Obama to adopt Saudi plan, ram home Israel-Arab peace deal

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 Israel Today Staff

US President-elect Barack Obama intends to start his presidency with a bang by rapidly concluding an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement based on the 2002 Saudi peace proposal.

That according to sources close to Obama who spoke to London's Sunday Times.

Advisors to the president-elect said they had convinced him to give the Israeli-Palestinian peace process top billing during his first year in office, as the enormous goodwill he currently enjoys will make it easier to oversee a final status agreement.

They also say that getting the Israelis and Palestinians to sign a peace deal would dramatically and instantaneously transform the mood across the region, bolstering friendly regimes and isolating extremists and the current Iranian regime.

The Times article indicated that Obama was more open to the idea of hitting the ground running on the Saudi initiative after both Israeli President Shimon Peres and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni reiterated their support for the proposal.

During his visit to Israel last summer, Obama's advisors said that he privately told the Palestinians that Israel would be "crazy" not to accept the Saudi plan, which offers the Jewish state broad acceptance in the region in exchange for surrendering 100 percent of the eastern half of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Golan Heights.

If Livni wins Israel's upcoming general election Obama is likely to find in her the partner he needs to get a deal based on the Saudi proposal signed by both sides.

But if Likud Party and opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu becomes Israel's next prime minister, as polls currently suggest, Obama may have to put the Israeli-Palestinian peace process on the back burner, as Netanyahu has vowed to freeze land-for-peace negotiations.

The Palestinians themselves could be another wrench in the gears.

While Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has made a show of supporting the Saudi proposal, he continues to insist on the right to flood Israel with millions of so-called "Palestinian refugees," an issue that the Saudi plan avoids and that all Israeli leaders say is a red line.

The Palestinian Authority is also scheduled to have elections of its own in January. Abbas has declared that he will not allow elections at this time, but not all Palestinians are happy about that, and certain groups could take action that leads to the current regime's downfall.

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[91] COMMENTS:

1 .

Obama

Wonder how much Money the Muslims have given Obama to get the job done?

Michael

8/6/2009 12:00 AM

2 .

Obama

Wonder how much Money the Muslims have given Obama to get the job done?

Michael

8/5/2009 11:59 PM

3 .

Obama

Wonder how much Money the Muslims have given Obama to get the job done?

Michael

8/5/2009 11:58 PM

4 .

response to hans # 87

during the british mandate the "palestinians" (which comes from the word philistine) were given land in jordan, etc. but their own arab people rejected them. now they want to take land that isn''t theirs and never was. they are refugees, but it is the fault of their leaders. they are being used as leverage for those in power to take the land of israel. israel allows arabs to live in israel and enjoy all the rights of citizenship, but arabs won''t even allow jews to step foot in their countries. israel desires to help the arabs, but the arabs just want to kill israel and take the land. that is their only goal. they do not want peace. they want dominion.

todd

12/4/2008 3:01 AM

5 .

Your Very Welcome Dahveed !

Gloria

11/19/2008 10:01 AM

6 .

Ellie

Hello Ellie: I''m glad you saw it, she gloated with demonic glee when she knew she had done an evil deed to a poster. May God reward her speedily.

God Bless, David

David E. Kaus

11/19/2008 4:34 AM

7 .

David''s Mighty Men

David''s armies consisted of
''mighty men of valour''

The IDF have similar qualities!

However Israel badly needs a government consisting of such men like...
'' the children of Issachar which were men who had understanding of the times to know what Israel ought to do'' I Chronicles 12:32

11/18/2008 11:42 PM

8 .

Carol WA USA

Have a safe and joyous PILGRIMAGE! A group from my church is going to Israel in FEB 09. I will not be with them. I am planning to go in Mar-April 2010. God Bless!

Jim Borge

11/18/2008 11:31 PM

9 .

David K.

I saw it too late, not knowing where Rebekah was going.
She''s like a spider weaving a web.
But I''m not on the menu.

Ellie

11/18/2008 11:29 PM

10 .

In the Name of The God of the Armies of Israel

''You come to me with a shield and a sword and a spear but I come to you
in the Name of the God of the Armies of Israel!''
So said little David when he confronted huge Goliath

Yes ! re 2:44PM
We put put trust in none but God...
But it was David and Joshua who were appointed BY GOD to lead Israel''s armies to victory !
That is why we must pray for Netanyahu if God willing he is elected!

