FRUITS
The Jews are the first fruits of The Earth and are presented to The Father by the Son before the rest of the Church - when they sing the new song which is exclusive to them -REV 14 .
The WHOLE Redeemed Number of Jews and Gentlies constitute the BRIDE of CHRIST and when the Bridegroom comes He will come for his entire BRIDE. He won''t depart with parts of The Body of His Bride and won''treturn for an arm and a leg at a later date!
ALL of the redeemed are raptured together ''IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation'' as Jesus said !
Also...The Jews are removed from the presence of the serpent and hidden for the 42 months of severe persecuiton -they are ''the sealed ones'' so no harm comes to them ...guess that leaves the persecuted ones ie ''those who follow the commands of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ'' to mean the rest of the Church !! REV 12
 
OBSERVER   9/22/2008 11:56 AM
2 .  Now Ben I really agree with that

 
Dom   9/21/2008 5:13 PM
3 .  three different preachers
Three different messages, three different channles all the different denominations....same thing i have been trying to show you for the last 2 month''s but you know better than everybody.
Amazing!
G-d is trying to show people something.....but your all to smart to learn
 
Dom   9/21/2008 5:07 PM
4 .  three different preachers
Three different messages, three different channles all the different denominations....same thing i have been trying to show you for the last 2 month''s but you know better than everybody.
Amazing!
G-d is trying to show people something.....but your all to smart to learn
 
DSom   9/21/2008 5:06 PM
5 .  answer to 123 and Eugene. The verses you mention
have to do with those saints that were saved during the tribulation by the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses, the reason church isn''t used there is because the church is gone, other wise I''m sure the Holy Spirit would have inspired John to use the word church. I don''t no why so many people want to go through the tribulation? I guess pride might have a lot to do with it or maybe they don''t think the food will all that good at the marriage supper and maybe they don''t want to stand before the Bema seat of Christ? Either way, won''t be much fun running and hiding from the anti-christ and your neighbors who will probaby recieve a reward for turning you into the Mark police. I hope you will enjoy yourself during that 31/2 or 7 year period of tribulation or wrath? As for myself, I''m going to enjoy my new home, the supper and the Bema seat and the return for the second coming and rule of Jesus on earth for a thousand years.
 
BENFOX   9/21/2008 4:54 PM
6 .  Ok slick i am as through with you as you are with me
That scripture runs both ways..
 
Dom   9/21/2008 4:49 PM
7 .  now Eugene WHERE am i speaking against Jesus
If you cant what i have Just worked very hard in a Nice way to prove the Point i have been talking about.
THEN YOU ARE BLIND AND IGNORANT!

you having had just said that tells me you did not even read it.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 4:44 PM
8 .  Dom
You say in your post titled "So Eugene Ben and Betty if" that if you don''t like me, you don''t like me. I can''t speek for anyone else but I don''t like dislike you. But Paul said speaking to Timothy, who by the way was also a gentile, if anyone brings any teaching other than the sound and wholesome messages of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings which is in agreement with Godliness, have nothing to do with them. Because they are puffed up with pride and stupified with conceit,woefully ignorant.

It has nothing to do with like or dislike it has to do with your teaching against Jesus.
 
Eugene   9/21/2008 4:01 PM
9 .  thats why you will hear orthadox Jews say
that Paul was speaking outside two sides of his mouth.....they hate Paul.....
they Like you without understanding Jewish Customs same for a Jew and what Paul to us.

In Hebrews, who was he talking to?....(Who they believe One of Paul''s associates wrote.)

In Galatians who was he talking to?....two sides of his mouth NO!
One was to the Jew
One was directed to the Gentile audience.

AGAIN NOT SAYING tHAT MOST DOES NOT CROSS EITHER WAY
 
Dom   9/21/2008 3:28 PM
10 .  was Paul wrong?
Jesus is saying here to somebody that not one part of the law passes away.

he was TALKING TO THE JEWS
Even though they get saved And Are Under Grace. a Jew still keeps there custom even after getting saved.

that is rightly deviding the word...Between the Jew and the Gentile

Does anybody see this?
 
Dom   9/21/2008 10:34 AM
11 .  But let me confuse this a little go to Matthew
Matt 5:17-18
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV

WHO WAS JESUS TALKING TO HERE?
 
Dom   9/21/2008 10:25 AM
12 .  the Nail
Rom 5:13
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 10:19 AM
13 .  Let me revise what i said a little
in romans it says where there is no Law there is no transgression.....Right?
but in Hebrews it says after you come to the truth if you sin wilfully there is no more sacrifice, its means you fall out of grace....How can this be?

this is NOT talking about backsliding!

to sin wilfully is to go back under the law after being saved. to go back under the Law is to say Jesus Died in Vain.
and once Christ is revealed to you, if you go back under transgression it''s BLASEPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 10:11 AM
14 .  Let me revise what i said a little
in romans it says where there is no Law there is no transgression.....Right?
but in Hebrews it says after you come to the truth if you sin wilfully there is no more sacrifice, its means you fall out of grace....How can this be?

this is NOT talking about backsliding!

to sin wilfully is to go back under the law after being saved. to go back under the Law is to say Jesus in Vain.
and once Christ is revealed to you, yo go back under trasgression is BLASEPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 10:08 AM
15 .  Here the answer No law No sin
Heb 10:26-29
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Rom 4:15-16
15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham who is the father of us all,
KJV
So if your under the law and you sin willfuly THEN there is no more sacrifice for your sins.......BUT BUT BUT where there is NO LAW there''s no transgression!
 
Dom   9/21/2008 9:48 AM
16 .  this verse is a great example
Heb 10:26-29
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

How can you be under Grace, and Paul say this?
and this would be a real problem under the freedom message that i preach.....Right?
 
Dom   9/21/2008 9:36 AM
17 .  So Eugene Ben and Betty if
you wish for me to expand into the second Place i think we got crossed up..... i would love to try and explain myself better. but if you still dont see where i was coming from on the first point.... then i wont bother, not being rude just, if dont like me , you dont like me.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 9:19 AM
18 .  the Major point i was trying to get across to was
you interpret some of the scriptures that were to the Jewish people, you need to understand how a Jew lives coming from under the Law into Grace.
and really a Jew has more to beware of
from Paul''s scriptures that were written to the Gentile churches....Even though a Jew gets saved there is certain customs they will still keep as a Jew. That a Gentile has no reason to concern themselve''s with........Is this making any sense?
and i am not talking about prophecy that we may or may not agree on, thats common among every individual.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 9:12 AM
19 .  Betty, Eugene, Ben, and who ever else
While i was talking to Capp, it hit me where i think we got sideways, on 2 key Issues. you know this has been a lot of work and very hard to get a point across
on post......It was never about who Jesus loved more, or being a second class citizen, It was about what i wrote below to Capp. we know that 90 or more applies to both. But there are a few specific things that would only apply to a Jew. But if you see it in the lite that it was written, its obvious and we know most of the letters that Paul wrote were to Gentile churches. Right Not saying anything Paul wrote does Not cross over to a Jew. Right? ( CONT next Post)
 
Dom   9/21/2008 8:54 AM
20 .  Capp you are so Close. Revised
you did not have to become a Jew......you just had to look at it from a Jewish Perspective.
THATS WHY you missed it as a Christian, nobody taught you to do that.
thats what i am trying to show you......
Good Lord most preachers way more educated than me dont know what the heck im talking about.
they dont have a clue....
rightly deviding the word.....
IF YOU KNOW weather the scripture was to a Jew then you know how to Interpit what it says correctly.
and what was to a Gentile....Boy this makes people mad.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 8:31 AM
21 .  Capp you are so Close.
you did not have to become a Jew......you just had to look at it from a Jewish Perspective.
THATS WHY you missed it as a Christian, nobody taught you to do that.
Good Lord most way more educated than me dont know what the heck im talking about.
they dont have a clue....
 
Dom   9/21/2008 8:26 AM
22 .  dom
I have to sleep, man. You think, pray and read for yourself. Don''t trust just anyone or any one group that says such and such about the Bible...
 
cap   9/21/2008 8:21 AM
23 .  Jacob Had 7 children by leah right
6 were boys Reuben,Simeon,Levy, the forth was Judah
first Jesus came at the end of 4000 yrs right.
what did they call Jesus?
he was THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH......
another Coincidence also from Bethlehem

1st part
2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
 
Dom   9/21/2008 8:18 AM
24 .  dom
I am in no way trying to crush your faith in G-d. I didn''t find these scriptures to be convinient in my life either, I told you I was a Christian most of my life. The only people that could explain these verses and this concept to me was Israel.
 
cap   9/21/2008 8:18 AM
25 .  dom
Micah 5:2

that is the Moshiach
 
cap   9/21/2008 8:08 AM
26 .  look,
it''s not exactly a shock to believe that the NT authors knew prophecy.
I''m talking conceptually, Dom.
 
cap   9/21/2008 8:06 AM
27 .  ok Capp
the people were terrible to worship the prophets

Now you sent this. let me answer
Micah 5
2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [c] are from of old,
from ancient times. [d] "
 
Dom   9/21/2008 8:05 AM
28 .  oops:"talking"

 
cap   9/21/2008 8:03 AM
29 .  I''m taking
conceptually, Dom. If the scripture I put out is true, there are some serious problems with christianity.

You do know that I respect you though, right? I am just sharing a basic Jewish concept: G-d is not man, and don''t put your trust in men.
 
cap   9/21/2008 8:01 AM
30 .  Sorry-where Capp i dont see it , tell me again..
1 in 100

Ps 22:16
16For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
KJV

Luke 23:33
33And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:59 AM
31 .  just
because the NT author said there were these similarities with prophecy doesn''t say anything about the G-d/man issue.
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:54 AM
32 .  1 in 10
Ps 41:9
9Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
KJV

Matt 26:47-50
47And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

48Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.

49And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master and kissed him.

50And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:53 AM
33 .  dom
you are not addressing any scripture I posted. I answered your questions about your scripture...
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:51 AM
34 .  1 in 50
Zech 9:9
9Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
KJV

Luke 19:35-37
35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:49 AM
35 .  1 In 20
Isa 40:3
3The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
KJV

Matt 3:1-2
3:1In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:43 AM
36 .  dom
Yeah, beit Lechem is Davids'' home town too, you know. someone in Davids line will be Moshiach
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:42 AM
37 .  who was with?
I don''t consider John scripture.

I can''t give you a learned definition of Elohim, G-d and the heavenly beings, I suppose. consult a real Rabbi.
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:39 AM
38 .  Capp Let me lay a few more from the old on ya
G-d is true to his word ,I agree....
Odds 1 in 200

Mic 5:2
2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
KJV

Matt 2:1
2:1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:39 AM
39 .  dom
My heart goes out to you, you have had a wild life. I stepped out of some of that myself. I really had hit a low.
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:36 AM
40 .  so...
I read that as a messiah that is coming to gather Israelites. The Israelites hallmark is they don''t wait for a man or trust in mortals, not moshiach either, it''s obviously forbidden.
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:34 AM
41 .  who was with G-d?
John 1:1
1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV

John 1:1
1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV

Gen 1:26
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:31 AM
42 .  and
the most startling for me:

Micah 5
2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [c] are from of old,
from ancient times. [d] "

3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned
until the time when she who is in labor gives birth
and the rest of his brothers return
to join the Israelites.

7 The remnant of Jacob will be
in the midst of many peoples
like dew from the LORD,
like showers on the grass,
which do not wait for man
or linger for mankind.

JPS TN''K renders:"which do not look to any man, or place their hope in mortals."
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:31 AM
43 .  and
Jer. 17
5 This is what the LORD says:
"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who depends on flesh for his strength
and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

Job 33
12 "But I tell you, in this you are not right,
for God is greater than man.
Deut. 4
35 You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God besides him there is no other.
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:25 AM
44 .  dom
three witnesses say directly that G-D is not a man. I will not deny the word of G-D.

Here is what He thinks of trusting in men:
psalms 146
3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in mortal men, who cannot save.

Isaiah 2
22 Stop trusting in man,
who has but a breath in his nostrils.
Of what account is he?
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:19 AM
45 .  No Cappyou see this is where my heart is,
i deal best with the people i came from, hippies, drugs, alcoholics, hookers, i was there, i grew up in Chicago.....Ran Hard with Devil, was best friends with him. Never feared him once till i got saved, was a crack head, honestly weighed 98 pounds when i quit. Had played lead guitar in a blues band on the road. you name it i did it. AND LIKED IT.
i would love to preach in Jail, but there is plenty out here on the street.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 7:17 AM
46 .  dom
1 Sam. 15
29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind for he is not a man, that he should change his mind."

Hos. 11
9 I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man—
the Holy One among you.
I will not come in wrath. [c]

 
cap   9/21/2008 7:13 AM
47 .  Dom
This is about intellectual honesty to me. red is not blue. black is not white. I really don''t care how many preachers say otherwise.

numbers 23
19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

 
cap   9/21/2008 7:10 AM
48 .  dom
I am aquainted with those scriptures anyway, I was a Christian for a long time. But I appreciate your kind words and am pleased to call you a friend as well.

Torah doesn''t always feel good. I was raised on cheeseburgers!

All man/allG-D?

I suppose you want the scriptures?
 
cap   9/21/2008 7:03 AM
49 .  all
there is no way I can field questions from 3 people very well, and you all know this.
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:58 AM
50 .  My summary for what its worth
you said you found something that feels good. when you do good works it does feel good. to keep the law pleases the flesh, but Capp he sent his son, who is all amn BUT that Man was G-ds Son, he was all G-d...to keep the law is pleasing the flesh, for a Gentile, it wasn''t written to you, your is in Christ, free, maybe that gift is to easy for some. the commandments sown on your heart ARE sometimes harder to keep than the law....especially when your free
Please write those down read them close and just think about ...for A FRIEND OK....thats all im asking
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:58 AM
51 .  dom
I like the Deut. What are you saying?
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:56 AM
52 .  Cap
I am truly sorry for you . You were not blinded as the Jews were . You chose to be blind .
 
Charles   9/21/2008 6:47 AM
53 .  Let''s get this straight...
Jesus became man 2000 years ago, and He is Eternal God. No need to blaspheme.
 
Jim Borge   9/21/2008 6:47 AM
54 .  and Last of Deut.
the Spirit of G-d revealed Jesus to you, there is a Grave danger of in denighing that truth

Deut 6:8-11
8And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

10And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

11And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not when thou shalt have eaten and be full
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:46 AM
55 .  dom
see, I''m not falling away from G-D, I''m repenting. I''m believing the words of Torah and TN''K.

It is against scripture to call a man G-D and v/v.

It''s also against scripture to put your trust in a man.

I''ll be back in a minute.
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:44 AM
56 .  dom
Is it more repentance to call a man G-D and put my trust in a man,

Or is repentance turning away from the deeds I do that are against Torah?
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:40 AM
57 .  Its not abou that, its about being a Gentile
in that day i promise a gentile did not get Circumcised. it was identification.
Now

Heb 6:4-7
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
KJV

Deut 6:4-8
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand,
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:39 AM
58 .  Dom
1. If you are free from the law, you can''t break it.

