his trinitarian believes.

dec 2 issue, many posts called ''Yaweh''. I think it will help you understand.

who told that we are one in Him and in God. I am one with them. Get it? We are all one. John 17:21. I do not know about you but? That is your problem.
Repent and believe that God will be merciful to you and that you may be one with God and Son of God as well.

You refuse to accept God''s Word that He & Jesus are one and the same. You walk in the stubborness of your own heart, believing scriptures you like and denying those you don''t like. There''s no logic in denying Holy Scripture, yet you do it.
No point in arguing with you any longer, either.

Hooked to untrue and unbiblical teaching. You swallowed hook line and sinker. Interesting number 3. The truth has evaded you. If you only listen to Jahshua then you would see it but you will not. John 17:3

God over all (including Jahshua Messiah, 1 Cor.11:13 Eph.4:6 1 Cor.15:28.......) He rules eternity.

We know it''s there! If it were well hidden, just as a fish gets hooked because he doesn''t know the hook is there, we would get hooked, and guess what??? WE DON''T!!

''cause we know the TRUTH,

You can know the truth too, and it will set you free!!

so nobody can bite it.

""God is good: only by faith in His Son we are saved, AND NOTHING ELSE. AMEN.""" Amen brother. Only by faith in God and in His Son we are saved for our relationship is with both 1 John 1:3
As for thrones I would like to challenge you all, all trinitarians. Where is the third throne? Anywhere in the Bible? Please show me one throne for Holy Spirit who is according to you separate entity as co-equal co-existent and co-eternal person of God=God The Holy Spirit. Is that what you believe? Heresy friends, heresy.

with your trinity(?) there is the throne of ''judgement'' (just means: ''descision'' so that can also mean positive: for the believer)
a). the - by Benfox mentioned- great white throne (Rev20 11), after the 1000 years of reign), for the dead, by what they HAVE done, ''their whole way of feelingand acting, their aims...'' (without Christ) Ampl.

b). The throne of God - and the believers are ''judged'' see above, indeed what you mentioned 3:21, and 14:5...

(and even thrones 20:4, IN the 1000 years of reign, and 24 thrones of the elder,).

But that''s what I think it is scriptural. In fact -my reason is to react- it is all about what Benfox said that -my words - if you don''t have insight of the Trinity... that your destiny is hell. But [[ -HOWEVER THIS IS TRUE! about the trinity!!! -]] I really DON''T believe then you''re judged among ''the dead'' (Rev.20:11-15). NOOOOO! God is good: only by faith in His Son we are saved, AND NOTHING ELSE. AMEN.

Some of you know exactly what I mean.

Ben-Fox, I agree with you that Obama is the forerunner of the Anti-Christ. My point is that George Bush and Obama are wolves in sheeps clothing.

Israel can trust no present leader from the USA. That is tragic. Obama will be much worse than Bush but Bush and Rice have been lying about their love of Israel.

Rev.3:21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Where is the third throne friends? O yes the overcomer is the part of trinity. John 17:21

If you don''''t know God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, then your resurrection is to the White Throne Judgement... also I think you do not discern the TWO thrones.... one for believers and one for the unbelievers?

And: of course it is 100% true< there IS tjhis Holy Trinity, Amen brother.

Son. He is the one who alone can reconsile us to God for He is The way to God. We are to believe in God and in His Son John 17:3 Anything more then this is from devil who is confusing many. Even the elect are deceived with lies. 1John 4:15

and God the Holy Spirit, then your resurrection is to the White Throne Judgement, because these Three are One. That resurrection is for heratic''s and unbelievers.

the resurection in which is a hope for us all.

Even The Son said "If you love me you will keep my commandments". If you love God then you will listen to His Son who said that on those two commandments hang all the Law and prophets. Matt.22:40. 1-4 Love for God. 5-10 Love for your neighbour-brother.

And a great slaughter is coming
2/3 of Gods little children will be put to rest. Then raised up on the trumpet.
Praise the Lord, all ye nations, the King Jesus is coming in his wrath.

"the" the definante article before The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, says that these Three are separate persons, not separate Gods but, we know from 1 John 5:7 that these Three are also One. God Bless

OUR GOD IS INDEED TRIUNE! ONE IN UNITY (ECHAD)!

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or IN RESPECT OF AN HOLYDAY, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

Col. 2:16

Spirit, these Three are One 1John 5:7. God Bless Those in Christ and God Bless Gods people the Jews.

the world echad for 1? That is the word used for one in this verse? You and I know why? because it is a compound plural and it doesn''t fit your religion to admit it? Oh well, you can try to change it all you want but, God knows.

all the muslims on this site love him,I think he''s a piece of Texas cow pie,how could he get in office?how could obama get in office?I quit trying to figure these people out,comming off electing these,liberals,that only care about themselves,,Olmert should be tared and feathered and sent to Iran where his loyalities are.