Kristin

11/18/2008 2:58 PM

11 .

Yes you are right

but it is God we put our trust, not Bibi.

11/18/2008 2:44 PM

12 .

God still fights for Israel !

Bibi will stop Iran if he has to !
The damage can be limited under the right leadership because God still fights for Israel as in the days of Joshua & King David...
As Jack said if we know the Word of God we are aware of what will eventually come to pass but we are still to pray for Israel''s success and security as watchmen posted on the walls of Jerusalem.

Kristin

11/18/2008 2:42 PM

13 .

For God desires that none should perish.

11/18/2008 2:30 PM

14 .

The Bible says there will be

a war. It will not change. Bibi is not going to change it. He cannot.

We have to look up now and begin compelling all those in the highways and byways to come into the kingdom as Yeshua told in the story of the wedding feast. For god desires that none should perish.

11/18/2008 2:29 PM

15 .

right on Jack!

Absolutely Jack L !
Israel gird up yourselves and realise that God will subdue nations under you and that you are His warclub to accomplish some of it!
Pray for Netanayhu folks - he has honourable ideas about encouraging autonomy via business projects for the Palestinians BUT that is sadly doomed to failure as peace with Israel is not on the Islamic agenda.

Sarah

11/18/2008 2:29 PM

16 .

Between a Rock and a Hard Place

It seems Israel is will have a hard choice in 2009:

To stand against Obama Man
or
Commit national suicide!

Let''s hope Netanyahu gets elected .
At least Israel will stand a fighting chance instead of just rolling over to die. Comon Israel - get into the fighting spirit of Joshua and take back the promised Land!
Whilst we know what will eventually occur whatever the present election outcome and its repercussions re the two state solution it would be be uplifting to see some of that Israeli true grit after the insipid Olmert et al!

Jack L

11/18/2008 2:15 PM

17 .

You know the key is

that God desires that none should perish. Some will perish but that does not detract from the fact as stated in the Word that God''s desire is that NONE should perish. With this fact, yes fact, in mind we can again look at the events taking place in the world. Satan would have that ALL should perish.

Life is attained through the Jewish people in the land of Canaan. Why? Because Canaan represents the curses, and the Jews represent the blessings, not only to themselves, but to the whole world, through their brother and son, the son of David, the Son of God, Yeshua Hamashiach.

Why is there a fight over that small sliver of land? Because it is to do with life, and Satan would oppose it, because he is to do with death.

11/18/2008 1:50 PM

18 .

Carry On Obama

and feel he wrath of Almighty God on America. The one thing that politicians do for sure is LIE when they want to be voted in. Anyway just for arguments sake, Please let me know why there are wild fires in America at this current time. Can No Leader just listen to God, Can they not see the destruction that they are bringing on their own country and people? Anyway.. I rest my Case other than to Keep praying for Israel. May The Lord God of Israel Have Vengeance on those who wish to come against Israel The Chosen Ones of Our Lord.

Kent

11/18/2008 11:31 AM

19 .

Jim Borge

You are welcome Jim.

A good read is Conversation on the beach by Solly Ganor. It is down on the bottom of the page on the right side. Imaginary or not so imaginary - scenario is also a good one.

I have just signed up for a tour of Israel in Mar 09...we will have 5 days in Jerusalem...can''t wait.

Carol WA US

11/18/2008 9:03 AM

20 .

Jim

Hello Jim: When you see that blasphemer Rebekah posting, alert Israel Today and they will remove her filth. You can do that on the page she is using to do her evil.

I can''t believe that some are still posting to her. It is possible that they do not know that she is out to "get another", as she boasted of doing before.

God Bless, David

David E. Kaus

11/18/2008 6:21 AM

21 .

Gloria

Hello Gloria: Thank you for the information about David Hunt''s book. I have many of his books, newsletters, etc, and enjoy them very much.

There are some very good commentaries available, by gifted men of God. One individual spent 30 years doing research for the Old Testament alone. Another spent 25 years on the book of Revelation using no other commentaries, or references. He just relied on what is in the Bible, and prayer.

I try to obey the golden rule. For every 10 minutes of Scriptural output, I need to have 10 hours of Scriptural input, or more.

