Hello Christine: You and BKN, continue to make statements that again and again are not true or lacking any substance. That doesn''t seem to bother you in the least, nor do you even now have the decency to say you are in error.

Both of you owe Frank an apology for your slander of him, in stating he was being deceptive.

We understand Bert quite well, and the danger he presents, while we find you oblivious to any of the heretical statements made by him.

While you state below that it doesn''t bother you if Bert answers our questions or not, your post that ask us if we will gain any satisfaction out of getting the answers we ask of him shows us otherwise. You simply are unable to face the facts.

H. Hodges has stated it well of you and those who Bert has deceived by his flattery. You have swallowed everything hook, line and sinker.

Unless there is anything of substance from you in a post to me about this matter, there will be no need to respond. We continue to pray for you.

I asked Bert a straightforward question. I asked him if he had heard of the revival in Lakeland Florida with Todd Bentley and what he thought of this. I wanted to know what his oppinion of this was. Barbara jumped in and accused me of being deceptive because she knows I think this revival was a big farse, but I really wanted to know his view, so where is the deception? He was deceiving Barbara when she asked him about being in the word of faith movement and he answered "I think I don''t know about this movement "
As far as judging, I am judging his words and not him and I find them wanting! And can you please show me where I shouted crucify him!
Below where I posted mea culpa, it was not because I was deceiving, but simply because I did not see there were two posts 5:14 AM on this page!
I had let all this but must set the record straight!
God bless

David, do you for one minute think I don''t or wouldn''t ask those questions of myself? I do regularly, in all things.
Bert was expressing what he saw in the Scriptures. I understood what he was saying, you obviously didn''t.
Frank WAS being deceptive, and later admitted it.
I''m not maligning either yours or Franks character, just your behaviour in the handling of this.
I''m sure if any repentance is needed on my part, for sure, the Holy Spirit will convict me.
It doesn''t bother me in the least whether Bert answers your questions or not. God is the ultimate authority.
We obviously differ David, so I don''t see any further need to continue this discussion on this issue.
I continue to love both you and Frank in Christ.
May He bless you both.

That would have you take a look at yourself and where you have been in your stance with Bert, and others.

You had better take a look at your own questions and ask them of yourself.

You continue in you subjective ways in defending Bert even when his own words show his gross error. Not one word of rebuke was given him by you for his taunting, denouncing of some of Scripture to be not inspired by God, and his continuance in that stance, and his "stinkin thinkin."

Frank was accused of being deceitful by BKN when he was not, where were you then Christine Gill ???

Your characterization of Frank and I in posting Bert''s public postings was unwarranted, and not the truth.

The need for repentance is on those who post and support lies, heritical statements, and blatant taunting, and inciting of hate of others.

That would be you Christine Gill

And then what?
Will you take pleasure in self justification?
Will you humble yourself and repent?
Where is LOVE (Jesus) in this action?
It''s all about HIM
Not what answers YOU get.
Have you REALLY been led by God?
Have you REALLY done what''s RIGHT?
Have you even asked HIM?

Hello again Christine: I''ve posted these questions again and directed them to Bert on the "No Moderate Islam, Dutch Lawmaker" page.

Let''s see what we get for an answer.

God Bless, David

Hello Gloria: The amazing part of all this is that Frank and I used Bert''s own words and let them speak for themselves, and still it had no effect on some people.

Denial of any Book of the Bible, or any person in the Bible who wrote a Psalm or any other Book as being inspired by God is as heretical as it gets. Yet those so called, self proclaimed "spirit" led people let that go by as if it meant nothing to them. Such is their state of mind right now.

I hope I catch some of your post later on. The best advice I can give you right now is to do just what you have stated.

God Bless, David

David, you must do whatever is right, if God is directing your actions, who am I to argue.
Posing questions to Bert, through posts addressed tp me, is rather an unusual strategy. What if Bert doesn''t read MY posts, he would hardly be in a position to answer would he?
Your questions to me:
I am very well thank you.
Having considered, my answer is contained in the first paragraph.

Love in Christ and may He bless you.

Thank you for your posting facts...so we could all reread. I''ll continue to read Israel Today...and other information that we as Believers need to know. I will stop posting for a little time, until things get back in order. I have no desire to talk to people that do not have a Biblical Word view. I do however love to talk to those that do. Thank you again!

Bert in question number 2 below, I do not mean financial support of Benny Hinn''s ministry. I mean do you approve of his ministry ?

So here are the questions for Bert.

1. Bert are you a charismatic ?

2 Bert do you support the ministry of Benny Hinn ?

3. Bert is all that ha, ha, ha, stuff what some call holy laughter ?

4 Bert do you approve of the revival that was held in Toronto called the Toronto blessing ?

5. Bert do you approve of the things that happened in the Florida, Lakeland revival of Todd Bently ? Not the sad ending you refer to, but the revival in general ?

I approve of none of the above, what about you Bert ???

Let''s hope this can be a starting point to regroup and have all the facts before us about where Bert is coming from.

God Bless, David

Hello dear sister: How are you ?
Can I have you consider a few things for a moment ?

When I posted about "Conjecture or facts" I did so because you posted to Frank that he was just guessing about Bert and that wouldn''t hold up in a court of law.

Some of Bert''s post speak quite clearly for themselves, so I used them to state the facts. Our post are public, not private. When we post here, whether we like it or not, it is open to public examination. We are told to be Bereans and not gullible people believing everything being said. Your comparison of the lady in adultery and our post are not by any means the same.

I think at this point it would be helpful if Bert answered some questions about his stance on some things. I believe a refusal of him to answer will speak for itself. All of us here have been clear on what we stand for and against in what is going on in charismatic ecumenical circles. Let''s hope Bert can do the same.

Hello Gloria: Out of the mouth of babes.

Ellie is trying to put you down as just a babe without understanding who can only drink milk. In the same post she speaks of herself and others as not being babes feeding on milk.

When people speak in such a manner it certainly smacks of pride lifting itself up only to put someone else down, and brings no weight on whether what is being spoken of is true or not.

Be slow to speak and let God guide you in your post. I am not saying that you don''t do this, but find it very helpful myself to get away from what is being said for awhile and to let things in your mind be sorted out by prayer, and God''s Word.

God Bless, David

It is quite remarkable that anyone would enter into a discussion like this and then state that they haven''t read enough to be able to make some of the comments they are now making. Doesn''t Scripture warn us not to do this ?

What ever I or anyone else has posted before rest on its own merits. I can post hundreds of thing before this post and have been right about what I have said. That has no bearing on what I am now stating in this post. This post rest on it own merits, and so do those by others no matter what they have said before.

You have stated that the purpose of posting on this site is not to have discussions like these. Why are you now doing the opposite of what you preach to others ??? You certainly are not an example of what you tell others to do.

God Bless, David

Just like a Kindergarten!!!!!!
Any common sense left????
In the name of God, of course!
Childish.

Please read the post 11:57 PM.

Is that coming from a sound mind?

God bless my brothers and sisters in Christ and God bless Israel

Then Bert said:

97 . For instance, BKN - this is what Frank just again lied
about me: ''''Bert says he is building up believers by flying (mwoaaah, in your hatred eyes, yes) in the face of everyone and (1. first lie) telling them they are weak and (2. second lie) living in the Old Testament. Saying that some are in danger of being a cult.. (3. third lie) and so on. FRANK 12/9/2008 9:48 PM
LET GO AND LET GOD, BKN.

Bert, the ''''transparent and open Dutchman''''. 12/9/2008 11:42 PM

Who is the liar? Now he is trying to cover his lies by saying he didn''t remember! And if you believe that, you will believe that cows fly!

God bless Gloria and all true believers in Yeshua and God bless Israel

Bert posted back:

229 . And Frank, thank you for repeating my
words, full of grace! Only that judgemental ''''Beware'''' in front of my nice words -I see you in spirit, standing there with your finger high to all of your ''''friends''''. hahahahaha! And I see you with angry eay-brows, and grumbling... RELAX, it not what you think. If somebody says, that there is ONE other way, to come to the Father, than by Jesus, He alone!... Okay -we stand side by side to fight the battle, okay? Oneness -what our friend BKN was talking about. But much more important: where OUR Jesus! was talking about: to YOU and ME!!! His very intimate prayer, John17, ... do give us tears...
He loved, and loved and loved,... till the end.
And NOW, and for ever in eternity!

I personally did not think his word were full of grace, but provocative.

When someone is caught in a lie, he can either confess or try and cover it with another lie. This is what I posted quoting Bert:

237 . Beware (continued)
As far as being confrontational, if you can go to the "Mumbai attack reportedly target Israelis and Jews" page from Sunday 30 Nov you will see Bert being quite aggressive.
"And Benfox, I think you cannot descern anymore and let you guide by this baby in faith Frank, who-if he don''''t repent - has a cult - spirit of control...etc Bert 12/1/2008 8:36 PM
"Again, Frank and Benfox, where are you now? see my repeated questions below. Now you cannot handle this? No guts anymore? you are ashamed you was reading my words with your own STINKING THINKING? Bert 12/2/2008 2:06 AM
NO WE JUST WERE NOT GIVING IN TO HIS PROVOCATIONS.
Believe whatever you like, as for me I know in whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him until that day! And I believe that day is rapidly approaching!
God b

If you refuse to read all of G-D''s Truth and get the right understanding from those that Love The Truth, THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF G-D...you will have no Belt of Truth and the Brestplate will fall off. If you don''t Love all The Truth of G-D''s Word ...then you don''t really Love Yeshua. HIS Word remains The Same Forever...All of it!!!

You know David, periodically I''m led to ask the Lord to do whatever in me is necessary in order to make me what He wants me to be. I''ve even been known to say "knock me flat, if you have to Lord". It''s not a joking matter, because, if necessary, the Lord will do exactly that. Usually it hurts too.
So David, do whatever you feel you must. Castigate me too if you wish. I''ll still forgive you.
I choose to see it as the Lord allowing situations FOR me that are part of His process IN me. I know that by it, I will be strengthened. So, I will meet everything with Joy in Him.
I ask the Lord to bless you David and I will love you with His love.
Matthew 5:11

There are Godly people in the Book Judges,Kings, Chronicles and the Apostles Teaching expose error and hypocrites.The LORD Yeshua wants us to be expose such people. Em I critical...I sure hope so. The only time G-D gave Prophets was when HIS people were in trouble, or headed for trouble. Read Jeremiah 8 The LORD G-D tells Jeremiah to tell HIS people the jews they are stupid they were headed to Babylon. that also referes to the church today, both jew and gentile. That is The LORD G-D calling us STUPIT not me.G-D is Judging the church...and HE is using Islam to do it, to many are going into Babylon, and they don''t even know it. Read Ezekiel 33...I''m blowing a trumpet and to many have their hands over their ears!!!