2. It wasn''t Moses'' law, it IS G-D''s.

3. I don''t count count a his death as unholy.

4. It is by grace that any are born at all, let alone "saved" by resurrection. Everything is grace, G-D doesn''t owe you squat.

5. and anyway, Psalms and elsewhere clearly identify G-D himself as salvation.
Isaiah 63
16 But you are our Father,
though Abraham does not know us
or Israel acknowledge us
you, O LORD, are our Father,
our Redeemer from of old is your name.


 
Cap   9/21/2008 6:37 AM
59 .  Just here what he has to say Ok
Now go back and read Heb 6:4-6 again

Heb 6:4-7
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:31 AM
60 .  dom
I am circumcised from birth anyway.
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:26 AM
61 .  this is Important to me that you at least read it 2 more
Heb 10:26-29
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28He that despised Moses'' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:25 AM
62 .  Dom
"18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised."

Paul is directly opposed to the Holy Scripture:

Isaiah 56
6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD
to serve him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to worship him,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-

7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations."

8 The Sovereign LORD declares—
he who gathers the exiles of Israel:
"I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered."
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:23 AM
63 .  Dom
"5And have tasted the good word of God"

That''s the problem, only in the last few years did I actually mentally taste the word of G-D. Before that, I just listened to what others said, not studied for myself
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:20 AM
64 .  now Capp
1 Cor 7:18
18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
KJV


3 more post and im done with this OK
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:18 AM
65 .  now Capp
1 Cor 7:18
18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
KJV


3 more post and im done with this OK
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:17 AM
66 .  shaul
I am circumcised, I endevour to keep all the Torah I can, and Christ is of no concern to me as the bible forbids me from putting my trust in a man in the first place. This includes Moshiach, whether it''s Jesus or another.

"Capp i am gonna send you Just a few scrpitures , you read them and sse if the Lord speaks to you , i will never bring it up again."

If I were offended by this, I wouldn''t be on this site :)

You are just used to the verbaly abusive *&%$&%''s that you have been arguing with.
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:16 AM
67 .  Capp Remember this is to a Gentile that
wants live under the Letter of the Law.
Now whats he saying here?

Heb 6:4-6
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:13 AM
68 .  to Capp 1st
Gal 5:2-4
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law ye are fallen from grace.
KJV
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:08 AM
69 .  dom
well america has a giant statue of ishtar, (that filthy whore) in her main city. We also have the largest obelisk as far as I know. And the country is full of church buildings with obelisks on top, usually with a tau of tammuz.

Nimrod would be proud, I think.

Oh, and don''t forget the millions of unwanted babies that are killed. Compare our abortion to sacrifices to molech
 
cap   9/21/2008 6:03 AM
70 .  1500 LOL
i had a friend i went elk Hunting with, we could not get close to one of them suckers, last day of the trip, he took i swear a 1200 to 1400 yard shot and hit that bull. w/ that 7mm.....
Capp i am gonna send you Just a few scrpitures , you read them and sse if the Lord speaks to you , i will never bring it up again.
Please read them right, what i am saying is dont misread them.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 6:02 AM
71 .  TO JIM
now i am not being a smart alek, a friend showed this to me. get your globe out. America is in between the two rivers. find the Euphrates draw a line East to America. find the Tigris and draw a line west to America. Its there right in line. End time babylon has no Jews, my people come out of her, sit on many waters, Not Iraq, born of a mother. Not Iraq, america was born of England, Biggest economic & military power in the world AT the TIME of its destruction,
and is the Hammer of the Earth. Never Never Never will that be Iraq.
 
DOM   9/21/2008 5:52 AM
72 .  but
we can dicuss the end of an age if you like.

I''m listening to afropop worldwide on NPR right now, it''s great. I love me some reggae.
 
cap   9/21/2008 5:47 AM
73 .  well...
you said it was a problem that I belived in Judaism, but wasn''t born Jewish. (something like that)
 
cap   9/21/2008 5:41 AM
74 .  1500!
"thou shalt not bear false witness"!

you may be more accurate, but I look like a hero!
 
cap   9/21/2008 5:39 AM
75 .  Dom
cool! I promise I will try to behave! I bookmarked your site. It is nice to talk to someone who isn''t abusive when they find out you disagree. If we''re not carefull, we could learn something.
 
cappy   9/21/2008 5:34 AM
76 .  so what are we discussing when,
or if there is a Rapture or both..im confused/
Capp i like 7mm mag 1500 yards/
 
Dom   9/21/2008 5:33 AM
77 .  so what are we discussing wwhen,
or if there is a Rapture or both..im confused/
Capp i like 7mm mag 1500 yards
 
Dom   9/21/2008 5:31 AM
78 .  Capp you on a roll
your alright buddy.... they tell me once i approve the writer, it goes directly on the post, and yours did. At my web.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 5:24 AM
79 .  This ain''t too bad either...


http://heavens-gates.com/intheblue/areyoutired.html
 
Bullseye Bill   9/21/2008 5:24 AM
80 .  Jaroslav again
Oh, and Hornady has the best ammo going. If that''s not in the Bible, it should be. Might be in Midrash...
 
captaindawg   9/21/2008 4:27 AM
81 .  Edward again
woops! It would help if I finished the thought!

the seven spirits are:

Isa. 11
1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -

seven in all.
 
Captaindawg   9/21/2008 4:25 AM
82 .  Jaroslav
It is not code. An AR10 is similar to the M16 or AR15 rifle. It, however, is chambered for the .308 winchester round. This is a larger, heavier round with more knock-down power.

Like I said though, it won''t be your salvation. But they are fun to shoot and will let you protect your family from criminals. I suggest mounting a Leupold mark2 telescope and buying a bunch of ammo! Enjoy!
 
captaindawg   9/21/2008 4:20 AM
83 .  Edward
About prov. 8:30-32. Thats wisdom talking, not Jesus or the messiah.

4John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

obviously different characters.
 
captaindawg   9/21/2008 4:14 AM
84 .  to captaindawg AR-10?
I am not very clever. I can not decode coded messages. If you want to pass message to me you have to make it plain.
Sure, no every Plain Truth will fit every doctrine and believe under the sun. If we do not agree with truth which does not fit what we believe then we better hide it under the carpet.
 
Jaroslav   9/21/2008 4:12 AM
85 .  to captaindawg AR-10?
I am not very clever. I can not decode coded messages. If you want to pass message to me you have to make it plain.
Sure, no every Plain Truth will fit every doctrine and believe under the sun. If we do not agree with truth which does not fit what we believe then we better hide it under the carpet.
 
Jaroslav   9/21/2008 4:05 AM
86 .  Jim Borge, "People fail to see". "You''re SO Right"!
The 144,000 Jewish evangelists (12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Jacob) saved in the Tribulation, will go throughout the world preaching the "Gospel of Jesus" to the world! This will result in the salvation of "millions" of people, Jews and Gentiles, that will either be martyred by Antichrist, or they will merge into the 1,000 year reign of Yeshua the Messiah, when He comes back to earth!

The church will not be able to reach every corner of earth with the "Great Commission" while they are on earth, but these "Flaming Jewish Evangelists" will scour the earth''s surface, preaching the Word of God like the Word has never-been-preached before! Oh, what zeal they will have as they go-forth into all of the world, preaching the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, and His death, buriel and resurrection, to people(s).

"For GOD SO LOVED the world, that He gave His only begotten Son (Proverbs 8: 30, 31, 32 Jn: 1) that whosoever believeth in Him , should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3: 16).
 
Edward   9/21/2008 3:55 AM
87 .  Dom !
What up, homes? I had a very restful shabbat.
 
cappy   9/21/2008 3:44 AM
88 .  Hey Capp!
How are ya?...have not seen you for a few days.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 3:12 AM
89 .  To Jim
hey thanks for your second post to me at the web page, i chose not to post that, it was between me and you...i really am glad you told me that, "Me to".
thanks again.....i did post the first one.
i will be doing Ezekiel''s Vision next, probably tonite late.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 3:07 AM
90 .  Jaroslav
Maybe you should add an AR-10 (not 15) to the list of things you believe in.

That won''t really help you either though...
 
captaindawg   9/21/2008 2:58 AM
91 .  to Charles awalys appreciate
your input..... A Roman Centurion asked Jesus "What is truth".........
it was the greatest question in the Bible......i know you study and seek the truth, i respect that. i hope you know that of me.
 
Dom   9/21/2008 2:53 AM
92 .  To Jaroslav
you know i am human, it was just a story, wasn''t scripture, wasn''t life or death, i told where i got the story, Russia Today.....told people to go read it, if i was wrong , iwas wrong......and i am pretty sure that if you dont want to be Raptured , you wont. so if you want to do the woe is me thing, have at er bud.....one thing is for sure, i am not gonna spend another minute on any of this with you. OK....when it comes to scripture, you''ll have a pretty tough time saying, thats not what is says. you may argue thats not what it meant, but it will say what i claim it says. Got Me
 
Dom   9/21/2008 2:46 AM
93 .  it was 69,999,999 get your facts straight, LOL
Got ya....hey the story i read said the US, well i have to go back and find it.
But thats really not the issue is it Jaroslav
 
Dom   9/21/2008 2:22 AM
94 .  About 70 000 000 Christians have been killed
since the time of Christ, sometimes in horrible ways. If they all believed that they will not go trough tribulation because there will be secret rapture before, then they would possibly loose the faith in last moments of their life. You better be prepared for worse and if the worse will pass you by then thank God. Or maybe you are better then all those millions before you.??

 
Jaroslav   9/21/2008 1:45 AM
95 .  Jim Borge
I think we would be more likely to predict the beginning of the Tribulation . I''m thinking before January, maybe October .
 
Charles   9/21/2008 1:36 AM
96 .  Hey Guys...
Let''s give the timing of the Rapture a rest! BENFOX, brother, calm down or these people will give you a stroke!
MARANATHA!
 
Jim Borge   9/21/2008 1:19 AM
97 .  Dom
Eugene and I do not want to go through the Tribulation, and we do not want to fall under the title " Foolish Virgins " . The stakes are too high . Jesus did not spend His extreemly precious time on this earth giving us clues that we must ENDURE for nothing . There are no winners or who is smarter here . It''s all about Jesus and fellow servents looking after his brother .
If Jesus tarries beyond the beginning of the Tribulation was the question ? We have all heard of the Great Falling Away , walking away , turning away or turning to the worldly messiah because the Bride Groom is not coming or feeling that He rejected you . I will prepare myself to endure until the end Matt 24:13. BTW Eugene brought something to my attention that I didn''t know . It caused some rethinking of Israels troubles . Still we must seek the truth , when we do we seek the Lord .
Blessings to You .
 
Charles   9/21/2008 1:15 AM
98 .  to Dom about his statement
This is not correct what you stated in your previous post:"The Us told Russia that they were going to use the Georgian Air strip to take the Iran missile sites...........that will go over well".
In fact Russia was warning that USA will use Georgia as a launching place in any aggression of USA against Iran. Get the facts right before writing.
 
Jaroslav   9/21/2008 1:01 AM
99 .  huh.....ill have to get it
I will show a couple of short scriptures to why i am pre trib later this evening.....been mowing all day, im starved.
later Jim
 
Dom   9/21/2008 12:03 AM
100 .  Dom
We will have to agree to disagree then. To me, when Scripture mentions a geographical location, it is always important for proper interpretation. Our imaginations can be vain and misleading. By the way, Joel Rosenberg deals with the topic of Babylon/Iraq in his book EPICENTER (Now available in paperback at Amazon: good price also). If you have the book, see chapter 11. Joel is not a prophet, but some of the things he wrote about in his fictional books came to pass! He has great insight, and well worth the read.
 
Jim Borge   9/20/2008 11:37 PM
101 .  thanks Jim i will post them both
multitudes will get save but i believe the current Church will be gone. now thats the way i see it. either way much is about to happen.
next week news will be huge i think... i think soon there will mention of a world currency... and the US will say the heck with that, and thats when Someone , you know who will decide in his own mind that the US , what i believe Babylon has to be Destroyed. and i believe they will plan our demise from there.

I really respect yours and Charles position. i have looked at it and looked at it, i think its us(Babylon) and now (Rapture)
i may be wrong.. but i just cant see it.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 10:37 PM
102 .  DOM
I just visited your weblog and am impressed. I added it to my "favorites", and will return when I have the time. I left a couple of comments awaiting moderation. The first you may find disagreeable, but I left Scriptural responses. Be Blessed!
 
Jim Borge   9/20/2008 9:55 PM
103 .  People fail to see...
That during the tribulation MULTITUDES will be saved due to the preaching of the 144,000 Jews and the testimony of the Two Witnesses. This accounts for the "saints" being present on earth after REV 4. Many of these saints will be martyred.
 
Jim Borge   9/20/2008 9:45 PM
104 .  Charles
I liked you post titled rapture. Very good analogy. Did you see the verses I gave below from Revelation? Date 9-20-08 time 3:55 AM.
 
Eugene   9/20/2008 9:07 PM
105 .  Charles

 
Eugene   9/20/2008 9:04 PM
106 .  To Charles
So if he tarries another year which i dont believe he will, but if he does was i wrong?
message is the same.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 8:33 PM
107 .  the FED 6 moths ago
printed 1 trillion dollars and or tax Checks, that failed to boost the economy, and America sucked it up like it was nothing.....they are going to do it again, because the US buys everything from everywhere, and it will fail much more quickly this time. now this money the FED Reserve is printing is out of thin air, not backed by Gold.
That will be the new plan on the news next week. TheFED RESERVE must eliminate the US dollar to Cre-ate the New world currency.........
How will this Happen?
you tell Me, Maybe the US wont be here.
he (AC) is ready
what did you all think you would see , clouds swirling in the sky...
 
Dom   9/20/2008 6:52 PM
108 .  AC is running up the steps
right now, and we are sleeping....
we are about to see the second greatest event ever happen in history, to the coming of the Messiah..
always latter, always another time and day....guess what....well Just watch
 
Dom   9/20/2008 6:30 PM
109 .  the FED which is not the US Fed
it is the beast that the whore(US) rides on.....must destroy the US dollar....so that it can cre-ate the the New world currency........that is in motion this very minute
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/-Darkest-day-for-Scottish.4503252.jp
 
Dom   9/20/2008 6:24 PM
110 .  the Bank of Scottland 300 yrs Old
went bust last week in 48 hrs.....
22,000,000,000 customers.
not one thing in the news about it.......why?
World Panic
 
Dom   9/20/2008 6:00 PM
111 .  Rapture ?
I do believe that Pre Tribulation Rapturist anchor their whole faith on the same poor assumptions that the Foolish Virgins made according to the parable of Jesus . We know what the outcome was there . When these people see that ( by their own interpretations ) the Bible is flawed when they realize they are in Tribulation , the very foundations of their faith will crumble . The Wise Virgins knew that the Brides Groom might delay his coming . Throughout these scriptures He has warned you of such . The chimpanze works only for immediate gratification , where as the orangutan will work for delayed gratification . Humans share the same characteristics as those two primates . These characteristics guide our very lives and our interpretation (needs) of the Bible . For those that will examine yourselves . Will you work for a greater future reward or must you have it now . You may learn something about yourself .
 