Thank you for your compliment on another page.

Shalom, Dahveed

David E. Kaus

11/18/2008 6:12 AM

22 .

Father protect those that...

Did NOT Vote for that muslim arab and NON-citizen in sheeps clothing! Protect them what you must do now to America! Amen!

Ray

11/18/2008 5:09 AM

23 .

Speaks volumes!

rebuilding states after conflict and meeting goals on tackling poverty and disease.

Quote of the week:
Sky TV News Nov 10th
" Barack Obama is being hailed as the saviour of the world "

**************

Kristin

11/18/2008 3:37 AM

24 .

FRANK

GOOD NEWS! "The Mountains of Israel" by Norma Archbold is still available from amazon.com, I bought my copy (now worn) in Israel also.

Jim Borge

11/18/2008 3:01 AM

25 .

WILL THE BLASPHEMIES EVER CEASE?

I see below where Rebekah is again comparing THE LORD OF GLORY, Jesus, to the "man of sin" of 2 Thess. 2:3-4! BLASPHEMY! The "man of sin" is, of course, the coming antichrist who obama is preparing the way for! Jews, DO NOT BE DECEIVED! Yeshua ha Notzri ben David IS YOUR ONLY MESSIAH AND ISRAEL''S ONLY HOPE! RECEIVE HIM NOW!

Jim Borge

11/18/2008 2:55 AM

26 .

Events are gearing up...

2009 will begin with highly significant events ..

The inauguration of Obama
The Israeli elections
The scheduled Palestinian Authority elections

Each of them will have serious impact on the Saudi proposals

WATCH and PRAY!!

Observer

11/18/2008 2:25 AM

27 .

No land for peace period!! It should be peace for peace.

When the USA gives America back to the Indians, when every other country in the world gives back land they took illegally, maybe Israel should then discuss talking to the arabs. The Golan Heights ,Judea Samaria and Jerusalem should never be given back to the arabs. Israels leader be strong tell obama to tell the arabs to give back their conquerored lands first.

Don Rosenberg

11/17/2008 11:39 PM

28 .

Rebekah,I meant only the post of the

Rock of Ages.
But I have to tell you that you are wrong in the application of Deut. 32:31, 37 to the Christian Church and messianic congregations.
So I will not take that seriously.
I pray you will survive the turmoil long enough to see your error here.
May God open your heart to truth.

Ellie

11/17/2008 8:29 PM

29 .

Rebekah, I liked that. Thank you!

Ellie

11/17/2008 8:22 PM

30 .

Hi Jim

O is acting more and more like the commander in chief.
From one side of his mouth is "there can only be one president at the time, and that is Mr. Bush"
and out of the other side, he''s spouting his policies as if he is already sworn in.
Its going to be a bumpy ride for real Christians, for the time remaining.
I think of that old hymn, "Stand up Stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the cross."
Jim , I beleiver we are going into severe spiritual battle when this man takes office.

Ellie

11/17/2008 5:29 PM

31 .

Obama on Israel

he should read Hamas Charter first and realise that most Palestinians want to get rid of Israel and get all of Jerusalem. Saudis cannot be trusted either. Their peace plan is very bad for Israel and would leave her with borders a small country cannot defend.
Unless they renounce all violence against Israel there cannot be peace talks. Hatred and violence should stop first. Moreover I know that God has a better plan for Israel.
Shalom from Holland

Dik - Holland

11/17/2008 3:44 PM

32 .

BKN

Yes, i agree Israel has indeed made the desert bloom,again like the bible said was going to happen!,I love Israel and the Jewish people so much,i mistakenlly posted from there,ha ha..I''ve always wanted to go to Israel and will when Jesus returns!This will be such happyness!When we finally beat our swords into plowshares,God bless you.

Ben from Texas

11/17/2008 2:54 PM

33 .

God is the owner of whole earth and you have been maddling

in just about all areas of it, dividing God''s land.

Jaroslav

11/17/2008 10:42 AM

34 .

Gloria

Shalom from France,
I agree that is an excellent book and should be a must read for every person who wants to lead our country.
Another excellent book is "THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL" The Bible and the West Bank by Norma Archbold. I bought it at the Christian book store in Jerusalem so don''t know if you can get it in the US. I bought one to send to Bush also, but gave up on the idea!
God bless and God bless Israel

FRANK

11/17/2008 9:52 AM

35 .