Your opening line is "it seems" and that is exactly my point.
Things are not always as "they seem."
May God Bless you David.

David, I am one of the others alluded to in your post, and I would like to respond to your post.

Condemnation is a strong word, whereas pleas for fairness, and justness is more accurate.

Also a plea for some patience!
We condemn no one but have the same rights as others as to what we perceive as right, wrong or unfair.

There is no mean spirit in anything either of us has written that I can see.
Words are powerful !
We all choose which words and what purpose we use them .

As to Bert, I have not read all his past posts.
I am not a web tracker, and will read Bert''s posts for myself.
As I said time reveals all things. We will discern by the help of the Holy Spirit, what spirit is at work in Bert''s heart.
There are not two wiser, more loving Christian ladies here than Christine and BKN.

David, you are an intellectual gentleman. I respect your knowledge and understanding of many things.
But I disagree with your impatience with others.
Your openin

It seems Christine Gill, and others wants to defend Bert at any cost, and condemn anyone who would point out some of the gross errors he has posted, not to mention his taunting to provoke strife, and division.

I don''t say this lightly but Bert has been judged by his own words, not ours. To point that out about a person who has been so critical of others, is righteous judgment.

While Christine has judged us continually for our post, she has never posted any criticism of Bert, even now after seeing what he has posted before. To say that this is one sided is putting it mildly. If you want to be critical of only others and not anything Bert post, then stay out of it. You show yourself to be the hypocrite.

God Bless you Benfox and Gloria

Posts added by Christine and BKN.
Both wise and enforcing words of truth, that both convict and strengthen.
It''s all to Lift up Jesus!! He is King!

There is only one thing i might add...just about everyone who posts believes in the Bible. But to truly BELIEVE GOD is not the same.

This troubled me when I was a young believer. The difference that I saw with people, from what I read in Scripture.

I was thankful to find that the true definition of the word BELIEVE..is to TRUST IN, RELY ON, ADHERE TO Jesus Christ.

That is TOTAL INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PERSON OF GOD, not an academic agreement.

The result is far different. He IS REAL LOVE, not emotional, human imitation.

The GREATEST OF THESE is LOVE. Agape''. God''s love IN us.

And as you usually do, have cut to the heart of the matter. I agree with you,''let the main thing, be the main thing''.
Thank you for sharing the quotes you have, from that excellent article.
If I may, I''d like to add to your already insightful posts with the last paragraph from the article. Not because you haven''t said it all Ellie, but because it reinforces.
''Without the darkness and anguish of Gethsemane, there is no heavenly light and bliss. Just as at that time the disciples were to watch and pray with Yeshua, the ''King of the Jews,'' so today Christians should watch and pray for the ''Jews of the King.''
May ALL be ''strengthened'' in the Lord to continue on the course set before us.

While reading this article, I thought about all the comments, and the unpleasantness that takes away from the reason for being here.
I read also in this article that perhaps only a fourth of Christians are chosen by God to carry this burden. (of praying for Israel).
Well, if I am chosen to pray and support Israel, I feel humbled before God, and will try to stay on course.
I would urge all who love Israel to try and do likewise, because you have been chosen to be a blessing.
So let the main thing, be the main thing!

From same article:
" We want Israel to take up weapons or the US to defend Israel with its military might.
No, our task is simply to pray for Israel and to stand guard in solidarity, just as Aaron and Hur held up Moses tired arms so Israel could be victorious. (Ex:17:12)"
and::
" It is now up to Bible believing Christians to stand with Israel for this is the "power and hour of Darkness" ( Luke 22:53), just as it was when Yeshua was arrested. "
"Even as fear gripped the disciples so Israel''s closest friends are falling away.
Peter, the chosen one, only followed Yeshua from a distance. The "beloved" disciple John left his robe behind and fled naked.
Will the friends of Israel do the same when times get rough?"

Reading my current "Israel Today" magazine, and as usual find excellent articles by Ludwig Schneider. Under the topic "Israel and Gethsemane" are some very insightful words. But this paragraph caught my heart."

" Israel too will find itself in a situation that the people will be deeply grieved to the point of death, (as Jesus was when he prayed) and they will plead not to be left to face the situation alone.
However, relieving Israel''s isolation is not the responsibility of the US or EU: it is the calling of those Christians assigned by God to this task.
More:"

But I have to agree with C. Gill, and BKN.
Their hearts are true to the Word of God.
And they are not Babes in Christ, feeding on milk.
Neither am I.
Gloria that is especially for you to understand.
Your comments " so you are saying " regarding your 8:32 post to BKN is an example of you trying to correct everyone, not because they are wrong, but because you misinterpret and twist their words!
I won''t respond to any of your posts Gloria for that reason.

As to Bert, I will continue to read his posts, unless I see something false.

Tiime has a way of sorting out all things, and I am content to wait.
None of us hides anything from the Lord. He discerns ALL our hearts, and He alone is the just judge.

It is to His Knee all of us will bow, so l be careful in judging, lest you bring judgement on your own heads.

If I, being a believer in the Whole Bible can be confused what a believer says...can you think of what we sometimes do to UNbelievers...OH-MY

You are deceived Benfox. Go to The Word of God and find the truth.

Those of not Israeli origin grafted into Israeli body of Christ(those who believed in Messiah) trough Christ are true Israel. Unbelieving Israelite is nothing. Big 0. As good as unbelieving pagan.

When anything is written on here, it is impossible to write EVERYTHING.

I NEVER EVEN HEARD of replacement theology until I started reading the posts on Israel Today.

I say of the old testament people that because of their faith, it was attributed to them as righteousness.

Jesus set them free, also, at the time of the Cross.

So are you saying that the people in the OT that Believed my Faith in the Blood Atonment were not saved BKN? I hope not...that would mean you don''t believe there were OT Saints...Wrong. You sound like someone that thinks the church has replaced Israel.

Why do you ladies continue to talk to the snakes...and defend them? Pray for them BUT stop talking to them. They got you agreeing with them, this is NUTS!

I was not talking about you, I was telling what Yeshua said...about Pharisees...your NOT a deceiver BENFOX!!!

Carol, and also
after that: FRANK ''''to Jim Borge, BENFOX and ALL'''' 6.19: THIS really stinks as a brother in Christ -but he does not (like Benfox) (want) to answer and clear that for us ... AND FOR ALL -that''''s the audiance NOW OF FRANK!!!:

Jim Borge, BENFOX and all
Shalom dear brothers in Christ,
Be carefull! Jaroslav disappeared and Bert came on the scene. Perhaps only a coincidence, but after reading his views on the Koran it posed some serious questions. I had the thought the other day and now my suspisions are a bit stronger. I agree Ben there is absolutely no good in the Koran and only the Bible should be used when witnessing for it is God''''''''s word that the Holy Spirit will use to convict of sin and righteousness.
God bless you and God bless Israel

Bert ,last one 12/3/2008 5:57 PM

The scripture quoted was Romans 2:1-9
In the line ''those practicing such things, and doing the same (things),
I inadvertantly added the word (things). I apologise.

..BEFORE sin was attoned for.

Before the Cross.

Sin had not yet been paid for with His blood.

There is no need to stir the pot. Look to your own heart

They are so perfect that if Christ asked them "who is without sin..." they surely would stone the man.

I know how you love the Lord. Please take in love what I write to you.
" The wise woman builds her house, but the foolish pulls it down with her hands".
Think carefully Gloria

Love in Christ

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honour and immortality but to those who are self seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on everysoul of man, who does evil''.

and you counsel that I should join you in this? I think not. I choose to follow my Lord and be guided by His voice.
I would have the same for you. Please think, before you commit yourselves further.
Love in Christ Jesus

As written, I do bless David E. Kaus and Frank as they are both my brother in Christ. Hope that is what you meant and if not, God Bless you anyhow. In Christ I love and bless all who love my Lord and Savior.

As written, I do bless David E. Kaus and Frank as they are both my brother in Christ. Hope that is what you meant and if not, God Bless you anyhow. In Christ I love and bless all who love my Lord and Savior.

You expose what you perceive to be a man''s SINS and hold them up for all to see. Then you cry ''CRUCIFY'' to the crowd. Are you seeing this picture? I truly hope so.
Hear this in love.
''Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself for you who judge practice the same things. But we know the judgement of God is according to truth against those who practice such things, and doing the same things, that you will escape the judgement of God? or do you despise the richess of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourselves wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgement of God, who "will render to each one according to his deeds": eternal life to thosewho by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honour, and immortality but to those who are

I have decided Bert isn''t worth the tijme or effort to point out his ungodyly comments, he is a deciever, a liar and so far out that a bolt of lightening couldn''t wake him up to the truth. he can rant and rave until he and his followers are smelling of smoke but, that is his problem not those who truly know the scriptures. God Bless David and those who know Jesus.

The LORD Yeshua said:Luke 32"Go ye, and tell that fox G-D Bless you David E Kaus and Frank

Bert''s own words would hold up very well against him. Hmmmm !!!

Bert to Carol 12/2/08 2:10 p.m. And my dear Carol Here Bert claims that Carol called him a pharisee and that he can handle it, "no problem." It shouldn''t be a problem, Bert like to judge others (Bert wouldn''t do that would he) as"sanhedrin."

By the way, Bert calls this "mature talk." 12/2/08 2:10 p.m.

Bert has used many aliases, and has bragged about others trying to figure out which ones were him. He supposedly apologized for this, and we were told that that should have been the end of it. Wrong. Many did not realize that Bert used aliases and needed to be alerted to that fact. Some even denied that he did this not even knowing what they were talking about. Isn''t that magnificent ??? People who read those post of Bert''s under another name had every right to know who it was who posted them.

Bert 12/2/08 2:06 a.m. "Again Frank, and Benfox, where ae you now ? "See my repeated questions before. Now you cannot handle this ? No guts any more ? You are ashamed you was reading my words with your own stinking thinking ?" You are what you think in your heart Prov 23:7 KJV

Note: What would we say Bert has here in his heart Christine ? If Bert isn''t taunting, and inciting others to hate and stirring up strife, then just what is he doing ? Remember your quoting of Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strife, but love covereth all sins. Why didn''t we hear this Scripture from you on this post from Bert ?

Why

Bert to Frank 12/1/08 8:25 p.m.
"Be renewed man and stop to bring your stinking - thinking un christ like insinuation until born again."

