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Onward Messianic soldier? Israeli believers weigh in on Gaza war

During these times of wars and rumors of wars, one of the hottest debates among believers in Jesus - be they Messianic Jews or Gentile Christians - is whether or not we should participate in or support the use of armed force against our physical enemies.

Verses like Matthew 5:9 (blessed are the peacemakers) and Matthew 5:39 (turn the other cheek) are presented by many as evidence that as the Body of Messiah we are forbidden to use force or support its use by others.

Many others insist that the opposite is true, and that the above verses are being misinterpreted and taken out of context when applied to national situations. This side points to the many instances where God Himself ordered Israel into battle against its physical enemies.

And if God is unchanging (Numbers 23:19) then surely using and supporting the use of force for righteous purposes remains acceptable for believers today. Right?

It is difficult to adequately speak to this issue without ever having been directly threatened by an armed and hostile enemy. Most Christians in the West have never experienced that, nor have most had to deal with loved ones being called up to defend their nation against looming and potentially existential threats.

Israeli believers, however, are able to speak to the issue from a position of intimate knowledge and experience. For Israelis, the question of whether or not to use and support the use of force is perhaps more relevant than for believers anywhere else in the West. It is not merely an academic exercise in religious morality, but rather a matter of life and death.

With violence flaring in and around the Gaza Strip, we asked local Messianic leaders how they view the use of force against the terrorists, considering that many of their own sons and friends may be participating in the fighting, and that unlike for most Christians in the West, the terrorists pose a direct daily threat to their lives and the lives of their loved ones.

David Silver of Out of Zion Ministries in northern Israel had no qualms about supporting the war effort, and said he believes Israel "should use all force necessray to remove the Hamas leadership and destroy the [Gaza] rocket factories and the teams that fire them."

Seth Ben-Haim, a Jerusalem-based Messianic leader and former executive pastor at King of Kings Assembly, said that while he supports the current action in Gaza, "unfortunately it is too little too late."

He hopes that Israel will soon elect a new leadership that will consistently take the battle to "where our enemies sit, and not where our kids go to school," but insisted that even that will not go far enough.

"The situation became much worse after the tragic uprooting of Jews from our homeland in [the Gaza Jewish communities of] Gush Katif. This provided a fertile ground for the increase in strength of Hamas and the dramatic and qualitative increase in terror," explained Ben-Haim.

"Israel needs to create a change in the strategic balance of power in the area. In order to accomplish this we need to be located in all of our land."

Howard Bass is pastor of the Nachalat Yeshua (Yeshua's Inheritance) congregation in the southern Israel city of Beersheva. Bass and his congregants found their city under attack by Gaza rockets for the first time ever on Wednesday morning.

He voiced support for Israel waging war against its physical enemies, but stressed that the Jewish state will never obtain the peace it truly needs and desires until it likewise engages its spiritual battles.

"A time for war, and a time for peace. To our sorrow the time is not yet when war is no more," said Bass. "As a nation, Israel is obliged to act to defend itself against Hamas, a self-proclaimed enemy, which has armed and trained itself to wage war against Israel and her existence.

"On the other hand, Israel continues to resist turning back to the God of Israel and His Messiah Yeshua, the Son of God, who alone gives peace, security, healing," Bass continued, concluding that "only the righteousness of God can bring true and lasting peace to Israel and to all the other nations."

In their nearly unified support for military action, Israeli Messianic leaders did not forget Jesus' command to also love Israel's enemies (Matthew 5:44).

Most local ministries sent out newsletters urging their supporters to pray at this time, both for Israel's victory and for the protection and salvation of Palestinian Arabs trapped in an ideology of hate that is ultimately directed against the fulfillment of God's will.

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[454] COMMENTS:
1 .  nope not guttless. Scripture is what I was quoting all this
time yet you just prefer to stick to your unscriptural believes. It is on you. Not on me.You will soon be corected by God. Just watch.
 
Jaroslav   1/17/2009 7:34 AM
2 .  Jaroslav
apparently you can''t read, or you don''t choose to read, or you are one of the 3 blind mice. There have been so many here giving you proof from the Bible that Jesus is God, and so many more things you are wrong - uh, that''s WRONG about yet you still deny. That''s your choice, and if you continue in your error you will be corrected by GOD. When you age given scripture to prove other than you believe you just say it was ed. You just can''t accept the word of God as it was given to the writers. No point in giving you Bible verses, you just throw them out. YOU are the one making God a liar.
 
Nope not gutless at all   1/13/2009 1:55 AM
3 .  Dear Bert, for once I will defend Rebekah
New moons are not part of 10 commandments, are they? Yes, when God''s Kingdom comes we are going to keep New moons too. Isaiah 66:23.
Till then if we do our best to uphold love for God and for each other then we keep all ten. If You love JAHVEH God you will keep Sabbath too. There is only one Day which is blessed and sanctified out of seven and it is Seventh Day of The week, Sabbath.
Well if you do not keep fourth then you may as well brake them all. Then you can steal, you can murder and so on. Do not worry we are not saved by law but by grace. Rom.3:31 6:15.

 
Jaroslav   1/8/2009 1:07 PM
4 .  Nope, gutless one. And which Bible verses are you quoting?
I can back my believes with 101 verses yet you do have none which you can show that nonsense you believe is in the Bible. Unless of course you do not understand what is written and twisting things up. Just like devil did when he lied to Eve that she is an immortal soul. People like you make God a liar and satan true. You should be shamed with everlasting shame.
 
Jaroslav   1/8/2009 12:28 PM
5 .  Jaroslav, the confused one
The sad thing is that many who believe lies and are stuck in the same mud hole as you THINK they are right, just as you do. The truth is that the soul is immortal, God & Jesus are one and the same, and there is no ''soul sleep'', but as Paul said, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.'' It si the lost who go to hell upon death. Jesus freed the righteous in Hades when He was crucified..........or do you think He was impaled and not crucified???
 
Nope, not gutless at all!!   1/6/2009 7:18 PM
6 .  Nameless (are u gutless?) chicken. I am not afraid to say
the truth. No matter how much it hurts. Truth is truth like it or not.
Nothing to worry about my neck. Very healthy and straight. Thanks be to God. Worry about your tail trapped in the satan''s traps.
 
Jaroslav   1/6/2009 12:13 PM
7 .  Jaroslav
You are not getting AROUND satan''s traps, you are mired in them up to your twisted neck.
 
  1/6/2009 3:20 AM
8 .  Dear Moshiach, do you keep the Sabbath 4:08 PM
and than you keep also the New Moon also? And you don''t pick up wood (otherwise you should be killed, according to the law), and you have to kill your child, when it is not obedient to you, according to the law as well?

Who wants to be the best sinner in hell, ...observe ALL the commandements, otherwise you are cursed. Forever. Deut27:26.

Or repent (that means: ''Have another vieuw''), and don''t ADD a n y t h i n g to the work of our Lord Jesus, Gal3:10,13, Hebr10 10,14.
 
Bert   1/6/2009 1:09 AM
9 .  Helping Government authorities is helping Justice!

 
Steve W.   1/5/2009 11:04 PM
10 .  Like Carol using a P, I shall use a W.
If you appreciate police dealing with local criminals, then why wouldn''t you appreciate soldiers dealing with international criminals? Hummm?

If you would assist police maintain civil order, why wouldn''t you assist the army as well?

When people can''t distinguish between government action (Rom. 13), from individuals taking law into their own hands (vigilantism), I suppose their theology is also screwed up (mixed with simple-minded piety) as with the interloper (Steve) who pirateded my name.
 
The Original Steve + W   1/5/2009 11:01 PM
11 .  nameless I will get over it and around it. I will go around
the satan''s traps and his lies. God did not say to Eve "your body shell die". NO. GOD SAID "YOU SHELL DIE". Was God saying the truth or according to you was it satan? Wake up man. Come to your senses while you are alive. When you die it will be late. You will be dead.
 
Jaroslav   1/5/2009 10:56 AM
12 .  The soul IS immortal get over it

 
  1/5/2009 3:00 AM
13 .  Nameless It is not my coma but those who suport imortal soul
I do not believe in coma neither I believe in immortal soul. "Soul which sins shell die". I believe in God Almighty and His Word. All men''s philosophies I leave for you if you want to follow them?
 
Jaroslav   1/5/2009 12:56 AM
14 .  However, Jaroslav,
there are no punctuation marks in the original language transcripts. These were added by men. OOPS, there goes your comma theory.........
 
  1/5/2009 12:41 AM
15 .  May I ask....
What is the gap theory? I heard a preacher once say something about how he thought there had been life on earth before the recorded Bible, is that what you are talking about? This guy was off the wall in several ways, and I didn''thang around there long... Just curious!!

God bless

 
Carol P   1/4/2009 11:59 PM
16 .  What is critical from the standpoint of international...
law is that if the attempt has been made "to minimize civilian damage,

then even a strike that causes large amounts of damage - but is
directed at a target with very large military value - would be lawful."

DORE GOLD: Is Israel Using
‘Disproportionate Force’

Just the cold, hard facts.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com:80/1208/disproportionate_dore.php3

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 6:09 PM
17 .  VIDEO: Children Of Hamas
Where is the UNICEF?

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef,
says the organization betrays the Palestinian cause and tortures its own members.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475226,00.html

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO INTERVIEW: Son of Hamas leader speaks out

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3016344&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475226,00.html

Cont. from below: ...as they burn tires in the southern refugee camp of Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon, Saturday, Dec. 27, 2008.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=islamic%20jihad,%20refugee%20camp&

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 5:41 PM
18 .  The Fourth Geneva Convention Article 28 expressly...
prohibits the use of civilians as human shields by placing them alongside soldiers or military facilities, with the hope of attaining immunity from attack.

The official commentary of the Convention refers to this practice, which was common in the Second World War as "cruel and barbaric."

The Convention, in Articles 31 and 51, also prohibits the use of physical or moral coercion on civilians or forcing them to carry out military tasks.

Article 27, states that civilians who find themselves in the hands
of one of the parties are "entitled,
in all circumstances, to respect…

They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof…"

Masked Palestinian gunmen from Islamic Jihad display their skills
for the media in the Khan Younis refugee Camp

Palestinian supporters of militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad
chant calls for retaliation against Israel, as they burn tires in the southern
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 5:24 PM
19 .  HAMAS MP FATHI HAMMAD: We Used Women...
and Children as Human Shields.

"The enemies of Allah do not know that the Palestinian people
has developed its methods of death and death-seeking.

For the Palestinian people, death
has become an industry, at
which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land.

The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children.

This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen,

in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy:

"We desire death like you desire life."

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1710.htm

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 5:19 PM
20 .  SHOCKER: Hamas are the real war criminals -
In a recent incident related to me by the former head of the Israeli air force, Israeli intelligence learned that a family''s house in Gaza was being used to manufacture rockets.

The Israeli military gave the residents 30 minutes to leave. Instead, the owner called Hamas, which sent mothers carrying babies to the house.

Israel held its fire. The Hamas rockets that were protected by the human shields were then used against Israeli civilians.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123085925621747981.html

Hamas Women Vow Bombings

Comment: 3,4,5,7,9

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129182

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:56 PM
21 .  Bush pushes for monitored ceasefire pact
He also urged other countries to pressure Hamas to stop its rocket attacks on Israel and support
the elected Palestinian leaders.

"I urge all parties to pressure Hamas to turn away from terror and to support legitimate Palestinian leaders working for peace," Bush said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3649463,00.html

PRESIDENT BUSH: "Politically, the PA
was led by a terrorist who stole
from his people and walked away from peace."

"To help the Palestinian people achieve the state they deserve,

we insisted on Palestinian leadership that rejects terror and recognizes Israel''s right to exist. Now that this leadership has emerged..." (???)

http://www.whitehouse.gov:80/news/releases/2008/12/20081205-8.html

Where is the condemnation of Abbas & Co, mr bush - president of america?

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:43 PM
22 .  Abbas Praises Suicide Bombers, Foreign Media...
Downplay Remarks.

Foreign media generally omitted Abbas''s remarks on martyrs, which usually refers to suicide bombers,
and highlighted his comments on the need for PA unity.

ABBAS: We will continue on Arafat''s path until Palestinian state formed.