"o" is not in office yet, and already...

he is meddling in an area that he does not belong. God will SURELY judge the US with this ungodly person dividing up God''s LAND. The Saudis are no friends of the US and the free world. Jews are not even allowed into Saudi Arabia. We should REJECT any plan devised by these islamists.

Jim Borge

11/17/2008 8:20 AM

36 .

Carol WA US

Thank you so much for the website link. I am a student of history as well as a student of the Bible and these short Powerpoint presentations are enjoyable as well as informative. These presentations are accurate and self paced. I added them to my Favorites so I can review them again.

Jim Borge

11/17/2008 7:57 AM

37 .

ANOTHER good book David E Kaus 3:46Am

Judgement Day By Dave Hunt, The Berean Call.org

Gloria

11/17/2008 7:22 AM

38 .

correction:7-year deal

I bet ya it will be a 7 year peace deal, that will be broken in about 42 months.

biblthmp

11/17/2008 6:55 AM

39 .

7 year deal

I bet ya it will be a 7 year peace deal, that will be brown in about 42 months.

biblthmp

11/17/2008 6:54 AM

40 .

If he gets the Jews a chunk of the

templemount, we''ll know for sure who he really is.........and it ain''t gonna be pretty.

11/17/2008 6:13 AM

41 .

no name, no brain, insane and use any name, about your 5:52

pm post, just the same old dribble from the gutless druggie from rehab. How is your padded cell tonight. I see they still get drugs to you some how? If I could find out which institution you were in, I would get someone fired for giving you those drugs. you know they aren''t good for you? Remember, if you will ask Jesus to forgive your sin of sorcery you could be a free person who would go to heaven when you die but, if you keep up your sin, there is no hope, you will end up with your present god satan and he is headed for a real hot climate for all eternity. Hope you get saved bud.

BENFOX

11/17/2008 4:21 AM

42 .

A New President ! and Change!

For the better or the worse? That''s the Question . There is one undeniable fact , the NWO will dictate policy to whom ever gets in . Obama is widely acceptable to all in this world . His only opponents are we Christians who do not believe him to be Christian and see traits of the Antichrist in him .We see the timing of Obamas arrival and overwhelming popularity throughout the world as very suspicious . I myself believe that h Obama is the one that will bring a false peace to Israel . May God Have Mercy on our souls.

Charles

11/17/2008 4:06 AM

43 .

Hans

One day soon you will lifr your eyes to the God of Israel and beg for mercy. Sir, I suggest you do that now instead of when it is too late. Jesus Christ, the son of the Living God, still sits at the right hand of the Father, interceeding for those who will come to him in repentance.

Albert Mason

11/17/2008 3:53 AM

44 .

Prayer for Israel

Lord I pray that you will continue to convict your chosen nation to put their trust in you alone, SAVE THE ISRAELITES, OPEN THEIR SPIRITUAL EYES SO THAT THEY WILL BELIEVE JESUS, AND ACCEPT HIM AS THEIR MESSIAH. tHANK YOU LORD FOR BLESSING YOUR PEOPLE ISRAEL.

Divina V. Madiz fr. the Philippines

11/17/2008 3:47 AM

45 .

SORRY FOR THE DUPS

I don''t know how three of ''There is already a Palestinian State'' were posted. I refreshed the screen a couple of times and wonder if that would do it as I did not send a comment 3 times deliberately

Carol WA US

11/17/2008 3:47 AM

46 .

Hussein Obama and Hitler''s Cross (cont)

and the Church as a whole, was ripe for his deception.

For those who want to see what the future holds in store if Hussein Obama gets elected (the electoral college will vote on that in December, the recent popular vote only ed what electors will vote for the president), may I suggest a book to read that takes us through the era of Hitler''s rise to power, and the broken Cross. The book is titled, Hitler''s Cross, by Erwin W. Lutzer. Moody Press of Chicago printed the book: ISBN 0-8024-3579-3.

David E. Kaus

11/17/2008 3:46 AM

47 .