Note: Let''s give Bert his own advice here. "Dump your dirt somewhere else please.: (12/1/08 8:25 p.m.

Bert goes on to say "AND READ in the spirit in truth with love.

Note: no doubt this is the "love: Bert has just shown in his post. How do you spell hypocrite Bert ?

Bert to BenFox 12/1/08 8:36 p.m. "And Benfox, I think you can not descrn (sic) anymore and let you guide by this baby in faith Frank. Who if you don''t repent - has a cult spirit of control, a hate mind set between believers.

Note : Why Bert, you could take Frank''s name out and put yours in the above statement. It fits quite well.

Dear sister,
It is not a witch hunt I am conducting, but exposing this mans lies and I will continue to oppose lies and deception. You should be doing the same and not defending it. I do not hate Bert, but I do hate his deception, lies and false teaching and will continue to expose that for all to see and judge for themselves.
God bless you in Christ

Bert on the same page as below, claims that Paul used Greek authors to preach the Gospel. Paul quoted Greek authors in condeming Cretians as slow bellied beast and not in promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul turned people away from the goddess Diana (Acts 19:26,27), so much that Demetrius, the silver smith, sought to kill him because his craft was in danger of going out of business (making silver shrines for Deana), and the temple of Deana despised because of Paul''s preaching.

Bert states on the "Mumbai attacks Israeli and Jews," page that the koran can be used as common ground to teach about Jesus Christ. The koran denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, and therefore the Jesus in the koran is a type of anti-christ, the Mahdi that the muslims are now looking for.

The following is on the same page as above:

Bert 11/30/08 10:51 p.m.
"I mean Frank, I seek common ground e.g. the koran has much good to say about Jesus. Let the traditions of Islam reveal Christ."

Note: The koran''s traditions reveal anti christ, and not Emanuel, God with us.

What a "pair for deceit" of Israel.

"Oh, What a tangled web we weave,
when "we" practice to deceive".

Israel became a sovereign nation [at great sacrifice of many good Jewish statesmen] in May, 1948. Today, a few greedy mongrels [TRAITORS]are working to sell Israel to her enemies.

And then, there are "the BUSH-BLAIR Team", "trumpeters [a former drunk, and a former "git-tar picker"]of erroneous political policies" that will adversely affect Israel. Israeli''s had better start electing men/women who will turn aside the influence of outsiders like the UN, US, EU, Russia! "Survival" is ALL-ABOUT "choosing the right people", for leaders [and/or], friends!

For everyone. All. The whole EARTH.

If you have no idea what is quoted.

Otherwise, those who have the Spirit of God, know what comes from Him.

Spiritually the adultress is a picture of you and me. There we are exposed in all our sin as we stand naked before the eyes of Holy God, the rock that is Christ. The religious crowd addressed Jesus as "Master" meaning teacher, but the woman called Jesus Lord, recognising that he was the one who was supreme in authority. She had fallen on the rock and was broken in repentance, but upon her accusers the rock had fallen and they were crushed to powder.

Not in this way. When the woman accused of adultery stood in front of Jesus with those around her ready to cast their stones, what did Jesus say, "let those of you without sin cast the first stone". Nothing has been proven against this man Bert. If you stood in a court of law, it would be conjecture. Think on it Frank, take a step back. What would Jesus Do?
Gal 5:22-26
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ''s have crucified the flesh with it''s passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Call off the witch hunt.

you do it unto Me.

"I have always spoken openly to the world and I have spoken nothing secretly. Why do you ask Me? Ask those who have heard what I said to them, See! They know what I said.

But when He said this, one of the attendants who stood by struck Jesus saying, Is that how You answer the high priest?

"If I have spoken abusively, if there was evil in what I said, tell what was wrong with it.

But if I spoke rightly and properly, why do you strike Me?"

Continue doing what you think is correct.

I walk and communicate with my Lord, Jesus Christ. Voice, not audible to the ear, but to my spirit, from His Spirit.

for you: hahahahahahahahahahahaha! In Dutch: hahahahaha (a bit more modest, calvinistic). Did that hurt you? IT IS YOUR stinking tinking. Your hurt, wounded, childish, heart. Ask Jesus to heal you, BUT CHOOSE otherwise He will not deliver you. And you ''judge fleh to flesh'', what is in YOUR heart'', you DO the same (Rm2:2), ''where your ''treasure'' (!???) is - is your heart''.

So, I stop giving you attention anymore.
(I said you already before). Have nice Christmas days: yohohohohho. I still love you, in the loving Name of Jesus Christ.

but do you want to forgive me, that I did not remember?

By the way, I could have said that: and you proved it after tHAT MORE AND MORE. POOR, LONELY HATER.

I HOPE now, you are a ''baby-christian'', better than a not-christian or an anti-christ? God knows IF you have Life of Christ, with all this hatred and destruction in you, which can only come from hell... But you can check everything very carefully, big boy, you can ask to work for the Mossad? Or the Sanhedrin? Maybe in France they are looking for somebody for the Anti-Gospel Police? And if you have time, can you check all the hatred, filthy words and curses of yourself, Frank? Do it for yourself, NOBODY is interested in your hate-mail, if you think and hope maybe.

Okay, about me? I (me, Bert) NEVER spoke out things directly out of hell in teh IsrToday, even not to maybe a nazi or moslimist... what YOU did regurlarly, many time to me!? Check that out, ... and compare (you like to compare). God is good, He still loves you! Oyeah, speci

There are two 5:14 AM one on the 12th and one on the 13th. The first is from Ben from Texas and second from BENFOX. Didn''t see the second one, but doesn''t change the fact Bert is a trouble maker looking to stir up strife.

what you said until now. Don''t follow me as a Ziba or a Shimei, or a Sanballath... accusing me with others -not openly -as a man who is deeply wounded.

I know that is a very bad comparision, but even with these you can compare some fellow(!!)-believers sometimes, you found out the same... Unbelievable.

But NO, I don''t want to compare, but I just thought of these very destructiv, accusing spirits.
Not you I like you as a brother, and why don''t you accept we think different in some things?

So try again, put on the coat of love and humility, and let us give a hand. And we ARE one in Christ, but we should not fight all the time.

Forget all the differences, ENJOY some even. I still learn. I''ve not reached, but I ''ve left. Like you, my dear brother. We as mature believers, we don''t have to be as softies, sissies -
and I like that of you. That is you! You have a very important place here! And you want to use it for good! To our God and Father the glory! In Jesus'' mighty Nam

I gave to you so much. ONLY building up, in love. Why you keep doing this?

This is not the first time, you use my name untruthfull (but I''m sure your heart is right, and you don''t understand what I try to make clear: PURE on scriptural base, in love of course. I see you here again, 7:53PM(?!) -nobody understands why, I think - so you have no excuse!

And this is not the first time, I spoke with you straight • honestly • without bias, presumtious feelings • mature and transparent • buiding up each other in love, as children of one God!!!

Sometimes if I don''t know, I can say ''sorry'', and you loose nothing, is''nt it?

I love you In Christ, and I like you very much and agree for 95% what you

you want to sneak away, and ''let it go over''? No, as a born-again Christian I ask you again (and again) for response. You used things (I never said like ''a believer does not sin'', but you get wiser- now I think, and repeat 5:14 now the first time, what I really meant!

Maybe you still does not understand the difference, but who cares, after such a long tiime of quibbling and harmfull babbling? THAT took a long time, but
1). so many damage has been done to the people who seemly look up to you, and need a leader, and to so many baby believers, AND: so many ''outside''!

2). And to me, my time, my energy I

and perhaps he should take his own advice for it is written:
""But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and whoremongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8)
The person of whom I speak should be home taking care of his wife and kids instead of spreading lies and stiring up strife on this site. He comes from Indonesia, leaves his wife and kids in Holland and goes to school in England where he is learning from his faith teachers and trying to become one himself on this site. Notice in many of his posts his "Holy Laughter"! Oh well the truth will out.
God bless true believers in Christ and God bless Israel

Your lies will find you out!
When I said you were provoking and called me a baby christian and if I didn''t repent I was in danger of having a cult spirit of control YOU SAID I WAS LYING!
If anyone wants to see who was lying, Google:
Israel Today Bert Holland Benfox
The page "Mumbai attack reportedly targeted Israels and Jews" will come up.
Look at the posts from Bert:
12/1/2008 8:36 PM and
12/2/2008 2:06 AM
to see who is lying!
Much more to follow to expose this sly fellow!
God bless my true brothers and sisters in Christ and God bless Israel

wise answers. Sometimes I smile behind my MacBook... Thank God for the patience he gave. For the joy deep in our hearts, that nobody can take away!!!!!
That is His work, His Grace. And, our: YES Lord, ... I receive!

of the mouth of a ''christian''?! Anyway -you can keep cursing but it will be not any!! harm to me -my Jesus HAS BEEN MADE A CURSE Gal3:13, hallelujah!

I even see this as another good challenge, praise God: to love your poor soul even more. I don''t love you less: whatever you say or do to me.

So you even ''serve'' me -no problem!
You cannot believe this (yet) I am sure because you think in the carnal (Rom8:6) and you CAN NOT understand the things in the Spirit.

Please my brother(?) take care. I''m not better than you, and I don''t give a serious warning very often. If you love life: ''speak good words''! 1Petr3:10, Prov18:20, 21:23, Ecc10:20: "Curse not in your thoughts (writing and making publicaly is even a MUCH GREATER sin), for a bird of the air will carry the voice''. REPENT FRANK.

read and Study the Bible The Voice of G-D written for all to hear. That same statement is said in alot of Ecumenical churches that are into Eastern Mysticism, or are you not aware of that fact BKN? What I said is that what you ment to say?

I agree with what you said about Nicodemus and an entirely new life. I also agree that the verse in Romans has nothing to do with salvation. It is a verse as I mentioned to help us, if we believe it, in times when "this doesn''t look like love from God" to me. The example I gave was an example of what I think is meant by the verse. Yes, this "prodigal" son can turn his life to Jesus and accept His gift. I asked the question because this verse is always used in any discussion I''ve had concerning once saved, always saved. I just thought you would know if it had anything to do with it or not. Thanks for your responding to me. I appreciate it and that you answer questions of you in love.

If you do not Repent and be Warshed by the Blood of The Spotless Lamb, Yeshua The Christ, the ONE that Came to Save, Enternal Separtion from G-D Almighty awaits. For those that do Believe, we will always see HIS Hands and Feet in Heavan if we fall asleep in Christ be fore The Rapture. Praise HIM,The Man of G-D. The Day of The LORD is Wrath upon Planted Eath for those that Wouldnot, Couldnot, Shouldnot BELIEVE. REPENT therefore and BELIEVE!!!