The path of the shahids—Arafat, George Habash and Sheikh Ahmed
Yassin—is the path that we cherish."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128343

Abbas REJECTS PEACE, Welcomes Terrorists

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127332

Hamas, Al-Qaeda Threaten Jewish Targets Abroad

FATAH: Call for a "Day of Rage".

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129193

"A Hamas spokesman told Ha''aretz that the group is also considering
a resumption of suicide bomb attacks against Israeli civilians."

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=17806

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:37 PM
23 .  Hamas says will not follow Taliban method in Gaza
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200706/15/eng20070615_384321.html

TALIBAN CONDEMNED FOR USING A 13 YEAR OLD BOY AS A SUICIDE BOMBER

VIDEO: British PM Gordon Brown condemned the Taliban for using a child suicide bomber in an attack which killed three British troops.

http://www.javno.tv/en/index.php?id=12637mca0226c1b273

Hamas issued threats on Thursday to Israeli soldiers, and said the group had trained thousands of women and girls to act as suicide bombers and kill any IDF soldiers who entered Gaza.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129183

PMW: Hamas''s Denial on Islamic Law is a Lie

Comment 14,15,16

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129045

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:24 PM
24 .  And it shall be from new moon to new moon...
and from Sabbath to Sabbath, that all flesh shall come to prostrate themselves before Me," says the Lord.

"And they shall go out and see the corpses of the people who
rebelled against Me, for their worm * shall not die,

*The worm that consumes their flesh (Is. 41:8-16, 51:7-8, Hosea 5:12)

and their fire (in Gehinnom) shall
not be quenched, and they
shall be an abhorring for all flesh."
Isaiah 66:23-24, Dan. 12:2

For Tophteh (Gehinnom)* is set up from yesterday, that too
has been prepared for the king,

*Purgatory, the spiritual realm in which the souls are cleansed
from the blemishes brought about by their conduct while on Earth.

THEREFORE REPENT WHILE YOU ARE STILL ALIVE!

it deepened, it widened its pile,
of fire and much wood, the
breath of the Lord is like a stream of brimstone, burning therein.
Isaiah 30:33, 5:24-30, Jer. 5:14, 23:29

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:08 PM
25 .  Fahimi Zidän: Shariah Law is rooted in the New Testament
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter
into life maimed, rather than having two hands,

to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched where
"Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.''

And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-

where Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.''

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes,

to be cast into hell fire where
"Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.''
Mark 9:43-48, Matthew 5:27-31, 18:8-9

The Moslems have paid a heavy price for this vilification.

Below: Isaiah 44:6-11, 45:4-7,15-25

Below: Isaiah 43:10-12

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 3:47 PM
26 .  Thus saith HaShem, the King of Israel,
and his Redeemer HaShem of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last,
and beside Me there is no G-d.

And who, as I, can proclaim let him declare it, and set it in order for Me since I appointed the ancient people?

And the things that are coming,
and that shall come
to pass, let them declare.

Fear ye not, neither be afraid,
have I not announced
unto thee of old, and declared it?

And ye are My witnesses. Is there
a G-d beside Me? Yea,
there is no Rock, I know not any.

They that fashion a graven image are all of them vanity, and their delectable things shall not profit,

and their own witnesses see not, nor know, that they may be ashamed.

Who hath fashioned a god, or molten an image (Jesus)
that is profitable for nothing?

Behold, all the fellows thereof shall be ashamed, and the
craftsmen skilled above men,

let them all be gathered together, let them stand up, they shall fear, they shall be ashamed together.
I
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 3:25 PM
27 .  Isaiah 43:9-13: God challenges the nations to step...
forward and testify if their prophets have foretold the final redemption
or any of the earlier events foretold by the prophets of Israel before they occurred.

The nations are unable to testify –
- but the Jews are God''s witnesses, for God has revealed to them what
is to come in order that they should know Him and have faith in Him.

"You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant (Jacob)
whom I chose" (Is. 49:3, 44:1, Lev. 25:55),

in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He,

before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be.

I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior (Hosea 13:4).

I told and I saved, and I made heard and there was no stranger among you, and you are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and I am God.
Isaiah 10-12, Deut. 32:39, Ex. Ch. 19:15-25, Deut. 4:30-40

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 3:14 PM
28 .  May Your dead live,* My corpses shall rise,
*God''s righteous eople, those who were slain for God''s sake, the corpses of My people who made themselves corpses for My sake, they shall be raised up.

AWAKEN AND SING, YOU WHO DWELL IN THE DUST,

*All this the Holy One, blessed be He, shall say to them, the prophetess'' people “Awaken and sing,”

FOR A DEW OF LIGHTS IS YOUR DEW,*

*The dew of Your Torah and Your commandments shall be
to them dew of light (Rashi).

AND TO THE EARTH YOU SHALL CAST THE SLACKERS.*
Isaiah 26:19

*And to the earth and to the dust You shall cast the land of the
slackers who slackened their hands from Your Torah.

Comment # 11-1

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=15930

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:53 PM
29 .  HaleluJah Rebeca does believe in resurection
So if JAHVEH did not rised His Son Jahshua then God will not rise Rebekah either. If Rebekah will believe that God rised Messiah Jahshua from death then God will raise her to life as well after she will go to sleep.
Is that so rebekah?
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:53 PM
30 .  "Three keys are in the hand of the Holy One,
blessed be He and have not been entrusted to any agent:

the key to the rains, the key to giving birth and the key to the revival of the dead" (Ta''anis 2b).

Comment # 5

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125383

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:47 PM
31 .  Seven (7) different witnesses to Obed
Dear Obed, trinity is Catholic doctrine and has nothing to do with One true God: Deut.6:4 John 17:3 1 Cor.8:6 Jude 4 Rev:1:1 2 Peter 1:2 James 1:1.............. (many more). Here I gave you verses where you can see seven (7) witnesses who tell you that there is only one God JAHVEH Almighty and one lord Jahshua the Messiah.
Anything more than that about three headed monster is from devil.God is one. Our fellowship is with God and with His Son not with monstrous trinity. 1 John 1:3
 
  1/4/2009 2:46 PM
32 . 
Dear Obed, trinity is Catholic doctrine and has nothing to do with One true God: Deut.6:4 John 17:3 1 Cor.8:6 Jude 4 Rev:1:1 2 Peter 1:2 James 1:1.............. (many more). Here I gave you verses where you can see seven (7) witnesses who tell you that there is only one God JAHVEH Almighty and one lord Jahshua the Messiah.
Anything more than that about three headed monster is from devil.God is one. Our fellowship is with God and with His Son not with monstrous trinity. 1 John 1:3
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:43 PM
33 .  You are eternally mighty, my Lord, the Resucitator...
of the dead are You,* abundantly able to save,

*Alluding to the three kinds of resuscitation, man''s awakening
every morning after deathlike slumber, the literal resuscitation
of the dead, that will take place in the Messianic age.

Daniel 12:1-3, Is. 26:19, Ez. Ch. 37

Who makes the wind blow and makes the rain descend,

Who sustains the living with kindness,
resuscitates the dead with abundant mercy, supports the fallen, heals the sick, releases the confined, and maintains His faith to those asleep in the dust.

Who is like You, O Master of mighty deeds, and who is comparable to You, O King Who causes death and restores life and makes salvation sprout. (Is. 27:6, Ps. 74:12)

And You are faithful to resuscitate the dead. Blessed are You,
HaShem, Who resuscitates the dead.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:41 PM
34 .  furthermore, we are shown up as false witnesses-
for God in having testified that God raised up the Messiah, whom
hedid not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

and if the Messiah has not been raised, then what we
have proclaimed is in vain,

also your trust is in vain,
1 Corinthians 15:15,14 CJB

Well, are the dead yet raised?

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:37 PM
35 .  For if the dead are not raised, then the Messiah...
has not been raised either,

and if the Messiah has not been raised, your trust is useless,
and you are still in your sins.

Also, if this is the case, those who died in uni-on with the Messiah are lost.

If it is only for this life that we have put our hope in the Messiah,
we are more pitiable than anyone.
1 Corinthians 15:16-19 CJB

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:31 PM
36 .  CG for dead even 6000 years will be like seconds at
the resurrection. They do not know of time span passed. Like when you fall asleep and after you wake up. Just like that. Simple friend simple gospel which you complicate.
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:23 PM
37 .  The difference between Yishmoel and Eisav:
EISAV, WHO DWELLED BETWEEN TWO TZADDIKIM (ISAAC & REBEKAH) DID NOT LEARN FROM THEIR DEEDS!

Esau, also known as Edom. Son of Rebecca and Isaac. He sold his birthright to his younger twin Jacob.

A hunter, he led an immoral lifestyle, though he excelled in honoring his father. He eventually settled in Seir, and is the progenitor of Edom.

Edom, the nation which descended from Esau. In the rabbinic texts, Edom is often equated with Rome, i.e., Christianity.

LISTEN FOR FREE:

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/661647/jewish/Yishmoel-and-Eisav.htm

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:21 PM
38 .  Rebekah if you put coma from the other side of "TODAY" then
the sentence changes the meaning altogether:''"Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise."
Luke 23:43
But you do not believe in Christ''s resurrection so why did you send this post? Do you believe in resurrection at all?
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:16 PM
39 .  And he (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man,*
HIS HAND WILL BE UPON ALL,*

*He will be a bandit.

AND EVERYONE''S HAND UPON HIM,*

*Everyone will hate him and attack him.

AND BEFORE ALL HIS BROTHERS HE WILL DWELL.*
Genesis 16:12

*For his seed will be numerous.

BUT AN EMPTY MAN WILL GET UNDERSTANDING, WHEN A WILD ASS''S COLT IS BORN A MAN.*
Job 11:12

*Even an empty, foolish man can
gain himself a heart and
subject himself self-reckoning
and return to his Crea-tor.

Man starts life as a wild ass''s colt,
but he has the power to teach
himself to be a new man and follow a good path (Rashi, Metzudas David).

AND HE (ISHMAEL) DWELT IN
THE WILDERNESS,
AND BECAME AN ARCHER.*
Genesis 21:20

*Hunter, He would dwell in the desert and waylay the passers-by.

*HIS NAME WAS TO BE "GOD HEARS," I.E., "ISHMAEL."

Comment # 54,33, 40

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125368

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:15 PM
40 .  The Muslims are destined to repent: And Abraham...
AND ABRAHAM EXPIRED AND DIED IN A GOOD OLD AGE,
OLD AND SATISFIED, AND HE WAS GATHERED TO HIS PEOPLE.

And Isaac and Ishmael* his sons buried him in the Cave of Machpelah.

*FROM HERE WE MAY DEDUCE THAT ISHMAEL REPENTED
AND LET ISAAC GO BEFORE HIM.

and that is the meaning of “a good old age” which is stated regarding Abraham (Gen. Rabbah 30:4, 38:12).

AND THESE ARE THE YEARS OF THE LIFE OF ISHMAEL:

one hundred years and thirty years and seven years,

AND HE EXPIRED* AND DIED AND WAS GATHERED TO HIS PEOPLE,
Gen. 25:8-9,17

*HEB. וַיִגְוַע. THE TERM גְוִיעָה IS MENTIONED ONLY REGARDING
THE RIGHTEOUS — [B.B. 16b].

Hagar obeyed God and RETURNED to Sarah''s tent (Gen. 19:9).

AND THE BOYS GREW,* AND ESAU WAS A CUNNING HUNTER,

A MAN OF THE FIELD.

AND JACOB WAS A QUIET MAN, DWELLING IN TENTS.*
Gen. 25:27

*Jacob went to study of Torah, Esau went to the house of idols.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 2:09 PM
41 .  CG your last post to me has nothing in it. No more sword
in your hand? Did my two edged knocked yours out of your hand? Giving up? There is so much of things to share still from the Word of God. Do not give up so easily. When real tests come you have to be prepared other ways your faith will wannish and you will be in danger. May JAHVEH bless you in His Son Jahshua.

 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:06 PM
42 .  In Islam Martyrdom is the only way to ensure salvation,
AND ENTER INTO HEAVEN,

Especially since Allah and his prophet Muhammad promised it.

AS THE QURAN STATES IT:

"DO NOT THINK OF WHOM ARE KILLED FOR THE CAUSE
OF ALLAH (in a holy war), TO BE DEAD,

BUT LIVING WITH THEIR LORD RECEIVING HIS BLESSING."

