just as God intended. He did not intend for us to have to second guess or to read between the lines. I don''t want to argue with anyone. I am weary of this topic for the time being. We will just have to agree to disagree, and whatever happens, happens.Jesus said ''in this life, you will have tribulation.'' Try telling the Chinese or Ethopians they will not face tribulation. They die daily for our Lord. Be that as it may, it will all "pan out" in the end. My only objective was that people would be prepared, should judgement come in our life time. It was never to cause strife or disention. One other piont I would like to make is this: the pretrib theory, at least to me, seems a tad bit "replacement theology" in nature, like the ''church'' is better that God''s chosen people the Jews. We are not better, but equal in God''s eyes. God bless

He will fulfill Rosh HaShannah when He comes for those who have died in Him, and also those that remain alive. This is the 2nd coming. There is no point in resurrecting the dead in Him before the Trib. they cannot be harmed by the judgements. Millions will come to faith in Him during the tribulation. If there are no believers present, no holy spirit, there would not be millions coming to the Lord. If He comes for His before the trib, all those who suffer for Him, or even are beheaded for Him, have died & suffered in vain because He has already been here for the saved, both dead & alive. There are 2 resurrections only. One to life at the end of the Trib, and the other to death, at the end of the 1000 year reign. I would love a pre trib rapture, but there is not one scripture in the whole Bible that clearly supports such a belief. There are, however, hundreds that speak of the post trib rapture. I believe the Bible was written just as God wanted it to be clear, concise, straight, direct and to the point,

I think i understand your view point, but I''ve stated mine, and I''m stickin to it. Scripture teaches that the Exodus from Egypt was given as a pattern for the greater Exodus to come at the end of the age. As I have stated many times before, God did not remove the Jews from Egypt. He provided for them through the judgements. He could have blinded the Egyptians ans the jews could have just left. He did not. He could have ''air lifted'' them to the Holy land. He did not. He chose to judge the Egytptian gods, and at the same time taught His people more about Who He is, and about His justice, power and great love for them. He is about to do it again. He is going to judge the gods of this world all the while teaching us about just how great His love is for us. It all comes back to whether you believe what Jesus said or not. Jesus said He would come immediately after the tribulation of those days. He will fulfill Rosh HaShannah when He comes for those who have died in Him, and also those that remain alive.

I will ask the same of you that I asked of Magend, If you happen to have the Oct 2 issue, read the last article. It pretty much explains my view of the whole thing. There may be a cew other things I did not cover there, but I''m out of time right now. If you don''t have it, and want to read it, give me your e-mail address and I will send it to you. Gotta run. My relief is here and I have to give her report on the goings on around here this evening.
God bless
PS I may be able to get more into it tomorrow, but for tonight, it''s time to depart your lovely company!!!

to prove we are better christians then those who went before us? What verse in Rev. says the church is there and being protected from the wrath of God? Why isn''t the church mentioned even once from chapters 4-19? The church only appears after the return of Christ to the earth. This time is called the time of Jacobs trouble, are you Jacob? Could Jacob be the unsaved Jews along with the unsaved Gentiles that rejected Christ and His Salvation during this age?

a evil human race and removing Noah and his family was a removal from JUDGEMENT, Yes they were on the water but, not a part of the judgement. Tribulation is a judgement against the unbelievers, is the church a unbelieving church? Who are those who are alive that Jesus meets in the air? And when do you appear before the judgement seat? When do you eat at the marriage supper of the Lamb and who are those who return with Jesus when He returns to the EARTH for the second time? Since you won''t have Gods Mark, how will you get by in a cashless one world government? Who will you be able to trust? Why would a God of salvation let you enter into the trials of the tribulation to be tried AGAIN after you had once excepted Him? How do you prepare for the tribulation? Find a hiding place? Saving gold and silver to buy things? God says in James that your gold and silver will be no good in the end times? No food, no place to live, how long before you give up your head? Are we saved by grace, unearned? then wh