The penalty of disobaying the law must be paid. G-D came in the form of the second Adam (the Perfect SON of G-D, no sin found in HIM) to fulfill the perfect law of G-D. A soul that sins shall surly die, we were all under the penalty of death because sin entered into the world because of Adam disobedience. Christ Paid for the sins of the world, but mostly for those that would believe. If G-D does not Judge sin HE would be a UNjust Judge. HE would have been Just to distroy the world even after the Flood BUT made a Convenant with Noah. Praise The LORD for HIS Mercy and Grace upon sinful mankind, male and female made in HIS Image.

It doesn''t necessarily follow what I said of Nicodemus.

It was meant to encourage. There are many voices on here, and we are to listen to only One.

I am not quite sure what you are saying, so I may not answer it correctly, With the picture of the emprisoned son, though never physically free, that person still could respond to the love of Christ.

I don''t think this is what you are asking, but there it is anyway. Sorry.

I love the verse which you quoted from Romans. It has been quoted a lot. It is comforting when we are going through rough times and don''t "feel" at that point that God does, indeed, love us. I can have a child who goes out and commits murder, is tried, and sent to prison. I hate what that child did and know that he deserves his punishment. However, I still love him. I will always love him no matter what he does or doesn''t do to others or to me. My question is, "What does this verse have to do with salvation and our turning away from that gift?"

That neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things impending and threatening, nor things to come, nor powers,...

Nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom.8

Dry up and blow away like an autumn leave! The post at (5:14) was from was from Ben from Texas and not BENFOX. Both Bens are dear brothers in Christ and you are a false teacher and trouble maker. I will dog your heels until the truth comes out!
YOU ARE A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN YOU! You try to mix truth with error and TRUTH + ERROR = ERROR!
God bless my true brothers and sisters in Christ and God bless Israel

..and told him to not marvel at the words "You must be born again" because without Jesus Spirit IN Nicodemus, he couldn''t comprehend that completly NEW LIFE.

He heard the WORDS, but could not understand.

It never was a different way to live, academically, it is an ENTIRELY NEW LIFE from GOD. It cannot be accomplished withou HIS LIFE.

Thank you,looking after #11and12 these are from you.(now).
I MEANT : Hahaha from Bert 3.09 and Are you on speed, nameless 2.53. those two are cowards.
Of course Pal.Husb. can be any other person to discredit Palestinians.
My comment I refer to is Iran Fear 12-12,11.27AM. All the Best.

..he was unable to eat of the OTHER tree, or he would have stayed in that fallen condtion FOREVER. That other tree was the tree of LIFE. Jesus LIFE.

Jesus Christ was the only Person who had the Holy Spirit IN Him...until Pentecost. Other had the Spirit of God ON them, AROUND them, in any way that God could do for FALLEN MAN.

It is when a person is TRULY born again, God QUICKENS that human spirit with HIS SPIRIT...and makes us ALIVE TO HIM.

That is the live that walks with Him, and learns from Him, and pleases Him. IT IS FROM HIM.

BORN AGAIN has little meaning, without that human spirit being ALIVE to God..otherwise, it is the MIND OF MAN attempting to do the WILL OF GOD. NEVER WILL HAPPEN.

I remember replying to you saying that those four points of yours are good thoughts. However it looks to me that yet another positive post vanished. Moderator''s job I guess? Sometimes the junk of worst kind is left (like Palestines Husband 12/11/2008 12:22 AM) and positive, good posts are d. I just wonder if Palestinian Husband is really Palestinian?? Maybe it is just another servant of satan in disguise to discredit Palestinians. Why would moderator leave that post on for this long??? Also the sequence numbering of posts can not be done by the number which changes each time new post appear. It is upside down sequence. However that is what Christ also said that those who are first will be last and there will be those from east and west at the table with Abraham and sons of the Kingdom will be thrown out.

in you hard head with your religious, selfcentered mindset:

So let us -as born again- please not MIX things.

OUR POSITION -in Christ, holy -perfect, in the spirit!
Our doing (out of flesh, five senses, carnae, our thinking...)

Am I clear now, brother!??

1 Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one Elohim, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him and one Master Jahshua the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we by him.

to answer me now: in stead of sneakingly TALK ABOUT ME ALL THE TIME to others. THAT is SIN.
Talk with me about yourself, cowboy.

CONT:
Faith is action (gr verb). By my confession I am weak or strong, to His honor and glory 1Cor11:7, 2Cor3:18 ''...from one LEVEL of glory (now!) to another'', now (and forever, in heaven our glory shall be ... I cannot say this with words), glory- gr: ''doxa'' how He sees you, His opinion, estimate). The best is yet to come! It is a l l about OUR J e s u s, forever, hallelujah!

and unscriptural repeating ''A believer is a sinner unless you are listening to Bert''. Okay, than I have to repeat again and again, in loving and encouraging and spiritual words:

Again: In the whole New Testament there is not ONE reference that we ''are sinners'' (we do sin, by our flesh -not by our ''body''- and by our soul: our five senses). But your spirit (1Tess5:23) is perfect in Christ! AND THAT IS WHAT GOD SEES! You are a totally new creature (2Cor5:17, ''new'', Gr: ''a new species of being'', that what was never before!'' It is not what you have heard before (in your sorry religious ''christian'' sinful life), but Gods Word has the last Word!

God is only good, He wants to bless me more than I want to be blessed! You are as full of Him, as you believe, as you c h o o s e to be. Today! Now!
My confession in faith and love makes me stand before Him, my confession is my present attitude, is my faith, n o w ! Faith is action (gr verb). By my confession I am weak or strong, to His h

Your comments are impressive and the comments #11 and 12 prove you are talking to a bunch of selfish cowards.
Maybe they will find time to read the books you mention only problem they can read but not understand.
At my comment #53 nobody reacted exept you,thanks.
I would again invite the readers to do some TRUE selfexamination, which will be very hard for subborn people claiming to have Gods truth, but explained by and for them only.I hope peace will come soon for all people in the Middle East!! Iran included.

8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 8:54 JAHSHUA answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me of whom ye say, that he is your Elohim:

8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 8:47 He that is of JAHVEH heareth JAHVEH''s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of JAHVEH

8:49 JAHSHUA answered, I have not a devil but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 8:42 JAHSHUAsaid unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone for I do always those things that please him. 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 8:28 Then said JAHSHUA unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
8:29 And he that sent me is

You swallowed hook line and sinker of satan''s lies. I can give you as many verses from The Bible as you like which will tell you that you are wrong but you will just not listen. So what is the point to repeat to you over and over. Last challenge to you. Read John 8:42 "JAHSHUA said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.""
Please read it carefully and allow God''s Spirit to convince you of truth in Christ''s words. Ask: "Is it possible that I was led astray thinking that God and Son of God are one person? John 17:21 1 John 1:3 "Is it I who has got twisted believes"?? May God help you I pray.

Study all you want the only way you ar anyone else will understand is through the Holy Spirit and that only after you have come as a child, giving up your own wisdom and knowledge and intellect.

If you had any idea about what is going on in this world and has been going on for the past 65 years. and didn''t spew your venom about the US and Isreal someone might take you seriously. Right now you are just a joke to be laughed at and prayed for. Comment all you want about my not posting scripture but this is my last post to you. Paul said have nothing to do with anyone that twisted what Jesus taught, for they are just trying to cause trouble. That is you. I truly pray daily that this will change.

I have given you scriptures in fact quite a few of them that prove that Jesus and God are one and the same.This was about a month and a half to two months ago. I know that you read them because just after my posts you posted a comment to Magend. You just ignored what I had posted. The scriptures that I posted prove that Jesus and God are one, or they prove that Jesus is a liar. I personally don''t believe that Jesus is a liar. All the many comments that you posted below even if true give more cause to come to the same conclusion. Either Jesus is God or Jesus is a liar according to what you have espossed. God said that He would give His glory to no one, Yet what you have shown is that Jesus asked His apostles to give Him the glory, not God. So is Jesus a Liar in your book?

Jeroslov, you seem to be an intellectual trying to study your way into believing in Jesus. It cann''t be done, either you accept Him as a child or forget it. Study all you want the only way you ar anyone else will understand is throu

I was telling you about Ben from Germany 10:05 AM... then you will know. I should not have talked to you and him at the same time. Sorry BENFOX...really! I won''t do that again.

Thanks Eugene, as long as agree with the Bible. If I ever post something that needs correction please do so. There are a few godly men on this site as well as yourself that I really wait to see you post, and the ladies to, that Love All the Bible. It is good to comfort the afflicted, and it is also good to afflict the sometimes to comfortable. By the Grace of G-D I never what to be to comfortable...and so far I''m not. I''m concerned about the church, and my lost friends and family.

go to about 2 or 3 sites and they are all fundamentally sound in doctrine, sure you were replying to Ben Germany? A believer is a sinner unless you are listening to Bert. There is only one unforgiveable sin and that is blamphemy against the Holy Spirit in which case you wouldn''t be a believer, Because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and when He convicts someone about the truth of Jesus Christ and die, there is no redemption. Did you read the quote from Corn? A believer does not lose his or her salvation once saved. God Bless

If I can help you to become true believer I will help you any time. One does not need to be prof.or Dr in order to know God and God''s ways.

Thank you both, but I really didn''t mean to open the door to all the posts that followed by Gloria.
BKN you are right in what you wrote.
I love to read your words, for they always give me food for meditation.

To sit at His feet, and learn from Him!
If we just pondered that, what would we all change?
And what would be the result in our lives?
I hunger to do that more. To turn off all the distractions, to find more quiet time to just be filled by Him.
Thank you both again, for you are a blessing to me.

When G-D Breathed into Adam, the man HE d he was given life(Holy Sprit) and a will. After disobedience the Holy Sprit was taken from him but not his will, they became spritually dead. The Whole Bible was written by G-D in men OT & NT. Other books such as the Quarn,book of Morman,JW,Talmud, Roman Catholicism...just to name a few were written my men sending people to hell because of their erroneous teaching, doctrines of deamons. The Bible is the only Book that is infallible. Written by G-D for man. When we are Born Again we still have that same will, we can choose not to sin, we have an IF, the unbeliever only has a WHEN, for them there is no IF. BKN the Apostles sat at HIS feet and walked with HIM. A Disciple, is decipled by the teaching of the Apostles, and the Prophets...and what The LORD has said, the Bible is from HIM to us.