Sura: The Family of ''Imran
(''Al-''''Imran, verse 169)

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 1:54 PM
43 .  Jaroslav: Then he said to Jesus: "Lord, remember me...
when You come into Your kingdom."
Luke 23:42

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you
will be with Me in Paradise."
Luke 23:43

I know a man in Christ, who fourteen years ago- -whether
in the body I do not know...

or whether out of the body
I do not know...

God knows such a one was caught up to the third heaven...

And I know such a man- -whether in the body or out of the body...

I do not know, God knows-

how he was caught up
into Paradise and
heard inexpressible words,

which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
2 Cor. 12:2-4

Doesn''t sound like a place with everlasting sexual bliss and 72 virgins to me!

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 1:49 PM
44 .  Cg. No Jahshua did not lie but those who were putting coma
putting comas into Bible where they wished must have been liars. They confused lots of people like yourself for example. You were believing like me while you were JW. Then you went out and accepted some Babylonian teaching of hell and immortal souls and trinity and so on. There is saying "You swapped horse for a donkey". I think that suits you well. I do not know much about JW but there are certainly some good things they believe and practice.
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 1:41 PM
45 .  Dom read
besides Spurgeon


http://www.gracegems.org/Newton/John_Newton1.htm
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 11:43 AM
46 .  I can start a lot of wars
Gap theory along with Frued, Fromm, KJV only.... are my pet peeves.

Things that cause extreme irritation !

Fairy Tales


 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 11:11 AM
47 .  Do not worry I read way
to much!

Strike last comment.

Bless you !
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 11:04 AM
48 .  I got spurgeon but i dont read him Much
Hmmm...interesting
 
Dom   1/4/2009 10:54 AM
49 .  Obed 10: 15 I may not want to go here but..
Only one problem.The word restoration. Restored from what?

I hope and pray that this is not the "Gap" theory.

Thanks Cmo
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 10:30 AM
50 .  Obed thanks fo sharing
Hard to dispute the Baptist, the most faithful in difficult times.

This ancient document is the most excellent epitome of the things most surely believed among us. It is not issued as an authoritative rule or code of faith, whereby you may be fettered, but as a means of edification in righteousness. It is an excellent, though not inspired, expression of the teaching of those Holy Scriptures by which all confessions are to be measured. We hold to the humbling truths of God''s sovereign grace in the salvation of lost sinners. Salvation is through Christ alone and by faith alone."
C. H. Spurgeon

 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 10:17 AM
51 .  The Trinity at work.
There are numerous places in the OT e.g. Exo 3:18 5:3 Deu 1:19 Jos 2:11, etc. where we read of "the LORD our God".
The OT spells "LORD" in capitals for Jehovah, the Godhead and "God" for Elohim, the plural or Triune God.
In Genesis ch.1 we read that the Trinity were at work in the restoration of the earth. The Holy Spirit "moved upon the face of the waters" God, the Elohim said what needed to be done. The Words that He used was Jesus (Joh 1:1, the LOGOS or recorded Word of God).
How wonderful is His Word.
Soli Deo Gloria.
 
Obed   1/4/2009 10:15 AM
52 .  Obed Ya thats good..and sound

 
Dom   1/4/2009 10:15 AM
53 .  Of God and the Holy Trinity. Especially for
Jaroslav and whoever denies the Doctrine of the Trinity. This is an extract from the 1689 Confession of Faith. In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences (1 Joh 5:7) Mat 28:19 2 Cor 13:4) the Father, the Word or Son, and the Holy Spirit, of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the (Exo 3:14 Joh14:11 1 Cor 8:6) essence undivided: the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding the Son is (John 1:14,18) eternally begotten of the Father the Holy Spirit (Joh 15:26 Gal 4:6) proceeding from the Father and the Son all infinite without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our comm with God, and comfortable dependence on Him.
Sola Scriptura! Amen.
 
Obed   1/4/2009 9:59 AM
54 .  Post 7:55 am was to Jaroslav..I got ya ...
well then I apologize for the way I worded my post 8:06 am ....LOL:)

Confusion...
 
Dom   1/4/2009 8:31 AM
55 .  Typo corection.....Sorry
Jesus is NOT limited by time..........
 
Dom   1/4/2009 8:13 AM
56 .  i appreciate your lodgic
but Peter did not stutter, they were in bondage.......
Jesus is limited by time..sorry Bud
your trying to undo 1 Peter 3
the thief on the cross acknowledged Jesus as the Christ.
 
Dom   1/4/2009 8:06 AM
57 .  Last post to Jaroslav

 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 7:57 AM
58 .  Sorry Bud... my version fits scriptues
yours does not.

Today means today, a 24 hour time period. Jesus would not lie. If it was 2,000 years in the future I think He would have said "In 2,000 years you will be with me in paradise" !!

He does not play head games with time.

The thief and Jesus were in paradise that very day, and had communication.

Sorry I will believe Jesus over Jaroslav.

Now on to something else....

 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 7:55 AM
59 .  Dom continued
Luke 16: 25 "But Abraham said, ''Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things “but now he is being comforted here”, and you are in agony. ''And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.''
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 7:44 AM
60 .  Dom
They were restricted to a place but no bondage. When we believe upon Christ we are free from bondage, the wrath of God, etc. They were experiencing total bliss. I believe that God gave us the five senses to feel pleasure. These senses do not cease to function upon death. Lazarus was comforted. The rich man experienced torment, his senses were active, for why else would he cry out. The exhilaration and pleasure that you and I have when I experience the presence of God now, will be manifest to me 100 fold, and will be constant and consistent in the life to come !!! Hangin out with all the Old Testament saints would be pretty cool also !!!

25"But Abraham said, ''Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. ''And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to u
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 7:41 AM
61 .  To CmoGrued
were the people in Paradise in bondage?
 
Dom   1/4/2009 7:10 AM
62 .  Sorry, respect my opinion then
You may not care for what Carol, I don''t know much in the Word and never claim to know it all, but when i do pipe up, you can your bottom dollar I have studied it, meditated on it and got confirmation on it.
But at least i don''t shrug anybody off because i never seen it before.
He always replies to the women on here.
But when he can''t prove you wrong, he runs.
he is the guy in back of the church, always waiting to point something out that you said.
I see it every week at almost every church.
I dont care for people like that.
 
Dom   1/4/2009 6:44 AM
63 .  Charles Not interested in man''s opinion. Give me the Word of
God if you do have something. Other ways seek the truth which will set you free from the satan''s trap you may be in. I have found it and am very happy with it. Now it is your turn. Holy trinity is man''s fantasy (satan''s influence) which you will not find in the Word of God. Unless you will show the 1 John 5:7 which has been discarded by most Bible scholars and Bibles as an implant into the Bible. The only third person is satan who was excluded in the time of creation of this world and ever since he was rebellious against God and wants to be recognized as equal with God. Other ways Christ said it plainly in John 17:3.
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 6:33 AM
64 .  Dom, you are wrong about Eugene
No one here agrees with everyone else on everything. You ahve your opinion, I have mine, and Eugene has his. We are all entitled to our opinion. Please respect each of our rights to our own view of Scripture as we respect yours even if some of us don''t necessarily agree with them.

God bless



 
Carol P   1/4/2009 6:20 AM
65 .  Jaroslav
You should really read your bible before speaking . The Holy Trinity thing and now your soul will die with your flesh . You cannot co-mingle the Quran with the Holy Bible and come up with the WORD . Seek and you shall find . What are you seeking ?
 
Charles   1/4/2009 6:15 AM
66 .  see Eugene only replies to 4 people, he''s right
and everybody else is wrong. you see he hides behind that scripture. I read what he says, he never has anything with depth. I guess i don''t buy into the woe to me thing.
He is just an old legalism, and does nothing but judge others.
I got no use for him.
he will never tell you when your right, but he will always tell you when your wrong.
 
Dom   1/4/2009 6:10 AM
67 .  so CG " today, you will be with me in paradise"
sound much more true then any of that rant about immortal soul.

 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 5:42 AM
68 .  CG YOU WILL STEP INTO ETERNITY AT THE RESURECT.TIME III
Isaiah 26:19 "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead."
Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 5:39 AM
69 .  CG YOU WILL STEP INTO ETERNITY AT THE RESURECT. TIME II
whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not the Messiah raised: 15:17 And if the Messiah be not raised, your faith is vain ye are yet in your sins. 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in the Messiah are perished. 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in the Messiah, we are of all men most miserable. 15:20 But now is the Messiah risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in the Messiah shall all be made alive."
WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO SLEEP IN MESSIAH? "Then they also which are fallen asleep in the Messiah are perished." ARE THEY IMMORTAL SOULS? No THEY DIED AND SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH. IF THERE IS NO RESURRECTION THEY WILL BE GONE FOREVER.
Isaiah 26:19 "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the d
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 5:34 AM
70 .  CG YOU WILL STEP INTO ETERNITY AT THE RESURECTION TIME
Was it the first or second. Forget about this immortal soul which you can not find in the Bible. To find IT you will have to go to ancient Greece and further to go into paganism. Apostle Paul said that if there was no resurrection then there is no hope for us at all. Just live best you can and die. He did not say that soul will keep living. That is devil''s trick.
Eccles.12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth and the spirit will return to God who gave it. Gen.2:7 AMEN and AMEN to that.
1 Cor.15:12-22 is a good account what we are to hope for:"RESURRECTION"
15:12 Now if the Messiah be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is the Messiah not risen: 15:14 And if the Messiah be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of JAHVEH because we have testified of JAHVEH that he raised up the Messiah: whom he raised
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 5:29 AM
71 .  FOR G0D BRINGS DISASTER AS WELL AS PEACE
I have heard nothing that has shown me that G0d''s people have sought him in all this. To wait for him to direct them.....it is what our Lord has said from the beginning, he will bring the armies of the Nations against her Zech 14 then destroy them and reign upon this earth. Our King is coming.
 
WHY HAVEN''T THEY SOUGHT G0D IN ALLTHIS   1/4/2009 5:09 AM
72 .  The Quran and Moslem beliefs generally -
as distinct from its practices and rituals -

ARE BASED ALMOST ENTIRELY
ON THE VALUES
AND IDEAS OF THE TORAH.

There is nothing wrong in borrowing books, ideas, culture and knowledge.

THE WRONG COMES WHEN THE BORROWING IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED, RECOGNIZED
AND OR APPRECIATED (Rabbi Wein).

http://www.rabbiwein.com/

AUDIO MUST-LISTEN-TO: Parshat Vayigash

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/467

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:14 AM
73 .  The greatest book borrowers from the Jewish people...
have been the two other major monotheistic religions, Christianity and Islam.

Christianity borrowed the scalled
"Old Testament"
whole cloth from the Jews.

It is ironic in the extreme that
the gratitude shown by the borrower to the lender of this basis of monotheistic belief and worldview -

has been expressed in unending centuries of enmity,
discrimination and persecution.

While Islam never borrowed our book totally it certainly
borrowed its contents.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:10 AM
74 .  CmoGrued: God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE FROM ALL EVIL, with Your praise.

As the holy Sabbath is departing,
may this coming week BE ONE
OF COMPLETE FAITH, OF FAITH IN
THE SAGES,*

*The Tenth of Teves - A FAST FOR TORAH

http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/asarabteves/vol2no25.html

of love and attachment to good companions, of attachment to
the Creator, may He be praised,

OF BELIEF IN YOUR THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES,

http://www.ou.org/torah/rambam.htm

IN THE COMPLETE REDEMPTION, SPEEDILY IN OUR DAYS,

in the resurrection of the dead, and in the prophecy of Moses,
our Teacher, peace be upon him.

Master of the Universe, You are He Who gives strength to the weak.
Give Your beloved Jewish children strength to praise and to serve You, and none other.

May the week come for loving-kindness, for good luck, for blessing and success, for good health, for wealth and honor, for children, life and livelihood - for us and for ALL Israel. Amen.

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 4:07 AM
75 .  CmoGrued
I agree wirh you. there are many on this site that I do not respond to for that very reason. The difference as I see it is that Raymond has been brainwashed by someone. If he is just shown the facts maybe he wouldn''t be so adamount about KJV only. As I have said I have nothing against the KJV. The big problem is that when someone is that determined in their belief, most of the time they don''t read what you show them. Such as my post below at 1/3/2009 time 1:21 AM, 1:24 AM, and 1:29 AM. When he responds to these I will give more.
 