"" have other sheep that don''t belong to this fold. I must lead these also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock and one shepherd."" John 10:16 All to th glory of God JAHVEH Almighty our Father.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: JAHVEH is our Elohim, JAHVEH is one:
(not three)
6:5 And thou shalt love thy Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And this was exactly what Christ told toa lawyer of that time:
Matthew 22:36 - Rabbi, which is the great commandment in the law?:37 - YAHSHUA said unto him, Thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

is masculine gender PLURAL, meaning more that one part of God, ie: BLESSED TRINITY
.....and God said let US make man in OUR image
I could go on, and on, and on, and on, but I won''t. If you cant get it from this, then you AIN''T GONNA GET IT.

unto all generations.
Exodus 3:15 And JAHVEH Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of JAHVEH thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days JAHVEH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore JAHVEH blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which JAHVEH thy Elohim giveth thee.

or is Olmert a muslim wrapped in a out of touch senial ignorant old man wrapper, geez if i didn''t know scripture i would believe he is the Antichrist, what the, is he thinking, Assad cannot be trusted, but neither can bush for that matter, why can''t Israel vote no confidence!!!!!!!

East Jerusalem,Sameria,Judea,or the west bank and he calles Olmert Foolish,,Would Bush give up his ranch for peace,NO.

Magend would be welcome,we could practice our shooting skills!Ha HA I''m a law abiding citizen,never been arrested,IN my past I have broken the law,but when I found Jesus,he set me free from the bondage of Law breaking.I''m not a radical,I live free and will die free.God Bless the USA.Israel

my children when they are DISobedient.''
(according to the OT law.

meditate! Anyway- I seldom read your opinions, because I don''t want to rent space in my mind, for your many negative thoughts of an angry, judging, condemning hate- G-d, BUT the SAME God, of a better covenant I like to meditate upon: God''s wrath HAS been COMPLETELY laid on Jeshua, -because ''without blood -no forgiveness (Hebr7:22, 8:6,12, Ch9 and 10...). I love you, and this God DOES!!

(for EVERYBODY ON EARTH much too) high standard of the law, okay. You will be judged by this standard... YOU CHOOSE.
Thank God that I''m made free of the law. I don''t have to kill my children when they are obedient. If I grab some sticks on the shabath, I don''t get killed, praise God! Jeshua did it all for me, He became a curse -instead opf me. There is ONLY ONE Mediator between God and man (not Moses anymore, or Abraham), but Jeshua, 1Tim2:5. (of the Word of God, not other man-made scriptures). Hallelujah!

Unfortunately, Olmert is not going away quietly yet, Not with his latest plans to release a gang of terroists for the second time!!
This, astonishing decision is being made in the wake of the attack on Jews in India.
And the people of Israel?
What is their reaction??
I wait to see.

(all those living in his head, that is)
It was called ''One Flew Over the Cuckoo''s Nest'' I think Jaroslav was in there, too.

.....looked it up in a baby name book!!

Just awoke - time difference and all that ! To answer your question, Magend is a good ole southern boy - a real rootin-tootin-shooting Georgian ! I reckon Jaroslav is from the OTHER Georgia, I also think that he could be a KGB operative - so do not tell him where Ben from Texas`bus is buried, it could turn out to be like the last stand of the James`gang ! God bless Benfox and Israel !!

Restored Holy Name KJVB
Exodus 20
20:1 And Elohim spake all these words, saying,
20:2 I am JAHVEH thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I JAHVEH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of JAHVEH thy Elohim in vain for JAHVEH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is t

in his term in office.

God bless Pres. Bush

was made to speak to Baalam and cause him to speak blessings over Israel instead of cursings.

Maybe Mr Bush is being used in like manner.

One can hope and pray.

other side'' -I like that name.

AND THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE! Jew is the ENGLISH translation of the Hebrew word YEHUDA, or Judah. Yehudim=JEWS (pl.)

Jew, Israelite are words used interchangeably in SCRIPTURE. Any true Bible Scholar would know this. The non-bible scholar (ari) of 4:52 and 4:55 AM is an ignorant liar and we have encountered his lies before. His father satan is the father of LIES!!!