It''s not a matter of wanting to be here for the Trib, it''s a matter of preparing to be here being willing to suffer and maybe even die for our Lord & Savior. After all He has done for me, it''s the least I can do for Him.
God bless

would be removing them from the earth during the judgement. They were cast adrift in a boat. Another way to put it is, they were in the flood but not of the flood. Just as we as believers wiare to be in the world but not of the world. We will be in the tribulation,but not of the tribulation. Jesus said He would come immediately after the tribulation of those days. What about that statement do you not comprehend? He said immed. after, because that is what He meant. God does not lie, Ben. I''m pretty sure you won''t change your opinion because of anything I have said, and of course that is your right. I only ask one, thing, please, please prepare just in case. What if you wake one morning around some future Passover, to see the antichrist is on the news, standing on the Temple Mount proclaiming himself to be God? I know you don''t think it will happen that way, but just ask yourself, "WHAT IF??" Love in Christ, Carol

go through the tribulation are welcome I guess. But, since the church won''t be here, I guess it would have to be a special request and one made in pride, if a person believes they can escape the anti-christ and his one world government and one world religion both known as mystery babylon a two part system. God Bless those who want to be here.

the flood and closing the door and sealing it is taking them out of the judgement, then I don''t know what it would be? the pitch that was used to keep the waters out in the Hebrew means salvation. What about enoch and elijah? I guess they weren''t raptured either? The flood was a judgement of God as will the tribulation be. God says we will not see the wrath of God which is judgement, nothing says that the church will go through the tribulation and the scriptures don''t say the church will go through the tribulation and He will protect them from the anti-christ, as a matter of fact it is a trial to see if a person will except the mark of the beast, if you are a believer, you are already saved and wouldn''t under go that trail. The only ones protected are the 144,000 Jewish men from the 12 tribes. The people saved during the tribulation when caught will lose their heads, wouldn''t they be protected as a part of the believing church? Church not mentioned in Rev. after the 4th chapter and doesn''t reapp

Several donominations do not believe in the Trinity. Most believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but do not call it a Trinity, as the word Trinity is not in Scripture. The United Church of Christ is very liberal, even up to & including marriage of homosexuals. The original Church of Christ still exists to a small extent, & they are very conservative, but cultish, as they believe they are the only ones saved. I had assumed Wright''s view were not in line with his denomination, though. Maybe he is more in line than I thought....I think he is beyond a cult, though, unless you are talking of cults like Koresh, etc. I was thinking along the lines of the JWs, Mormons etc, who are actually very moral people just screwed up in exactly who Jesus is.(among other things). I don''t think Obama is the AC I do believe he will be instrumental in setting the AC up. Farakan says Obama is the muslim messiah!! God bless you Ben!!

same purpose as the Exodus from Egypt thousands of years ago. It was God''s judgment against the gods of this world, against Pharoh & those following him. Satan (the AC) is the Pharoh this time, & those who follow him. Compare the judgements in that day with the judgements of the Trib...pretty much the same, only on a grander scale. God did not zap the Jews out of Egypt, but provided for them & protected them, as He will provide for us in the comming judgements. Dom likes to use Noah as a picture of the pretrib rapture, not so. God protectd them through the flood, He didn''t remove them from it. If you still have the Oct 2 issue, go to the last article there. Rather than go through all that again, you can read what I wrote to Dom. Hopefully that will explain my views & why. If you don''t have it, I believe I do, & can send it to your e-mail, which I still have.....that is, if you want to read it - the choice is yours, no hard feelings if you don''t. You know, Magend, millions will make it through the

a cult, they do not believe in the Trinity, Berry Lynn is a pastor in this cult and believes in everything God is against. The fact obama-nation went there for 20 years tells me, he is not a christian, nor is his pastor. This church is a liberial church that will probaby be a part if not the leader of a one world religion? Probaby just a part of the world council of churches. I don''t believe obama-nation is the anti-christ, just as I don''t believe President Bush is. I know i hurt soozies feeling with that but truth is truth. I do believe satan can lead obama-nation in what ever direction he wants since he is probaby not a believe in anyway. In order to be a true believer you have to believe in the Trinity. If not, then you can''t know the God of the Bible. God Bless the believers in Jesus Christ our Savior.

Am sure more will pipe in before it is over....
But much is true!!! And is why I trully do wonder, could we be "Mystery Babylon"???
Not sure I agree with you, Carol, on Post Trib - though I do agree that folks had better be ready to give their heads (for Jesus) just in case. But, if the rapture is "After the Trib", then what would be the reason for even having one??? (Thought of that???) - me, I tend to be more beginning to mid trib. But I am sure that many will have to pay the ultimate sacrifice before that happens???!!!
Blessings and Peace Carol
G-dspeed to you and your Parents (and ALL)...
Magend

we''re anti NWO, totally politically INCORRECT, and too Christian to ever make it is that cess pool called Washington DC. God bless!!