Time to be rebaptized in The Name of Jahshua.

"The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius:
Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. According to this eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Jesus'' actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you." That "Name" is Jesus.

who said this??
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.

development of (man-made non-inspired spurious) creed, at least in the West. Some form of instruction before baptism was common by the middle of the second century. At Rome this developed, apparently, between 150 and 175, and probably in opposition to Marcionite Gnosticism, into an explication of the baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 the earliest known form of the so-called Apostles Creed."

Apocryphal Apostles'' Creed. Matthew 28:19 was invented along with the Apocryphal Apostles'' Creed to counter so-called heretics and Gnostics that baptized in the name of Jesus Christ! Marcion although somewhat mixed up in some of his doctrine still baptized his converts the Biblical way in the name of Jesus Christ. Matthew 28:19 is the first non-Biblical Roman Catholic Creed! The spurious Catholic text of Matthew 28:19 was invented to support the newer triune, Trinity doctrine. Therefore, Matthew 28:19 is not the "Great Commission of Jesus Christ." Matthew 28:19 is the great Catholic hoax! Acts 2:38, Luke 24:47, and 1 Corinthians 6:11 give us the ancient original words and teaching of Yeshua/Jesus! Is it not also strange that Matthew 28:19 is missing from the old manuscripts of Sinaiticus, Curetonianus and Bobiensis?

"While the power of the episcopate and the significance of churches of apostolical (Catholic) foundation was thus greatly enhanced, the Gnostic crisis saw a corresponding development of

A History of The Christian Church:
1953 by Williston Walker former Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Yale University. On page 95 we see the historical facts again declared. "With the early disciples generally baptism was "in the name of Jesus Christ." There is no mention of baptism in the name of the Trinity in the New Testament, except in the command attributed to Christ in Matthew 28:19. That text is early, (but not the original) however. It underlies the Apostles'' Creed, and the practice recorded (*or interpolated) in the Teaching, (or the Didache) and by Justin. The Christian leaders of the third century retained the recognition of the earlier form, and, in Rome at least, baptism in the name of Christ was deemed valid, if irregular, certainly from the time of Bishop Stephen (254-257)."

On page 61 Professor and Church historian Walker, reviles the true origin and purpose of Matthew 28:19. This Text is the first man-made Roman Catholic Creed that was the prototype for the later Apocryphal Ap

The Catholic University of America in Washington, D. C. 1923, New Testament Studies Number 5:

The Lord''s Command To Baptize An Historical Critical Investigation. By Bernard Henry Cuneo page 27. "The passages in Acts and the Letters of St. Paul. These passages seem to point to the earliest form as baptism in the name of the Lord." Also we find. "Is it possible to reconcile these facts with the belief that Christ commanded his disciples to baptize in the trine form? Had Christ given such a command, it is urged, the Apostolic Church would have followed him, and we should have some trace of this obedience in the New Testament. No such trace can be found. The only explanation of this silence, according to the anti-traditional view, is this the short christological (Jesus Name) formula was (the) original, and the longer trine formula was a later development."

The Didache has an astonishing contradiction that is found in it. One passage refers to the necessity of baptism in the name of the Lord, which is Jesus the other famous passage teaches a Trinitarian Baptism. Lake raises the probability that the apocryphal Didache or the early Catholic Church Manual may have also been edited or changed to promote the later Trinitarian doctrine. It is a historical fact that the Catholic Church at one time baptized its converts in the name of Jesus but later changed to Trinity baptism.

"1. In the actual description of baptism in the Didache the trine (Trinity) formula is used in the instructions for the Eucharist (comm ) the condition for admission is baptism in the name of the Lord. It is obvious that in the case of an eleventh-century manuscript *the trine formula was almost certain to be ed in the description of baptism, while the less usual formula had a chance of escaping notice when it was only used incidentally."

(Catholic Trinitarian) formula of the Church? On every point the evidence of Acts is convincing proof that the (Catholic) tradition embodied in Matthew 28:19 is a late (non-Scriptural Creed) and unhistorical.

Neither in the third gospel nor in Acts is there any reference to the (Catholic Trinitarian) Matthaean tradition, nor any mention of the institution of (Catholic Trinitarian) Christian baptism. Nevertheless, a little later in the narrative we find several references to baptism in water in the name of the Lord Jesus as part of recognized (Early) Christian practice. Thus we are faced by the problem of a Christian rite, not directly ascribed to Jesus, but assumed to be a universal (and original) practice. That it was so is confirmed by the Epistles, but the facts of importance are all contained in Acts."

Also in the same book on page 336 in the footnote number one, Professor Lake makes an astonishing discovery in the so-called Teaching or Didache. The Didache has an astonishing contradiction t

arguable that Justin Martyr, though he used the trine formula, did not find it in his text of the Gospels Hermas seems to be unacquainted with it the evidence of the Didache is ambiguous, and Eusebius habitually, though not invariably, quotes it in another form, "Go ye into all the world and make diciples of all the Gentiles in My Name."

No one acquainted with the facts of textual history and patristic evidence can doubt the tendency would have been to replace the Eusebian text (In My Name) by the ecclesiastical (Catholic Trinitarian) formula of baptism, so that transcriptional evedence" is certainly on the side of the text omitting baptism.

But it is unnecessary to discuss this point at length, because even if the ordinary (modern Trinity) text of Matthew 28:19 be sound it can not represent historical fact.

Would they have baptized, as Acts says that they did, and Paul seem to confirm the statement, in the name of the Lord Jesus if the Lord himself had commanded them to use the (Catho

According to Catholic teaching, (traditional Trinitarian) baptism was instituted by Jesus. It is easy to see how necessary this was for the belief in sacramental regeneration. Mysteries, or sacraments, were always the institution of the Lord of the cult by them, and by them only, were its supernatural benefits obtained by the faithful. Nevertheless, if evidence counts for anything, few points in the problem of the Gospels are so clear as the improbability of this teaching.

The reason for this assertion is the absence of any mention of Christian baptism in Mark, Q, or the third Gospel, and the suspicious nature of the account of its institution in Matthew 28:19: "Go ye into all the world, and make disciples of all Gentiles (nations), baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." It is not even certain whether this verse ought to be regarded as part of the genuine text of Matthew. No other text, indeed, is found in any extant manuscripts, in any language, but it is arguable t

Since Gaza and the bandits sends deadly missiles while Israel sends back money to the murderers, as thanks for the hate kept d, then Judea shall stand up and with the renewed proud in Mind, with open heart send back to both the words empowered by very hard truth foreseen in the Light

Remember that Yahweh won''t ever forget what''s done to the Word By Jewish Wealth!

Muslims sends Out Bloody Dead, But In Return Receive More Wealth? Don''t ever more ask for justice, but ask & demand the hardest possible punishment!

although those words were not used, as they later are, as a formula. Not all baptisms fitted this rule." Dr Hall further, states: "More common and perhaps more ancient was the simple, "In the name of the Lord Jesus or, Jesus Christ." This practice was known among Marcionites and Orthodox it is certainly the subject of controversy in Rome and Africa about 254, as the anonymous tract De rebaptismate ("On rebaptism") shows."

The Beginnings of Christianity: The Acts of the Apostles Volume 1, Prolegomena 1:

The Jewish Gentile, and Christian Backgrounds by F. J. Foakes Jackson and Kirsopp Lake 1979 version pages 335-337. "There is little doubt as to the sacramental nature of baptism by the middle of the first century in the circles represented by the Pauline Epistles, and it is indisputable in the second century. The problem is whether it can in this (Trinitarian) form be traced back to Jesus, and if not what light is thrown upon its history by the analysis of the synoptic Gospels and Acts.

it was normally consummated as a bath in which the one receiving baptism completely submerged, and if possible in flowing water as the allusions of Acts 8:36, Heb. 10:22, Barn. 11:11 permit us to gather, and as Did. 7:1-3 specifically says. According to the last passage, [the apocryphal Catholic Didache] suffices in case of the need if water is three times poured [false Catholic sprinkling doctrine] on the head. The one baptizing names over the one being baptized the name of the Lord Jesus Christ," later expanded [changed] to the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit."

Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church:

By Dr. Stuart G. Hall 1992, pages 20 and 21. Professor Stuart G. Hall was the former Chair of Ecclesiastical History at King''s College, London England. Dr. Hall makes the factual statement that Catholic Trinitarian Baptism was not the original form of Christian Baptism, rather the original was Jesus name baptism. "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

German critical scholars as well as the Unitarians in the nineteenth century, was stated as the accepted position of mainline scholarship as long ago as 1919, when Peake''s commentary was first published: "The Church of the first days (AD 33) did not observe this world-wide (Trinitarian) commandment, even if they knew it. The command to baptize into the threefold [Trinity] name is a late doctrinal expansion."

The Bible Commentary 1919 page 723:

Dr. Peake makes it clear that: "The command to baptize into the threefold name is a late doctrinal expansion. Instead of the words baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost we should probably read simply-"into My Name."

Theology of the New Testament:

By R. Bultmann, 1951, page 133 under Kerygma of the Hellenistic Church and the Sacraments. The historical fact that the verse Matthew 28:19 was altered is openly confesses to very plainly. "As to the rite of baptism, it was normally consummated as a bath in

reflection of the (Catholic) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community, It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus, cf. Acts 1:5 +."

Tom Harpur:

Tom Harpur, former Religion Editor of the Toronto Star in his "For Christ''s sake," page 103 informs us of these facts: "All but the most conservative scholars agree that at least the latter part of this command [Triune part of Matthew 28:19] was ed later. The [Trinitarian] formula occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and we know from the only evidence available [the rest of the New Testament] that the earliest Church did not baptize people using these words ("in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost") baptism was "into" or "in" the name of Jesus alone. Thus it is argued that the verse originally read "baptizing them in My Name" and then was expanded [changed] to work in the [later Catholic Trinitarian] dogma. In fact, the first view put forward by German critic

established later in the primitive (Catholic) community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus,"..."

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 4, page 2637, Under "Baptism," says:

"Matthew 28:19 in particular only canonizes a later ecclesiastical situation, that its universalism is contrary to the facts of early Christian history, and its Trinitarian formula (is) foreign to the mouth of Jesus."

New Revised Standard Version says this about Matthew 28:19:

"Modern critics claim this formula is falsely ascribed to Jesus and that it represents later (Catholic) church tradition, for nowhere in the book of Acts (or any other book of the Bible) is baptism performed with the name of the Trinity..."