There is already a Palestinian State

In 1946 the British had partitioned Palestine and d an independent Palestine-Arab state…guess where JORDAN… The Palestinians have had a state for all these years and have refused to accept it because of their hatred. Britain set up the Hashemite King in Jordan…I had read that the Hashemites had been defeated in Saudi Arabia earlier in the century and chased out of the country and were basically homeless..
Go to http://www.conceptwizard.com/conen/conflict_2.html and see the history. There are also some other good presentations on this small website.

carol WA US

11/17/2008 3:40 AM

48 .

Hussein Obama and Hitler''s Cross (cont)

Being a muslim in disguise, Hussein Obama rejects an allegiance to America''s flag, and the Bible for a muslim flag, and the koran. In doing so he clearly shows everyone that he despises God, His ways, His Word, and the real Messiah of the world Jesus Christ.

Many doctrinal errors in the Church such as kingdom Now theology ( the church replacing Israel), Preterism (all prophesy has been fulfilled), amilllennialism ( no millennium), post millennialism (the Church will go through the Great Tribulation), etc, have led to a worldliness of the Church, and a rejection of looking for that blessed hope Jesus Christ prior to the Great Tribulation to Translate His Church to heaven ( pre millennialism). This also has led to an ecumenical movement that has forsaken sound doctrine for a unity with Roman Catholicism,and all pagan religions, and the recent U.N. interfaith conference.

A parallel of the above conditions existed when Hitler came on the scene, and the Church, as a whole, was ripe for his dece

David E. Kaus

11/17/2008 3:35 AM

49 .

There is already a Palestinian State

carol WA US

11/17/2008 3:06 AM

50 .

Hussein Obama and Hitler''s Cross

Hitler''s Cross, the broken cross, was one that tried to mock the Cross of Jesus Christ. How did it come to be that Hitler''s broken cross stood along side the Cross of Jesus Christ in all the Churches of Germany ?

Hitler mesmerized an entire nation that was obsessed with self interest at all cost, even the forsaking of the call of God to walk in His ways, for the worship of economic prosperity, and nationalistic pride.

The German''s were in need of a hero, as a focal point to energize them, and unite them in their pride. The theory of evolution gave birth to its eventual end, Aryan supremacy over all mankind.

In Hussein Obama we see many traits of Hitler, and the end time anti christ. An economic crisis will soon have people seeking any solution to return to the status quo. A black community now desires "their turn" to reign supreme over all others, and has turned a blind eye to a vile immoral person to achieve that end.

David E. Kaus

11/17/2008 3:05 AM

51 .

There is already a Palestinian State

carol WA US

11/17/2008 2:13 AM

52 .

Say, Ben from Texas, got a little far east of the Pecos..

..and took a turn at Negev, I see in your posts below.

The Jewish people turned the land that was neglected and trashed by the Arabs, and turned it into a beautiful garden. Rightful husbandry for the land of Israel.

Their true Peace is on His way, and soon.

BKN

11/17/2008 1:57 AM

53 .

They don''t care!

Palestinians don''t care about Jerusalem. Obama doesn''t care about Jerusalem. Most Americans don''t care about Jerusalem. Many so-called Christians don''t care about Jerusalem.

God Cares!
True Israelis care
I care

mickey

11/17/2008 1:34 AM

54 .

Albert Mason,

I agree your comments reflect the truth that this is happening now..The ''''world community''''doesn''t care about Israel''s safety or security.They only care about the Palestinians that hate Israel,They either don''t know God gave this land to Israel,''''which it clearly states in the Bible'''' or they don''t care..All the leaders of the world want to be the ''''one'''' to bring peace to this land,but Jesus is the only worthy one that will do this ,and it will happen when the time is right!God bless Israel

Ben from Texas

11/17/2008 1:30 AM

55 .

Hans you said ''''the Israelie people love to live in peace''''

when have they ever had peace?They are constantly being attacked,they gave back Gaza,did this slow down the rockets no!Your false assumption that Israel giving up land for ''''peace '''' is truly unrealistic,,their enemies have vowed their destruction,if Israel gives up all this land for this ''peace'''' you speak of they will only get more attacks,your comments do not reflect reality..and religion does play a major part in this conflict,God gave this land to Israel,its stated in the Bible,but of course if you don''t believe in the Bible then you just don''t understand God''s plan.Jesus will return to stop the nations from taking that which HE has given them.

Ben from Texas

11/17/2008 1:17 AM

56 .