Charles   9/20/2008 5:59 PM
112 .  The false "Church" is the same...age.

 
BKN   9/20/2008 5:44 PM
113 .  Church..Ekklesia..an assembly
Church..Ekklesia (Greek)..congregation
Sunagoge(Greek)...congregation
Synagogue..a bringing toghether, a gathering
Tabernacle...Skene(Greek)..a tent, booth, tabernacle.

The True Church is the gathering together into ONE BODY, those in whom the Spirit of Jesus Christ dwells.

A Body that has been growing in number and faith for 2000 years.

(Vine''s New Testement Greek)
 
BKN   9/20/2008 5:43 PM
114 .  Non Belief
1 Tim 4:1-2
4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy having their conscience seared with a hot iron
KJV
 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:18 PM
115 .  so
2 Thess 2:1-3
2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
KJV
 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:09 PM
116 .  Apostasia
# The parallel between verse 3 and 7-8, showing the antichrist is revealed after the rapture.
# Words With Similar Definitions: methormizô, remove from one anchorage to another
# Words With Similar Definitions: metex-anistamai, Pass., move from one place to another
# Apostasia is translated as "Dissecto" in Latin, which has a meaning of a "spacial departure".
# Apostasia is translated as "departure" in many Bibles.
# Liddell and Scott Dictionary authors note Apostasia is translated as "spacial departure" in one case in the 6th century.
# metatithemi, used for Enoch''s rapture, and apostasia both mean "to fall away"
# metatithemi, used for Enoch''s rapture, and apostasia both mean "to depart"
 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:05 PM
117 .  Comfort one another
1 Thess 5:4
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV
 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:01 PM
118 .  Be Not Ignorant
1 Thess 4:13
13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
KJV
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:58 PM
119 .  now Check this Out
Hos 6:4
4O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.
KJV

Ps 90:4
4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
KJV

2 Peter 3:8
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:16 PM
120 .  Cre-at-ion story
7 Days:
in 6 days he crea-ted the the world and all that was in it.
the Seventh(The day of the Lord)
From Isaiah to Mal (the day of the Lord)
is mentioned 300 times
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:12 PM
121 .  when Jesus came
Gen 29:31

31And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
KJV

the Lion of Judah (Jesus)

Gen 29:35
35And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the LORD: therefore she called his name Judah and left bearing.
KJV

Dinah
(the time of Judgment)
7th was a daughter,the end of 6000 yr 7 yr Judgment Tribulatin
and was a daughter (the bride)

Gen 30:21
21And afterwards she bare a daughter, and called her name Dinah.
KJV
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:04 PM
122 .  My Arrogance Betrayed me
for that i am sorry, i let people sometimes get to me and i show my Adam side. the Message was great. Please do not throw the Baby out with the bath water. Jesus loves us all, that was not the point here.
i will work harder on my people skills.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 8:48 AM
123 .  I think I''ll take my huge following and
Go sit on top of a mountain and wait for the Rapture.
ignorance gone way out to sea...
think theres room?
 
Dom   9/20/2008 6:17 AM
124 .  i believe the deacons are ready to fire me LOL

 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:34 AM
125 .  and i never did teach what was popular,
i teach what is necessary to rightly divide the the Word of G-d. IF YOU KNOW WHO he was talking to, you know HOW to intemperate it.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:28 AM
126 .  i will never sugarcoat the word to please
your ego''s, enough preachers do that today. and i wont apologize for his word either. IF I WERE A JEW, i could see you pointing your finger at me... but i am not......this message WAS NOT about weather he loved you or not.
it was simply interpreting the word from a Jewish perspective.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 5:18 AM
127 .  and Ben this discussion did not
have to go here.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:47 AM
128 .  and Ben this discussion dod not
have to go here.
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:46 AM
129 .  silly, Eugene you tell him yourself
the little Indians are out, i see a few were not ready for that message.
Children
 
Dom   9/20/2008 4:38 AM
130 .  Charles
You can give these to BENFOX. He keeps asking for them, but I doubt that he will read a post from me. Revelation 5:9&10 - Revelation 6: 9-11 - Revelation 11:18 - Revelation 12:17 - Revelation 13:7 - Revelation 16:15 Revelation 17:6 -Revelation 18:4. The word church is not used. But who are His saints, His Holy People, the ones who obey the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, the ones who guard their cloths so the won''t be found naked, the martyrs,or my people. The people are the church not any building or denomination. All of these verses talk about the church.
 
Eugene   9/20/2008 3:55 AM
131 .  Charles, your right about Rev. 22 but that was
never a question, The Question was where from Rev chapter 4 to 19 is the word church mentioned. Can you answer the orginal question? I don''t think so Charles. I asked that question of all those who believe they are going through the tribulation. The church is mentioned in the first 3 chapters and then never mentioned from chapter 4 to chapter 19 but, is mentioned after 19 again. Thank you for you blessing Charles, I really do appricate it. The same back to you and yours.
 
BENFOX   9/20/2008 12:11 AM
132 .  The word Church after Rev. 4 check it out
Revelations 22 verse16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto these things in the CHURCHES ". Rev 22 verse 12 and Rev. 16 verse 15 can only be instructing the CHURCH.
But go thy way in peace Benfox and prosper in the Lord .
 
Charles   9/20/2008 12:03 AM
133 .  BKN
Isn''t it wonderfully awesome that God does love us and puts up with us? We are told to love one another and we would be known by that love. We are told to love as we are loved by our Heavenly Father. What an impossibility for us. It''s not impossible for God and we can do so as well by His Holy Spirit living in us. Part of discerning is being able to tell what is said in love and what is said in the flesh. It''s usually pretty obvious.
 
Betty   9/19/2008 11:43 PM
134 .  I agree BKN
I''m done, trust me I''m done
 
Dom   9/19/2008 10:45 PM
135 .  something has surfaced here
and i feel i need to this discussion with you. this is Between you and G-d.
not me.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 10:30 PM
136 .  Easy there, guys..don''t get so excited.
The Apostle Paul never considered the gentile believers anything different thant the Jewish believers. That whole thing had to do with being chosen...that Jesus came to them, first. And demonstrated His love and power, first.

Much as a parent teaches his firstborn, and chrishes his firstborn, then others come along and are loved and taught and cherished. The firstborn is still the first, but that doesn''t deminish in the love of a parent, the second, or the third.

Some of the points of combat on these posts are not as important as love, EVER. Contesting one another brings on more ire and snowballs into something you may regret.

The Lord will bring us to Himself, and He is the Teacher. Relax, points don''t need to be driven in. That is how the flesh operates.
 
BKN   9/19/2008 10:29 PM
137 .  thats where you have stinkin
thinkin, Its not about being a 2nd class citizen.

maybe you better Just take this up with G-d
 
Dom   9/19/2008 10:26 PM
138 .  Dom do what ever you want, you have a
agenda, if you''ll admit it or not. You can''t answer or show me where it is clear that the church is 2nd class, that''s called pride. You read verse to say what you want them to say. I have asked you how many people you have led to the Lord through your beliefs and get no answer, sometimes no answer is the answer. You want to be a Eugene, right on, doesn''t break my heart one bit. What breaks my heart is you don''t know scripture yet your the great preacher. Preach all you want, I along with many I know will be praying that people will not give into your unsound doctrine. Have a good old Missori Mule life and hope to see you at the Supper.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 10:14 PM
139 .  I have read and you as usual don''t like my
answer. I don''t see levels of exceptence that you want to read into what isn''t there. You haven''t shown me anything except your private interpretation of a scripture. Yes Jesus came to save the house of Israel but what happened when they rejected him. You don''t want to go there because that messes up you religious ideas and that just can''t happen since you are the sole prophet concerning this unbiblical belief about the bride, the body, the church being 2nd class.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 10:08 PM
140 .  cult leaders lift up them selves
How does this help me? i dont even know you people!

one more remark like that Ben and i will pull a Eugene and never speak to you again.
i dont deserve that
 
Dom   9/19/2008 10:04 PM
141 .  are you stupid enough to believe I am line up
against Israel? Nothing I have ever said on this site would ever come close in impling that, so don''t say for me what isn''t true. I''ve been there and I have even asked to join there army and was turned down by my age. I don''t need a pretend jew to tell me about my love for the Jews. Look up how many people by the name of Fox are Jewish, get a clue. I don''t know my dads background, so until I can prove it otherwise, I believe I am a gentile. A gentile believe who never be a 2nd class born again christian because you think your the only one with the truth. If I find out I''m jewish, I would never tell another member of the body and a member who is the bride that because I''m Jewish, God excepts me over them. That would be a lie from the very pits of hell and not the Love of God.
 
BENDOX   9/19/2008 9:56 PM
142 .  No i said read it for yourself, then tell me
you think i have one Holy Spirit and you Another....you wont read it.
as usual you are gonna just argue without reading it.

its there, read it if you want to.
i am not, gonna get into you have this and i have that...Garbage
i showed you with the scripture
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:52 PM
143 .  Dom, you read what you want to see and I''m
sure you hear what you want to hear. I believe Jesus was talking to you when He said they have ears but, cannot hear and eyes but, they can not see. What did you mean that Jesus giving His life wasn''t enough, do you have a clue? I know for sure I''m saved and Only Jesus could bring that about. Did Jesus make you a Jew Dom or are you those he spoke of who thought they were Jews, aren''t you the jealous gentile who because he was born in the chosen, that you now have to pretend, so you''ll feel good about your salvation. As a member of the body of Christ, made up of Jews and Gentiles and being the Bride of Christ, made up of Jews and Gentiles, I''m not jealous of anyone or anything and I''m not a second class bride or a second class body. We are all one in Christ, His words also.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:50 PM
144 .  i wonder why the world is Lined up against Israel
do you really think i am the first to see that.
But where is your heart, G-d sent his only begotten Son to save the world, But the Jew is Still G-ds chosen people.

i would rather be a second class citizen in heaven, than to be a first class citizen in hell........
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:45 PM
145 .  Dom, I''m learning, your interpretation, right or
wrong is the only truth. That is how cults get started. Your reading in something that isn''t there and then when someone disagrees, its the Holy Spirit talking to only you, so that is the reason onlly you can understand it and all the good scollars of altimes have just had it wrong. I''m glad I''m not going to be in your shoes when the Lord returns. I hope not too many people will worship at your altar of false statements and they will see through your pride. You must read a totally different Bible then the one I read. By the way, how many people have you lead to the Lord with this doctrine? Did you tell them when they were called out and convicted of the Holy Spirit about their sins and they excepted Christ, that they would be second class citizens in heaven because they weren''t born Jewish and they do not become a Jew by nature when they except Christ? How many peoples faith have you ruined?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:42 PM
146 .  Dom, I enjoy our banner but, no where in the
Bible can you show me that the church the bride of Christ is a second class citizen and if you need to live in that dream world and not prove it, you are preaching a hersay. That is not Bible. Yes the Jews are special and they are the chosen of God but the church that did not replace the Jews or become Jews but are made up of both Jews and Gentiles are His purified Bride and I don''t think Jesus would marry a 2nd class citizen, If according to you, He would only marry a Jewish women and the church is not just for Jews.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:35 PM
147 .  Funny BeN you did not read the
scriptures in Mark and Mattew very well.
you are a Jealous Gentile

wonder who said this:
Mark 7:27-29
27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children''''s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

i guess Jesus giving his life for you wasnt enough.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:34 PM
148 .  What are you saying Dom? Are there 2 Holy
Spirits? You seem to be telling me that only you can discern what the Holy Spirit says, is tht what you want to convay? I believe I have as much Holy Spirit discernment as yourself, unless you can show me some credinials that make you a end time prophet? Of course we don''t need prophets today because we have the completed revelation of God, from Gen to Rev. We have that which is perfect. 2 Tim 3:16-17. Did God revise this and made some prophets today? missed out on that revelation>
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:30 PM
149 .  Thats right Ben

 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:24 PM
150 .  So as a blood washed Gentile believer, in Gods
eyes I''m a 2nd class citizen in His plans, Haven''t read that anywhere in His Word. Would you show me. I''m interested?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:21 PM
151 .  well good Ben now go read what i sent you
through the eyes of who it was written to.......I promise the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to you.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:21 PM
152 .  answer to #2, for just the point you want to make
but, we gain because of their loss. Again, I don''t replace and God did not replace the Jews with the church. He called out those for Himself of both Jews and Gentiles to be His bride and we are in the process of being purified through the Holy Spirit for that re in heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb and I''m looking forward to that day, come soon Lord Jesus.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:19 PM
153 .  we Gentiles better get it through
our thick sculls that the Jews are still the chosen people, and everything that happens will revolve around Israel.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:16 PM
154 .  He came to save the house of Israel, that is
very plain and that is what He said. Because they rejected him, not all but, most of the religious leaders of that time. He saved the rest of us foolish gentiles by the gospel. I''m not jealous, I am thankful. Roman 10:12-13 "For there is no difference beween the Jew and the Gentile: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For (whosoever) shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved)" The church is made up of Jews and Gentiles, Those first saved we Jews, as a member of Gods church, I did not become a Jew by nationality but I partake of the same ROOT as they, the Lord Jesus Christ. When a Jew is saved he doesn''t stop being a Jew, but both of us become the Bride of Christ, The Body, the Church. No one in the church replaces the Jewish economy in anyway, shape or form.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:15 PM
155 .  Of course he was the New Testament
why is this story in here Ben?

Mark 7:27-29
27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children''s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

28And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children''s crumbs.

29And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:12 PM
156 .  Of course he was the New Testament
why is this story in here Ben?

Mark 7:27-29
27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children''s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

28And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children''s crumbs.

29And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:10 PM
157 .  here
Matt 15:26-28
26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children''s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters'' table.