In BIBLICAL times Golan was referred to as BASHAN! In Josh. 13:29-31 Moses alloted this LAND to the half-tribe of Manasseh! Israel MUST NOT give any of their GOD-GIVEN LAND to their ENEMIES! Giving away Israel''s STRATEGIC HIGH GROUND will only invite attacks from Syria. Syria will once again use this vantage point fire artillery, mortars and missiles into BEAUTIFUL GALILEE! REMEMBER GAZA!!!!

God Bless Israel!!!!!!!!!

My bus will be buried before the end of this year,with a airtight wood stove,might get 3 or 4 bunk beds in there if war breaks out..like Benfox said hope we get Raptured instead!If it does hit the fan I''m making my stand here and will need help planting garden,hunting game and fish,will also need defenders,ha ha hope it doesn''t come to that but you never can tell,an emp attack will shut everything down,Benfox is coming to visit a few days so he will know where to come if the need arises.remember what Joseph did they stored up food for lean days ahead,gather while the harvest is good and save,get out of debt,if possible.Also my brother in law knows where two more school busses are in louisiana,150 miles away,I drove mine here in 4 hrs,the other two buses can be bought for a total of 1,ooo,I think they both run,a temporary tag can be bought for 20 dollars to transport them to Texas.I can just imagine,Benfox,Hodges,magend,Jim Borgue,in a bus full of bunk beds,I don''t think anybody would get any sleep,ha ha

I must agree with President Bush how can he give-away the land without something concrete in return? How can one believe anything Assad would say. A terrorist.
Quit giving away land that was deeded to Israel by the Lord-God, forever!

crack me up and yes a double decker would be nice. God Bless both You, Your brother magend and the rest of your clan. Didn''t get to the home of the Beatles when I was in the UK and which Georgia, the US or the break away republic? Again, God Bless

I''m here, just tired and will be posting a bit less as I try to hit the BOOKS a bit more...

But don''t worry - I''ll be looking out and you can be assured that I''ll be jumping in from time to time - I can only take so much from the "Peanut Galary" - which is usually about 1 Comment...
Blessings to you all (Benfox, Hodge, Jim, Carol, Joyce (Both), Frank (Both), Bert, Ernie, and everyone else - you know who you are, to many to name - Brothers and Sisters of the S-WORD!!!)
Shalom and Se''lah
And ALL my LOVE to you all!!!

The story goes like this...... Magend and I were seperated at birth,because he was the best looking,he was sent to live in Geogia and I,as a punishment was sent to Wales (UK). I would like to correspond with everyone at this site in Gods` own language - Welsh - but had to stop when Magend cracked the code ! Now he speaks better Welsh than me !!! God bless Benfox and Israel !!

and a half the other night, great guy and I''m sure he would welcome our brother magend. I wonder how many people that bus will hold, like to see Jim B. there also, maybe we can get two buses? Would they be condo-buses or bunker-buses? I''m a little new, where do you and magend live, what country is what I meant? I''m sure the bunch of us would have a lot of laughs and a lot of stories to tell. God Bless Friend

must be Hans and his Nazi posse ! If you contact Ben from Texas please be sure to ask him to keep a seat spare for my long-lost real brother Magend ! There will never be a dull moment ! God bless both Bens,and Israel !!

our friend Ben from Texas and I think he is about to get it buried, hope we don''t have to meet there but, if we do, I''m sure are friend will welcome us with open arms, he really is a swell person and look forward to meeting him soon if we don''t get raptured first, either way it will be a pleasure to meet you also. God Bless You and Yours

I`m asking because I might be coming to join you soon ! Hope that offer still stands ! Blessings brother, and God bless israel !!

Whats` the latest regarding Obama and the issue of his elegibility ? Surely they will find some way around this "technicality" ? The media over here have`nt mentioned this potential timebomb (no surprise there). Hope that you and your family are happy and thriving, God bless you Jim, and Israel !!

Hey Bert, yes Palin would have been a heck of a chance for true change in this nation. Too bad people look more into their pocket books than in their heart/conscience, here and in Europe! You''re up late by the way!!
Jim and Benfox, Holland has just like the US some strong conservatives. I grew up in Holland but never saw drugs, wouldn''t even know it if I smelled it, so not all Dutch have the same liberal ideas (but they are fed the same bias garbage about the US and Israel daily without knowing the ''real deal''.) True, I''m not proud of what that country stands for, but I can say the same of the US right now. People have voted because what Obama said tickled their ears and they forgot about the truth. Where is this all leading to? I think you and I know, so keep praying...G''d bless you.

to this site, your comment''s are always insightful and appricated. God Bless You and Your Family

You are correct about Holland. Obama democratically elected? SO WAS HITLER IN THE 1930''S! There was MUCH voter fraud in this past election. His Natural Born Citizenship is SUSPECT. The governor of Hawaii refuses to release his "birth certificate" even though it is a Public Record and must be released. His "church" in Chicago? Doubtful any Born Again Believer would be comfortable there! Stay Blessed and KEEP STANDING FOR THE TRUTH!