Eugene   1/4/2009 3:59 AM
76 .  PM EHUD OLMERT: "We want to see convoy after convoy...
of humanitarian support and we are willing to work closely with all relevant international parties to facilitate that goal,"

The government said Tuesday it was prepared to work with France and other governments on increasing aid flows into Gaza.

http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/1051234.html

Khaled Abdel Shaafi, director of the UN Development Program.

"It''s an economic crisis, a political crisis, but it''s not a humanitarian crisis. People aren''t starving," he said.

(Globe and Mail, Patrick Martin)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 3:53 AM
77 .  Eugene
There is a time to apply this

Romans 16:17
Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 3:40 AM
78 .  Fahimi Zidän: IDF COORDINATION CHIEF: There is...
no humanitarian crisis

"Hamas is trying to cre-ate the appearance of a humanitarian crisis,

but together with the international organizations, we are preventing this from happening," he said.

since Sunday over 330 trucks carrying food, medicine and medical supplies had been allowed into the Gaza Strip despite the daily rocket barrages against the South.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733138893&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

IDF Allows Humanitarian Supplies into Gaza

"As the prime minister said yesterday, we are not at
war with the Palestinian people, but with the Hamas terrorists,

and therefore we are bringing in the goods for the Palestinian people,"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129059

IDF: Hamas to Blame for Poor Medical Care

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129160

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/4/2009 3:35 AM
79 .  Eugene. OK. Show me.

 
Raymond   1/4/2009 3:14 AM
80 .  Wow.. God just spoke many magnificant
words to me and I could not see His lips moving ! !

Way cool !
 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 2:56 AM
81 .  Since I have one I can be called one, not wrong
Man Jesus spirit was aware
Mark 2:8
Immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit that they were reasoning that way within themselves, said to them, "Why are you reasoning about these things in your hearts?

Our spirit has will
Mark 14:38
" Keep watching and praying that you may not come into temptation the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

His spirit communicates to my spirit, does not take a mouth
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

Since I have one I can be called one!

 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 2:41 AM
82 .  Cmo Grued
Exactly! Thank you for your posts.

God bless
 
Carol P   1/4/2009 2:27 AM
83 .  Jaroslav... my position and understanding
Death is not the end of conscience, soul, spirit... only the body.

The day you eat you shall die. That very instant he bit into the fruit Adams spirit died. Ceased to communicate with God He became a walking dead man! Decay began leading to physical death.

Ephesians 2:1
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

walking dead people made alive when sins forgiven, spirit revived, it had to be dead to be made alive.

 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 2:25 AM
84 .  And this is the good news!!! The son of Hamas
leader became a christian (he lives in the USA). Halleluuuuuuuuuuujah!!!!!
 
Bert   1/4/2009 2:24 AM
85 .  The Hamas are hiding at this moment in the dark
between there crowded people, and of course tomorrow (sunday) the will claim victory to these crowds...

Go on my friends, we love you, find the (fourteen? rockets) the Hamas still fired moments ago...

Our mighty God goes with you, and find the rotten places.
foxnews. com
 
Bert   1/4/2009 2:23 AM
86 .  Pray...Many are stepping into eternity and yes
their soul spirit is very aware of their new home!

Mathew 13:41-42 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 2:14 AM
87 .  CG "How could Jesus die and preach to the spirits in prison?
What was this earth to satan and his angels? Was it a prison? Were they spirits? How many places in the Bible you can find that men are addressed as spirits?
As Christ preached to men when he was man or Son of Man would it be fair enough to believe that He would be preaching to spirits, fallen angels when He was still Spirit?
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:14 AM
88 .  Dom... No Problemo!

 
CmoGrued   1/4/2009 2:07 AM
89 .  Raymond
I can show you over and over again from historians, not KJV only scholars, that the KJV is not the perfect that you insist it is. Yes it is a good bible, but others are too. To compare other bibles to the KJV you must assume that the KJV s consistently correct in everything. It is not.
 
Eugene   1/4/2009 2:07 AM
90 .  Sorry -I''m careless sometimes: THESE moments

 
Bert   1/4/2009 2:06 AM
91 .  Dom agree with your coment 6.09 PM Amen to that.
God''s love is extending to every soul on this planet. Worst of all are those who look into Gospel every day and keep twisting simple truth believing fables and Babylonian mysteries. There will be those who will claim that they were doing miracles in Jashua''s name but will be shamed by Him.
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 2:05 AM
92 .  In this moments our friends are invading in the
(yet) silent night... http://www.road90.com/
 
Bert   1/4/2009 2:04 AM
93 .  To CmoGrued sorry I had missed something you wrote
I think we are thinking the same here...If i got you right.
again sorry.
I''ve seen a lot of people beaten with Word over this subject.
 
Dom   1/4/2009 1:59 AM
94 .  Cracked nut thanks for coming back.
Point is that we die as God said we will. Point is to believe what God said rather then to believe satan''s lies. Children of satan follow his teachings and lies in more then immortal soul subject. That is why you need to learn the truth for the truth will set you free from his grip.If one does not accept The Gift from JAHVEH which is in His Son that yes that person will die not only first death which we all have to go through but ill suffer the second death after second resurrection when death and hades will be thrown into the lake of fire. Do you read your Bible? I hate to keep repeating verses over and over and some will just keep coming with same questions which are so plainly answered in The Bible. Rev.20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of JAHVEH and of Messiah, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
If there was no resurrection (first and second) you would be dead forever.
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 1:50 AM
95 .  Charles Have I got a soul? No, I am a soul. 100% living soul
as long as I am alive. When I die then breath of life+Spirit of God(God in me 1 John 4:15) in me goes back where it came from, back to God. My body goes to grave(hell) and soul seas to exist. That is how man become living soul in the beginning (in reverse) process Genes.2:7 clay+spirit(breath)=living soul. Now if you want to believe to satan then please go ahead. He said to Eve "you surely shell not die. I believe God who said "You shell surely die" The wages of sin is death" Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of JAHVEH is eternal life through Jahshua the Messiah our Saviour.
 
Jaroslav   1/4/2009 1:31 AM
96 .  Let us pray for the young Israelis in the dark...

 
Bert   1/4/2009 1:02 AM
97 .  Amplified will soon be Exposed

 
Raymond   1/4/2009 12:58 AM
98 .  Jar-o-nuts
#1 you said, ''Immortal soul is just one more satan''''s deception ''
SO..........is the immortal soul is just one more of satan''s deceptions, WHAT''S THE POINT????? If you believe we just die & there is nothing else, then you are basically athiest. If there is no soul, no eternal reward or punishment, then what would it matter if ther is a GOD or not??? Get a grip, man!!

#2 you said, ''What would the whole world do to Palestinians?'' Really, must you ask?: NOT A BLOOMING THING because satan rules this world, and the palistinians are his followers.
 
Nut Cracker   1/4/2009 12:55 AM
99 .  And, Israel and Europe...
I jusy heard VERY GOOD NEWS!!

Sarkozy the Frenchman is gone now, and the new Europe -presidentship of Tjechie (this land has the €uro now as well) has said that they ''see the (ground)actions of ISRAEL as DEFENSIVE and not as an offensive action''! That is refreshing.

At the contrerary, a ''smell of death'' came to me when I saw a demonstration of 25 anti-Israel groups in Amsterdam today (e.g. the Dutch Palestina Commitee, the Council of Marocco Mosques, and ''Aother Jewish Sound''?!).
 
Bert, Holland   1/4/2009 12:48 AM
100 .  GREAT ANSWER DOM, THANK YOU

 
  1/4/2009 12:47 AM
101 .  this verse got cut off on romans
Rom 2:15-16
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another )

16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
KJV

 
Dom   1/4/2009 12:35 AM
102 .  Islam. The truth about muslims.
The muslim world wants to drive gas prices up so they can
buy more box cutters so they can kill more people who are
not muslims. We must remember that Islam is a peaceful
religion. Ya, right.
 
  1/4/2009 12:34 AM
103 .  Israel and Hamas
the IDF has entered Gaza to crush Hamas. Let''s hope and pray for protection from God.
And that Hamas would see that violence and hatred is not a way of life.
Shalom from Holland

 
Dik-Holland   1/4/2009 12:22 AM
104 .  To CmoGrued
But he was speaking about something specific here. 1 peter 3:16 -24.
dont discredit what the Word says here,
He was speaking of those before the law and grace. Its plain about this.
you cant read 3:16-24 without this.

1 Peter 4:6
6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV


And what about all the people who died who did not here the Gospel, they all just went to hell?
Come On!
You''re dancing around what it says.
 
Dom   1/4/2009 12:20 AM
105 .  Wisely spoken Scot 1/3/2009 11:37 PM

 
  1/4/2009 12:02 AM
106 .  the husband of so called ''palestine" ( which never existed)
"palestines" husband is the son of Ishamel. Wild donkey and foul .
The false spirit of mohammed and the sun drenched mind of the pagan caves of Arabia got to him and now are still getting to this individual and so many others.
We need to pray for them and all the Muslim world that they will see the Jehovah and "allah" are not the same.
Baruch Hasem!
 
Scot   1/3/2009 11:37 PM
107 .  post Proverb 18:2 1/3/2009 8:44 PM was adressed to PH

 
  1/3/2009 11:23 PM
108 .  continued
And if the versions’ use of pronouns confuses, then a version that repeats noun is the one the reader should . I have no problem understanding the object of 1 Timothy 3:16 in NIV, NASV. The object is obvious… God!

CmoGrued compiled pure doctrine based on passing basic English in School.
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 11:14 PM
109 .  Hi Bert
Thanks, I have found that believers who love prophecy seem to be a little more intense!

Debates with respect. Easy to get ugly when others do not know where you are. I am learning.

I just hate hysteria used instead of truth when defending positions.

NIV vrs. KJV is the greatest example. Understanding why and how translators arrived at word choice is a great study. Too many jump to conclusions regarding motives! Since my first desire was to become a translator, I have always understood their motives based on choice of manuscripts. That is where the argument should originate from. Choice of manuscripts. Nothing was "removed". The words were not in the early dated manuscripts chosen for compilation. The translators were being faithful to the manuscripts chosen! Not intentional omitting to false doctrine! That is hysteria, and lies! I desire arguments to be based on truth.
And if the versions’ use of pronouns confuses, then a version that repeats noun is the one the reader should . I
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 11:13 PM
110 .  palestines Husbands mother is a goat.

 
  1/3/2009 10:59 PM
111 .  Palestines Husband. still wearing your mothers underwear?

 
  1/3/2009 10:55 PM
112 .  CmoGrued God knows what He is doing for ALL people.

I appreciate your gentle response to what appeared to be judgment.
 
Barbara Kay   1/3/2009 10:14 PM
113 .  Charles sorry
did not see your post. couldn''t figure out what Jar was refering.

Good Points ! Amen !
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 10:04 PM
114 .  Thank you CmoGrued
Even at the death of Jesus, such power was released that death lost its grip on its captives.
Jesus was not the first person physically raised from the dead, but He was the first person begotten from the dead to never die again!

Now these saints were marching on...
(resurrected with their glorified bodies to never die again?... we can only guess at the effect this must have had.
 
Bert   1/3/2009 9:57 PM
115 .  Charles 1/3/2009 5:42 PM You need to speak much more.
That was excellent. Thank you.
 
Barbara Kay   1/3/2009 9:56 PM
116 .  The king of fool''s
myself !

True a fool has no understanding, and this I was, and you also.

But God''s persist pursuit of CmoGrued paid off.

Eventually His words preached by others broke my heart, and led to change.
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:58 PM
117 .  continued
Thus the proclamation “Today you will be with me in paradise” was proof of this fact. He was in paradise hanging with Abraham, King David, the thief, and others! The One that they were “looking forward to”,… stopped and paid a visit!! When paradise was opened many were allowed to be reunited with their bodies and preached in the streets of Jerusalem! Mathew 27: 52-53 “The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.”
So Peter in 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 knew these events and used them to prove his point about suffering and doing of good.

 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:44 PM
118 .  A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing
his own heart.


 
Proverb 18:2   1/3/2009 8:44 PM
119 .  My turn... Jaroslav 1 Peter Chapter 3 and 4
My explanation of the text is this Peter is calling the church to endure suffering as Christ endured suffering.