28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:07 PM
158 .  When Jesus refers BACK He is approving the OT
by what He said, where was He? in the NT confirming what was done then was true. I''m not sure but, I think it is pretty simple stuff, don''t mean to make you mad Dom. I like you. I''m just not seeing what you are and its not because I''m not skilled at the Word. You have one religious belief and I have another. We kick it around and we don''t agree that''s fine. nothing hurt and we both get to sharpen the skills God gave us. Enjoy, time is short and we still have to have coffee.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:04 PM
159 .  and by the way WHO washe teaching
The Jews, he came as a Jew, he taught
to the Jews

He came to save The Whole World, but he came to Minister to the Jews.

now that will make some Jealous Gentile mad.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:03 PM
160 .  I don''t see any heavy stuff or hidden stuff
in the OT or the NT. God reveals to a person what He feels he is ready to handle and always supplies our scripurial needs as we go. I find it strange that God would show you the church where it didn''t exist. I see the temple, I see animial sacrifice, that shows without the shedding of blood there is no atonement, both OT and NT. Jesus was our once for all blood sacrifice. Gen 3. You (serpent) will bruse His heel and He will crush your head. 1st gospel message. Leafs (mans way of religious atonement), Animal skins (the shedding of blood and death) Gods way of atonement found in Gen. I have read most of your quotes and they just don''t refer the church, you put it there but, not even implied? Its what you want to believe and that is fine. Its your life and only God can judge you according to your ability. Have a good day friend.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 9:00 PM
161 .  Ben did you hear what you Just said
Jesus referred back to the Old testament to teach

oh never mind
i didnt make this stuff up Ben
im NOT THAT SMART
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:57 PM
162 .  Ben now thats your ego talking
its there , if want to read it fine if you don''t thats fine.
i did all i could
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:51 PM
163 .  Im not
I am just a man crying out in the wilderness.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:48 PM
164 .  Dom, the NT confirs the OT, Where did it say
in the OT that the Messiah would have 12 apostles and that the church would be brought about by the Holy Spirit on Pentecost? It doesn''t, that which is later always affirms that which went before it. Jesus always referred back too!! unless He was talking about prophecies .
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:47 PM
165 .  I''m sorry Dom, I didn''t know you were a
Prophet until now. How many years of study have you done? I know when I got saved, I only spend about 14 hours a day in the scriptures for a period of a year, where I couldn''t work because of a operation. Then God put me in a taxi cab, not a job I wanted but, in between trips for six days a week I had the chance to study and lead hundreds to the Lord. Then I had all day Sunday to study. This has been for a little over 20 years but, I still can''t see? Have preached the gospel in 18 countries in Europe, 5 in the Middle east and 15 in the far east, Austraila, New Zealand, Mexico and Canada but, I don''t know much Bible. I wonder why God would trust me and make a way for me to go to all these places if I couldn''t see?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:42 PM
166 .  Remember the Old always confirms the New

 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:40 PM
167 .  try this
just go back without any pre conceived ideas, and see if it comes to you.

there is some heavy stuff there, you have to read it word for word....
its scripture i didnt write it. im just show you what the Lord showed me.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:36 PM
168 .  We the believers are getting prepared for
The weddig, read Ephesians chapter 5 and see how we are being prepared. Even in the 1st chapter of Rev. through to 4 the churches are in place at the time of the writings of John not in the days of the OT, how you can put them there is beyond reason, since we have history that prove these churches which represent the churches from their inception to the last one never existed until after the death, burial and resurrection of our Living Savior, so why do want to keep put them in the OT?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:35 PM
169 .  the problem is
its hard to read.....and understand, it took me years of studying before, i finaly
got it. and people much smarter than me were tying for years to show it to me.

it all boils down to what and WHO the bible was talking to......once you get that......it becomes so clear.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:31 PM
170 .  Friend Ben, where am I stuck? If I''m wrong,
where will the marriage supper of the Lamb be? Where is the Bema seat judgement held and when? No mention of the church in the OT except that a people who didn''t know Him would except Him? No mention of the church after Chapter 4 of Rev. and where does the deception get uncovered? At the temple. If the church was there would they have been worshipping in the temple? With the technology we have today, where would we hide to avoid the mark of the beast. I believe someone has some explainen to do?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:29 PM
171 .  the point was to learn to look at it
from a Jewish Perspective
Maybe Just Maybe it has been since the Time of Genesis 6000 yr wedding rehearsal, getting ready for the wedding and the Honeymoon.

but your never gonna take the time, to see, what you must already know.
your stuck
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:23 PM
172 .  Now in the end times, He is about to get
the Jewish clock started again. The church doesn''t go to the temple, so why does the anti-christ help the Jews build one at the start of the tribulation? To decieve them into believing he is messiah. Sure it looks like all is fine, the messiah has come but Gods word says when they say peace and safety, destruction comes quickly. Can there be tribulation where everything looks fine? Yes if people are decieved. As a believer, would I sit there and let this happen knowing the truth? Remember, if there is a pretri rapture, there will be mass confusion on earth and everyone will be looking for someone to reassure them. The anti-christ? Daniel is written to the Jews about things to do with the Jews, not the church. If you except the good God promises, then would you not also recieve the bad?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:22 PM
173 .  I love ya but your stuck
if you dont read it, all of it, you wont see it....
 
Ben   9/19/2008 8:15 PM
174 .  The church did not exist in the OT, it came about
at Pentecost, after the death,burial and resurrection from the dead. During the OT the Holy Spirit would fill a person for a mission and then leave, after Pentecost He dwells with believes as a down payment until we go to be with the Lord. God has 2 economies. One Jewish and another for the church. When He was asked He said He came to save the house of Israel, it wasn''t until after the gospel that His time clock for the Jews stopped and He called out those for His church, both Jew and Gentile.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:12 PM
175 .  Now i am done with pre trib, so if
anyone wants me to go an and show you where rev is talking to 144,000 and not the church where Carol said say so.....to much work if you dont want to here it.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:10 PM
176 .  Dom, you keep going to Matt 24:31 where the
angels bring the elect (who are the elect) can''t be the church that is Holy Spirit filled? read verse 24, the elect can be decieved? and the days need to be shortened for the elect sake. The point I am making is the church and the elect are 2 different groups. The elect are gathered by angels and the church has Christ Himself coming for them in the air. Cant be the same 2 events. !Thess 4:16-17 Christ is not coming to the mount of Olives but the meeting is in the air, so it is not the second coming and ruling on earth. Pretty plain.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:06 PM
177 .  and this
Isa 57:1
57:1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
KJV

Ps 27:5
5For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me he shall set me up upon a rock.
KJV

Jer 30:1-3
30:1The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

2Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

3For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:04 PM
178 .  Now read this carefully/Hang on Ben
Isa 26:19-21
19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:59 PM
179 .  You talk about silver trumpets but aren''t the
Jews using rams horns for signaling? Could there be a good reason for one and not the other. Last night some one try to tell me the trumpets in Rev. were rams horns, I looked it up and in the greek it didn''t seem to say rams horns. There is some confustion somewhere?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:57 PM
180 .  Dr. John Walvoord was the 1st
to Expose the concept of the Rapture

Natzal
13th principle of the Jewish Faith -Resurrection of the Dead

the thereoy of Babylon was from Rabbi Sadia Garone
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:56 PM
181 .  Dr. John Walvoord was the 1st
to Expose the concept of the Rapture

Natzal
13th principle of the Jewish Faith -Resurrection of the Dead

the thereoty of Babylon was from RabbiSadia Garone
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:55 PM
182 .  Dom, The reason the church doesn''t appear between Rev 4 and
19 and then reappear in at 19 is because they aren''t there during the tribulation but, since they have been at the marriage supper and the Bema seat of Christ they appear with him. 2 Corn 5:10 this is not the white throne judgement. And the marriage supper has to be in heaven, Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you in my Fathers House, that is in heaven. When the Bride groom appears for His bride, it is at a time not expected, and they spend 7 days together. thus 7 years. They see the House, they eat (not fast food), they are judged according to what they did after they were saved, and they return to the earth to rule with their king.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:50 PM
183 .  in John we see
John 14:1-2
14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father''s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:47 PM
184 .  Now i forget to mention
Yom Kippur is the blowing of the Great Trump....
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:43 PM
185 .  Rebekah was asked if she would go with Eliezer
Gen 24:58
58And they called Rebekah, and said unto her, Wilt thou go with this man? And she said, I will go.
KJV


Now the Jewish wedding evolved from here the Last 3 post (above)
THE Jewish Perspective
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:40 PM
186 .  Eliezers Fleece before G-d concerning Rebekah
Gen 24:42-46
42And I came this day unto the well, and said, O LORD God of my master Abraham, if now thou do prosper my way which I go

43Behold, I stand by the well of water and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink

44And she say to me, Both drink thou, and I will also draw for thy camels: let the same be the woman whom the LORD hath appointed out for my master''s son.

45And before I had done speaking in mine heart, behold, Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder and she went down unto the well, and drew water: and I said unto her, Let me drink, I pray thee.

46And she made haste, and let down her pitcher from her shoulder, and said, Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also: so I drank, and she made the camels drink also.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:33 PM
187 .  Jewish Wedding
Im gonna clear this once and for all.

Abraham''s Servant (Eliezer)
Gen 15:2-3
2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
KJV

Eliezer was commissioned to take a wife
Gen 24:4
4But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:28 PM
188 .  Yom Kippur (attonment) refered to as
Shofar Hagadol

Matt 24:31
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:18 PM
189 .  called the "Last Trump" (Just hang on)
Rosh shannah (the feast of Trumpets)

1 Cor 15:52
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:14 PM
190 .  SW corner of the Temple is the
place of the Trumpet Blowing:

1St Called the first Trump Shavoat (Pentecost) Exodus 19:19

Num 10:1-5
10:1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2Make thee two trumpets of silver of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.

3And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

4And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.
KJV

Ex 19:19
19And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:08 PM
191 .  Three times in the year the Trumpet is
Significant in Israel.
Ive said this before i know but hang on

In Num 10- God instructed moses, to make 2 silver trumpets
Num 10:1-5
10:1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2Make thee two trumpets of silver of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.

3And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

now remember Verse 4

4And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:02 PM
192 .  go back to Rev 4:1
Rev 4:1
4:1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
KJV

But there is a problem the Church appears again in the 19th Chapter Of REV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:54 PM
193 .  somebody will catch this
1 Cor 15:49-52
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Verse 51 Mystery in Hebrew Sod

51Behold, I shew you a mystery We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Verse 52 the Last Trump (rosh Shannah)

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

Now hang im getting there!
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:48 PM
194 .  3 schools of thought Pre Mid and Post
first let me prove which of these is right.
I have to prove the Church is gone to prove the Rest right?
got to 1 COR
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:41 PM
195 .  now where do i get this crazy notion?
I''ll show you......lets suppose im am RIGHT for ONE MINUTE about John''s vision of the Rapture was Rev 4:1

Rev 4:1
4:1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
KJV


And lets suppose for ONE MINUTE that the church is gone.........The who is the scripture that Carol is talking about talking to?
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:28 PM
196 .  To Carol
thats not the Church, that is the 144,000 in Babylon, the sealed who are not sealed yet.......WHEN the Rapture Happens, they will Realize that they missed the First coming, that Jesus WAS the Messiah, (Right there) they they become sealed and saved....and will flee her (Mystery Babylon) and go to Israel and preach the the Gospel to Israel.
I can prove this with many scriptures
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:13 PM
197 .  Re: the church in Revelation
Just a quick response as I need to go pick up my granddaughter soon:
Rev 18:3-5 KJV (1 of several)
3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, & the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, & the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, & that ye receive not of her plagues.
5For her sins have reached unto heaven, & God hath remembered her iniquities. ]
Vs 7 (b)for she (church) says in her heart " I sit as a queen (queen of heaven, catholic ch) and am not a widow & will never see mourning."
Read further as well. This is the ''woman who rides the beast & also represents her daughters, the protestant churches of that time.
There are more, but I''m out of time.
God bless
 
Carol   9/19/2008 6:02 PM
198 .  My Father always said
a man who does nothing,
does nothing wrong
 
Dom   9/19/2008 5:32 PM
199 .  and Eugene there is nothing worse
than somebody who sit in the woods like an old wild Indian, waiting for some animal to make one little mistake and then they spring out to kill it

I have NO RESPECT for people like that.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 5:28 PM
200 .  One thing I love about BenFox
Once he sees it, he''s got it...

its when he gets mad like many of us, and Ben gets attack on stuff as often as anyone around here.....If he would Just refrain a little more:
But we are all guilty sometimes:

im like him, dont just tell me, prove it to me. i want to see it in the word...not what theologist says
 
Dom   9/19/2008 5:19 PM
201 .  to Eugene
he was closer on that subjest than most were though
 
Dom   9/19/2008 5:10 PM
202 .  BENFOX
Reference your post 9/19/2008 at 4:16 AM. It seems that there are many parts of the Bible that you don''t believe in.
 
Eugene   9/19/2008 5:03 PM
203 .  last: the Seven Kings spoken of
Rev 17:9-10
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

1. Egypt 2. Assyrian 3. Babylonian 4.Medo-Persian 5.Greece 6.Rome 7.Revived Roman empire

and the last to come to power for a short space (7 years)

#8. the Anti-Christ
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:54 PM
204 .  2 or 3 more things to Ben
Read this

Rev 12:1
12:1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
KJV

NOW read this
Gen 37:9
9And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:45 PM
205 .  hey Bud whats yuour story?
why all this turmoil?
Tell me
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:33 PM
206 .  ol king goofball i cant think of his name
It''s benfool.....
 
  9/19/2008 3:59 PM
207 .  Now the COC people will tell you
all this in REV happened already....like Soosie, that is where they get off saying we are already in the Trib.

I promise we are Not.....you will know people when the DAY of the LORD comes......Better trust me on this one

this WILL all start with the Rapture...
and it WILL be SOON
 
Dom   9/19/2008 3:21 PM
208 .  Remeber you got so mad when
i said that Rev was written in Apocaliptic
code........there is a great example
 
Dom   9/19/2008 3:03 PM
209 .  Now Ben let me show you something
Rev 12:4-6
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

KJV

Now me and you know this already happened right?

But Back in 4:1 the rapture has not happened yet right?
 
Dom   9/19/2008 2:59 PM
210 .  But Capp there is one small problem
You are not a Jew by blood.
Capp would you let me show you one thing later on today, not now.....on why i am so so so so worried about this, for you?
 
Dom   9/19/2008 2:55 PM
211 .  ol king goofball i cant think of his name at
the moment........wanted to kill Jesus when he was a small child...

Harrod thats him and had every child under the age of 2 slain.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 2:48 PM
212 .  Dom
"you were and are correct, but you are not blind.......and he did come.....
he was all man..........but cap he was all G-d...........is your son not of you? are you not of he and he not of you.
Capp don''''t turn your back on him"

the problem is:
9 I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man—
the Holy One among you.
I will not come in wrath. [c]

and there is more, too.
 
cappy   9/19/2008 2:43 PM
213 .  do you see what i am Saying?
Ben is right after Rev 4:1 the Church......the saved , the bride is Gone, now after the trib more will come to the bride or you could say the bride put on a little weight:)

lighten up everybody its a new day
 
Dom   9/19/2008 2:42 PM
214 .  Look its Jesus
Rev 12:5-6
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 2:37 PM
215 .  to obsever and who ever
Rev 12:4
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJVSatan was cast from heave along with the fallen angels......
the woman was Israel..........
how do i know this ?

read the next verse
 
Dom   9/19/2008 2:35 PM
216 .  So now you label me the same way Ben! get a grip!
Like has already been said by others! Neither am I offended- what? why?
I am amused though at your twisted logic & your incapacity to discuss intelligently and then habitually blaming it all on others who just differ from you .
No one else here has taken offence as you imply but understandably have curtailed the fruitless exchange of posts with you.
You are the one who is quick to take offence BenFOX and then try to discredit others with that false accusastion. Face up to the truth . Bye bye!!
 