I like that! With our ''helicopter'' view - vieuw from above, Phil4:8* (how God sees it, He has the last Word) we are a very powerfull army of the living God!

* Ampl: ''For the rest, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of reverence and is honorable and seemly, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely and lovable, whatever is kind and winsome and gracious, if there is any virtue and excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think on and weigh and take account of these things [fix your minds on them]''. AMEN!

where are you friend? God Bless you Bert.

tnx! I heard about Palin 90% of all her attention in filthy media was negative. I heard she was a charismatic spirit-filled, tongtalking word based Christian?!

I HEARD -so I don''t know it is true.

Anyway, the good news is, this funny lady is ''out'' of the leftist press now.

What is he thinking. Give away Golan. No Diffinently not. If he gives away Golan which is a hight point in your country. It would be a military high point. Assad would have the advantage. He could strike where ever he wanted, and kill how many??? Are you sure he has a brain in that empty head of his. Does he want his people killed, what for revenge for voting him out of office.

I miss my friend Magend. HEEEEEEY magend!!!! WHERE ARE YOU? Maybe he''s in his library to find out smart things for us, praise God.

Now Bush is out, Obama''s in. Olmert''s out and hopefully a strong (Netanyahu?) person will stand up to defend his/her nation, if necessary even against a US president. After all, if G''d is for them, who will be against them, so who cares what the opinion of the rest of the world is?!
Sha''alu Shalom Yerushalayim!

Dik, shalom and hoi! I''m Dutch and live in the US. We just visited my family in Holland and I saw again how one-sided, pro-Democrat the press in Europe is. Of course it sounds like Obama is THE answer for the whole world. It sounds in Europe also as if Israel is another Third Reich who kills innocent muslims fighting for their freedom by blowing themselves up. Truth is, Obama is pro-(partial birth!)abortion, he even voted against medical help for babies who survive an abortion, because that would ''defeat the purpose''. Such practises are not even legal in liberal Holland! Yes, Obama was elected democratically, but let him first show us if G''d is His Guide, as Ruler of the universe Who still has a plan with the nation of Israel. Bush is right to tell Olmert, but he should never have encouraged him earlier on to give away G''d-given ground, peace-deals that mean nothing to those who seek Israel''s annihilation. Now Bush is out, Obama''s in. Olmert''s out and hopefully a strong (Netanyahu?) person will stand

holland because they wanted religious freedom that they weren''t getting there, something to be proud of I guess. I was there a few years back and your trip over drug needles everywhere and could smell the hashish coming out the doors of the cafe''s, something else to be proud of and isn''t abortion okay and homosexual s excepted there? My ancestors came from Russia and Germany in the 1800''s and I''m not real proud of either of those countries, My dad''s ancestors were Jewish from what I can find out and I''m proud of that. obama-nation isn''t sure of what he is, maybe not even a American but, one thing he is, is evil, look at what he agrees with, abortion, homosexual marriage and he is not a friend of Israel. God Bless Israel and those who love her and her people.

about Holland: if you wish Hussein O. to go to Holland, it would be the same as to wish Osama B.L to the States. No, joke,
And Gates(?), I like Steven Jobs - my man (Apple Mac: the best invention of America: God bless America).

Anyway, Dutch friends,almost all of the (American) writers have Dutch ancestors... ''It is, isn''t it?'' We brought the pioniers to The New Land, and most of the colonial civilisation haha. Even Hussein O (bama) they found out, has Dutch blood. But must we be proud of that, hm. The good news is, he tries hard to be good. The bad news, the good is always the enemy of the bad.

I do wonder which church he attends.
No ''Born Again'' church sanctions abortion, homosexual anything or anything else the is abhorant to God. The church he attended for 20 years was Muslim approved - whatever that is?!!
God bless you all.