James Moffett''s New Testament Translation:

In a footnote on page 64 about Matthew 28:19 he makes this statement: "It may be that this (Trinitarian) formula, so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of th

brief summary of the (Catholic) Church''s teaching about God, Christ, and the Spirit:..."

The Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge:

"Jesus, however, cannot have given His disciples this Trinitarian order of baptism after His resurrection for the New Testament knows only one baptism in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38 8:16 10:43 19:5 Gal. 3:27 Rom. 6:3 1 Cor. 1:13-15), which still occurs even in the second and third centuries, while the Trinitarian formula occurs only in Matt. 28:19, and then only again (in the) Didache 7:1 and Justin, Apol. 1:61...Finally, the distinctly liturgical character of the formula...is strange it was not the way of Jesus to make such formulas... the formal authenticity of Matt. 28:19 must be disputed..." page 435.

The Jerusalem Bible, a scholarly Catholic work, states:

"It may be that this formula, (Triune Matthew 28:19) so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Man-made) liturgical usage established

),...(The term Trinity) not found in Scripture..." "The chief Trinitarian text in the NT is the baptismal formula in Mt 28:19...This late post-resurrection saying, not found in any other Gospel or anywhere else in the NT, has been viewed by some scholars as an interpolation into Matthew. It has also been pointed out that the idea of making disciples is continued in teaching them, so that the intervening reference to baptism with its Trinitarian formula was perhaps a later ion into the saying. Finally, Eusebius''s form of the (ancient) text ("in my name" rather than in the name of the Trinity) has had certain advocates. (Although the Trinitarian formula is now found in the modern-day book of Matthew), this does not guarantee its source in the historical teaching of Jesus. It is doubtless better to view the (Trinitarian) formula as derived from early (Catholic) Christian, perhaps Syrian or Palestinian, baptismal usage (cf Didache 7:1-4), and as a brief summary of the (Catholic) Church''s teaching about God, Ch

transmitted in a form expanded by the [Catholic] church."

The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, I, 275:

"It is often affirmed that the words in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are not the ipsissima verba [exact words] of Jesus, but...a later liturgical addition."

Wilhelm Bousset, Kyrios Christianity, page 295:

"The testimony for the wide distribution of the simple baptismal formula [in the Name of Jesus] down into the second century is so overwhelming that even in Matthew 28:19, the Trinitarian formula was later ed."

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:

"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."

Hastings Dictionary of the Bible 1963, page 1015:

"The Trinity.-...is not demonstrable by logic or by Scriptural proofs,...The term Trias was first used by Theophilus of Antioch (c AD 180),...(The term Trinity) no

your picked verse. But Bible witnes against it most. There is no baptizm like that recorded in The Bible at all. Why? Jahshua never told them to. You need to study more to find the truth.
The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics:
As to Matthew 28:19, it says: It is the central piece of evidence for the traditional (Trinitarian) view. If it were undisputed, this would, of course, be decisive, but its trustworthiness is impugned on grounds of textual criticism, literary criticism and historical criticism. The same Encyclopedia further states that: "The obvious explanation of the silence of the New Testament on the triune name, and the use of another (JESUS NAME) formula in Acts and Paul, is that this other formula was the earlier, and the triune formula is a later addition."
Edmund Schlink, The Doctrine of Baptism, page 28:
"The baptismal command in its Matthew 28:19 form can not be the historical origin of Christian baptism. At the very least, it must be assumed that the text has been transmitted

Is.61:1 "Spirit of God, descend upon my heart"
2 Chronicles 15:1 "The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded."
Ezekiel 11: 5 "Then the Spirit of JAHVEH came upon me, and he told me to say: "
1 Samuel 16:13 " the Spirit of JAHVEH came upon David in power".
and so on and on.

With what do you back up what you are saying??? Perhaps you are of mark as well? Unless you build on Rock then you build on send wich will parish.

Two thousand years of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, people EVERYWHERE who know the Bible, and preach and teach.

But: Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies. Knowledge without love is without Him. Same Teacher. Same Master Who taught His disciples.

To be a true disciple, one sits at HIS feet, to learn of HIM. There is a lot known ABOUT Him, but the circumcision made without hands seems seldom submitted to.

He that loses his life for Jesus sake, finds TRUE LIFE.

..but was not IN man until Pentecost.

Without a living spirit, quickened by God''s Spirit, all that knowledge just puffs a person up. The Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. The relationship offered to Adam was given to any and all who would trust Jesus Christ, and HIS SPIRIT then fills the believer.

The Absolute Truth of God, is also the LOVE AND WISDOM of God. Real love and truth are never separated..because they are from the same Person. His LIFE in those who laid their life down, for Him to raise up in a new life.

You really have a fine exmple of a " Christian" telling you that you are off the mark. Keep on being off his mark!!

Love in Christ Jesus and blessings to you

Mathew 28
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Why this phrase?
This is speaking of ONE BEING!
Illustration
Like Charles Haddon Spurgeon, in the name of Charles, in the name of Haddon, in the name of Spurgeon!!

Same Dude!

One God!
One Savior!
One King!
One יהוה !
One Lord!

Jesus is Jahveh!!!

Who are you Gloria that anybody should believe you?
If you are pointing at any perverted Gospel then look at your own first as I already written to you about.
Examine your own and compare with our greatest teacher and his teaching. How far of mark you are.

shows how much off mark you are. You are too much worried about small things yet you fail to recognize big ones.
I am sure you know this saying:
"You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel".
Make sure you will not be like that. Do not try to be a teacher when you need to be taught yourself first.
Other way you will be found as a blind leading blind.
In which Bible have you found G-D for God? Is that your superstition? God is not Name but title. Why do you think you need to write
G-D?
Which Bible did you find in that you have to believe that Jahshua is God (G-d) in order to have true faith?
I can show you dozens places in any Bible about Jahshua being Son of God which is essential for our salvation.
John 3:16, 1John 4:15 1 John 5:12 and so on and on.
I have never seen a verse which would say unless you believe Jashua is God you can not be saved. Matt.16:16 John 8:42,43....
God never said, Christ never said, apostles never said.
Gloria is saying that.

against those who hate Christians same as I am against those who hate Muslims. You do not hate anybody, love everybody. Have God''s Spirit in you and then you will be able to love all people same. God is The Saviour of all people especially those who believe. 1 Tim.4:10
Your post at 6.16 sims to be sourced from John Haggi or perhaps somebody like him. Muslim hater. Gentiles are Christians in Jerusalem too. If the Muslim Mosque is sticking point then I can tell you that dozens of Christian Churches is the sticking point to Jews as well. As for the Third Temple do not be deceived brother. Jews do not deserve any temple without recognizing their Messiah. When they will accept Messiah then they will be the temple themselves. When they accept Jahshua The Christ then Spirit of God will dwell in them. 1 John 4:15. After that when Jahshua will come then there will be plenty of time for third temple. Temple without High Priest is useless. Jews do not have High Priest and that is their problem now for 2000 years.

Hope I''m not sticking my nose in here, but I find myself agreeing with your post of 3:53am. That is also how I see it.
I''m sure at some point BKN will answer.
God Bless Ellie

If you don''t know if your Pastor is Ecumenical, ask him if he likes what Rick Warren is doing. If he does then he mixes truth with errow The LORD G-D HATES the mixture. The LORD will be Faithful to you, Faithfulness is what is required of us. I love the Word of G-D because I Love HIM. If you don''t love HIS Word then you don''t Love HIM...it is that simple. G-D Bless you Ellie!!!

The father of the prodical son said "my son was dead but now he is alive" the son was not a back-slider...Ben, Germany that site that you listen to DOES NOT believe Yeshua was and is G-D, don''t believe their lies...and don''t sway others with their perversion of the Bible & Gospel... BENFOX...if people do not want to hear the truth, G-D turns them over to the lie, HE causes the delusion, pray for them YES but don''t talk to them, dust yourself off Brother.

Muslim control of the Temple Mount fulfills the prophecy of Luke 21:24 that ''''Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the gentiles,until the times of the Gentiles be fullfilled'''',,The Jews cannot rebuild the Temple or resume worship in the Temple unless the long-dormant Sanhedrin Court,the highest body of Jewish lawmakers is convened.One of Jesus'' prophecies indicates that the Sanhedrin will be fullfilling its duties in the last days.Christ warned his deciples about the coming persecution in Jerusalem during the tribulation under the world ruel of the Antichrist.Matthewc24v20..]Jesus mentioned the existence of a temple when he spoke to his deciples about the events in the last days,He warned about that''''when you see the abomination of desolation,spoken by daniel the prophet,stand in the holy place''''the 3rd temple''''who so readeth,let him understand,then let them which be in judea flee to the mountains'''' Matthew 24:15-16

Sorry!

people like watts that does,you never put down their hate filled comments against the jews or christians,you never challenge ari,watts,and others jews,if you don''t comdem they hatered you aprove of it!!,What about the SICKO,PALESTINIAN HUSBAND?LET ME HEAR YOU SPEAK AGAINST HIS EVIL HATRED OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS?I''m telling you now if you don''t stand against this hatered your for it!!!

will come back. He is the only High Priest Israel (and not only Israel) will ever have and see again. There will never be any other. They may receive temporarily false one who will only deceive them. One who will come in his own name. Perhaps that is what they deserve when they rejected The One who came in JAHVEH''s Name, Jahshua High Priest forever according to order of Melchisedek. Heb.6:20 Ps 110:4.

or anywhere. I am not ashamed of what I believe is right even when most do not accept it.
How many times I have to point the truth about oneness before you will learn Benfox? What is blocking your mind friend? Spirit-Vodka or what is it?
Read John 17 and find that we are to be one with them (two) verse 21. As Father(Spirit) is in Son and Son in Father so are we to be in them.

This site is going to be a site of hysterical fear for Iran, a preparation for war with God-blessed weapons and based upon biblical phrases and no common sense. Please think over next four points:
1 Selfexamination, is my opinion really right and independent achieved?
2 Why am I so stubborn not willing to speak with my opponent (Iran) and is that biblical and Christian justified?
3 Do I really want WW3 ?
4 Why do I condemn moderate people as being weak or even traitors and enemies?

http://www.coyhwh.com/israel-in-the-endtime.php

http://www.coyhwh.com/israel-in-the-endtime.php

use any name jar, you gave yourself away with your statement about alcohol, it''s late or I would give you some good scripture, will save it for tomorrow, I don''t lose sleep over what you think of me. You should pay heed to Christ, He says the Father and I are one, I guess He disagrees with you also. you my friend are the one who disagrees with anyone who trys to tell you the truth. I don''t see triple at all but, I do know and believe that there is One God and He is as the Holy Spirit says, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus is God come in the flesh, those who don''t believe that are anti-christ) God the Holy Spirit, These Three are One. No misplaced scripture, just your imagiation and lack of Gods Holy Spirit to guide you. Still praying you and your multiible personaliies keeping you blind from the true. You don''t disagree with me but, the God you claim to know. Ask Him for help and He will enlighten you.