Sarah   9/19/2008 2:01 PM
217 .  to Cap
got your comments to they are posted.
thanks
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:38 AM
218 .  to Ben when you
go back to it, just email me direct to my email address its on the site. im trying to fix that going to another page to post, we are not sure what happened there, i got your post and they are posted. they are making me approve all post....ill fix that to.
thanks for the comments
 
Dom   9/19/2008 9:27 AM
219 .  No problem Bud, I''m sure I do it more then I
want to admit, hope it isn''t a habit? Went to your web site and was inpressed. Looks like some writings I''ve read, anyhow, I tried to sent you a message with my email on it, hope you got it, let me know? Wanted to turn you on to a site I get messages from every week. Prophecy News Watch, keeps me in touch with global happenings and enjoy it. Let me know what you think? I''m up past my bed time. Gods Love and Blessings to you and your Family.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 8:23 AM
220 .  Im guilty Ben i did not finish what you wrote
Sorry Buddy
 
Dom   9/19/2008 8:00 AM
221 .  Ben we are all Good:)

 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:56 AM
222 .  wasn''t necessary but, thank you Dom.

 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:54 AM
223 .  im saying your free
But if you live under the 10 commandments, you are BREAKING them if you dont keep the Sabbath.

and if you live under by the Letter of the law and your not circumcised then you better get circumcised, and buddy better you than me.

Jesus Says im free....

If you love him you have commandments that you keep ,that are sown on your heart, that you keep out of Love
but its NOT the TEN commandments
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:52 AM
224 .  Dom, I said I was sorry, I thought we were
going to get some rest. Hope you and your family will. You were probaby answering a question and I didn''t get the first question? my fault, please forgive me.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:51 AM
225 .  No Sarah, I don''t have a problem, I explain what
I believe and you disagree, that''s not a problem for me but seems to be with you. Did you find the word church in any of the verses from 4-19 in Rev? I think not but, I''m the one who wants to brawl? Just because someone wants to believe they will be in the tribulation doesn''t make it true. Am I right? could be very wrong but, not stupid enough to preach to people if I can''t prove it. If that is brawling as you put it, then so be it. God tells me to defend the word, not to except every wind of doctrine. If that''s wrong, maybe you should be talking to God and not to me. I''m sure if I''m wrong, He will take care of the problem. There are about 4 people on this site, that believe they are prophets and we all have to bow to their belief even if they can''t prove it. I don''t have a problem at all Sarah, I pray well, I sleep well and God has used me many times, for HIS GLORY not to get somebody to believe my religious discerment. Sorry Sarah, I defend the gospel and yes myself, if that offends yo
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:48 AM
226 .  Ben please go read WHAT i SAiD again. please

 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:41 AM
227 .  please go read WHAT i SAiD again. please

 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:41 AM
228 .  please go read WHAT i SAD again.please

 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:40 AM
229 .  You just enjoy brawling BEN!
Well I have to say that I can see real scriptural exposition in both Kristins''and Observer''s posts BUT In yours Ben - just a blind spot about something you cling to maybe as... Charles said - your biased indoctrination from wherever.... It''s not a question if differing views in all honesty is it?
You really don''t speak sensibly ''from scripture'' yourself and then you slate those who do &you just yell insults and ask the same question over and over even though you have just received an answer. You''ve just done the same thing with me.
You sure have got a problem Ben !
 
Sarah   9/19/2008 7:39 AM
230 .  so the next time you meet a drunk
that just cant stop drinking, or a drug addict who cant stop using, or a smoker, or a womanizer instead of judging him..................
tell him G-d loves him anyway

His Grace is sufficient
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:38 AM
231 .  3 time Paul asked G-d and G-d did not
remove the sin from his heart....what did Jesus say...........


MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:32 AM
232 .  Dom, if I''m not circumcised, I''m lost and going
to hell? and if I don''t go to church on the Sabbath? Or did I miss read again, if so sorry. I follow 2 commandments, because I can''t find the word ten with commandments in the NT. I follow those that Jesus told the young lawyer about because they fulfill all the law. You know which ones I''m talking about Dom. and I believe you and I try our best, have a good rest. God Bless
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:31 AM
233 .  have you ever seen the saying on billboards
the Ten Commandments are not Multiple choice!
if you agree you better be keeping the Sabbath
and if you keep the letter of the law......you better be circumcised because at your age its gonna hurt.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:21 AM
234 .  cap at that time
you were and are correct, but you are not blind.......and he did come.....
he was all man..........but cap he was all G-d...........is your son not of you? are you not of he and he not of you.
Capp don''t turn your back on him

the Jehovah will witnesses put Israel in place of him!
Isa 53:10
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed,

stop here: when he has been our sin offering then we become his offspring= now continue the verse:
he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 7:15 AM
235 .  Dom
I gots to go ta bed.

see ya on the flipside.
 
cappy   9/19/2008 7:15 AM
236 .  Wrong Sarah, I just disagree and their point trumps
mined, I don''t think so. If people want to go that route, they should post like no name does and just say they are right and everyone else is wrong. Where was the answer about the church from 4-19 in Rev. its not there, lets at least be honest. If someone wants to place the word there because of their pastors teaching, be honest and say so. I''m a big boy, I can live with it. Just don''t attack me and make it sound like its my fault. Thank you for letting me express myself, bring on the attacks.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:14 AM
237 .  Dom
Paul preached against sexual sin. And said we are not under the law? if you''re not to follow the law, why cherrypick the ones you want to follow? Who gave him that authority?
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 7:11 AM
238 .  Dom, I thank you for being honest, I appricate
that. When people tell me they are so pure they don''t have sin fault''s I remind them of what Paul said Romans 8:14-25. Here was a man of God who said he lived by the law blameless yet he admit''s that he like you and I have problems. That to me makes you a better christian then the some of the self rightious who believe they can live by the law. I still want to talk to people on this site but, will not bow down because we don''t agree. Don''t attach me and my beliefs and I won''t attack theirs. I think you believe that don''t you Dom. How can we have coffee if we are always throwing it at each other. God Bless
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:10 AM
239 .  Curious BENFOX...?
What is your problem...?
I read all these posts just now and can see that both Kristin and Observer have outlined the issue very plainly.
Observer has clearly stated exactly several passages where scripture refers to the Church in Revelation after ch 4.
It seems lke you don''t actually read the answers to the things you have asked about .
Is it because you get a kick out of being confrontational ?
 
Sarah   9/19/2008 7:08 AM
240 .  Dom
dawgs like me ..........
and those that lie about it.

very true words. Most of these "official religious smart people" are a bunch of liers. But since they are free of the law, it doesn''t matter?!
 
cataindawg   9/19/2008 7:05 AM
241 .  Dom
i do all this preaching BUT you let me get out in the world and just let some girl walk by and see how Quick i loose my walk buddy.....im being honest

that is because you are human, Dom. And that is why repentance is an everyday, on going thing.

If we are free to do as we please, why the prohibitions at the Jerusalem council? If these are valid, then there are some things we should/should not do. Are there more? who says so?

Why not just try to obey G-D''s law the best we can, and repent when we screw up, learn from our mistakes and go on?
 
cataindawg   9/19/2008 7:02 AM
242 .  No Kristin, you have a religious idea and you don''t
like it when someone holds you and your pastors ideas to the fire, to hot in the kitchen, what can I say. You assume what the Bible says not what is in context. My attitude gets a little raw when I ask for answers that aren''t forth coming. It ends up like Dom who just changes the subject. I have no problem with disagreement, I do when a person is brainwashed into a idea they can''t explain unless they change what is said and who is being spoken to in scripture. Wow, that is wrong? No that is whining.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 7:00 AM
243 .  See there are 2 kinds of people in the church
dawgs like me ..........
and those that lie about it.
what i mean is if you dont admit you struggle with the flesh your lieing

His grace is sufficient
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:56 AM
244 .  Don''t respond observer, when you can''t answer a
simple request you revert to the same old I have attacked you but, when you, Dom or anyone else can''t answer a simple question you go on the attack. Why can''t you just say the church is not mentioned from chapter 4 to 19 ? Because you don''t want to be wrong and will dodge and spin to get out of the answer. Don''t want, don''t care if you respond or not.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 6:55 AM
245 .  Dom
30 "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

why is this different now?

why are these people held accountable and we are not?

Now it''s OK to worship a man, have images, break the sabbath, put a tree trunk on an obelisk on the roof of our building we named for a witch?!

I was not born last night.

Circe specialized in turning men into animals.

Yahshua means: Yah is salvation, not "I am yah''s salvation".

Talk to ya tomorrow, thank you for thinking of me.
 
cataindawg   9/19/2008 6:55 AM
246 .  now this from me
i do all this preaching BUT you let me get out in the world and just let some girl walk by and see how Quick i loose my walk buddy.....im being honest

but now read this

Gal 5:17-18
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Gal 5:17-18
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:52 AM
247 .  now the the preacher will preach
Gal 5:16
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulful the lust of the flesh.
KJV

BUT THERE ARE 2 MORE VERSES
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:47 AM
248 .  Dom
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
my refuge in time of distress,
to you the nations will come
from the ends of the earth and say,
"Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
worthless idols that did them no good.

20 Do men make their own gods?
Yes, but they are not gods!"

21 "Therefore I will teach them—
this time I will teach them
my power and might.
Then they will know
that my name is the LORD.
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 6:45 AM
249 .  Dom
Torah is instruction. It is "the way to walk". Why, when given detailed instructions on the way G-D expects me to live, would I think that now He "frees" me from walking the path of rightiousness? Because I''ll never be able to keep it all?

I promised many things to my wife when we got married. If I make an error, should we just get a divorce? Or do we do the best we can and move on?

I am not "saved" by works. I try to live my life by the instruction because I love G-D and are concerned with his word.
When I fail, I repent. I am saved by the grace of G-D alone. David said he had many sins and relied solely on the grace of G-D. There is much about this in the psalms.
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 6:42 AM
250 .  3 times Paul asked God
2 Cor 12:6-10
6For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

7And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

8For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

Now In Red Letter

9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ''s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:40 AM
251 .  this is only from my heart
Phil 3:6-10
6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:32 AM
252 .  Benfox look it up yourself
I said you would go round in circles at the outset and you are doing just that. I value my time and don''t intend to waste it in fruitless further exchanges . So don''t expect me another response from me- and if you now resort to insults .... I will merely pity you .
You should apologise to Kristin for your rudeness.
Everything necessary re the Rapture etc has been said .
You can either research it further or use it as your basis for prolonged useless arguing.
Right now you are doing the latter!
BAD CHOiCE!
 
Observer   9/19/2008 6:30 AM
253 .  now in Phil part 1
Phil 3:1-5
3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.

2Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews as touching the law, a Pharisee
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:29 AM
254 .  the law only speaks to those under the law
read carefully
Rom 3:19-22
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:25 AM
255 .  and Sorry i was reading and this is what i saw
Rom 10:5-8
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:23 AM
256 .  to Rebekah & Capp
Rom 10:1-4
10:1Brethren, my heart''s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God''s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
KJV
 
Dom   9/19/2008 6:21 AM
257 .  Unnecessary Attitude Ben
I am not offended by your disagreeing with me Ben.
But I do now dislike your current attitude and your adolescent remarks.
 
Kristin   9/19/2008 6:13 AM
258 .  sorry I get bent when you say False doc.
I cant type
 
Dom   9/19/2008 5:50 AM
259 .  Ben I get you say Flase doc
and that offends me and you have not even read what i am saying......im sorry though
 
Dom   9/19/2008 5:46 AM
260 .  Observer, please, name for verse in Rev. that mentions
the church, from chapter 4 to 19, shouldn''t be too hard, every believer on this site says they will be there. Just one verse shouldn''t be to hard, could it? Matt 24 I hear a lot of explain by Jesus about the Jews and His return, still don''t see the word chuch or that it is impled for the church. I don''t believe in replacement theology or do I believe I became anything more then a spiritual Jew when I excepted Christ 21 years ago. I also don''t teach the gospel of the kingdom but the gospel of salvation, the death, burial and resurrection of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Paul says there is no other gospel and if angel or anyone else preach other wise, they are to be accursed. The blood of Jesus Christ payed the price of my redemption, not my ability to become a law follower or keeping some of the law. Thanks people but, no thanks. I and my Jewish friends that go to various churches are saved by GRACE through faith, not by works so that we can boost.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 5:42 AM
261 .  Sorry Kristin I forgot to ask, where do you teach
Bible and what Bible school did you go too? Just wondering, you get very offended when someone disagrees with you. Dom, I understand, I''m not sure why you get bent, thought we were having a conversation. God Bless
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 5:32 AM
262 .  Vain repetition Ben
Ben I have already addressed the core issues which you are
re-questioning in a provocative rhetorical manner now .
Think it through for yourself or let it go.
Shalom & Blessings
 
Kristin   9/19/2008 4:54 AM
263 .  hmm
No one that waits for a man or puts their trust in mortals will be with moshiach. (micah 5, JPS Tanakh)

just saying...
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 4:49 AM
264 .  BENFOX.... END OF THE CIRCLES OK
SO WHO ELSE DOES THE DRAGON GO AFTER IF
''THOSE WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND HAVE THE TESTIMONYOF JESUS CHRIST''
ARE NOT THE CHURCH..?
IT''S NOT THE JEWS/ MESSIANICS SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED ''FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE SERPENT ''FOR 31/2 YEARS AND TAKEN BY GOD TO THE PLACE OF PROTECTION IN THE WILDERNESS..... READ REVELATION 12
AND-LIKE I SAID- IF YOU STUDY THE PROPHETIC ENDTIME SCRIPTURES OUTSIDE OF REVELATION YOU WILL KNOW WHY THOSE VERSES I DEPICTED REFER TO THE CHURCH .
 
OBSERVER   9/19/2008 4:43 AM
265 .  No Ben your not looking
your really missing it this time, you really need to go llok at it before you start all of name calling and insulting that follows everytime be fore you even have read it..... Just like the Trumps, you told me i was an Idiot, now i see you tell many people about that.
so dont start.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:38 AM
266 .  still preaching false doctrine as usual Dom, I don''t
believe you see anything except your misintrepretation of scripture. If your wrong God will deal with you, until then, I will just continue to laugh and know that what God said about sound doctrine is coming true before my eyes and thats not a compliment.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:38 AM
267 .  When is he going to return Kristin? He says
many times over to be prepared but, that is what keeps us on our toe''s. Right? lI wish you wouldn''t put words in my mouth. I do believe these are for all churches but, that still doesn''t put the church in Rev. When will you be at the Marriage supper of the Lamb and when will you stand at the Bema Seat of Christ? Will you meet Him in the ajir and turn around on white horses and return without ever seeing the House He build for you? Yes the Word of God is entire. Don''t get upset because I don''t want to be with you in the tribulation. If I''m right and your a believer which I would never question, then you will be with me at the supper. If your right then I too will be protected unless you believe I''m not saved because I disagree with your stand on the tribulation?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:35 AM
268 .  A friend read something from a Bible Institute
cant think of the name of it at the moment, and said in the 1920''s and Russia was a nobody then, that they would take out America Mys Babylon that was the prophecy from Jer and Rev
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:34 AM
269 .  Thanks Charles
i been studying this for years ....
this thing is coming to light right before my very eyes.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:29 AM
270 .  Should have know these 2 would agree on
Babylon, sorry guys as usual way off, One is the one world government and the other the religions of the world who believe in anything but salvation through the gospel, Haven''t you been following all these religious groups that come together but, make all religions equal. That is mystery babylon. I know you won''t ever agree, thats fine you can keep each other company in the tribulation.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:28 AM
271 .  All of Scripture is GOD''S'' WORD to ALL
Ben....The Bible is The Whole Word of God for ALL believers.
The 7 churches of Asia also represent all the aspects of christian attitude and conduct prevalent in The CHURCH throughout theAges . Jesus issues warnings and encouragements to persevere -as His return is imminent. Do you seriously think that God needs not address the Church on those issues after that period -
when he is clearly talking of His impending Return and requiring ALL believers to be ready for it...?
Do you think by the same premise that all the Epistles were only meant for the specific churches they were addressed to in those days and not for us?
 