The point of the text is that in the midst of suffering, Christ did not cease doing good. He did not cower down, curl up in a ball, becoming a little baby whining that everybody hated Him.

Instead on the cross He suffered, experienced separation from the Father, paid the penalty for sin, and preached to those in paradise. His soul went to the place where old testament saints were awaiting heaven to be opened, by Christ placing His blood on the alter in heaven. His flesh and blood in the grave, His soul and spirit in paradise. In Luke is the story of the beggar Lazarus in being in Abraham’s bosom, and the rich man suffering in torment. Hell was two compartments, place of torment and place of rest. A “chasm” separating the two. Luke 16:19-31 describes this place where Jesus was going to meet the thief. Jesus had an appointment to preach in paradise and knew it before he died. Thus the
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:42 PM
120 .  Hey Israel Fuck!! I am at my house........
and my IP address is 216.9.210.183.
I just wanted to say that my wedding bracelet is the most powerful bracelet in the world. I use it to pound my pud in the Jew Fuck history section in the main branch public library in Jacksonville Florida. Now Jew Fuck bend over and let me fuck you in the ass as I chant A Yeah We You. Hhhaaaoooo!!! Shit! A Yeah We You!
 
Palestines Husband   1/3/2009 7:59 PM
121 .  1 Peter 4:6… For this reason the gospel was preached
also to those who dead…

but maybe they weren''t dead at the moment when the gospel was preached ?



 
  1/3/2009 7:47 PM
122 .  thats not an attack thats just a question. thanks for answer

 
  1/3/2009 7:42 PM
123 .  Question to 1 Peter 4:
Isn''t it possible that the meaning is: that the Gospel was preached to those who are now dead ?
 
  1/3/2009 7:35 PM
124 .  Jar Altering the word
to support your beliefs is not a fair tactic.

I give explainations of how I believe we need to interpret the texts to understand the puzzle that God has given us. I let the text form my belief structure, for the texts are from God.

You have believed upon a doctrine, and then mold and massage God''s Word to make it work. This tampering with God''s Word does not bother you. That is what is called a seered consience. No regret or remorse for actions. This is walking in darkness. And is what I use to do. I went door to door selling an alterd Word of God. Thanfully I repented.
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 7:27 PM
125 .  As for the resurrection, I believe what Paul says
Ac 24:15: But this I confess to you that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the death both of the just and the unjust.
 
  1/3/2009 7:18 PM
126 .  Hello Jim Borge 10:11 post
Yes the JW''s teach this also. It is interesting to note how similar these two non-Christian cults are. The only difference is the way they spell the name for God. It’s like going to Southern Baptist vs. National Baptist.

Oh for Jars sake and others when I said I had attended and Pastored in four different denoms... I will restate to make clearer... I pastored in 1 denom and attended three others and JW. Not trying to boast, just used to show experience. We all know that if we are commended for using magnificent words, we are grateful to the source of those words which is the Word.

 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 7:06 PM
127 .  I agree with Jim Borge - 10:11 AM/10:20AM

 
  1/3/2009 6:46 PM
128 .  Now you can''t tell me
All who have died and never heard the Gospel, don''t have a chance....Get out of here.
 
Dom   1/3/2009 6:18 PM
129 .  Now do you see that Eugene?

 
Dom   1/3/2009 6:13 PM
130 .  Harretz Article
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051317.html
 
Observer   1/3/2009 6:13 PM
131 .  Now here is what i am sayng
If they died unlearned of the Gospel.
Jesus said, If you saw me you have seen the Father..Right?
Then since, Jesus was crucified....and they saught a higher power, ( recognized that there was a cre-at-or.
And sought G-d, then they sought Jesus.
 
Dom   1/3/2009 6:09 PM
132 .  now for people who have died in the past
in jungles, and isolated places, how can they obtain heaven? Let me show you something.

John 14:6-10
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
KJV



 
Dom   1/3/2009 6:01 PM
133 .  There will be a few that will not come by way of the Gospel
Rom 2:7-10
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile

10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
KJV

Rom 2:11-16
11For there is no respect of persons with God.

12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, thei
 
Dom   1/3/2009 5:55 PM
134 .  Romans
Rom 2:7-10
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile

10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
KJV

 
Dom   1/3/2009 5:51 PM
135 .  read 1 Peter 4:6

 
Dom   1/3/2009 5:47 PM
136 .  before the Law and before grace
1 Peter 4:6
6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

It wa not where he defeated Satan, he did that at the cross....But they had another chance, not me you . But them before the Law.
 
Dom   1/3/2009 5:43 PM
137 .  Jarsolav
Have you not a soul ? Are you just an animated piece of meat . All men have souls that will go on and their flesh is just a vehicle for it , so that the soul can articulate the the will of the soul . The flesh that we cherish so much is also our prison . When the flesh can no longer sustain life the prison door opens . We are not judged by our bodies actions but our soul . Also the 144,000 will preach here on earth while the wrath is being poured out even though its too late for those people . Gods wisdom is not our wisdom .
 
Charles   1/3/2009 5:42 PM
138 .  Dom.
You are confused. Why do you twist things?
 
  1/3/2009 5:33 PM
139 .  I''ll stop right there and wait for my stoning to begin

 
Dom   1/3/2009 2:54 PM
140 .  18-19 this a problem for Fire & Brimstne preachers
1 Peter 3:19-20
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison

why did he preach to the Dead?

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

Eight were saved by water..Hmmm
Just what could that be saying?

 
Dom   1/3/2009 2:50 PM
141 .  Innocent blood shed for the unrighteous
and raised by the Spirit

1 Peter 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
KJV


 
Dom   1/3/2009 2:41 PM
142 .  & 17 IF the will of G-d be so
1 Peter 3:17
17For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
KJV

Persecution vs Judgment
In or out of the will of G-d
 
Dom   1/3/2009 2:34 PM
143 .  Indoing G-ds will 1 Peter 3:16
1 Peter 3:16
16Having a good conscience that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
KJV

 
Dom   1/3/2009 2:27 PM
144 .  TC and just imagine if Palestinians are stronger militarily
then Israel and if they would bomb Israel and kill 500 or more innocent people, civilians. What would the whole world do to Palestinians? What would USA do to them? I guess they would be isolated in very short time. The economy and trade would be isolated in no time. Sanctions would follow just like it happened before to Iraq and Iran and all other who do not bend their knees to USA. If that would not work then military action would follow. What would Christ call those people? Is it something like "Hypocrites"?

 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 1:35 PM
145 .  GOD BLESS YOU TC

 
  1/3/2009 1:00 PM
146 .  Never mind all this insular........
twittering at each other in a forum probably read only by it''s contributors, anyway. Today the streets of the United Kingdom will be flooded by those who seek to murder and denigrate the people of Israel.
Yet again the murderous Islamic fundamentalists in our midst will be flooding our ''democratic'' streets with placards of hatred against the Jews – encouraged by the almost anti-Semitic bigotry of people like Annie Lennox. All in support of fellow murderers in Hamas whose sole aim is the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people in their struggle against this new and even more sinister Islamic fascism.
If you really want to make your voices heard then flood the UK media (TV, newspapers, radio etc) today via every possible avenue of contact, with your protests and with the alternative perspective on what is actually going on.
And send copies of your protests to the UK Israeli Embassy to show solidarity with their cause and to encourage them that they are not alone.
 
TC   1/3/2009 12:27 PM
147 .  Borge welcome back. II
Well if both of them died, yes they will be with the Lord Messiah for between their death and resurrection will be like flipping the finger. For them it will be like if they laid down in the evening and waken up in the morning so being with The Lord after they died is no problem. We all who trust God will be with The Lord with Messiah at the resurrection. No matter how much time will pass between death and resurrection. It will be like nothing, like minutes or seconds.

 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 12:02 PM
148 .  Borge welcome back. You write to me indirectly so I will
reply to you directly.
I thought you do not love me any more. Yes as I said there were no comas before till cultist Babylonians translators of Bibles put them in. So what are you justifying now? That they put coma correctly in case before TODAY? If you believe Babylonian teachings then it is correct for you same as trinity is and hell and immortal soul. Immortal soul is just one more satan''s deception with which he deceived many. Same like you will not find trinity in The Bible you will not find immortal soul. What God d God can always destroy. That is why man is mortal soul. You believe satan rather then God. Better check your theology. As for Jonah saying: "It is better for me to die and be with the Lord (Jonah 4:3) apostle Paul said similar in Philippians 1:23 " For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart (to die), and to be with the Messiah which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you".
Well if both of them died, yes they will be with the Lord
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 11:58 AM
149 .  Hear, O Israel:JAHVEH is our Elohim, JAHVEH is one
John1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with JAH, and the Word was Jah". Two persons however. God and Son of God.

 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 10:58 AM
150 .  Hear, O Israel:JAHVEH is our Elohim, JAHVEH is one II
Jews rather then altering their behaviour towards holiness altered God''s Holy name to suit their sinful nature. There are few even now who go in their funny way in writing G-d like if GOD was the Name of God. Maybe that is touching superstition already?
Now to answer your question about which one is correct pronunciation or even spelling of God''s Name I would say what matters more is what is in your heart. If you are calling in sincerity Jehovah or if you are calling JAHVEH or YAHWEH it is all same. I personally believe it is JAHVEH(YAHWEH) same pronunciation but different spelling, one is European the other is English. Why I believe Jahveh is correct, because we know that first part of The Name is correct in HaleluJah(Praise Jah) If you are worried that by mispronunciation you will use God''s Name in vain then you can safely settle on JAH. What is interesting is that Son''s Name starts with same three letters. JAHshua (Jahveh''s Salvation). So here is your answer to "mystery" of John1:1 "In the beginnin
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 10:55 AM
151 .  Hear, O Israel:JAHVEH is our Elohim, JAHVEH is one
Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: JAHVEH is our Elohim, JAHVEH is one.
CG. Jews hidden The name of God in fear that they are sinful. Rightly so. We all are sinful. If only sinless people did have a chance to call God by His Holy Name then no one would ever do, except Adam before he sinned and Jahshua (second Adam). Even our best deeds are like filthy rags before Him. Thanks to Jahshua, The Lamb of God all can come in. All have a chance to be saved. John 3:16. Only those who reject God''s gift of salvation which is in His Son will be rejected at the end, including Jews. What was left for us in Hebrew Bibles was part of God''s Name, Tetragrammaton. They removed out all vowels from God''s True and Forever Holy Name.Exodus 3:15. Surely God did not say to Moses: "Tetragrammaton is my Name forever". Moses knew God''s name and so did first people, sons of Adam well before Moses, Gen.4:26. However trough the men''s wickedness and punishment they received, people did forget God''s Name. Jews rather then altering their beh
 
Jaroslav, reply to CG about JAHVEH   1/3/2009 10:52 AM
152 .  2 Cor. 5:8
"We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord"

The Apostle Paul
 
Jim Borge   1/3/2009 10:20 AM
153 .  Greetings, CmoGrued,
nice try with Jar. He is adept at twisting Scripture to make it read as HE wants it to read, as you know already. Now he is placing commas where they do not belong to twist the meaning. Commas are not found in the original Greek. Cultists are expert at twisting Bible Truth. I also see the false doctrine of "soul sleep" has reared its ugly head. Do the JW''s believe in this teaching?
 
Jim Borge   1/3/2009 10:11 AM
154 .  CG Yes it is not fair to put comas wherever you like
I agree with that. However that is what thy have done. If they believed that dead are not dead and made God liar and satan true then they put coma before "today" and eureka. Here is yet another mystery of Babylon. Dead are not really dead but they have immortal souls.They are alive. God said: "Soul which sins shell die". God also said:"You shell surely die" then satan came and said:"you shell not surely die..." Whom do you believe?


 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 9:56 AM
155 .  Well CG you were pastoring four churches and you do not know
that? You should be teaching me the truth not other way around.
It is too late to preach to dead ones. If we do not preach to them now while they are alive it is too late to do it after they are dead. Isn''t it? Please have a look 2 Tim.4:1-7
4:1 I charge thee therefore before , and the Master the Messiah, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom
4:2 Preach the word be instant in season, out of season reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 9:20 AM
156 .  Fair Sword Fight
Well if you can put comma''s where ever you want to alter the meaning (paradise)... change and put other words in text that are not there... say dead really means alive...then its not a "fair sword fight". Can''t alter the text for it has been handed down to us, no matter what translation you have. If its not in the manuscripts you cannot .