HAPPY Solution

GOD made firm and everlasting promises to ALL the children of Abraham. Why do not we seek His face that He may reveal the path to their fulfillment instead of endlessly arguing among ourselves with respect to what belongs to whom.

Surely, the real estate belongs to Him who hath delivered it into our hands...

Tina

11/16/2008 11:57 PM

57 .

religious ''truth'' doesn''t exist

Religious ''truth'' should be treated with the necessary care, and shouldn''t by any means be part of seeking a solution for the middle east . What you believe as a jew or christian doesn''t sound quite convincing to the ears of the many many people who do not believe in your faith.

hans

11/16/2008 11:05 PM

58 .

Blind leaders

Our leaders, and the leaders of the world, are blinded to the truth concerning Israel and her God given land. They, and most of the people of this world, could care less about the fate of the Jew. People are allowed to be blind because of their own sin, and the sin of the nations. It does not matter if you are Bush, Obama, Putin, or anyone else, yor are inviting the wrath of Almighty God when you turn against the one and onlly country that which He himself established. May God bless Israel.

Albert Mason

11/16/2008 10:56 PM

59 .

Below comment is from Ben from Texas

11/16/2008 10:34 PM

60 .

The Saudi plan is a plan of stupidity,it will just get the

people that hate the Jews closer to attack Israel,look what happened when the palestians got gaza they let hamas take over,now they fire rockets and the un wants to give the enemy food and fuel,insanity!Giving them Gaza didn''t make peace it made it worse!,giving up.the golan heights ,half of Jerusalem,Samaria ,Judea,or some call them the west bank,WILL NOT BRING PEACE!It''s hard to believe that most world leaders think the palestinans will just lay down their weapons and want peace,they only want the destruction of Israel ,,Vote for Netanyahu ISRAEL or your in serious trouble,Obama is no friend of Israel..

Ben from Israel

11/16/2008 10:31 PM

61 .

to cowardly no name...we are not all the same on here.

Mr. Obama needs support. He IS the new president. And don''t underestimate Sarah Palin. Don''t underestimate or demean any woman.

Some of us belong to the only One Who can do anything about anyone...the Lord God of Israel.

Sterotyping shouldn''t be done, or you will fall into a catagory, yourself.

BKN

11/16/2008 9:39 PM

62 .

Hans..there shouldn''t be hatred, but consider this..

The radical Islamic groups want to obliterate the Jewish state altogether.

What you call "their rights" will be to accomplish the "hatred" between "half brothers". The sons of Ishmael want to end the sons of Isaac. I don''t call that peace.

And this isn''t just a concept on the part of some, it is something THEY HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED to Israel and the World.

BKN

11/16/2008 9:35 PM

63 .

Americas fate and Jerusalem

By giving away Judea,Sameria and Jerusalem Obama will bring on the US the wrath of G-d. Pray for Netanyahu

Sheelah

11/16/2008 9:27 PM

64 .

Obama to be sworn in on Koran

Watch the bible used on Jan 20,2009

Then know that it is not a Dem who is doing this but Ishmael''s seed.

friend

11/16/2008 9:24 PM

65 .

It''s about whose in place for the END

As this is the last days and those who play the part will. America will go against Israel for God said ALL nations will come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:2 Who is in office whether a Dem or Reblic will not be the issue God assures us.

It''s not about a Dem or Reblic

11/16/2008 9:22 PM

66 .

kh, 11/16/2008 5:15 PM / 5:25 PM

I am in totally agreement with all what you have said !

Melody

11/16/2008 8:17 PM

67 .

MORE FAKE OBAMA "TREACHERY"

This is a least the 10th time I''ve read an article in this rag that has Obama selling out Israel. Let''s let at some realities. Apart from the fact that you invariably cite unnamed sources or what "advisors" allegedly told the "Times of London," one of the most ant-Israel newpapers in the world, it simply makes no political sense for Obama to do this as he starts his presidency.
He''s staring into a recession with the potential to become a Depression he''s got two wars to deal with, including Iraq where he will get conflicting advice and Afghanistan where his own loyalists don''t like the sound of his rhetoric. Then there''s the health care mess. I could go on and on. The point is that he''s in no position to risk political capital on a Middle East peace deal the most illusive of prospects and endanger all his other political priorities by losing support among Jews (still critical to the Dems in dollars and influence) as well as creating a resurgence of Evangelical political activism. The fact

svetistephen

11/16/2008 7:18 PM

68 .