Kristin   9/19/2008 4:28 AM
272 .  post 4:18 AM was from Dom (sorry)

 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:26 AM
273 .  Observer, where did you read CHURCH being
pursuded by the Dragon. I''ve looked for the word church all over the chapters from 4-19 can''t find it. I find both Jewish and Gentile believer who excepted Christ during that time, they are under the alter, remember?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:24 AM
274 .  Dom
It sure looks that way . America does seem to meet all of the given criteria for Babylon . And she will be utterly burned with fire , for in one hour is thy judgement come . Rev 18 :8 &10
 
Charles   9/19/2008 4:24 AM
275 .  observer
''''Who keep the commandments of GOD''''
Andhave theTestimonyof Jesus Christ''''
ie The CHURCH !

last time I checked, the church not only doesn''t keep the commandments, they talk about not having to.

right?
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 4:21 AM
276 .  Charles, get off my back about Baptist doctrine.
I know many people that aren''t and never have been Baptist that believe in pre tribulation rapture, including a messianic group in Israel, so let it go friend. I have preached the gospel in 34 different countries and not as a Baptist, so if you are offend by the Baptist, take it up with them, as for me I get my wisdom from scripture written by the Holy Spirit.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:21 AM
277 .  to Observer sorry from Dom
thats Israel there not the raptured Church
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:20 AM
278 .  thats Israel there not the raptured Church

 
Observer   9/19/2008 4:18 AM
279 .  I guess we can throw out 1thess 5:4 and the 3
verses before that. Eugene, hope you enjoy the tribulation while you let the Jews be decieved and then tell God at the wrath, you didn''t think it was necessary to preach the gospel. Would wish you luck, don''t believe in it or the separation of tribulation and wrath? God Bless
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:16 AM
280 .  thats even better
i mess up my fun any way it was supposed to be Silvio Butillshootyouloni.
cant even type a joke right........
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:16 AM
281 .  Reference to the Chruch after REV4 cont.
The Dragon goes after the rest of the offspring-
''Who keep the commandments of GOD''
Andhave theTestimonyof Jesus Christ''
ie The CHURCH !
 
Observer   9/19/2008 4:15 AM
282 .  dom
maybe not nuked, maybe something from the far ends of heaven?
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 4:14 AM
283 .  Charles, what can I say? 1Thess 4:16-17 says that Jesus His
self that He will return in the sky to to snatch up or be caught up, to meet Him in the air. Did he mean a plane or air ballon? Who are they, those that are alive. Now Rev 4:1, what happened, the heavens were opened and I heard what? a trumpet? and the church is never mentioned again until chapter 19, where do you think they were. Watching on the sideline or running from the anti-christ? The entire tribulation period is 7 years or the time of Jacobs trouble. You do understand that the cutting of of Messiah happened at 483 years when Israel was under judgement for 490 years, when they refused to return to Israel when they were let go from Babylon under the rule of the Persians and Meades? When the anti-christ is helping Jews build the temple, your going to sit on your hands right? Are you going to be decieved?
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 4:13 AM
284 .  Jim Borge
Google < Police State 2000 >
Part 1,2and 3 shows UN troops from other countries smashing in American citizens homes , setting up and firing M60 machine guns in urban neighborhoods speaking foreign languages with US soldiers giving instructions to PRISONERS ( Mom and Pop USA ) practicing the execution of Marshal Law . Also Google ( Bill Clinton is asked about concentration camps ) the cleaned up version .
This is a chilling portrait of our future.
 
Charles   9/19/2008 4:10 AM
285 .  yes i did
my interpatation is ,i dont want start a war on here but i believe America Mys Babylon) will be made desolate, Nuked> by the Russians and there allies
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:09 AM
286 .  Absolutely Charles!

 
Observer   9/19/2008 4:08 AM
287 .  to all Italians here
imanidiot ha!

I thought his name was :

Mymood I''m-in-a-jihad !
 
cappy   9/19/2008 4:04 AM
288 .  The CHURCH IS WELL PRESENT AFTER REV 4 !
Well said Kristin..
Ben I think you will go round in circles with this so I''ll make it brief and let you do what you want with it.
It''s well to remember that in Biblical studying scripture must be compared with scripture and in respect of The Revelation that means the prophetic scriptures and especially references to
The Day of the Lord in both OT and NT- it''s impossible initially to grasp the unfolding of the endtime events just from Revelation on its own.

Anyhow the Church IS clearly depicted after Revelation 4.....
viz:
The church is raptured in Revelation 6 v 12 ff

The Church is present in the Throne Room of God in Revelation7 v 9 ff

The Church is included in the overview of apocalyptic events in Revelation 12 v 17 where it is also clear that believers ARE present and persecuted DURING the TRIB...
viz:
the dragon is forced to abandon his pursuit of the Jews and so goes after
''the rest of the offspring who keep the commandments of God a
 
Observer   9/19/2008 4:04 AM
289 .  Im Italian so i can say this
i was just reading this story up top again

Silvio Butillshotyouloni called Pres Imanidiot on the phone.......LOL


Im bored
 
Dom   9/19/2008 4:00 AM
290 .  Kristin, I have to disagree, He was talking to (A) church
that exsisted in the day of John and a church age in the future probaby the missionary age about 1900. Jesus says he will protect that church because they were patience. It is hard to put the church where it is never mentioned for 15 chapters and yes I can read and see but, that doesn''t meant I have to agree with something taken out of context. The church is NEVER mentioned from chapters 4 to 19 and you can''t tell me to put it there when Jesus saw fit not to mention it (church) in any way. must have forgotten with all He had to do. Sorry Kristin, I don''t read into what isn''t there. God Bless
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 3:59 AM
291 .  Benfox
Where exactly does it say that there is a rapture in Rev 4 or 1stThess : 4 . The answer is it does not . Some want to read in that it does and the same bunch will avoid 2nd Thess chapter 2 , Rev 14 and Daniel 12 and Matt.24 . Your stating the Baptist doctrine completely whether you know it or not . No one wants to go through the tribulation. There are 42 months of Trib and then the wrath . We are not appointed to wrath as Rev 7 and 14 tells us . Jesus was not talking just to the Jews in Matt 24. He knew that the Gentiles would be reading His words too . The parable of the 10 Virgins deals with such a doctrine making it''s appearance . In such a case some might see the miracle worker that comes to Jerusalem as Jesus . God gives the Antichrist great powers to deceive ,after all they "know" that Jesus will not let them go through the Tribulation, so this must be Him coming to get them . And a Gog Magog type war will seal the deal with a lot of people . Remember a Strong Delusion .
 
Charles   9/19/2008 3:53 AM
292 .  oh yeah
did you read Joel? I love it. We named our baby Joel three weeks ago!

Did you like how Isa, Jer and Joel fit?
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 3:52 AM
293 .  Dom
In the Tanakh, I found my answers.
I found the way to walk, salvation, life and death, repentance etc.

I also found out that G-D was not a man and that anyone who put their trust in a man was cursed.

I don''t mean to be so self centered, but Carol DID ask.

G-D bless you buddy.
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 3:49 AM
294 .  hey Dom
I almost wrote a line to you this morning, but I was late.

I don''t think you''ll have to find me, unless you''re in heaven or hell. I believe I''ll be in Israel after resurrection, living under the government of Moshiach, living the Torah of G-D.

I don''t have personal reasons for loathing christianity. I started reading the bible to become a good christian. I had hit a low in my life and my wife wanted to start going to church. I decided to read up on church history and beliefs...

I basically came to the conclusion that G-D punished Israel in antiquity because they practiced something about like christianity.

The religion they were supposed to be practicing was layed out in Torah.
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 3:45 AM
295 .  Scripture interpets Scripture
The same reference in Revelation to...
''KEEP YOU from the Hour of Trial which will come upon THE WHOLE WORLD''
refers to the same Keeping Power associated with being defended from the Evil One while we are IN the World
Who else is the evil one here but the antichrist?
and this hour of trial is of course The Tribulation which surely WILL come upon the whole World .
I guess you will have to see it for yourself Ben - or not.
I can''t present it more plainly than that.
With reference to trusting the Lord according to His promised Keeping Power to sustain us ,
I have to say that I consider your accusation of that being ''pride'' as quite bizarre!
 
Kristin   9/19/2008 3:38 AM
296 .  well Ben Jim Capp Carol
I got the first page of this web blog i have been work.....the Stidy story was on the 70 weeks of Daniel....should not be to controversial. Check it out let me know what you think...

http://dominick41.wordpress.com/

i listed it with google but it takes a while
 
Dom   9/19/2008 3:36 AM
297 .  hey Cap I was there with ya
raised a Catholic......didnt come to know him till i was 29. Cap i pray for you everyday. dont get mad...if i ever said one little thing to remember, dont ever Judge G-d or Jesus or the holy Spirit by a man, you''ll be disappointed every time......Cap your my bud, if you pick the basement office, thats where me and you would have to part ways, buddy, DON''T make me come find ya...OK:)
I really hate some one did that to ya.
 
Dom   9/19/2008 3:24 AM
298 .  John 17 applies to the Whole Church
In John 17
Jesus is praying His high priestly prayer to The Father on behalf of the whole CHURCH of God''s redeemed - that''s you and me too....
'' Father the hour has come,
Glorify your Son that Your Son also may glorify YOU
As You have given Him authority over ALL FLESH
That He should give eternal life to AS MANY as YOU have given Him''.

The Lord then goes on to pray for ALL those to whom He would give eternal life and He includes the request that God will KEEP them from The EVIL ONE in the WORLD
 
Kristin   9/19/2008 3:19 AM
299 .  It is pride when you believe somehow God who
is speaking to believer who lose theirs live for Christ during the tribulation and the Jews who are converted. If your there, you know when the return of Christ to the earth will be and in that case, the Holy Spirit didn''t know what He was talking about. The church is mentioned 17 times before Rev. 4 and not again till chapter 19, you want to be there, have a good time. Your not going to tell people who the anti-christ is? What will you be doing, only the 144,000 are protected? What ever.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 2:49 AM
300 .  Sorry Kristin your verses don''t say anywhere or
imply the tribulation He is talking to apostles who 11 or the 12 died. Where does He imply the 7 year tribulation? Who is the tribulation for? Not believers as Rev 3 10 and many other scriptures prove, if your a believer you won''t be there, doesn''t mean God is going to lead you by the hand through the tribulation. The only ones I see are 144,000 Jews, are you one? It says virgin Jewish men. If you want to endure to the end have at it. How are you going to make it to the marriage supper on time and when do you get judged for the things you did after you were save. Don''t miss those two things please.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 2:45 AM
301 .  what up, Dom?

 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 2:10 AM
302 .  carol
Oh, and btw, I don''t "hate Jesus", and Jesus, was Jewish, not a christian.

And yes, there were christians back then.
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 2:09 AM
303 .  Carol
You''re not offensive at all, Carol.

Of course I took Jesus as a personal saviour!

I was raised in the "Jesus Movement" of the 1970''s. We were basically hippies that followed Jesus instead of the Grateful Dead! My dad was a bitter ex-catholic and my mom wasn''t raised in church.

If Jesus is who the christians claim him to be, I don''t know what would happen since I couldn''t believe the bible anymore.

I suppose some people here will happily picture me burning in hell forever!
 
captaindawg   9/19/2008 2:00 AM
304 .  Ben Divine protection during TRIB IS scriptural
Benfox:
Here are two of the Scriptures you claim do not exist.... and yes there are MORE !

John 17:15
I do not pray that YOU should take them out of the World
but that YOU should ''KEEP THEM'' from the Evil One .

cf: Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept My Command to persevere
I also will ''KEEP YOU'' from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole World
to test those who dwell on the Earth.

The Lord instructs us to be
OVERCOMERS , to persevere and to endure to the END ... of the Tribulation... which He has also promised to ''cut short'' for the sake of the Elect ...
HE knows how much we can bare and will not expect more than that of us...
His Word also indicates that in the midst of trial HE will always provide a way of escape so that we will be able to endure it.
We are given the promise of His Keeping Power to enable us to do so. There is no pride, as you imply, in standing on and obeying
The Word of God as instructed
 
Kristin   9/19/2008 1:46 AM
305 .  Carol if you want to believe in a post-tri rapture,
that is fine and I wish you and everyone with you the best of everything. I won''t be here but, I promise not to eat your meal, you will be along shortly. I guess you want to get to the supper of the Lamb during your time. That''s fine and I have no fear that I will see the anti-christ or the temple rebuilt. Can''t convince me I''ll be here but, my belief in pre tri has as much scriputral backing then does post tri, I guess we will have to agree to disagree, wish you well during that 7 year period of time, from what I read and teach, it''s not going to be a fun time for christians. No cash, No job, No food and trying to out run the neck squad who wants you to reject Christ and except the one who comes in his own name. Would wish you luch but, don''t believe in it either. Always nice kicking the idea of pre, mid and post around. Will all work out in the end. God Bless and I mean that.
 
BENFOX   9/19/2008 12:29 AM
306 .  captaindawg
I have a question, well, maybe a couple.....1st, did you ever come to know Jesus as your personal Savior when practicing Christianity? And the other is what denomination of Christianlty were you raised in? Well, maybe another one, & that would be, What if you are WRONG and Jesus is Actually who He claims to be? Not trying to be offensive in any way, and I hope you take no offense. God bless
 
Carol   9/19/2008 12:22 AM
307 .  Come on friends, you really don''t believe this
peace loving friend of Israel reall want''s to destroy them? If you don''t you can get your head out of that dark place you have been hiding it in and wake up to the fact, that this person is a friend and allie of satan, who is allah and they want Gods people all over the world to be dead. Can''t reason with the devil or his demon clan. Pray that many might yet get saved, time is running out and I don''t think anyone can blame God, if he starts bringing His plans about.
 
BENFOX   9/18/2008 10:00 PM
308 .  What I believe is the Iluminati hand signal
is the index and pinkie fingers raised with remaining fingers closed down. It is a sign that many rock-n-rollers uses as well, and when I was a kid it meant "got to hell". I have seen Bush give this sign as well as others.(and this from a supposedly Christian!)

Ben, were you sincere in your remark to Charles about fleaing to the wilderness? There are some things that Israel will have to do to survive, and this event is one of them. We in other parts of the world will have to flea as well, but that particular event described in Matthew is for the Jews in Jerusalem. They will flea when the antichrist puts the statue on the Temple Mount. Catholics will probably welcome the statue, it''s nothing new to them for statues or for them to talk etc.
Ben, WHAT IF you see the alter shut down, the AC declaire himself to be God, and the statue go up on the Mount? What will you do then? I think this is a question all pretribbers should ask themselves. Never hurts to ask yourself a question, does it? God b
 
Carol   9/18/2008 7:41 PM
309 .  from what i read
American officials are not showing a lot of interest. what it explained was it would not benefit the US much same with Canada. Mexico would benefit the most, but it would slow travel to Mexico. Because the cost would be then expensive to travel and stay in Mexico.
 