Now, let''s me and you run for President and Vice, I''ll be your VP!!!

I agreed with everything you said - BOW, on-the-money - "Kaput"..

G-d Bless you Carol

babies? Although we are on the same page regarding the lack of morality in this country, Obama is not, nor will he ever be the solution. Any faith that does not believe in the God of Israel is of the devil. Jesus said that either we are for Him or against Him. We either worship the one true God, or the devil. No in-betweens. Therefore, Islam is of satan, since they do not worship the God of Abraham, Issac & Jacob.
To answer your question, am I proud of this country? I am proud of what this country was founded on.I am proud of our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our National Anthem. I still get a chill of pride over ''America the Beautiful''. However, that being said,
I am not proud of what it is becoming. I am not proud of the blatant banning of God and Godly principles in this nation. I am not proud that homos, perverts, athiests can squeak and our God given rights are obliterated. I am not proud that Christians are a laughing stalk these days. God bless, Magend!!

condoned the immorality in this country. We as a nation have forsaken our Cre8tor, and I am ashamed. If true believing Christians & Jews in this country would get off their keesters and take an active stand for their core values, we would not have porn, homo "rights", abortion, and all the rest of the garbage spewing from every street corner in every city in this land. The homos would be back in their closets, kids would be taught right from wrong, and properly diciplined when they act out instead of being drugged into obedience. There is much wrong in this nation, but trust me, Obama is not going to fix any of it. He will perpetuate it. He is all for homo rights, and has publically proclaimed that if elected, one of the first things he will do is strike down the ban on partial birth abortion. He WANTS to see innocent babies get their brains sucked out of their skull, all in the name of womens rights. What ever happened to the rights of the babies? Although we are on the same page regarding the lack of

We condemn Israel for defending themselves, continue tio kick G-d (the only true moral authority, out of schools and our lives - and yet dare to (smudge and belittle Reverand Wright for trying to stand up for what he believes in and Barrak Obama for listening to him).... it is called "Hypocricy" Carol. We''re just over a "Married" president (Clinton) that told a women to "Blow Him" that was not even chastised for it... and we wonder why the "Muslims" would prefer us not influence them and their children???!!!
Whom is it that we are calling "Satanic"???!!! Bin Laden and his cronies did as they did for these very reasons, yet whom are we to condemn even him, as G-d had David and the Israelites "DESTROY nations - men, women and children "for less".
Thoughts???!!!

Are you proud of a country that labels 18 year old teenage boys "sex offenders" (same label for child rapist) and throwing them in jail, ruining/scarring them for life for doing what they were taught in schools with their 17 year old girlfriends. Are you proud of a country that would award/reward a women (or man for that matter) with their children and child support for having an affair and abandoning their families??? The list goes on, but to sum it all up, are you yet still proud of a country that "calls good evil and evil good"? That has become as "in the days of Noah, like sodom and gommorah"???? It was/is "us - America" whom urges Israel to host and sponsor Gay Parades in the Holy Land.... it was/is "us-America" whom "dares" them not to "or we will scream" human rights and/or political correctness?!!! We condemn Israel for defending themselves, continue tio kick G-d (the only true moral authority, out of schools and our lives - and yet dare to (smudge and belittle Reverand Wright for trying to stand up f

I haven''t been deceived!
Just provoking thought and discussion - and to continue doing so, here''s a question for ya - are you yet and still proud of this country?!
Honest question!!! As you drive down the street and pass the "Porn" stores, watch the protest of those burning flags in the streets, those protesting the war and wanting folks thrown in jail for life for running dog fighting rings, yet carrying their teenage daughters to abortion clinics because the "condoms" they passed to "their" daughter had a whole in it? Are you proud of a country that not only condones, but supports Gay Marriage, advises divorce, takes (kidnaps/steals) children from their biological parents and then gives those children to (two daddy/two mommy) "family units?" That labels 18 year old teenage boys "sex offenders" (same label for child rapist), ruining/scarring them for life for doing what they were taught in schools with their 17 year old girlfriends. Are you proud of a country that would award/reward a women (or man