OH...ISRAEL...like a hen that gathers her chicks

why won''t you believe? So you don''t want to Believe The BOOK, MY BOOK! I say The LORD of Israel, will give you a book that you will believe the Quaren,...then I say, The LORD G-D of Israel will smight ALL the Nations that come against MY People and MY LAND Israel, then I WILL DESTROY Islam!!! I AM The LORD Your G-D, there is NO OTHER!!! The people perish because of the lack of knowlege and decernment. I''m Comming Back...The Son of David...Yeshua. My KINGDOM COME, MY WILL BE DONE!!!

Gloria

11/16/2008 6:44 PM

69 .

surprised

It is by coincidene that I landed on this site. I must say that I''m really surprised by the amount of hatered propagated by those who think they are pro-israel but in fact are anti-israel. I''m sure your are not representating the israeli people, who love to live in peace, and are prepared to pay the necessary price for it: give the palestenians their rights back.

hans

11/16/2008 6:06 PM

70 .

Bibi knows the score!

Absolutely kh!
The mindset of miitant Islam is to annihilate Israel ...
Therefore NO appeasment tactics willl ever work .
Relinquishing Israeli territory to the Arabs will serve only to further jeopardise Israel''s security.
I agree RM & Cy ...
Bring back BIBI!
he knows the score re the terrorists'' agenda.

Kristin

11/16/2008 5:38 PM

71 .

hans, its a one way street. When I tried to go

saudi arabia, I couldn''t go because I carried a Bible in my back pack. They can go anywhere but, Jews and Christians stay out. Right, that is really fair? God Bless Jews and Christians everywhere.

BENFOX

11/16/2008 5:29 PM

72 .

B.H. obama

Obama shows his ignorance of the situation.
There is no way Israel should sign on to these proposals.
Giving away the Golan is tantamount to suicide.
If Israel adopts this plan it would only once again return and fight the same battles over again.
History has shown that no matter what Israel gives up, short of its sovereignty and right to exist as a nation, will not be enough.
You cannot make "peace" with a people group whose desire is to remove you from the face of the earth.

11/16/2008 5:25 PM

73 .

Obama et al will be on a collision course with The Almighty

May God grant Israel the right Leadership at such a crucial time.
It is time to Bring in Bibi Netanyahu

What is decreed will BE and our prayers for the welfare of God''s Land and His People are a part of that.
Obama et al will find themselves on a coliison course with The Almighty in seeking to divide His Land.
God has made Jerusalem a cup of reeling... so that
All who meddle with Jerusalem''s status as the eternal and indivisble capital of the Jewish People will injure themselves!

11/16/2008 5:23 PM

74 .

hans

Hans
For the most part Philip is correct.
The land Israel now is in belongs to them.
The "palistias" have no claim to it.
You should check out your history.
The extremism is propagated by the pali''s and people like youself who have no sense of the history, but instead choose to believe the lies and propaganda of the arab''s, the bbc, and the left wing nut jobs in the U.S.
All of their arguments are easily defeated with a little logic, history and doing a little research own your own.
But, I know you and your ilk aren''t interested in TRUTH.

11/16/2008 5:15 PM

75 .

Beware....

Rev. 16:13...And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of THE FALSE PROPHET.

I firmly believe that Obama is the false prophet. Israel! Don''t be misguided by this man! Lord, please come soon!

Mary Clendenin USA

11/16/2008 5:13 PM

76 .

Beware....

Mary Clendenin USA

11/16/2008 5:12 PM

77 .

To Philip

Philip, it is that kind of extremism you propagate that will end the dream of the jewish people. Hamas can learn a lot from you...

hans

11/16/2008 4:51 PM

78 .

THE PROGRAM OF GOD WILL PREVAIL

Think what you want project what you want plan whatever you desire say whatever you want concerning Israel, the Jewish people, the Holy Land and the capital undivided City of Jerusalem.However, remember that the program of God is going to be fulfilled 100%.Try to divide Jerusalem until you understand what now is hidden unto your eyes.