Or you have to produce the manuscripts to authenticate.
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:47 AM
157 .  Post 8:07
Where did you get that rendition of 1 Peter 3:18-22 ?

That is worse than the New World Translation !!
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:37 AM
158 .  Who in the tarnation is Charles?!?!

 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:26 AM
159 .  Set me off
slaughtered that sentence!
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:24 AM
160 .  Charles Please have a look my answer to CG
regarding preaching to spirits and resurection before 1000 years. I think The Bible explains itself quet well.
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 8:22 AM
161 .  O come on !!!
Thats not whit says, it says... preach to the "DEAD" !!! not the alive !!
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:18 AM
162 .  O k if thats how you want to explain that one
What about the other why do it?

How can you preach to the dead if they can''''t hear you? Explain the following text.

1 Peter 4:6
For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:15 AM
163 .  CG Preaching to those who are dead was done while they were
still alive. After they are dead it is too late for them.
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 8:14 AM
164 .  By which...
by which also he went and preached ... the "by which" in the english language means same event
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 8:11 AM
165 .  CG Where did you get that Christ went to preach II
Where can you find that men are spirits in the Bible? Nowhere at all. We are mortal flesh and blood beings and not spirits. Christ was preaching to fallen angels while He was Spiritual being Himself before He become man like one of us.When He died His spirit went to JAHVEH and His body went to grave, tomb or hell if you like. He was dead.
Praise be to God for the resurrection other ways when you die you would be dead forever. Hope you will have a part in first resurrection before the 1000 year Kingdom of God. Rev.20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of JAHVEH and of Messiah, and shall reign with him a thousand years." Priest of whom? The priests of JAHVEH and of Messiah. Are you going to be one?

 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 8:10 AM
166 .  CG Where did you get that Christ went to preached Gospel
after His death?
Please have a look at this text in 1 Peter 3:18-22
3:18 For Messiah also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to JAHVEH , being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison
3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of JAHVEH waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward JAHVEH, by the resurrection of Jahshua the Messiah:
3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of JAHVEH angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."
Christ went to preach to spirits in prison:"3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison " Where can you find that men are spirits in the Bi
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 8:07 AM
167 .  Jaroslav how could Jesus
How could Jesus die and preach to the spirits in prison?

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison

 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 7:40 AM
168 .  Jaroslav got post turned around
I forgot to finish the first. Before you answer the last Q.

How can you preach to the dead if they can''t hear you? Explain the following text.

1 Peter 4:6
For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

How could Jesus die and preach to the spirits in prison?

1 Peter 3:18-20



 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 7:38 AM
169 .  CG You already know the answer. Dead know nothing. II
Same process we will experience at our resurrection. Do you believe in that? After resurrection, Christ said to Mary :"Touch me not for I have not entered my Father yet". Only later on He said to Thomas :" Touch me for the spirit does not have flesh and bones". Which means that He presented Himself to God and His sacrifice was accepted-He was The Lamb of God who took away our sins. Paradise will still have to wait for a while. Perhaps not that long? Hope we all will be there.

 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 7:27 AM
170 .  So Jaroslav
Who has the correct spelling of יהוה (YHWH). You or the Jehovah''s Witnesses. His God''s Name Jehovah, Yawheh, or Jahveh? And if a JW calls on the Jehovah, and its really pronounced Jahveh are they toast? Or the other way around, you call on the name Jahveh and its really Jehovah are you toast? What if everyone is wrong and its pronounced Yuhewah is everybody screwed?
Remember there ar no vowels in the Hebrew יהוה .

 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 7:26 AM
171 .  To Charles Great Point
I wouldn''t wonder on it to much..thats scripture....We Americans are arrogant when it comes to this issue...like any of our decisions wont come at a cost.
we are right where we are supposed to be....________ The Great!
But we have a promise....Amen!
 
Dom   1/3/2009 6:46 AM
172 .  Jaroslav
Christ went quite literally to hell for our sins and preached the Gospel after His death . If we die before He returns we will sleep through the 1000 year reign untill we are called .
 
Charles   1/3/2009 6:34 AM
173 .  Zechariah 14 verse 12
The eyes tongue and flesh consume away while you stand is a statement of a plague that works very fast . An atomic bomb works just like the plague described . Israel has nukes and will use them . One city called Damascus will find this out soon . God may do this Himself or use the means provided to Israel by Him . What worries me is that Ezekiel 38 & 39 tells of sending fire on those that dwell carelessly in the Isles . If we turn against Israel as our leadership has been doing where does that leave us ?
 
Charles   1/3/2009 6:15 AM
174 .  I thank you for you effort, Eugene. Great,
The just live by faith, and all that proceeds from the mouth of God.

I wondered at the English word..believe. Everyone says they...believe.

Then I read in the New Testament Greek expository dictionary, that to believe means to: trust in, adhere to, rely on...Jesus christ.

The extreme mental assent in religion, is light years from walking with Jesus Christ.

And love in Greek has three meanings, which blow away our American jargon "I love your shoes", "I love your hat" then,.,,"I love you."

Jesus asked Peter..Do you love Me. Peter answers, you know I love you, Lord.

Different meanings of the word love were being used...phileo, agape''. Vastly different. Only the Spirit of God can make HIS interpretations, and HIS true meaning real IN US.
 
Barbara Kay   1/3/2009 6:14 AM
175 .  CG You already know the answer. Dead know nothing.
If there would be no resurrection they would be gone, dead forever. I am sure since you were pastoring four different churches that you know different opinions and explanations about (,) which make a difference when that "you will be with me in paradise" applies to. Luk 23:43 "And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you(,) today(,) you will be with Me in Paradise". If you put coma after TODAY then the sentence has totally different meaning then if coma is before. I believe there were no comas when that text was written and I believe the man will be in paradise with Messiah whom he believed in comes again. Till then He is dead in the dust of the earth waiting resurrection same as all who have died. When Christ died what happened there. He breathed His last and Spirit went back to God and body was buried in the tomb. Was Jahshua in paradise? No. He was dead in the tomb, till resurrection. At the resurrection The Spirit of God came to Christ (soul) body and He was made alive again. Same process we will experience
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 6:12 AM
176 .  The War



http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=1795.0
 
Anonymous, uk   1/3/2009 5:30 AM
177 .  No "palestinian" ever existed -the land is Israel''s
FAHIMI:
I have read the Quaran.
I don''t LIKE to assume but I shall in this case. I ASSUME you have read the Bible.
ASSUMIN that you have, then you will realize that the COVENANT may or may not be important to you.
Ishmael was promised to be the father of many nations and he is.
That said, the SPIRITUAL inheritance is through Abraham and Sarah NOT Abraham and Haggar.
To those who accuse any Christian or Jew of being "high handed"
I would ask, just how long would one tolerate rockets coming into town year after year after year?
Hamas agenda: Pray, Coffee, Rockets, Pray , propaganda,teach children to hate ALL Jews and target civilians as a "just cause" for
"allah"
Enough already!
They knew this was coming!
It is typical thug mentality to hide behind your children and then ask the world to be "outraged" because someone is calling your bluff.
Land for peace does not work!
Israel will STRIKE and STRIKE.
"palestine" is a myth-never existed as a nation or people.
Arab
 
Scot   1/3/2009 4:28 AM
178 .  ben of texas, If you fear highhandedness ,
I can not find the slander you quote in my Qur’an. Though I would recommend this book to anyone interested in a better life. Especially jews that are tired of the lies and inhumanity in the talmud.
As a reader of the Qur''an in several languages, I have found this translation of the Qur''an to be an outstanding one and the best English translation available at this time for the common reader. I hope there will be future editions of this particular translation with the Arabic text side by side, and hopefully with commentaries on the finer vocabulary and grammatical aspects of the original Arabic in such a future bi-lingual edition. If you are considering reading a translation of the Qur''an in English, you absolutely need a copy of this translation before anything else. Thank you Mr. Abdel Haleem, and thank you Oxford University Press for a great printing job, although a hard-bound copy would be very nice to have too.
 
Fahimi Zidan   1/3/2009 3:32 AM
179 .  Jaroslav
Well said through the dross or impurities. Cheers.) He was numbered with the transgressors.
 
.)   1/3/2009 3:31 AM
180 .  3:13
Actually, I''m pretty happy and at peace, now. I can look at descrepancies like this and under stand why they exsist. I can read TNK and understand it instead of making lame excuses about why it doesn''t jive with the xtian text.

I''m also happily married with a wonderful son, and I''m darn good-looking on top of it !
 
captaindawg   1/3/2009 3:22 AM
181 .  cap dwg, you really are
a very sad, bitter excuse for a human being. Nothing more to be said.
 
  1/3/2009 3:13 AM
182 .  cmo
because the pagans who wrote the xtian scriptures believed that kind of BS, so they said the jeezer said it. They were aparentlly were not familiar with Solomon.
 
captaindawg   1/3/2009 1:57 AM
183 .  On the cross at the death of Jesus
So when Jesus told the thief on the cross today you shall be with me in Paradise. I assume that after they died they went to paradise. Were they consciously aware of each other? Could the thief communicate with Jesus? Why did say that they would be together?
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 1:44 AM
184 .  Sorry for the double post
This should put to rest wheather or not the KJV was only from the original Greek and Hebrew text. It wasn''t. I know that it won''t put it to rest though. Some are just to brainwashed.
 
Eugene   1/3/2009 1:29 AM
185 .  A statement ( cont. 2)
It is unfortunate that the unwise economy which has been too often observed in reprinting the Scriptures should have, in the common editions, omitted the Translators'' Address to the Reader though it must be allowed that that address by no means acknowledges the full extent of the obligations which the revisers were under to earlier labourers in the same field. The reason of this silence was that the older translations were in every man''s hands, and the fact that the new edition was but an adaptation of them was too notorious to need to be stated in detail but it is nevertheless singular that not one of the former English versions should have been referred to by name. The revisers content themselves with this general statement: "We never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against that hath beene our endeavour, that our m
 
Eugene   1/3/2009 1:25 AM
186 .  A statement (cont)
not justly to be excepted against that hath beene our endeavour, that our marke." And most successful were they in attaining to that mark, in embodying in their revision the result of the labors of many generations and of hundreds of scholars, and in making it a summing-up of the linguistic equations solved in three centuries of Biblical exposition, an anthology of all the beauties developed in the language during its whole historical existence.
 
Eugene   1/3/2009 1:24 AM
187 .  A statement from the revisors of the Bibles
to the 1611 KJV: It is unfortunate that the unwise economy which has been too often observed in reprinting the Scriptures should have, in the common editions, omitted the Translators'' Address to the Reader though it must be allowed that that address by no means acknowledges the full extent of the obligations which the revisers were under to earlier labourers in the same field. The reason of this silence was that the older translations were in every man''s hands, and the fact that the new edition was but an adaptation of them was too notorious to need to be stated in detail but it is nevertheless singular that not one of the former English versions should have been referred to by name. The revisers content themselves with this general statement: "We never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against that hath beene our ende
 
Eugene   1/3/2009 1:21 AM
188 .  Cmo We are mortals and when we die then just as
you said. Spirit, breath goes to God and flesh goes to hell (grave) where it rests till resurection.
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 1:12 AM
189 .  Cap and Rebekah True Christians do not consider God''s Law
to be a rubbish. Neither has Paul suggested any of that in your chosen text (Phil. 3:8)
In fact if you look what Paul said in other books like in Romans 6:1, 11, 15 Rom.7:12 and so on then you will see that Paul was teaching that Law of God should be uplifted even when we are not saved by law. Law is good for one thing only. To show you Cap and you Rebekah how sinful you are. We all are short to be saved by Law. If it is possible then there would have not been a need for sacrifice of The Son of God. Now Rebekah said that God does not require blood sacrifice. Well no, not of goats and rams for that has been done away by Jahshua''s sacrifice once for all. Why Jews do not have sacrifices any more? It is nearly 2000 years since they were gone and will never be again. At least God will not accept any. Talk to you later. Have a blessed Sabbath.