His disdain for this country? He took the flag off his plane. He doesn''t salute the flag, he hates our national anthem and wants to change it to something like "I''d like to teach the world to sing...la la la la....ARGHHHH!!! He has no patriotisim for America at all. They symbol he chose to replace the flag seems to have a muslim background, something to do with the muslim messiah, or mahdi. Further, Farakan, while speaking to the Islam Nation, refered to Obama as their messiah. This would not have been said if Obama did not have strong ties to Islam and a strong hatred for America. He also attended the million man march on Washington, which was a muslim event. He is not in fear for his life,which he would be if he had left the muslim faith.
Something for you to think about, friend. God bless

He is at the very least pro muslim, and so vary beyond the left of any other senator it is immeasurable. He almost makes the Clintons look conservative!! Now, I realize that he may well become our next president, & if he does, we are in a real mess much more than if McCain gets in.
It is all in God''s hands, anyway, not ours. God has a plan, and it will come to pass just as He wants it.
Think about this Magend, if he were a Christian, his value of human life would be much different than it clearly is. If he were a Christian, he would not stand up for homosexual rights. If he were a Christian, he would not have sat under the teaching of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years listening to that man''s anti Israel, anti Jewish, anti white, anti American hate speech. Yes, black preachers get fired up, but I have never heard one use profanity, take God''s name in vain, uphold Islam, or be best buds with Farakan! I have heard a few myself & those I have heard truly love the Lord. God bless

even prints news letters from ''palistine'' in the church bullitin. They are anti Israel, anti Jew, anti white, andi American, and have made that plenty clear. These are NOT Christian attributes be any stretch of the immagination, Magend!! Now, his group, which he was very active in, and who he has taught how to register voters, ACORN, are in deep trouble. They have been found to have falsely registered hundreds of thousands of people, (& seen that there were absentee ballots for each phony registration) from phone books, professional sports teams in states other than their own & without their knowledge, the same people over and over again, all with forged signatures. He taught these eople how to do this!! They have been recorded admitting to telling people to vote for Obama, then trying to side step it when they found they were on cameras breaking laws. Magend, dear boy, he is corrupt. He is NOT a Christian, at least not a true Christian. He is at the very least pro muslim, and so vary beyond the left

Hummmm, while I understand and agree that some here have said some pretty rough things about Obama, I have to disagree with a few points you have made. 1st of all, Michelle as well as Obama have a strong disdain for this country. She was never proud of this country until he was nominated to run....said so herself on nat''l TV. As to him possibly being muslim since he was raised muslim, if he had turned from that faith, there would have been a fatwah, or contract for his death out. Saudia Arabia had contacts in this country to make sure Obama got into Harvard & whatever other school he went to in NY. This has been testified to by the very person the Saudis used to get him in. Ask yourself why they would do that if he were not one of their own. It has been proved his birth certificate is fraudulent, and Hawaii cannot find records of his birth there. Rev Wright not onl gets hot under the collar, but also is buddies with Farakan &

But now, I also question, what if he isn''''t and we/someone because of "Blind Hate", G-d forbid, assinates him and we find out from G-d that ("he would have been a good president but ya''''ll killed him")...
My point is that we, as Christians, need to be sure that we are first "Judging" ourselves and that we vote based on our Morals, Values and Beliefs and not on "self-righteous" and "arrogant" judgement. I, myself, would also not vote for Obama (and this is the big one for me) because he has not made clear his stance on Israel. But dare we not, as Christians and Jews, judge all fairly and objectionably and/or without prayer and guidance.
Shalom and Se''lah Israel and America

I am (as most I am sure know) one of the most right-winged conservative Christians I know. Yet I say, careful with the "HATE". Jesus was hated (and do not mistake for a comparison, as I am not comparing but making a point) for no reason - because folks did not know or understand and so "self-righteously" assumed the worst and nailed Him to a cross. I believe, as most of you do, that these "times" we live in are in fact definative. Barrack Obama may in fact be "the" anti-christ, but without "proof" whom are we to judge??? I, as most here, find that I was in fact "Judging" him based on the "Propaganda" - it does come from both side (Liberal and Conservative) and was beginning to judge him based souly on the grounds of this propaganda. I was asking myself - what if he is the "Anti-Christ" and he gets into office etc. etc. etc. But now, I also question, what if he isn''t and we/someone because of "Blind Hate", G-d forbid, assinates him and we find out from G-d that (he would have been a good president but ya''ll