Timoteo

11/16/2008 4:48 PM

79 .

lebanon D Day

whene we can realize the truth that we must act now edificating a world without fear or threat ???

issam ghallab

11/16/2008 4:43 PM

80 .

So called

I lived in Israel before the fence when buses and restaurants were being blown up by the "so called Palestinians".I saw up front and personal why the are called "so called" . There are Israeli Arabs that are citizens and live peaceable there with us. The "so called Palestinians" need to go home!

Greg

11/16/2008 4:41 PM

81 .

Pretty soon, Frank in Israel...can you feel the momentum?

Almost breathtaking.

BKN

11/16/2008 4:39 PM

82 .

Palestinians Have No Rights

The Palestinians have no rights to the land that they want for nothing. I''m not a Jew, but I do know history. The Jews were in that territory thousands of years before the Muslims, the followers of the false prophet, paedophile, child molester Muhammad.
Don''t be surprised if Barrack Hussein Obama turns out to be as ruthless as Adolph Hitler. Obama is heartless. Three times Obama voted for infanticide, and many of his followers are just as ruthless, uncaring. And Obama did it without qualms.

Philip Saenz

11/16/2008 4:38 PM

83 .

To Hans

They have their rights to go live among their own...the Arabs. The only problem is that the other Arab countries won''t take them. Look at Jordan and Saudi Arabia. There is more room there then they know what to do with.
But NOOOOOO! They have to kill innocent Israelis to get a part of the Jewish Homeland

Frank in Israel

11/16/2008 4:36 PM

84 .

When!!!!!!??????

When will all the leaders of this crazy world realize that the PA will always have DEMANDS? Nothing will ever make them happy, except for all the Jews to be out of their Jewish homeland. Even then I think they would find someone else to DEMAND something from. When Lord When?

Frank in Israel

11/16/2008 4:32 PM

85 .

AMEN BKN

FRANK

11/16/2008 4:24 PM

86 .

Obama said

Israel would be crazy to not accept the Saudi plan! WOW, God said they will suffer greatly if they do. His land is not to be divided period!
There is a passage in Isaiah that I often think might apply to Saudi Arabia:
"For it is the day of the LORD''s vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day: its smoke shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste: none shall pass through it forever and ever." (Is 34:9,10)
Remember when Saddam set the oil wells on fire and how the smoke went up? When God sets Saudi Arabia on fire as a memorial and warning it will be something to behold. Read the whole chapter and see what God has to say about the nations!
If Obama succeeds look up cause we are going home!
God bless my brothers and sisters in Christ and God bless Israel

FRANK

11/16/2008 4:20 PM

87 .

Greg, right on

I agree: if Obama is not THE Antichrist he certainly is a TYPE of antichrist. For there are many antichrists in the world and always have been. Hitler, for instance. He too was elected during and because of a bad economy, when the German people decided to sacrifice morals for promises of a better economy. A godless people relying on man rather than on God. That describes Germany then and America now.

11/16/2008 4:17 PM

88 .

Long live Netanyahu!

"Obama''s advisors said that he privately told the Palestinians that Israel would be "crazy" not to accept the Saudi plan, which offers ...(all of Israel).."

Uh, ISRAEL WOULD BE CRAZY *TO* ACCEPT THE PLAN! TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY CRAZY.

11/16/2008 4:10 PM

89 .

Sorry, Hans...we aren''t yet where the lamb...

..can lay down with the lions.

When something eyes you as "dinner" you don''t invite them to tea.

BKN

11/16/2008 4:10 PM

90 .

End of days

The false messiah brings a temporary peace ,the real Messiah brings real peace to Israel. I heard the term ''one world government" on Fox News this morning . "it is what is needed to solve the economic problems " Don''t drink the cool aid! This guy is scary. If hes not the one ,he is a "type" of the one.
Blessings Greg

Greg

11/16/2008 4:04 PM

91 .

so called

why do you use expressions like '' so-called plestinian refugees''. Are they not refugees then? Israel should be aware that its existence is not guaranteed as long as they don''t adopt the saudi initiative. Don''t you have hunger to the situation in which you, as an israeli, can walk in the streets of jeddah? and that a saudi can visit Tel aviv? please free yoursefl from dogmatic thinkings, and give the palestenians their rights bakc.

hans

11/16/2008 3:57 PM