 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 1:07 AM
190 .  Fahimi Zidan Quran says:4:34 If you fear highhandedness ,
from your wives,remind them,then ignore them when you go to bed,then HIT THEM.[MAS Adbel Haleem , the Qur''an,Oxford UP,2004] THIS hadith shows muhammad hitting his girl bride,Aisha,daughter of Abu Bakr: Muslim no.2127:
 
Ben from Texas   1/3/2009 1:05 AM
191 .  Fahimi Zidan,Quranic Sharia Law and SLAVERY
Muslim men were allowed to have sex anytime with female slaves Sura 4:3,4:29,33:49 Slaves are as helpless before their masters as idols are before god Sura 16:77 According to Islam,a Muslim could not be put to death for murdering a SLAVE,Ref.Jalalayn confirms this.. The testimony of SLAVES is not admissible in court..IBN TIMIYYA AND Bukhari state this.. I could go on but I''M not going to do your homework on this one..
 
Ben from Texas   1/3/2009 12:53 AM
192 .  cmo
ecc8
8There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
 
  1/3/2009 12:48 AM
193 .  cmo
ecc 9
5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward for the memory of them is forgotten.
 
  1/3/2009 12:46 AM
194 .  Jaroslav so when I die...
what did you say happens to my soul, and spirit? Is everything black, no thoughts? Total unconsciousness?
 
CmoGrued   1/3/2009 12:25 AM
195 .  Fahimi Zidan,The Quranic Sharia Laws[APOSTASY= DEATH]
004.o88 YUSUFALI:They but wish that ye reject Faith,as they do,and thus be on the same footing:But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of allah.But if they turn renegades,seize them and SLAY them wherever ye find them and take no friends or helpers from their ranks
 
Ben from Texas   1/3/2009 12:20 AM
196 .  "The messenger" that is what satan wants and
those who blindly follow him as his advocates. Some of them claim to be Christians too.
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 12:14 AM
197 .  Fahimi Well said and it is a good point for those who only
look at things from one side and neglect the other. I suppose if Israeli would be in the same situation for that long then they would made their own home made rockets and would be firing them into Palestine. One thing about all that is that God knows it all and sees it all. Soon He will have to do something when people are not able to do it themselves. Perhaps God will send Messiah to Palestinians before He will come to Israel?
 
Jaroslav   1/3/2009 12:10 AM
198 .  Let the world''s Armageddon begin.
Let the world''s Armageddon begin. Bomb the Hell out of the Palestinians, and have the Russians and Chinese bomb the Hell out of Israel. Dominoing the effect, the United States and Europe will bomb the Hell out of Russia and China. This will start Armageddon and the begining of the end of our Civilization. Lets destroy ourselves, why not, men love war.
 
The Messenger   1/3/2009 12:10 AM
199 .  Israelageddon
1.5 million Palestinians are inside Israelageddon occupied Gaza, which has become the world''s largest open air prison. Gaza is under siege: food, water and fuel are all minimal to non-existent and medicine as well as medical services are non-existent. The Power station has been destroyed there is no sewage disposal service that functions and trash is accumulating in mounds of filth that surrounds the tents that have replaced many of their bulldozed homes. All of this is part of the Zionist occupation''s collective punishment for failing to submit to Israeli occupation. . .
 
Fahimi Zidän   1/2/2009 11:23 PM
200 .  rebekah
You don''t understand, they have something better than this:

Ecc 12
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

See, Gd and his word don''t matter anymore, because they have their man-non-god! Like paul,they consider Gd''s eternal covenant and commandments shit! (Philipians 3:8)
 
cataindawg   1/2/2009 10:22 PM
201 .  "The War of The Sons of Light against the sons of darkness,
1QM Col.X. Exhortation (X 1-8) and Prayer (X 9 ff.) during the eschatological war. The exhortation quotes Dt. 20.2-4 (1QM X 2-5) and Num.10.9 (1QM X 6-8).Column X lines 5-8 reads: 5. And your provosts shall speak to all those prepared for battle, the willinghearted, to hold fast through the might of God, to turn back all 6. the faint-hearted, and to hold fast together, all mighty men of valour. And as to that which Thou hast s[poken] by the hand of Moses, saying: "If there cometh a war 7. in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with trumpets, and ye shall be remembered before your God, 8. and ye shall be saved from your enemies" (Num.10:9) (Yadin, Scroll of the War, 304). God Bless and Peace Always in Yeshua.Matthew
 
Matthew Joseph   1/2/2009 7:35 PM
202 .  Song God gave me Country Ballad
Jesus is a Comin

Cecil Murphy

Jesus is a comin better open the door
Jesus is a comin to settle the score
Alpha an’ Omega, the Lord forevermore

At the sound of the trumpet, we’ll be gathered to Him
For Those in Christ Jesus, saved from sin
Caught up together, to reign with Him

His eyes as flames of fire, His hair white as wool
Every eye will see Him, in the clouds above
All those who pierced Him, will mourn aloud

Repeat Chorus:

The multitudes of the wicked, who wage the war
Will look Him in the eyes, and be no more
Arial delivered, by the threshing floor

 
CmoGrued   1/2/2009 7:21 PM
203 .  Nations who bear the sword against Jerusalem
are in for a rude awakening!! And guess who is bringing them there !

Now this will be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth. It will come about in that day that a great panic from the LORD will fall on them and they will seize one another''s hand, and the hand of one will be lifted against the hand of another. Judah also will fight at Jerusalem and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be gathered, gold and silver and garments in great abundance. So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps. Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.



 
CmoGrued   1/2/2009 7:15 PM
204 .  Agree Barbara, we have to discern that always and you do!

 
Bert   1/2/2009 6:59 PM
205 .  Ben from Texas1/2/2009 3:43 AM Lets look at Shariah law,
Would you please be kind enough to show us where that is in the Qurän?
I have never seen it.
Thank you.


 
Fahimi Zidan   1/2/2009 6:15 PM
206 .  Bert..I meant the teachings, not the person.
At least I hope not the person.
 
Barbara Kay   1/2/2009 6:10 PM
207 .  Happy New Year
to all my brothers and sisters in Christ here on this forum. In these days of war and rumours of war, let we as Chistians stand behind Israel. Let God Almighty give her peace.
We continue to pray for the Jewish people for protection against her enemies and the Peace of Jerusalem.
Shalom from Holland
 
Dik-Holland   1/2/2009 4:44 PM
208 .  Mosiach CONT- NOW... we have something MUCH BETTER
and Excellent (Hebr7:22, 8:6,12, 9:1215,22, 10:1,2,10,14,17,18,22,11:6,12:22, and 23: ''''...all our spirits ARE MADE PERFECT NOW'''', 1Joh4:17, Col2:10, Hebr10:14. Halleluuuuuuujah!

 
Bert   1/2/2009 4:37 PM
209 .  Mosiach, you like to write about the
-what we call- the Old Covenant.
Now somethin refreshing, praise our good God for ever and ever!!!

The law was for them that are (or WISH or CHOOSE!! to be) UNDER the law Rom3:19, and the law gives knowledge of sin, vs20. And the law is an ADMINISTRATION OF DEATH, 2Cor3:7 and kills, vs6.

The law is also an ADMINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION (like many ''''christians'''' on this site they still live in condemnation, for themselves, SO, also for others!!!). The sting of DEATH is SIN: and the STRENGTH of SIN is THE LAW!!!
So simple is that: SIN can exercise his power, to them that choose not to live in full grace faith (also most! of the christians, they still have an ''Old Testamentic, legalistic, religious mindset -even when they are ''born-again''!). And you hear, see that all around: in this site as well!

Also the GLORY has done away, vs10, (also Hebr3:3) because under the law minds were BLINDED, vs14.

NOW... we have something MUCH BETTER and Excellent (Hebr7:22, 8:6,12, 9:1215
 
Bert   1/2/2009 4:34 PM
210 .  Bert MOST of us skip over. It is mostly double-tongued.

 
Barbara Kay   1/2/2009 4:26 PM
211 .  Yes Moshiach, this was a sneaky unknown post
who said ''go to sleep'', but I like to be honest with you.

Dear Mosiach, you try to reach people
but I wonder if you do to ANYONE a). when you have only monologues -instead of dialogues b) when they are so loooong c). if they are not really refreshing, news, to much what I expect, to little from deep inside: your OWN meanings and not only most of it scriptures, or things that I don''t know already d) if I had a question, you never answerer me. THATs not nice, not like Jesus did?!

I am not the only one don''t read 90% of your long epistels...

I am sorry I to HAVE to say this, - I am sure in the name of many (most?). If it is not true for most others: forgive me.
I love you, and you are beloved by our Lord Jesus.
 
Bert   1/2/2009 4:20 PM
212 .  go to sleep rebekah

 
  1/2/2009 3:49 PM
213 .  There are days when all Israel fasts, because...
OF THE CATASTROPHES AND TRIBULATIONS THAT
OCCURRED ON THESES DATES.

The purpose of such fast days
is to awaken us and stir
our hearts toward repentance

by recalling our own misdeeds as well as those of our ancestors.

BY REMEMBERING THESE MISDEEDS, WHICH WE CONTINUE TO REPEAT -

- AND WHICH BRING ON SIMILAR CALAMITIES,

WE ARE MOTIVATED TO RETURN TO THE PROPER PATH OF LIFE.

THE MONTH OF TEVETH

http://www.ou.org/chagim/roshchodesh/tevet/default.htm

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 3:45 PM
214 .  During the month of Tevet, three fast days...
are observed, the 8th, 9th and 10th of the month, in commemoration
of three major calamities which
befell the People of Israel. Now it is Tevet 6, 5769 / January 2, ''09

The fast days of the 8th and 9th of Tevet are called ''fast-days-for-the-righteous,'' as on these days, only individuals who choose to, fast,
(Deut. 6:25, Isaiah 48:17-19, 32:17-18)

whereas the fast of the 10th of Tevet is a public fast obligating
the entire Jewish community.

So said the Lord of Hosts: The fast
of the fourth month,*

*The fast of Tammuz.

the fast of the fifth month,*

*The fast of the fifth month of Av.

the fast of the seventh month,*

*The third of Tishri, when Gedaliah was assassinated.

AND THE FAST OF THE TENTH MONTH (OF TEVETH),

shall be for the house of Judah for joy and happiness and for happy holidays-but love truth and peace.
Zechariah 8:19

THE MONTH OF TEVETH

http://www.ou.org/chagim/roshchodesh/tevet/default.h
 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 3:40 PM
215 . 

 
  1/2/2009 3:37 PM
216 .  CLH are you still there??!

 
Bert, Holland   1/2/2009 3:14 PM
217 .  May God Bless & Protect Israel.

 
Raymond   1/2/2009 2:43 PM
218 .  Barbara Kay: JESUS: "Do not think that I came...
to bring peace on earth. I did not
come to bring peace but a sword.
Matthew 10:24 NKJ

"I came to send fire on the earth,
and how I wish i(srael) t(oday)
were already kindled!

Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you,
not at all, but rather division.
Luke 12:49,51 NKJ

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 2:18 PM
219 .  Could Jesus'' Death Atone for Any Kind of Sin?
At that crucial juncture in history when Abraham was ready to
sacrifice Isaac, the Almighty admonished him that He did not want the human sacrifice,

and directed Abraham to sacrifice the ram caught
in the thicket instead.

The Almighty''s directive that he only wanted animal sacrifices
rather than human sacrifices was immediately understood.

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/jesusdeath.html

Did the Passover Lamb Foreshadow Jesus?

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/passoverlamb.html

Sin and Atonement : Who Needs the Blood? LISTEN FOR FREE:

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 2:11 PM
220 .  Blessed are the peacemakers.
The only true peace is made between men and God. We cannot have true peace anywhere without reconciling to God.

A true peacemaker desires there be peace with Him, and seeks it for others.

This war can never bring peace between the two warring factors, no matter how much appeasement.

There can be no real peace, until the Peace of God, the Messiah,Jesus christ returns to rule as King of Kings.

To tell them to lay down their weapons is foolhardy. This battle is necessary to hold back the intentions of these forces, then soon the World will encounter God''s true plan.


 
Barbara Kay   1/2/2009 2:10 PM
221 .  All nations that You made will come and prostrate...
themselves before You, O Lord, and glorify Your Name.

For You are great and perform wonders, You, O God, alone.