Barrack Obama may have gone to a Muslim School when he was young, but has been in a Christian Church for 20 years. (Muslims are required to go to a Mask and to pray facing east 5 times a day). He "Barrak" did not sware in on the Koran - in fact using the Holy Bible. And if we listen to what his pastor "Rev. Wright" was saying, well, may be we need more information!!! Because I have been to some churchs with Black pastors and let me tell you, when they got worked up over G-d and the Spirit - well, they just weren''t afraid to "spell it out for folks"!!! And pastor Wright was worked up and did say G-d - darned concerning America, but he seemed to me to be speaking about the same things we are angry about - kids being tossed into prison and lives ruined and just the stupid things that go on because of "Lack of Compassion, understanding and forgiveness". Which bye-the-way is "self-righteous" judgement in most cases and not "true, just objectionable judgement".

I, myself have taken a step back for relaxing and pondering and I have been asking myself a question lately - have we, any of us - trully given "Barrack Hussein Obama" a chance??? Or have we become so self-righteous that we have been unwilling to???
Please, bare with me. I have not changed my stance as to whom I would vote for (not voting) if I were to vote (McCain/Palin), and the reason I would be voting for MCCain/Palin has only to do with my choices in the issues (I am a conservative Christian and so am against abortion, gay marriage, etc.) But I do not think that Obama is the "Anti-Christ" and/or even an evil person as many of us have been making him out to be, and may turn out not to be even a bad president. I have been watching him closely and this is what I gather - he loves and is devoted to his wife (and she "Michelle" appears to be an intelligent women with a sincere and sweet character and disposition). He appears to care genuinly for people and though I do not care to pay for "Joes" alcohol pro

very holy day.

also miss you and Charles when I''m not on the site. Carol, glad to hear your mother is home, still praying for her and hope all will be better for her soon. God Bless you brothers and sisters in Christ. Gods Love, Gods health.

up to your old lies again, not surprised. I never have had a alcohol problem but did you ever get your drug problem under control. I guess not or you wouldn''t be so delustional about me. I will pray that your drug problem will clear up soon. If you would ask Jesus Christ to save you and give your freedom from your witchcraft and sorceries, that is what the greek word means. Anyhow, know that I will pray for you.

told me about the book, ''The Gospel in the Feasts of Israel''. I picked it up at the Christinan bookstore today, where I had them order it for me.and it is great!! I think it was Ellie, but I''m not sure. I highly recommend it to anyone interested. God bless all, Carol

Be assured you, Charles & your family are in my prayers as well. Mom was discharged yesterday from the hospital. My sister, who lives with them, doesn''tbelieve she was ready to go home, but time will tell. A home health nurse is supposed to come 2 times a week to see how she is doing and take her vitals. She has to watch her weight rigoriously, because if she starts filling up with fluid that is where it will show first. I will probably stop to see her on Saturday. We live a good distance from them, and with my work schedule it makes it difficult to see them.

Jesus, what a wonderful Name!! Where would we be without Him? I can''t imagine my life without Him at the helm. Oh my!! I just want to jump up and shout!! I''m at work though, and they might transport me to the psych unit..........better contain myself. God bless you, my sister.

Hi Ben, thanks for your support. I was hoping the scriptures would help Ari, but obviously they didn''t. Well anyway, I''m glad to see you''re back, Charles and I have missed you. God bless you.

I couldn''t agree with you more, I am a Christian who is also a recovering alcoholic. And with Jesus in my life He has changed my life, and He has not only saved my soul, but He also saved my life. And as you said, there are many Christians who are recovering alcoholics. And Ari has shown his blatant disregard to God''s Word, by bringing all this up about BENFOX. It takes a very uncaring, and insensitive person to do such as that... How is your mother doing? I hope and pray, that she is getting better. I will keep her and you, and the rest of your family in my prayers. God bless you and your family.

I think I''ll butt in here!! Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! MANY saved Christians are recovering alcoholics! Who are you to say one thing about another person''s salvation? My husband is a Christian, & a recovering alcoholic. He has been sober 21 yrs. I''m sure there are probably other recovering alcoholics & drug users here as well, who are saved by God''s GRACE. God looks upon the heart! You only have to look to the Bible! Noah was a drunk, yet God loved him. David was an adulterer & murderer, & God loved him too. Saul murdered believers in Jesus, yet he bacame one of the greatest Apostles! Before you judge someone else,or air their dirty laundry, maybe you should look to your own laundry. If you had any sense at all, you would keep your stupid mouth shut. God did not appoint you judge and jury of anyone!