Dom   9/18/2008 7:08 PM
310 .  thanks Jim
I will
 
Dom   9/18/2008 6:57 PM
311 .  Dom
Google TEN REGIONS OF THE WORLD. There are about 3 items you might find interesting.
 
Jim Borge   9/18/2008 6:08 PM
312 .  I heard of the Plan, Jim Edward & Ben
are they serious and is it a near future reality, the Mexico, Canadian, Us currency.
i have not heard anything on it in a while.
 
Dom   9/18/2008 5:17 PM
313 .  Amen Jim
Let''s hit the road.
 
C Gill   9/18/2008 4:57 PM
314 .  Edward and BENFOX
I am aware also of this North American (U.S., Canada, Mexico) plans. The common currency is to be called the AMERO patterned after the EURO. Yes, Ben, the globalists and that satanic UN bunch are going to divide this fallen world into 10 REGIONS. There is some good news, however. The Apostle Peter wrote that we who belong to JESUS are "Strangers and aliens" in this corrupt world system. We are "Just passing through". Our citizenship is in HEAVEN!
 
Jim Borge   9/18/2008 4:21 PM
315 .  Dom
I apologize as well.
 
Jim Borge   9/18/2008 4:12 PM
316 .  On Russia Today News
The Us told Russia that they were going to use the Georgian Air strip to take the Iran missile sites...........that will go over well
 
Dom   9/18/2008 1:38 PM
317 .  to Jim B
i apologize for yesterday.
 
Dom   9/18/2008 12:57 PM
318 .  Good Morning
Hope everybody is not as cranky as yesterday
 
Dom   9/18/2008 12:54 PM
319 .  Edward, I saw a map of the world and the ten
kingdoms of the one world government, it was put out by the UN and it shows just what you were talking about and it will happen.
 
BENFOX   9/18/2008 5:07 AM
320 .  Charles, do you live in Israel? I was wondering as
a believer that doesn''t live in Israel how you will flee to the mountains of Judea. In 1 Thess the Lord Himself comes for His own that are in Christ Jesus in Mark 13:27 He sends His angels for his elect. I would say these are two different events, wouldn''t you. The flood was a punishment or the wrath of God but, God sealed Noah and his family in the ark before the rains came, that does not mean He will do the same during the tribulation. I also believe Enoch and Eligah will be the two witnesses during the tribulation. I guess I misread but, didn''t Lots daughters father children by him? When I read Matt 24, I see Jesus talking to the apostles about His return and what they should be looking for. I don''t believe the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel that pertains to salvation of the believers are one in the same. Almost everything in Matt. questions are answered in a Jewish context and Jesus was tell Jewish followers what to look for at His return, to rule. Not coming for His church.
 
BENFOX   9/18/2008 5:03 AM
321 .  I don''t
know what "sign" it is though
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 4:57 AM
322 .  we all
remember bush 1''s comment about NWO in ''90 or so right? right after the soviets when down?
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 4:55 AM
323 .  Check out Iluminati Hand signals
You will see the extent of the NWO , Illuminati , Luciferians and world of Satan when you see all of our leaders all over the world using this sign . It''s a Satanic sign and Bush also a Skull and Bones-man uses it with a smile . I am beginning to see that its a world wide organisation to unite the world under one government as Stated for real a NWO . Scary!
 
Charles   9/18/2008 4:51 AM
324 .  Edward
interesting
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 4:50 AM
325 .  The "Worlds Financial Capital" has been transferred.
The Bush Administration have been working behind the scenes for 8 years, inside the White House developing the new phase for America for the Rockefeller "Dream-Team". It includes making America part of a confederacy with Mexico and Canada (poverty loves company). This was David Rockefeller''s dream. One might ask: "What does the U.S. Constitution say about this"?

America is "going out of business" as a sovereign nation, (literally) the greatest nation on earth, at one time (before the Federal Reserve Bank in 1913).

The Bush Team (Rockefeller controlled from Daddy''s Administration), staged the war in Iraq from the beginning. The war will probably never see victory, but the Bush''s keep trying to sell the thought, anyway. One "shinning accomplishment" will come forth, though. The City of Babylon will be rebuilt to rise up to become the "World''s Financial Center", and America sacrificed (her existence) to bring this to pass! Babylon will have a short period of time, though (read Revelation 17: 1
 
Edward   9/18/2008 4:43 AM
326 .  I don''t see any disagreement. I do see a little pride
on some christians part when they say they will go through the tribulation and be protected by God. I can''t find that verse anywhere. Its sort of like the verse that says Judge not least you be judged. I have believers tell me all the time that we are not to judge because of that verse. If that were true, then we would have a problem because God tells us some day we will judge angels, so why not the smallest things on earth. I do believe in context and sound doctrine and interpretation. I''m sure you do also.
 
BENFOX   9/18/2008 4:40 AM
327 .  Ben
Did you read John 15 ? Also Matt. 24 verse 29 is the direct words of our Lord .
Noah went through the Flood . Enoch and Elijah were taken to come back to Israel and will die there . Lot was removed from Sodom but his seed exist no more on earth .
The verse I quoted proved that you can Fall away . Sin does not send you to HELL . John 15 , NOT abiding with Jesus will cause Him to say I never knew you . Also 2nd Thess Chapter 2 you will see the Antichrist . I''m going to be a wise virgin and equip myself to endure as Jesus said in Matt 25 .
Good night brother Benfox
 
Charles   9/18/2008 4:35 AM
328 .  Preachers 2
It is up to you to read your Bible and see what God says . Preachers that preach you will suffer through Tribulation but not the wrath of God and turn not away from the Faith and take the Mark of the Beast or you will go to hell will not have a large congregation if at all . You are responsible for your salvation , make sure that you get it right the first time . God gave us a manual for salvation , we shouldn''t cherry pick it for our own customised , negotiated set of conditions by which we agree to proceed with the procurement of our salvation if the terms are met . It''s the Lords way or the highway to hell .
 
Charles   9/18/2008 4:17 AM
329 .  Charles, I don''t take my doctrine from the Baptist
faith. I am a Born Again Christian who gets my doctrine from the Word of God through the power of the Holy Spirit that lives within me. I know there are good christians that believe they can loss their salvation, thats fine, they have to live by it. I don''t believe I get a free pass to sin after I am saved and I believe God dishes out punishment to those he wants to correct and yes I can sin and be forgiven. 1 John 1:9, that verse is for believers. The verse you quoted was good but the interpretation tells me that Jesus died once and will not do it again and need not do so because of sin. I also believe in the pretri rapture from everything I read in the Bible. Those who want to stay behind are welcome to do so. As for me the Bible is clear that those who believe will not see the wrath of God. If we do then, how do we comfort one another? God removed Noah before the flood, removed Lot before the destruction. Removed Enoch and Eligiah. Doesn''t say he will protect the believers from the anti-chris
 
BENFOX   9/18/2008 4:12 AM
330 .  Charles
I agree with both of your posts below. The one to Ben and the one to me. The one thing that you didn''t mention is that the remnant that is brought through is those that have put their faith in Jesus as ther Messiah. From other things that you have written I think that you believe this also. Jesus came for the Jew first and then the gentile. We are the wild olive branchs that have been grafted in. The cultivated olive branches that were pruned off are the Jews that did not and will not accept their Messiah. Thanks Charles.
 
Eugene   9/18/2008 4:06 AM
331 .  Words not of Preachers but Jesus
Benfox you may want to read John 15 carefully . Then list those places where it is literally quoted "once saved always saved ". Also the Great falling away . Yes "who can pluck you out of the hand of God "? Can you just turn away ? Yes . Hebrews 6 verse 4 thru 6 " For it is impossible those that were once enlightened , and have tasted of the Heavenly gift , and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost , and have tasted the good Word of God , and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put them to an open shame ". Many people have a heart felt confession of Jesus at the altar , get dunked and head back to their former life thinking that they have done Jesus a favor and nothing can take away their fire insurance never to be seen in church or talk about Jesus again . The Pretrib Rapture , once saved doctrine are very popular doctrines with the Baptist .
 
Charles   9/18/2008 3:51 AM
332 .  benfox
I''m not even a christian and I can find:

rev 2

3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name''s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

looks to me like your candlestick can be removed
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 3:34 AM
333 .  moshe
It was probably forged by the Mossad

yeah,right
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 3:24 AM
334 .  Eugene
The seed of Isaac was the other party of the Covenant . Yes the Lord will let Israel get taken over and 2/3 rds of Israel will die but He will bring His remnant through . God will see Israel through with it''s mission to fulfil prophecy . Still Israel has to be there when Christ returns . I guess that the fact that the physical temple must be built and the Daily Sacrifice must start insures the integrity of Israel and is the unwaivering will of God .
 
Charles   9/18/2008 3:23 AM
335 .  Eugene, you can comment a 100 times and
you will still be wrong. Once saved, always saved is in the Bible in many places, you want to live by certain rules and believe that makes you a better christian? Go for it but, your teaching is just wrong.
 
BENFOX   9/18/2008 3:14 AM
336 .  dom
Joel 2

11 The LORD thunders
at the head of his army
his forces are beyond number,
and mighty are those who obey his command.
The day of the LORD is great
it is dreadful.
Who can endure it?

isa 13

5 They come from faraway lands,
from the ends of the heavens—
the LORD and the weapons of his wrath—
to destroy the whole country.

6 Wail, for the day of the LORD is near
it will come like destruction from the Almighty. [a]


from the ends of the heavens—
like, celestial orgin
 
cappy   9/18/2008 3:12 AM
337 .  let me get some coffee and ill look at it
Ill be back in 15 or twenty
 
Dom   9/18/2008 2:56 AM
338 .  dom
do you see that in Isaiah 13? read Joel real quick and wonder about the destruction. is it from the heavens as Isaiah said?
 
cappy   9/18/2008 2:43 AM
339 .  dom
ah, don''t let the fishies get ya down. the truth is, most people on this site do study a lot, and we all have different opinions. I think we should just consider what each other says without getting pissed. that isn''t to say we should just agree with whatever, but it''s kind of a beit midrash, yaknow?

Oh, excluding human debris like P.H.
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 2:41 AM
340 .  take a breath, hippie

 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 2:36 AM
341 .  thats Funny Cap
the first time ive laughed in hours, sorry i have been looking for the seat of my Pants, i had a few piranha fish biting at my tail today.
 
Dom   9/18/2008 2:34 AM
342 .  dom
I really appreciate the way we can converse without screaming at each other. It''s very refreshing. My friend said she''d been told she was going to burn in hell so many times, if it exsisted, she''d have a corner office and a reserved parking spot!
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 2:00 AM
343 .  Dom
look at jer 50 and then at isa 13 "from the ends of heaven, the LORD and the weapons of his wrath"

then maybe look at rev at the type of destruction.

then go read I. velikovsky''s Worlds in Collision.

then you will know better what''s going to happen.

Next subject.
Earn your way to heaven?
The scripture says ALL sin
all salvation is by grace
read psalms again
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 1:46 AM
344 .  No Cap
convert all you want:) i was thinking about taking up the Law, lets throw Jesus out and see if we can earn our way to heaven.:)
 
Dom   9/18/2008 1:36 AM
345 .  WOOPS!
"It sounds a lot like america" was my comment, not soozies.

it was supposed to be TO soozie.

long day at work
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 1:26 AM
346 .  it sounds
a lot like america.
 
soozie   9/18/2008 1:21 AM
347 .  The fourth and final (YES) kingdom
The Bible tells us that this fourth and final kingdom of this world is like no other before it and that is because it doesn''t contain itself to one nation like the others. It uses three. One being the military mite, one the financier and one the false religion.

The Catholic Church is most likely the whore, the one who started the false religion with this pope likely being the false prophet. He has stated that there is another messiah coming for the Jewish people. Jesus came and died for all and anyone who says otherwise is of the wrong spirit. There are only two sides in this battle.
 
Soozie   9/18/2008 1:17 AM
348 .  Babylon and Mystery Babylon
Babylong and Mystery Babylon are mentioned separately for a reason. Babylon is the spirit that is in the world and it is pravalent throughout the whole world. Mystery Babylon is the great city that falls when sudden destruction comes upon her and the whole world moans because it can no longer trade and drink the wine of the whore. Rev. 18

We are in the belly of the Beast but His faithful are spared which is why He tells us not to fear.

Pray about everything especially to have your eyes opened and that He give you ears to hear.
 
Soozie   9/18/2008 1:12 AM
349 .  oh, hey
did you say something last night scary about leaving christianity for judaism?
 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 12:48 AM
350 .  No (laughing)

 
Dom   9/18/2008 12:42 AM
351 .  are you out there Dom?

 
captaindawg   9/18/2008 12:38 AM
352 .  Cont.11
how is it that we feel that we are exempt from the laws and the precepts of that Kingdom?
Someone said on one of the articles recently that you must confess your sins. Jesus stated it much stronger. He said you must repent of your sins. This means to be extremely remorseful, regretful of your sins, and that you want your life to change so you won’t do it again.
 