God forbid.

http://www.coyhwh.com/israel-in-the-endtime.php

Hamas, al-Qaida are mentioned in the Bible
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/Page%202

one has to hate person or persons. I do not hate anybody.

wndnews:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/Page%202

Find out what the Scripture says will happen next in the current peace process in Israel
Congregation of Yahweh
http://www.coyhwh.com/israel-in-the-endtime.php Don Esposito
God bless you all and speacily Israel!!

I feel sorry for you that you allow satan to fill you with his spirit (alcohol) and then you see triple from one. Also then you think that everybody who disagree with you hates you. You are wrong. Benfox everybody who does not listen to Christ and does not follow His teaching is anichrist. You are one.

Looking at your post to Ellie what you said looks like heaps of philosophy. Gospel is not that. Knowledge is not Gospel either, it will pass away 1 Cor.13:9-12. Understanding (or misunderstanding) of prophecies is not Gospel. Even the truth on its own is not Gospel. 1 Cor.13:2. Even the faith on its own is not Gospel, James 2:20 and 1 Cor.13:2
Unless your faith is combined with love for all human beings equally then you still did not get Gospel for yourself. Be careful when you judge somebody like Mother Theresa. She left everything and followed Christ as best as she knew and what is most important she loved all those whom you would most likely walk by and never stoped to give even glass of water. Perhaps me too? LOVE is everything. John 3:16 Mark 12:30-31 If we do not have love then we are nothing. Big 0.
Not all who say to me Lord, lord.... but...? Knowledgeable? NO. those who believed 100% correctly? NO.Those who understood prophecies? NO. But doers of God''s will. Love God and your neighbour.

filled comments for long. I don''t hate you but, you prove your hate everytime you come to this site with your ill informed ideas about who God is and who His chosen people are. You and watts agree because you can''t see the truth when God has made it known to you, you would rather tell God who and what He can be. a god of your imagination a god who has to agree with you and your blind hate of the Jews and Born Again Christians. You can spill your hate all over this site and we will still pray for you. hope you and the anti-christ don''t become to close, right now we just can''t tell you apart but, will keep trying.

hater. You are not alowed to hate sin in them for they will say that you hate them.

do as believers, question what we may not understand and then tell the truth in love. God Bless you in Christ Naomi

Thank you for your response.

accidental or intentional 100% then Jesus wouldn''t have been the perfect sacrifice for sin. We were saved by grace, a gift we couldn''t earn and also a gift we can''t lose. 1 Corn 3:15 " If any mans work, shall be burned, he shall suffer lose: but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire". I think we try to judge our fellow believer by some rule God never gave. I hope that explains my position on this matter.

commanded to test the spirits, not all are of God. My comment was to clear up one point, yes we all sin and I know some believers who have commited sin intentionally. Some have returned and repented and some still haven''t. This doesn''t mean they will lose their salvation. I believe the perfect example of the prodical son who disobeyed his father and did it willfully. When he returned his father didn''t reject him even though he had every right to do so. He was welcomed back with open arms. I believe our God is the same, we are members of his family and salvation is by his grace nothing that we did, so my comment was to say that God doesn''t change and maybe this believer never changed but, he was a member of the family and will be treated as such. He will probaby lose crowns but, he is still a member of the family. It is wrong for a believer to judge the heart and we all sin and if we sin in one area, God says we sin in all. The only unforgiveable sin and if you are a believer, you haven''t commi

Were you responding to Eugene? You mentioned something about every believer on this site doing it 100%. Was that in response to intentionally sinning, following Jesus as our example or what? Not sure exactly what you are saying.

Thank you for clarifying that. I can agree with you on your clarification.

Your right Eugene HE did say follow me...even if it did mean death. Ellie said nothing about dying she should have that''s the point, many want to follow HIM but how many are really willing to carry the cross. Todays Christianity is headed for a Cross-less Christianty if you are aware of what is happening, and I''m sure you do. Many are following the Emergent Rick Warren agenda (broad road) I''ll follow Christ, and by HIS Grace I''ll keep picking it up when I it. I did''t it this time.

purpose of saving Israel and become their Godly leader but, they rejected Him and he died on a cross to pay the penality of sin for all those who would except Him, the other sheep are gentiles who did except Him but, He saves both Jews and Gentiles who will except His once for all sacrifice on the cross. Are we right to follow His example, Yes and when everyone believer or non-beliver on this site can do it 100%, let us know. God Bless those who believe and pray for those who don''t.

DEMON FILLED MUSLIM

changed to ISRAEL,Jacob''s ancestors are the jews of today.where do you think the jews come from,out of thin air?

I''m sure most of you know this but have you ever thought of it in these terms. We know that everybody sins. But the Bible tells us that if we intentionally sin we have no part in Christ. Paul, Hebrews, Peter, and John tell us this. What is the difference in sinning and intentional sin? When you inadvertantly sin as all of us do many times a day, you can go to God and confess it and He is quick to forgive you. If you intentionally sin, you are telling God To go away, right now I would rather follow satan. Big difference.

Drunk Doper from Denver....

In a comment below to Ellie you said something that for the first time in one of your posts I disagree with. You said that Jesus did not come as an example. If He didn''t why did He say follow my example in living and if need be in dying also, or you call me Lord then why don''t you do what I tell you, and many others?

I will always help my friends defend the christian way of truth not lies,truth cuts like a two edge sword,look at watts comments towards me they are hate filled,thats fine, I pray for his lost soul and hope he finds Jesus someday.Jesus said we would be persecuted for HIS name sake!God Bless you Carrol,I hope you have a good celebration of Jesus Birthday!!

The first time the word ''jew'' appears in the Bible is Esther chapter 2 verse 5:-
There were NO jews in Genisis. You are putting in YOUR assumtions and they are not true! Blessing Israel does NOT bless the jews. There were none there at that time to bless. They want you to think they were but they are decievers and cannot be believed.

I feel the same way Ben on your 5:08am post,they are probably one or two that use many names to make it look like they are many.watts has a limited vocabulary,,liars and hypocrites ha ha their hate filled retorts are limited like their IQ

If you were intelligent enough to read you would see ''christians'' is in paranthesis. You should then know it means VERY FEW Christians here!!
''These self proclaimed ''christians'' are a bunch of hypocrits.'' They are about as Christian as a sleezy lieing jew. I speak TRUTH, not hate. If you''re too dumb to know the difference, that''s your problem, not mine!
END OF DISSCUSSION. I don''t argue with lieing puss guts.

We were posting at the same time.

God bless

Do you claim to be a Christian? If you do, how do you justify your dislike of the Jews? They are God''s chosen people. Yes they are in sin. As a whole they do not accept Jesus as their Messiah, but more and more are coming to him everyday. Genisis says that those who bless Israel (Jews) will be blessed, and those who curse Israel (Jews) will be cursed.
Sure there are bad people who are born Jews, just as there are bad Americans, Englishmen, every nationality and race, as there are good people in all the nationalities and races. Jesus said that not everyone who says they are a Jew are Jews. True Jews are those who follow His commandments, and worship His Son.
If you hate Jews, you cannot be a Christian.
Truth does stand on its own merit. God''s Word is Truth, and His Word says to bless Israel.

person? If not they have a unloving spirit and we know that isn''t the spirit of God. watts thinks Isreal is the anit-christ? if watts was a light bulb, he could show a flicher? God Bless Israel and Gods chosen people.

I know you mean well Ellie, love is telling someone the truth. The reason we see so little love in this world is because people don''t want to hear TRUTH...they just want to experience, and fell good about themselves. They don''t want to hear that we are dirty rotten and depraved sinners. No amount of good works (grape leaves) could I have ever done. Nothing BUT The Blood of The Lamb of G-D Yeshua, could warsh me whiter then snow, Amen. I hope BKN answers me, I know you tried...it is her I would like to hear from.

The truth speaks for itself! In forign countries the jews have laws to protect their lies. However the truth needs no laws. It stands on it''s own merrits!!!!

Ellie Yeshua did''t come here to give us an example, HE came to die for the sins of the world, to save those from their sins if they repent and believe. People are not sinners because they sin. they SIN because they are sinners. People that are not in Christ have no choise but to sin. Until you get a new nature the old one does what is natural SIN. Love can''t save anyone, my parents loved me they could not save me...It''s Yeshua that came to save the sinner. You sound like your following Rick Warren and his Social gospel...which is no Gospel at all, Mother Teresa tought Muslims and Hindus to be better Muslims and Hindus, how do you do that, teach them to make better boom. She never gave them the Gospel she never knew what the Gospel was.

no true,you said this because of HATE,IT WAS SURE NOT OF LOVE,I PRAY FOR YOUR LOST SOUL,GIVE YOUR LIFE TO JESUS NOT YOUR FALSE GOD ALLAH..JOHN C 3 V 16

She didn''t limit the Holy Spirit to 2000 yrs ago.
What I understood her point to be is despite all the Truth we have been given, including Jesus coming in flesh to be our example, men haven''t changed. We ALL could do better that we are.
Head knowledge doesn''t change the heart. Love is what changes hearts.
But when you look at this world you see very little love. Man''s heart is still selfish.
And so , as she said, the prophecies are coming to pass. Soon God will say enough to all this mess, then King Jesus will come to judge this evil world.
We await that!
God bless .

Your hate filled words speak volumes for themselves.

You are a liar and hyprocrit in the first degree.
I have never said anywhere I hated jews and Christians and I challenge you to show me where I did!!!!!! You are not man enough to back up your lies.

but lepards don''t change em''!!!(spots that is)

I''m not pickin on you, but it was so funny!!!

christians?

get the islamist,muslims that want to kill the israelies that hate Israel in gaza ,syria Iran,lebanon,egypt jordon,turkey,russia,iraq,saudi arabia,libya,pakistan and others worldwide to just lay down their weapons and not continue to hate and kill the jews and israelies?,what about people like ph and ari and watts and the others on this site? do you honestly think they are going to quit hateing jews and christians,just because israel gives the palestinians,samaria ,judea,half of jerusalem,,golan heights back?you call us warmongers,but we only show what the bible shows is going to happen,ezekiel c 38,,you keep saying what Jesus says but only if it makes your point,and you just ignore the rest of the bible..

even less then 0 + 0 = 0 if it was signed by a jew.