Those Hamas mosques are an equal distress to the righteous among The Palestinian nation. A TV programme a while back on British media titled "Inside Hamas" showed Islamic police threatening and beating a congregation of Moslems who refused to attend the Friday prayers because Hamas were instead - inciting hatred. It was heartbreaking

quote from Tim? You are beginning to sound like rebeckah of sunnybrook farms, just put it out there and people will think you know scripture? In this case the scripture were talking about you, and you don''t know enough to know that. God love you, you try and try again and you still don''t have a clue. Thats okay, you try, what more could we ask? See the light, the Godly light and the leading of the Holy Spirit, I''m praying for you friend.

come back. Wow!!! Jim B. you couldn''t have said it better friend. Thank you for the call, always glad to hear from you brother. Looking forward to seeing you in the near future. You are a level head at times when this site can get a little crazy and I know that at times I''m at the head of the list. Thank You. I know that I''m not to bright but, wasn''t former President Bill Clinton behind the Iron Curtain when he was suppose to be in school? Don''t mean to disrespect this great man and what he did for America. Let''s see, we were attach 5 times, act of war and in his leadership he bombed a asprin factory to show his leadership? His leadership role came from former President Carter who let our people become imprisoned by who? Iran, really? Wow, such leadership. If President slick willie would have shown some leadership, 9/ll would never have happened. People can vote for leadership or socialist government through obama-nation. Your choice, God will judge, so choose wisely.

I agree with your 12:19 comment below. Interesting that you should bring that up. Last night that very issue was a topic of conversation between co-workers and myself. We are all vietnam era vets and conservatives. The HYPOCRICY of the liberal left is clear. Being a military veteran is very important for a republican in their view. When a democrat runs for office, the issue is never raised.

Romans 2:1-3,

"Therefore thou art inexusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself, for thou that judgest doest the same things."

"But we are sure that the judgement of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."

"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgement of God?"

In the old days those that had jobs that payed enough or provided insurance, the woman could get a quite legal abortion called ( dilation and cutter-age ) . This was long before Rowe v Wade . Those that could not afford it would fall back on other methods . You can not legislate morals although we don''t have to assist in the unholy effort .
Most businesses will not pay enough wages to employees for the employee to buy insurance . Businesses feel that they are actually paying Social Security benefits when the user of their services are paying that 6.02 percent . All of it comes from you the consumer , both Obama''s and McCain''s plan .
Both of the above issues are nothing but fodder. The real issue is will Obama support Christian values . (No!) That''s the Issue !

Good to see you back.

When Clinton ran for president, was it ever mentioned that he had no military experience? Now that Obama is running there seems to be no question about his not serving in the military. But when President Bush ran for office the left was all over the fact that he was not qualified to be Commander in Chief because he had only served in the national guard. Now Obama is more qualified, from the lefts point of view, than a decorated war hero is to be Commander in Chief of the armed forces. This by the way is the Presidents number one job. Why?

I really appreciated your lesson there Mark,and agreed with every word ! I`m afraid though that we could soon be the first westerners in the Siberian salt mines,courtesy of Jaroslav and his Godless commie posse ! Saying that,Magend could beat us to it !!! Thanks again for the reassurance that "its not just me",God bless you and Israel !!

You have a great plan there! It is a whole lot like the platform of the Conservative Party. Unfortunately, I am afraid we have gone too far down the socialist pathway. Too many people like depending on the gov. for things they should be providing for themselves (& could if the gov wasn''t robbing us blind to provide for those who won''t work, who fake disability, & think it is all owed to them) There are people in true need,who ARE disabled, or who can''t find jobs, because of all the illegals that need to be deported, & the borders sealed from further invasion. Did you know that alcholoisim, drug addiction are considered disabilities these days, & they get SS checks & free medical care? I am not kidding!!! I work in a hospital, & there are those who come through my unit (an ICU unit) who are on disability because of addiction. Addiction is something that people can overcome. They do not need to be handed money to buy more drugs to feed the addiction! God bless