hillary are terrible for the US, wish they lived in holland, not really, you guys have enough socialist problems. To leave Iraq at this time would be just like Viet Nam, many will die and osama is dead and no need to send more troops to afghanistan except to re-inforce those that are there and it doesn''t take moving all the troops from iraq. obama-nation was put through college by a muslim and you don''t think he feels he owe''s? obama-nation attended a racist church for 20 years that wasn''t christian and now his spiritual advisor is a lisbon preacher? he wouldn''t know the God of Israel if he spoke to him in person. ridiculous? he wants to kill babies already born, homosexual marriage and probaby not even a citizen and shouldn''t be president of anything. I changed my mind, I wish he was your leader, he fits better there then here. God Bless Israel

at least Bush spoke true words to Olmert, both leaving office soon. But those who say that Obama will sell out Golan to Syria can be wrong. He will appoint Hillary Clinton and Gates.
They will definately take a strong stand on ME and Obama will listen to them.
Moreover he stated to withdraw US troops from Iraq but would strengthen efforts in Afghanistan to defeat theTaliban. That means he definately is not so weak as many American posters on this forum loudly proclaim. Even to call him a Muslim sounds foolish to me since he attends now church in America. Being sent in his childhood to a muslimschool in Indonisia do not proof he is a Muslim now. Thinking he is a forerunnes of the AC is ridiculous. He has been democraticely been chosen and deserves respect.
Shalom from Holland

until the godless obama-nation really sells them out. I''m sure you will love obama-nations love of Israel? Not!!! President Bush was wrong about dividing Israel and who knows, maybe one of I emails got through to him, at any rate, he is right about this subject. He will be gone soon and then you get the forerunner to the anti-christ, what do you think he will do? God Bless Israel and her chosen of God.

..we can "see" the enemy approaching, and we know what is coming.

It is no wonder they stagger back and forth, because they only have their limited intellect, and past historical experience as their "calculators".

They have no business operating that way, but it helps to understand that they are unable to SEE. Knowledge is not SIGHT, and many think it is.

BUT since the Light of the World has been here for 2000 years, THERE STILL IS NO EXCUSE.

Why Israel, do you yet allow this traitorous man to manipulate your inheritance from G-D? He is supposed to be on the way out of office, and he must be stopped from dealing with the barbaric hordes across your borders. Kick hi out now!!!!
P.S. Three cheers for Bush....yes it better late than never.......

Olmert is very wrong to even consider surrendering the Heights to the Syrians. He seems to be a headless chicken ready to give land away left, right and centre and hold on a moment it is not his to give away - cheeky fellow! Its God''s land entrusted to Israel for all time! Come to think of it even the ''peace plan'' is ficticious as there will be no peace irrespective as to how much is given away. There''s only one kind of genuine peace and that''s found in God Almighty. As Scripture says ...peace, peace but there is no peace...

I have an idea, give Olmert to the Syrians.

Bush (and Rice) have been two-faced from the beginning.

has seemed majorly FOOLISH. Has Ohlmert done ANYTHING that has had any wisdom attached to it??

And i thought he had resigned, so why is he still in office, wielding power??

israel should not give away the land that god has given them, keep strong Israel stay close to the LORD he will never forsake you, HE IS A MIGHTY GOD AMEN.

Israel, please, get control of your leaders. G_d gave it to you, no one else. This makes no sense with respect to peace or security and has to be an affront to the Lord. You are the apple of His eye, no one else....you can not continue treating Him like this without repercussions.

and probably affected by negative spiritual influences.
He resembles those described in Daniel''s prophecy Ch 11 v.32 -
who will ''do wickedly against the covenant''

Giving away Golan means Eli Cohen died for nothing.
Before he was executed (hanged on the market of Damascus) Eli said to a close friend that he is glad that till his final breath he was true to his country! He was a true Israeli hero!
Shalom from Holland.

One day, Bush sells Israel out. The next day he is trying to convince everyone he is on Israel''s side. He is so two-faced along with his anti-jewish sidekick, Condi Rice.

Beware Israel! You cannot trust George Bush. He has been pushing Omert & Israel to unfairly negotiate and surrender for months to palestinian terrorists and cutthroats.. Now he is trying to act like a conservative hero. It is time for this man to leave and let Israel defend itself without USA threats. Israel must make it''s own decisions without being intimidated by anti-Israel Americans.

Long may the STAR OF DAVID wave!

as a regular visitor and supporter of israel i am horrified that olmert would concider giving away the golan.we were there 3 weeks ago looking onto syria,if this happened the gallilee would once again be at risk.pray that yahweh will intervene and stop this giveaway and all other areas of israel and stop the dividing of jerusalem.maranatha

to Israel,stop giving away your land!! God will take care of you and also your enemies will become God''s Footstool.take all the land given,this means Gaza and the Golan heights.and especially do not listen to our new president as i think he is a enemy of Israel.giving away land will not bring peace,your enemies want to see you destroyed.from a admirer in the USA
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Something positive. Olmert needs to go silently into the sunset, and leave Israel to someone who CARES.