Jaroslav, you''ve got that right. These ''christians'' are a bunch of hypocrits. The day is coming when they will wish they had not followed the anti-Christ, israel.

BLAIR IS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN AN ONGOING FANTASY. NO SECRET AGREEMENT ABHORENT TO THE VOTING POPULATION DONE WITHOUT PRIOR KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT CAN CLAIM TO BE VALID. THERE IS, RIGHTLY, NO MOTION TOWARD AN ARAB-WESTERN CRONY- DICTATED SET OF BINDING AGREEMENTS, NOT WHILE THE ARAB INTERNATIONALISTS HOWL FOR JEWISH BLOOD AND ROCKETS AND MORTARS FALL AMONG ISRAELIS AND THE CURRENT COWARDLY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR ISRAELI ADMINISTRATION STANDS. WELCOME, BIBI, AND PLEASE HURRY BEFORE THESE MORONS TRY GIVING AWAY THE STORE AND ACTUALLY COME CLOSE TO GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!

BLAIR IS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN AN ONGOING FANTASY. NO SECRET AGREEMENT ABHORENT TO THE VOTING POPULATION DONE WITHOUT PRIOR KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT CAN CLAIM TO BE VALID. THERE IS, RIGHTLY, NO MOTION TOWARD AN ARAB-WESTERN CRONY- DICTATED SET OF BINDING AGREEMENTS, NOT WHILE THE ARAB INTERNATIONALISTS HOWL FOR JEWISH BLOOD AND ROCKETS AND MORTARS FALL AMONG ISRAELIS AND THE CURRENT COWARDLY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR ISRAELI ADMINISTRATION STANDS. WELCOME, BIBI, AND PLEASE HURRY BEFORE THESE MORONS TRY GIVING AWAY THE STORE AND ACTUALLY COME CLOSE TO GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!

"Christians" on this site want to hear. That is last thing we want to hear. War. "We" want war. Give us a war. Bombing and destruction "we" want to see. "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". Bomb Syria, Lebanon and Palestine, and anybody who does not agree with us. Just bomb anybody as long as you do not make peace deals with them. Did not Christ say there will be wars and rumours of wars? So that has to be fulfilled. Satan will bring peace which will be false peace but do not expect "Christians" to cheer for peace. War is what "we" want.

Hi Brother! I see what you mean from your email. If he is not lying about location, PH is leaving a trail of EVIDENCE. Making terroristic threats should put him in custody for awhile! Good job and God Bless!

I know you Love The LORD BKN, but I need to say this.The Holy Sprit did not come 2000 years ago. The Holy Sprit started in Genesis...In The Beginning G-D. vs3 Let there be light. HE gave The Holy Sprit to those that did believe. The Fullness of G-D is and was in Yeshua. The Believers are to be lights of that Amazing Grace in a world that is getting darker and darker. Genesis will happen again BUT then they, the unbelieving word that remain upon the Earth will see The Light of The Word Yeshua!!! Ever knee will bow, every tongue will confess. Isaiah45:22-25, Romans14:11, Philippians2:9-11. Praise The LORD of Light!!!

only yesterday Aruts Sheva reported
that Netanyahu wants to continue
holding talks with the Palestinians. Is it
now that he is more or less assured to
be the next leader? I remember, when
he said, if he comes to power, there
will be no more giving in to the
demands of your enemy.
How much is this due to Tony Blair`s
charisma rather than righteous
experience?

BEN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE KING DAVID, AND WITH OUR FATHERS HANDS UP ON US HE WILL GIVE US A KING DAVID, BUT NOT NATANYAHU OR LIVI THEY WILL GIVE AWAY ALL OF ISRAEL TO OUR ENEMYS AND THIS MY HOME.JUST AS IT IS YOUR, WHO BELIEVE IN THE G-D OF ABRAHAM ISAAC ANS JOCOB AND LIVE BY THE TORAH

Well done this ph question.

The degeneration of Man is evident in these leaders we see now.

I see this as the people, not the individual.

It is pretty sad when over these 2000 years the Spirit of Jesus Christ has been here, and the Bible and anger is all that seems to flow in most areas. If His LOVE had been filling all the TEACHINGS about Him, this would be a different outcome...but it is NOT.

And, because it is not, the prophecy fortold describes THIS WORLD as we know it.

Jesus Christ soon will SHOW the World what HE MEANT. GOD was to be Israel''s KING, always.

''we are a new creation in Christ''

Hallelujah!

think they are better than the rest of us. They need to get a reality check. They are all only human after all. They tell huge lies, but as long as they can cover it up they think that ordinary people will not notice.
I thank God that I am not an ordinary person. All those who are Born Again and live by the Holy Spirit are not ordinary and because we have the Holy Spirit, we have the gift of discernment and in these end times we need to use this gift more than ever before.

God Bless all of you on this site who use this gift wisely.
God Bless Israel and His people.

the paper it was written on.

0 + 0 = 0

soon get a visit from the police in that area or they may search him out off the internet, because I just turned him into home land security and the police department. Hope he goes away for a long time?

FCCJ Deerwood Campus in Jacksonville Florida just walking distance to my house. I am planing a terrorist attack where I will kidnap a little Jew Fucklet and stick my Ham Radio Ring into Jew Fuck ass as I chant A Yeah We You. The police will never stop me! I am smiling into the security camera''s as I type this message and chant A Yeah We You.

gives Christians a bad name. He is not Born Again and therefore does not love Israel. He has only ever wanted to be in a position of power to line his own pockets and make a name for himself. He is an embarrassment to those who truly pray for peace.

God''s Will be done.

God Bless Israel and His people.

Matthew 24: 15 Jesus said -
When ye therefore shall see the
abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet (9 V.27), stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16. Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains......
21. And except those days be
shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect''s sake those days shall be shortened.
We pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
May all those who love her be secure.

Daniel 9 v. 27
And he shall confirm the covenant with
many for one week and in the midst
of the week (7 years) he shall cause
the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it
desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Amen, even so come Lord Jesus/Yeshua.

I wait for the LORD, my soul waits,
And in His word I do hope.
My soul waits for the LORD
More than those who watch for the
morning-
O Israel, hope in the LORD,
For with the LORD there is mercy,
And with Him is abundant
redemption (Psalm 130:5).

Proverbs 29:12 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people morn" Proverbs 29:2 Proverbs 27:18 " Whoso keepeth the fig tree (Israel) shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master (The God of israel) shall be honored" Proverbs 24:24 "He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art reghteous: Him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him" Proverbs 21: The kings heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whitersoever he will" Andrew Jackson made this his election verse in 1865. Praise God and His Holy Word, His Holy Name and there is only one name under heaven by which a man might be saved. His Name is Jesus Christ.

DON T YOU COUNT ON NANTANYAHU, BECAUSE LEOTARDS DON T CHANGE THEIR SPOTS AND HE JUST WANTS TO TALK AND TALK ANDWILL DO JUST LIKE THE OTHER GOVERNMENT IS DOING

The "palestinians" have never kept their word in any peace deal. This is all deception! Hamas and Hizballah will keep terrorism alive.

you are right on target. The LORD is not caught unaware of man''s actions, thoughts or intentions.

even those things done in secret.

This "agreement" is nothing. The next leader does not have to continue with any of it. That is why there is a law covering the outgoing leader and major treaties. It would only serve to hurt the next leader if he or she wants to drift away from it''s core. This is why Benjamin Netenyahu is needed, someone with the chutzpah to stand up to the PAL''s and the pals of the world. Because no pal of the world is a pal of Israel. This includes our beloved United States. Yes, come quickly Yeshua. That seems to be a selfish cry but I see no other way for true peace in Jerusalem, and God dose ask us to pray for the peace in the Holy city.

Look what happened to two of his predecessors who took steps to give away land that wasn''t theirs to give. Rabin was killed and Sharon is a vegetable.

Olmert may just be next on G-d''s "hit list".

the right sort of partners who come
together to make secret and shady
deals.
As charismatic Blair is to have been
sent to act as Middle East envoy,
disaster will follow his every step, that
is his final aim anyway. So again -
watch out Israel!

He lied over WMD. He and his wife have been involved in ''dubious'' buisIness deals.
How fitting that he should team up with Israel''s NUMBER ONE LIAR AND CHEAT - OLMERT ( A.K.A OLD FART ). THIS IS PURE POLITICAL BLACKMAIL 100%. NEITHER OF THEM HAS ANY SHAME.
IMPEACH OLMERT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They must do what is best for Israel. It is an illlegal pact and not binding for anyone much less Netenyahu

as usual..any time a countries leaders meet in secret it is not in the best interest of the people but the politicians and other leaders that have the one world agenda platform,,this peace deal is very important to the one worlders..the un is rotten to the core with people that hate Israel,,yes Frank,Come Jesus come,,this will just Quicken Christ''s return if this land give away is made..God Bless Israel

Shalom brother,
It was George W. Bush that appointed Blair as head honcho to the middle east. The blind giving place to the blind.
God bless you and all our brothers and sisters in Christ and God bless Israel

"Therefore, HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD, O scoffers, who rule this people who are in Jerusalem, because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol we have made a pact. The overwelming scourge will not reach us when it passes by, for we have made falsehood our refuge and we have concealed our selves with deception:"
(Isaiah 28:14-15)
Wake up Israel, these men are full of deception and will only bring about your demise! Turn to the One who said: "I have loved you with an everlasting love" and who calls you the "Apple of His eye."
God bless Israel

Well said, and regarding Blair,are you aware that his wife made a statement a few years ago where she agreed with suicide bombers ? He has been the worst PM in living memory and is certainly NO friend of Israel ! Who elected him as middle-east supremo anyway ? The whole thing stinks to high Heaven ! This is the man who was primarily responsible for "gay" marriages being made legal in the UK,and he has the gall to refer to himself as a Christian.Now he has joined(under his wifes`prompting) the roman catholic faith ! BEWARE this man,he is one of the devils`henchmen ! God bless FRANK,and Israel !!

A secret deal from an anti Israel prime minister who by the way was not elected to the post and whose own wife and daughter led anti Israel marches and whose two sons live in America to avoid the army - and a holocaust denyer, who was the pay master for Munich and was Arafats right hand! WOW! And now Tony Blair an other limp wristed lefty! May God judge these men swiftly! May His will be done for Israel and the rest of the world. Maranatha, come Lord Yeshua come!
God bless Israel

prayers are going up for Netanyahu to win the election