continued prayers. They are discharging Mom today. Neither I nor my sister think she is ready to go home, but Medicare has limits on the time they will pay for illnesses, and I guess she has reached that limit. The hospital I work at does not do that. We keep the patient until they are ready to leave, and we ''eat'' the remaining balance. (which probably means higher costs to the insured). If I am right, and she is not out of the woods, she will be back in there soon, but it will be a new case to Meidcare and they will once again pay.
Our health care system does need work, but I am totally opposed to the universal plan of the liberals. I''m not quite sure how to fix it. I know people from places where they have gov paid health care, and they are not pleased with the plan. A shortage of doctors & dentists, long waits for much needed surgery, some even pulling their own teeth because they can''t get in to the dentist. If congress had to have the same insurance as the rest of us, things would change

11. ABOLISH ABORTION - PERIOD.
12. Put into law that marriage is defined as being between a MAN and WOMAN -PERIOD.


Anyone care to add....

You see where I am coming from....??

1. Seal the borders of the US.
2. Do some serious MR.CLEANING in Washington.
3. Put our elected politicians on the same SS plan as we have rather than their own plan.
4. NO saleries for elected officials -go back to the old days of duty,honor and country.
5. 4 year term limits NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
6. a THREE PARTY SYSTEM.
7. Cut off trade with Communist governement(s) PERIOD again NO EXEPTIONS,NO NEGOTIATIONS.
8. SERIOUS Accountability in Washington.
9. No negaotiations with terrorist org., countries who harbor terrorist...PERIOD.
10. become energy independent drill our own oil,gas,nuclear power etc...

unhinged is what you do when we won''t buy your lies and day dreaming interpretation of scripture. Your like that gal, ellan white, didn''t she think she was a prophetess and started her own religion and then a off shoot of that false teaching, started the JW''s movement which is taking a lot of people to hell? If know what you say isn''t true is coming unhinged then I''m ready and willing and the sooner you realize your false teachings the better off this site will be.

If you get sick and you didnt take the personal responsibility to buy health insurance when you started your job...tuff!!!!
You see, this is the issues and the mindset of upcoming America. There is a trend going around that the government or someone needs to take the responsibility to take care of you and be responsible for you.
If you were a child maybe I could understand simply for the fact you dont know any better..but for God sakes, what ever happened to growing up and taking on responsibilities as an adult as a mature human being should take.
Less intrusion by government means the people grow up and become responsible for their own actions. More government - we become less responsible, less productive and expect a check we dont deserve.

its all very simple to me........

it. If obama-nation is elected I agree with many on this site, that America, a once great nation is doomed. We should have been judged long ago for killing 52 million babies, allowing homosexuals special right because the way they have sex and for a divorce rate that is out of sight. We wonder why our children are getting worse? When they have multipule parents and grand parents, what do you expect? This problem is as big in the church as it is in society. Preachers can''t preach one man and women until death do us part for fear of lossing a big part of there church? We are in a great state of apostate bible teaching and its not going to get better. I don''t go to the perfect church but I go to a small one because the preacher won''t preach a social gospel to fill the pews. I thank God for him. God Bless all the brothers and sisters in Christ who are born again and on their way to heaven, it may be soon.

Health Care -IS NOT A RIGHT it is an option and a matter of personal responsibility. just like when you purchase a TV or car and pay extra for insurance in case it breaks, well there you go. its an OPTION and again, a matter or personal responsibility. Is it fair to take from someone who has been succesful and give a portion of their success to someone who hasnt lifted their finger to help the economy and the country or themselves for that matter? its the same with health care, if you are going to have 100 babies, then by God you need to take responsibility and take care of them, rather than expect the government or the responsible citizens to give up their success and take care of them for you with THEIR MONEY.
This is just wrong...PERIOD!

Do you feel like coming unhinged again soon ben?

even Obama admitted last night himself that "he doesnt know everything" -well I want a president with alot more confidence than that, and who does know everything. Again, he admitted his lack of experience..the presidency is not a job for on the job training.
Taxes - keep taxes low and DO NOT RAISE them!!! you cannot do that with the economy in the shape it is in. taxing 60% of the populous to redisctribute their wealth into the 40% of the populous who does not pay taxes is ludicrous!!! You see, Obamas plan has always been for bigger and more government intrusion into every aspect of our lives.

is not mystery Babylon, it won''t even be around for the judgement, I believe it will be taken out by Russia as it is being destroyed Ezk 39. President Bush will be gone soon and your false prophiecy will be a laughing stock. As for stealing elections, you should know all about that. the left tried it in 2000, they sent the chicago bunch down to Flordia to steal the election and the Supreme Court said they couldn''t change the rules after the election, so much for stealing. How about acorn the left wing vote stealing, dead voting org. that obama-nation is envolved with? They have been stealing votes for years and some thank God are in jail. How about Ohio where you sign up and vote on the spot? Round up the drunks and the homeless, the left will sign you right up. If the anti-christ is in the US, then I say obama-nation fits to a T, hasn''t told the truth about anything yet. Like his father the devil.