Eugene   9/18/2008 12:11 AM
353 .  Cont.10
The covenant that we have today, the covenant that God made with us through Jesus, is also a two sided covenant. God’s free gift, His grace to us is Jesus. As I have said earlier this gift is only ours if we accept it. Accepting it is more than accepting that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. It is also making Him Lord of our lives. It is also following Him. It is also doing as He did. In other words it is believing in Him with your heart. If we believe in Him with all our heart, then He will indwell us with His Holy Spirit to help us accomplish following Him. If we aren’t following Him in living we have not received the Holy Spirit and if we have not received the Holy Spirit we have no part in Him. Paul said, you were bought at a price therefore you are not your own. You are owned by the One who bought you, if you truly love Jesus. We as believers in Jesus are supposed to be living in His Kingdom now, not only after we die. If we are to live in His Kingdom, how is it that we feel that we are exempt from
 
Eugene   9/18/2008 12:10 AM
354 .  Cont.9
The only reason there is an Israel today is to fulfill prophesy through the Jews who have accepted and will accept their Messiah. Yes, the 144,000 are all Jews who have not soiled their clothing and follow their Messiah. They will bring the remnant of the Jewish people to Messiah after the tribulation. They receive the mark of God so that the wrath of God will not affect them
 
Eugene   9/18/2008 12:06 AM
355 .  Cont.8
The same God told the same thing to the Jews and the gentiles.
Another question, Is Zechariah part of your Bible? There are some on here who say that God does not break covenant. That He is always faithful to His covenants. Yet if you look at Zachariah 11: 9-11, you will find that God annulled his covenant with His people. Which is confirmed in Hebrews 8. Every covenant requires two to make it operable. Most on this site say that Gods first covenant with Abraham was only a promise from God to Abraham. If you will notice in Genesis 17: 1, God told Abraham I am the Almighty God walk and live habitually before me and be perfect. Verse 2, and I will make My covenant between you and Me. Then in verse 10 God gives the requirement of circumcision for Abraham and his descendants as a sign that they will follow the covenant made with Abraham. Many times God destroyed His people but He always kept a remnant who had not bowed their knee to idols. The same holds true today. The only reason there is an Israel today i
 
Eugene   9/18/2008 12:03 AM
356 .  Cont.7
I don’t have to follow Him too. Does this really make sense to anyone, that you can believe in someone and yet not feel that you need to do as or follow in the footsteps of the one you believe in. We have examples today of followers of rock stars. They try to imitate and do the bidding of these stars. The same happens with sports stars. Paul said there is no difference between Jew and gentile. He also said some say they are of Peter, some say that they are of Apollos, some say that they are of Jesus, some say that they are of Paul, what, did Paul die for you. He also said I preach only Jesus and Him crucified. Acts 9:15 tells of how God was sending Paul to the gentiles and the Jews. Also if you will read Acts you will find that Paul went to the synagogues to teach wherever he went. Was he going to find Gentiles in those synagogues? No! Paul taught Jesus and Jesus only, just as Peter did, just as James did, just as John did, and just as the writers of Hebrews did. The same God told the same thing to the Jews
 
Eugene   9/18/2008 12:01 AM
357 .  Cont.6
Paul says the same thing, and Peter confirms what Jesus and Paul said. So these people must feel they are exempt from these parts of God’s word. These same people also feel that everything is a conspiracy. Look at Isaiah 8:12-13, it speaks of conspiracies and our fears and dreads that come from them.
Others on here seem to feel that there are two forms of salvation. One for the Jew and one for the gentile. Where does anyone get that from? Jesus said that anyone who does not believe on me is condemned already. This would mean Jew or gentile. I believe that would cover what is meant by “anyone”! He also said that I am the way the truth and the light, that no one comes to the Father but by Him. That “no one” is pretty much all inclusive. Was what He said and did only the truth for the Jew? No it was for the gentile also. Some say that the Bible is the inspired word of God and in the next breath say I don’t have to do what Jesus said because He died for me, and that is what saves me. I don’t have to follow H
 
Eugene   9/17/2008 11:59 PM
358 .  Cont.5
We seem to have a very warped idea of what Jesus told us to do. Some on here will tell you that they don’t roll over for any man, yet what was Jesus’ example? He allowed the Pharisees and the Romans to not only flog Him, make fun of Him, ridicule Him, but also to hang Him on a tree, which is considered to be a curse. What else did He do? He asked the Father to forgive them. We have some on here who seem to hate anything or anyone they consider to be evil. Yet Jesus said to bless those who curse you, do good to those who spitefully use you, love your enemy, pray for them. Love the person but hate the evil that they do. Paul said, who am I to judge those outside the body of Christ. Yet a couple of people on here seem to think that everyone here is going to hell and they still pass judgment on these whom they feel don’t know the truth. Some on here feel that they don’t owe any loyalty to the government that they are under, even though Jesus said that the government has the authority given to it by God. Paul say
 
Eugene, the person who doesn''t work but eats   9/17/2008 11:57 PM
359 .  Cont.4
Also in Revelation Jesus said, because you are neither hot or cold, I will spew you out of My mouth.
I also see so many on here who say that there is no requirement for salvation because it is the free gift of God. Jesus is the free gift that God gave to us, you and me. But that gift has to be accepted for it to be of any value to us. We must believe that Jesus is not only our savior but also our Lord. If we say that Jesus is our Lord but don’t do what He tells us, how do we justify calling Him Lord? Jesus said believe in Me and you will have eternal life. How can we say that we believe in Him and in the next breath say we don’t believe what He says, by saying that He was just talking to the Jews at that time, or He didn’t know what our society was going to be like, or I have my family to think about, or Paul said something different, or excuse after excuse. Did He not know that He was going to be our Lord also, and He said follow Me in living and if need be in dying also.
 
Eugene   9/17/2008 11:54 PM
360 .  Cont.3
There are so many things in God’s Word that we take out of context or just ignore. One for instance is once saved always saved. Nowhere in the Bible do you find this, even as a principle. On the contrary, Jesus says four different times, if you endure to the end you will be saved. Paul says, if you endure to the end you will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Hebrews says, Once you have tasted the Heavenly gift and then turn away, there is no sacrifice left for you. Peter says the same thing that is found in Hebrews. Peter also says, be on your guard, lest you be carried away by the error of the lawless and wicked and fall from your own firm condition. John says, Keep in your hearts what you have heard from the beginning. If what you have heard from the first dwells and remains in you, then you will dwell in the Son and in the Father. Revelation says He will remove your lamp stand, if you don’t repent. Revelation also says, Be loyal and faithful unto death and I will give you the crown of life. Also in Revelation
 
Eugene, or the Jew Baptist as Ben would say   9/17/2008 11:52 PM
361 .  Cont.2
This is by no means what I am saying. I still sin on a daily, if not hourly basis. But with the help of the Holy Spirit, and through Him only, my life continually gets better. I find myself no longer desiring to do the things I once did. Before I made Jesus Lord of my life, I loved to fight. I lived to fight, it invigorated me, made me feel young. Now I would rather turn the other cheek. This doesn’t mean that I will step back and let someone harm my wife, a friend, my country, or anyone else that is in danger, but as far as abusing or hurting me, it is not for me to fear man or retaliate to save myself from discomfort. It is for me to follow Christ, not only His example, but His words also. This is just one of many examples of how the Holy Spirit has changed me.
 
Eugene, or the kook as Ben would say   9/17/2008 11:51 PM
362 .  Cont.
there is nothing the person who told us about Him can do to cause you to believe it. The Holy Spirit is the only One Who will cause you to desire to know more.
The Holy Spirit is our teacher, our comforter, our guide, our healer. Through the Holy Spirit we are not only guided into all truths, but He is also our guide into being perfect which God and Jesus expect from us. You’ll ask, how can this be, we are in this human body and are going to sin. This is an excuse we use not to do as Jesus did. Jesus came to earth as a man. He left His deity in heaven. He was guided in His life here on earth by the Holy Spirit. He led a perfect life. If He had any advantage over us in being able to resist temptation He could not now be our advocate before God, as stated in the 2nd chapter of Hebrews. He left that same Holy Spirit with us that we might be able to follow in His footsteps. I know that there are at least two people on this site who will say, see I told you that Eugene thinks he is sinless. This is by no means
 
Eugene, or the person that is under no authority   9/17/2008 11:48 PM
363 .  False teaching
Just something I would like to ask on this site. Why is it that Jesus said you must come as children? Why did He say that unless you come as a child you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven? I would really appreciate an answer. There are numerous people on this site who must think that Jesus couldn’t have known what He was talking about, or that of course we must come as a child but we have to check the facts out first with scholars or theologians or my church or the internet. The Bible (The word of God) is not written to confuse and mislead. It is written so that anyone can understand it. I don’t see anywhere in His Word that tells us to check out what He says and see if the scholars, intellectuals, and wise men agree with what He says. I do see just the opposite. God says His word is for the humble, the lowly, the babes, the uneducated. And that it is hidden from the wise and intelligent. Our only learning should be from the Holy Spirit. Once we have been told about Jesus, there is nothing the perso
 
Eugene, or the hippie as Frank would say   9/17/2008 11:43 PM
364 .  Andre...I agree partially, but I think it is even bigger .
All the people who are "related" but outward piety without inward..LIFE...who have "chosen" Jesus Christ to...follow, and imitate (as IF they could)..which brings it to a very, very large number in the false Church.
And they are interwoven...everywhere.
Much as tares among the wheat.
 
BKN   9/17/2008 11:01 PM
365 .  i know i make some you Guys mad,
at least i show you where i get it.
its not just wild hair opinion.
maybe we should just throw our bibles out and follow Soozie...LOL
 
Dom   9/17/2008 10:58 PM
366 .  Andre...I agree partially, but I think it is even bigger .
All the people who are "related" but outward piety without inward..LIFE...who have "chosen" Jesus Christ to...follow, and imitate (as IF they could)..which brings it to a very, very large number in the false Church.
And they are interwoven...everywhere.
Much as tares among the wheat.
 
BKN   9/17/2008 10:54 PM
367 .  Mystery Babylon
Soozie
Spot on, keep speaking it like it is.
 
Glen   9/17/2008 10:53 PM
368 .  Unfortunately not by you Soozie

 
C Gill   9/17/2008 10:14 PM
369 .  Thank you Edward
I too agree with you.
 
C Gill   9/17/2008 10:12 PM
370 .  Wonderful to see the Truth being spoken
Soozie,
Mystery Babylon is not the US but the Catholic Church. How do explain the Seven Hills, Drunk with the blood of the saints in her cup? Read a book by Dave Hunt Titled "The Women who rides the beast" and i think your opinion will change.
 
Andre   9/17/2008 10:06 PM
371 .  Wonderful to see some truth being spoken
America is Mystery Babylon. When it refers to the blood of the saints, it is referring to the evil spirits that have been around since the beginning of time.

Most of the New Testament has to be read in the context that it was given - in the Spirit.

Blessings, and onward Christian soldiers for all glory and praise to Jesus.
 
Soozie   9/17/2008 9:35 PM
372 .  Jim a mistake on my part
Where I said Although I personally believe that, I left out, the US is Mystery Babylon because of the discription in Revelation.
 
Eugene   9/17/2008 8:58 PM
373 .  Jim Borge
I didn''t say that it singles out the US. Dik-Holland made a sttement that he didn''t see the blood of the saints on the US''s hands. Although I personally believe that Mystery Babylon because of the discription in Revelation, I can not say it for a fact. But if we are as close to the end times as everyone seems to think, then I see no one else in the world that matches the discription. If we are wrong and the end times are in the future some other nation may rise up that matches the discription, even the old Babylon itself.
 
Eugene   9/17/2008 8:54 PM
374 .  For you rapture people
First of all- the whole concept of the rapture comes from one scripture in Thessalonians, that developed into the doctrine it is now, in the early 20th century. This is escapism mentality, and the deception of the enemy. Is God not able to keep His people during the tribulation period. What about the Jewish children in Egypt - particularly during the 9 plagues. They were completed protected in the midst of the plagues. God did not remove them from the land- He kept them in it. Did He not feed them with Manna from Heaven and water from a rock? Did he not keep their shoes and clothes from wearing out? He will keep us in the Tribulation the same way. In this He receives the glory and souls will be saved. The Bible says, "no one comes to the Father, except the Spirit draw him." How would the "Spirit draw him" if the Spirit was removed as some say? The Bible clearly says that their will be "Tribulation saints". There will be those who lose their lives -martyed for their beliefs. If there were a pre-trib, or mid-tr
 
ChristianSupporter   9/17/2008 8:49 PM
375 .  Diplomacy is Working?
Hello! What indications, of any imagination, would lead anyone to believe "diplomacy" is working? Only Condi Rice.
 
ChristianSupporter   9/17/2008 8:33 PM
376 .  The U.S. has aborted millions of babies...
And this is an abomination. However babies are aborted in just about every nation on earth! How would this single out the U.S. as the "Babylon" of Revelation?
 
Jim Borge   9/17/2008 8:04 PM
377 .  Sorry, I was commenting to Edward, and Jim Borge
This is the truth, spoken here.

I also thank you, Edward.
 
BKN   9/17/2008 8:01 PM
378 .  As Noah and his family, and Lot with his.

 
BKN   9/17/2008 7:58 PM
379 .  Thank you, Edward...
And I agree with you completely!
 
Jim Borge   9/17/2008 7:57 PM
380 .  I did not say the Holy Spirit would leave the earth!
The Holy Spirit hovers over the earth as He did in Genesis 1. But His office as "restrainer of evil and corruption on the earth" will be removed. He occupies the hearts and lives of those who make up the church, and at the rapture, that "hindrance" will be removed on earth.
 
Edward   9/17/2008 7:51 PM
381 .  Dik-Holland
What you mentioned about the blood of the saints and the prophets. Have you ever thought about how many unborn babies the US has killed. How many do you think were saints in God''s eyes? How many of them were written in the book of life from the beginning of time?
 
Eugene   9/17/2008 7:51 PM
382 .  "Christians" had better plan to see the "Upper-Taker"!
The evil allies under the power and influence of Russia will probably strike Israel (Ezekiel 38, 39) during the first-half of the tribulation, after the "Heavenly-Restrainer", the Holy Spirit has been raptured. II Thessalonians 2: 7 says "He (God, the Holy Spirit) will hinder, until He be taken out of the way". Then, Antichrist will come on the scene after the church "meets the Lord in the air" (I Thessalonians 4: 13 - 18).

Iran is getting positioned and Ahmedinejad is breathing out "toxic" threats against Israel. GOD will meet this great army of thousands, and 5 out of 6 soldiers will fall on the mountains of Israel. GOD will fight against this army as He did in days of old.

Jesus is coming for "believers", soon!! NO-PROPHECY remains to be fulfilled before the rapture! I Thessalonians 4: 13 - 18 is "imminent"! Paul the Apostle believed, and taught that Truth to early believers.
 
Edward   9/17/2008 7:43 PM
383 .  Too right Dik- Holland
Babylon was where God called Abram to come out from... and since then every ''righteous'' person is called by God to do the same .
In scripture Babylon represents the domain of Satan whereas Jerusalem represents the domain of GOD.
 
Sarah   9/17/2008 6:56 PM
384 .  Yes, Dom...
I have suffered through much of your "teaching" on Jer. 50&51! Read the Prophet again, only this time do not attempt to use your imagination and "read" anything into the text! Jeremiah not only gives a NAME, but he gives a PLACE, a geographical LOCATION. Notice how many times the Prophet mentions Babylon along with "The land of the CHALDEANS". Look on any Bible map. The "Land of the Chaldeans" is EXACTLY where IRAQ is today! The U.S. is not even in the VICINITY. And please do not "Spiritualize" it! REMEMBER, if you torture the text long enough, it will CONFESS to anything!
 
Jim Borge   9/17/2008 6:55 PM
385 .  Dom and Rev.
vs. 24 ...And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth... I really don''t think this has happened in USA so Babylon must be another nation/system.
 
Dik - Holland   9/17/2008 6:47 PM
386 .  Bibi Netanyahu would do it!
Yes Alpha... Israel would not have allowed the mad man of Iran to go on rambling his evil threats for so long in times past!
Netanyahu would have taken a strong verbal stand over it and would quite possibly have taken miitary action by now.
I have to wonder if Bush /Rice &co are in collusion with Olmert et al to keep Netanyahu out of power for as long as possible so that Bush can have his paltry legacy of establishing a Palestinian State during his term....?!
 
Observer   9/17/2008 6:40 PM
387 .  Iran will not wipe out Israel
Whatever Iran achieves or America fails to do in order to stop Ahmadinejad, Iran will NOT wipe out Israel.
So - it could well be that Israel launches a defensive assault on Iran''s nuclear capability which would inevitably lead to a significant response.
Maybe even the Russian /Arab Alliance invasion of Israel as depicted in Ezekiel''s endtime prophecy - and we know who wins that!
Now that would shift up the gear in the onset of the endtime scenario!