Clinton days look like the good ole days.... I have said it and will say it again, this man will destroy the America as we know it.
Now with that said, I personally do not like either candidate (especially Obama). But looking at the overall picture, with the domestic issues we are having and particuarly the present international issues and the ones arising, we need an individual with experience, especially in foreign policy and who understand the military. And that is hands down McCain, without question. He will send Palin into the halls of the senate,house,congress to clean the corruption up.

I agree with everything you wrote. On election day I will cast my vote for McCain/Palin and send it off with a prayer. God is still on the THRONE and God answers PRAYER.
BLESSINGS.


Your Mother is still in my thoughts and prayers.
Jim

in office than the alternative. Obama is a marxist...way beyond even the far left liberals in this country. People whine about how bad it is now, so they want "CHANGE". Obama screeches "CHANGE" but he doesn''t want to say what those changes are going to be. This is because if tahe people even had a clue as to what he has in mind, he would be hard pressed to get 100,000 votes, much less the number he needs to work his web of deception on this nation. Anyone who speaks out against Obama is a racist. The media can''t fathom that people might just actually be against him because of his marxist & muslim leanings, lack of esperience, and general all around stupidity.
God will put the man in office He wants there, for His purposes. It may be Obama. God will use him in much the same way He used Judas. I agree that this nation is in serious need of a good spanking, & we are going to get it. God corrects His own. He is about to clean His house first, then He will take care of the rest. God bless

But the Republicans will steal it for him IF the election takes place. Looking more and more like that is not going to happen with this manufactured ''financial crisis'' taking place.

I knew you couldn''t handle the truth.

What do you think this bailout is all about? Just another crisis that your saviour bush has to weather? Get a clue.

America is Mystery Babylon. Bush is the Son of Perdition and it is being revealed for those who can see through the deception. I know you are not one of them, but it does not mean it is not so just because you don''t believe it. Jesus was who He said He was even though the masses crucified Him for it.

"Seized documents show Hamas funding Israeli Arabs"

wow, that''s a real shocker.

people to go to. Only haters would believe the trash there. Hope you wake up soozie, along with your buddy jar-o-????.

The whole civilized world would be a better place if the muslims went back to their backward, barbarric countries, but they have infiltrated civilized nations in order to take them over. Lefties would be shouting racisim, and having appoplexy. They are so busy buying into the political correctness garbage that they can''t see the danger. There may be coming a day when they are very sorry for buying into the lie, but by then, it may just be too late. God bless

Regarding Jim Borges` suggestion that arabs must go back to arab lands, in my opinion that would apply to ANY muslim currently living in ANY country in the western world ! Only then would we start to reclaim our Christian countries. I know that this statement will get all the lefties shouting "racism",but the fact remains that they are not in our countries for OUR benefit ! Either accept Christ or leave, radical maybe,but nowhere near as radical as Islam ! GOD BLESS ISRAEL !

and very stupid and vile. I think we got it and Ellie is right, "it" isn''t worth our time to read anything "it" says. Just another weak mind trying to express itself.

Israeli Jews and Arabs have lived in relative peace over the years, except for some terrorist attacks which usually surprised the Jews. The Israeli democracy even gives arabs representation in the Knesset. Arabs are more loyal to islam than their country. What about the large Christian arab poulation? After this coming war arabs MUST be sent to arab lands.

many years ago by Rabbi Kahane. You should have kicked the vipers out of YOUR country in 1948 and 1967. Now their eggs have hatched and you have even MORE vipers to deal with. Peace isn''t peace when it comes at the cost of giving up your capitol city and portions of your country to get it!
Am Israel Chai!

kick them nasty ones all out of israel and reclaim YOUR land, oh precious israel!!!