Teach me Your way, O Lord, I shall walk in Your truth.

Unify my heart to fear Your Name.

I shall thank You, O Lord my God, with all my heart, and I
shall glorify Your Name forever.

For Your kindness is great toward me, and You have saved my soul -

from the lowest depths of the grave.
Psalm 86:9-13, 16:9-11, 49:16

The Holy Scriptures — The Tanakh

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/jpstoc.html

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 2:06 PM
222 .  Nay, but for Thy sake are we (Jews) killed all the day
we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Psalm 44:23

Psalm 44 is vividly portraying the recurring oppressions
and persecutions of exile,

Israel pleads for strength to endure until it is redeemed
from the wicked nations!

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 1:59 PM
223 .  Wherewithal shall a young man keep his way pure?
By taking heed thereto according to Thy word.

In the way of Your commandments I shall run, for You will
broaden my understanding.

Instruct me, O Lord, in the way
of Your statutes, and I
shall keep it at every step.

Enable me to understand and I
shall keep Your Torah,
and I shall keep it wholeheartedly.

Lead me in the path of Your commandments for I desired it.

Turn away my eyes from seeing vanity, with Your ways sustain me.

I considered my ways, AND I RETURNED MY FEET -
- to Your testimonies.
Psalm 119:9,32-35,37,59

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 1:49 PM
224 .  You shall rebuke cursed willful sinners who stray...
from Your commandments.

I told of my ways, and You answered me,
teach me Your statutes.

Make me understand Your precepts, and I shall speak of Your wonders.

Remove from me the way
of falsehood, and
favor me with Your Torah.

I chose the way of faith, Your judgments I have set before me.

Salvation is far from the wicked, for they seek not Thy statutes.
Psalm 119:21,26-27,29-30,155

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 1:43 PM
225 .  O Lord, let me know Your ways, teach me Your paths.
Direct me with Your truth and teach me, for You are
the God of my salvation,

I HOPE FOR YOU ALL DAY LONG.
Psalm 25:4-5

I will teach transgressors Your ways, and sinners will return to You.
Psalm 51:15

Praiseworthy are those whose way
is perfect, who walk
with the law of the Lord.

Praiseworthy are those who
keep His testimonies,
who seek Him wholeheartedly.

Not only have they committed no injustice, they walked in His ways.

You commanded Your precepts,
to keep diligently.

My prayers are that my ways should
be established,
to keep Your statutes.
Psalm 119:1-5

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 1:40 PM
226 .  Jaroslav: The soul that sinneth, it shall die,
the son shall not bear the iniquity
of the father with him, neither
shall the father bear the iniquity of the son with him,

the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed,
and keep all My statutes,

and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

None of his transgressions that he hath committed shall be remembered against him, for his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the L-rd GOD, and not rather that he should return from his ways, and live?
Ezekiel 18:20-23

And a redeemer will come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith HaShem.
Isaiah 59:20, Psalm Chs. 34, 37

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 1:34 PM
227 .  Rebekah it is interesting what you are comparing about blood
Did you realize that on Christ was placed the wickedness of the whole world including yours Rebecah. He has indeed become wicked for our salvation. He has died in your place for the wages of sin is death. He has died for you. He has died for me and for all. He was the Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. He become curse for you Rebekah. He become cursed so your curse can be taken away and you could be free. Gal.3:13. Or you are going to tell me that you are sinless? Have a Happy Sabbath and blessed New Year.
 
Jaroslav   1/2/2009 1:02 PM
228 .  STOP THESE NONSENSES DEBATES
How can Israel keep quite while Arabs have swears to wipe them out of the world''s map.
 
Yusuph   1/2/2009 12:49 PM
229 .  If ye walk in My statutes, and keep My commandments,
and do them, then I will give your rains in their season, and the land shall yield her produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage
shall reach unto the sowing time,

and ye shall eat your bread
until ye have enough,

AND DWELL IN YOUR LAND SAFELY.

AND I WILL GIVE PEACE IN THE LAND,

and ye shall lie down, and none
shall make you afraid,

and I will cause evil beasts to
cease out of the land, neither
shall the sword go through your land.

And ye shall chase your enemies,
and they shall fall
before you by the sword.

And five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of
you shall chase ten thousand,

AND YOUR ENEMIES SHALL FALL BEFORE YOU BY THE SWORD.

Ye shall keep My sabbaths, and reverence My sanctuary: I am HaShem.
Leviticus 26:3-8,2

http://www.aish.com/shabbat/

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 11:28 AM
230 .  Prayer for Members of the Israel Defense Force
Together we can envelope the globe with the power of reciting the
very same prayer to the One God:

Strengthen the hands of those who defend our holy land,

GRANT THEM DELIVERANCE, AND ADORN THEM IN A MANTLE OF VICTORY.

Ordain peace in the land and grant its inhabitants eternal happiness.

http://www.ou.org/yerushalayim/prayers2.htm

Israel At War: A PRIMER

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/gaza2008primer.html

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 11:24 AM
231 .  Rabbi Meir Kahane Hy''D: ON REVENGE
"It is a great thing!" It is a great mitzvah to take the revenge of the righteous and humble the evildoer.

Whoever forgoes or rejects such
an opportunity is cruel,
and he denies belief in G-d.

As King David said (Psalms 58:11-12): The righteous man shall rejoice -
- when he sees the vengeance.

HE SHALL WASH HIS FEET IN THE BLOOD OF THE WICKED!

Men shall say, "Verily there is a reward for the righteous. Verily there is a G-d Who judges on earth."

This is the secret of the greatness and holiness of revenge. It explains why it is a mitzvah and why the righteous are joyous when they see it carried out.

When injustice is done on earth,
when the kingdom of evil takes control and stifles the righteous
and the innocent,"

http://www.kahanetzadak.com/revenge.html

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 11:20 AM
232 .  THE CHURCH: Nothing But The Blood Of The Je-ews...
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain:
O precious is the flow that makes
me white as snow,
no other fount I know,

nothing but the blood of Jesus.

http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh362.sht

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 11:18 AM
233 .  HAMAS VIDEO: We will drink the blood of the Jews
We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no
blood better than the blood of Jews.

We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with
your blood, and our children''s thirst with your blood...

http://www.pmw.org.il/latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b140206

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 11:15 AM
234 .  FILTHY JEWISH BLOOD: There have been many...
natural disasters in the Muslim world
over the past few decades
where Israel has offered to provide
medical supplies, emergency personnel and... blood.

This last bit has always been a sticking point. You see,
Jewish blood is considered unacceptable -

by the people we are supposed to
be trying to make peace with.
It is, according to them, ''filthy''.

Israel sent in to Gaza some 40 trucks of humanitarian relief,
including blood from Jordan..."

FILTHY JEWISH BLOOD

http://www.ou.org/shabbat_shalom/article/bogner_filthy_jewish_blood/

 
Moshiach: Rebekah - Norway   1/2/2009 11:12 AM
235 .  Prayer for Israel
Father in Heaven, the prophecy of the Scripture is being fulfilled. I pray that chosen people The Israelites will turn their face to you, repent of their sins ang accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Amen.
 
Divina V. Madiz fr. the Philippines   1/2/2009 10:54 AM
236 .  Dear Dr Samuel Bhasker If the snake enters the home..?
What would one DO? It all depends which home? Who lives in that home? If it was Hindu home perhaps they would worship the snake god? If your "snake" would be applied to people then question is who entered who''s home????
 
Jaroslav   1/2/2009 10:08 AM
237 .  if a snake enters ur home what will you do?
Its good to support peace and live in peace..

.let me put to silence with one statement ......" If a snake enters your home and is about to kill your child what will you do?

......... you who are.... civilized citizen''s, born again christain, gentile,or Jewish citizen".

please dont take the WORD of GOD out of contest.

if you are in the Israeli Army kindly submit to authority and defend.......defending and killing an enemy is defending peace and bringing hope for the children to live in peace......in practical this is the inevitable

 
Dr.SAMUEL BHASKER NEW DELHI / INDIA   1/2/2009 9:16 AM
238 .  Sharky,Your story was well worth reading, sorry
about all your hardships. Many would say you lost your salvation somewhere along the line and I know that isn''t true. Glad you are back with the Lord but, I''m also glad you are not the leader of Israel, they have had one of those for awhile now and you can see what they got when they turned the other cheek. For Israel, iit isn''t broken bones, its life or death and don''t believe God wants them to turn the other cheek,again, life or death. The punk rock scene is not losing your head. The chains and leather are impressive but, not the same as those who want to kill you, not beat you. I hope your walk with the Lord is filled with His Love and Peace, sorry to hear about your family, it is never easy and I''m sure many would have done what you did. I''m not trying to put you down, just saying to say, "There is a time for war and a time for peace? Ecc 3:8 if not mistaken. God Bless Israel, Gods Land and Chosen people, until He comes, defend yourselves.
 
BENFOX   1/2/2009 6:32 AM
239 .  hello israel
what would abraham do if he was here today, right now?

he would start with his family, gather them, and lead them to defend his land with or without obama
gideon would do the same, even akiva would do the same
 
jurem   1/2/2009 4:45 AM
240 .  To 1/2/2009 4:08 AM
All is forgiven. God bless.
 
Joyce W   1/2/2009 4:44 AM
241 .  WHOever is using the initials of the
most profane poster ever to visit these sites to send your insults,
double shame on you.
Please let the Lord come into your heart and change you, so that your life can be a worthy vessel for Him to fill and that your life, your words and your service be worthy to Him, and to glorify Him in and through you.
In my prayers tonight, I will asked this very thing of the Lord for you.
He will help you if you are willing.


 
Ellie   1/2/2009 4:28 AM
242 .  Dear Sharky,
I was reading your story, and it is worth telling and reading. I see where you ran out of space, and most folks just post a continualtion and finish what they were saying.
I am really glad you are back to God, and I pray you let Him give you strength all your life now.
You have overcome some terrible things, and I am blessed to read your story. Thank you for telling it.
I hope you will come back.
 
Ellie   1/2/2009 4:18 AM
243 .  Sharky thank God you are back!
Welcome here, thanks you shared this. It lifted up our good, faithfull God.

He saw everything. Every tear. The world is so unfair, He saw that! You have a good story to tell the lost, because this story goes very deep. God will bless you, also in 2009!!!
 
Bert, Holland   1/2/2009 4:13 AM
244 .  Joyce
PEACE! Forgive me and I forgive you.
 
  1/2/2009 4:08 AM
245 .  New Years dream..........
That all the hate filled posters, those who hate Israel, the Jews, and who attack the wonderful, Spirit filled Christians on the site would just
DISAPPEAR!!! And that those who profess to be Christians but show very un Christ-like attitudes would
ACT LIKE CHRISTIANS and not children who don''t get their way.

May this new year be a blessing for all.
 
  1/2/2009 4:04 AM
246 .  Turning the other cheek
When growing up I was taught the Love of Christ and to turn the other cheek.
I was blessed at a young age and always carried my Bible and told everyone about Christ''s love to all the Kids and even adults.(grammer school)
My own brother and all the other kids almost every day would pick on me and even beat me and I always turned the other cheek and then they would beat me more.
I received many head injuries and broken bones all through H.S. also.
I only had Christ to turn to and my only friend beside Joey who died in VN.
No matter the pain I forgave them and never struck back.
But one day at 18 my brother came to beat me and I retaliated and almost killed Him.
Then my wife and baby died and I left Christ and struck back against Christ and became a drug addict and alcoholic and very violent in the Punk Rock/ Hardcore scene.
Since G-d chose me he came and got me from this 14 yr spiral and cured me of all hate and now I am back.
The lesson I learned is that if I had defended mysel
 
Sharky   1/2/2009 3:50 AM
247 .  If you feed Palestinian Husband he will
make himself a perch here!
Please folks, Help in this on going battle. The Jacksonvile detective unit has his info, due to his threats to harm Jews. They have access to the website, but this guy moves about and uses public places.
The best way to get rid of him is not to respond to him. That''s what he wants. Attention. The more he gets the worse he is.
Respect this site to the extent you don''t invite his comments. Please!
 
Ellie   1/2/2009 3:49 AM
248 .  Lets look at Shariah law,
A woman cannot leave the house without her husband''s permission..Men can beat their ''''insubordinate'''' wives..Women who are convicted of adultery are punished by death by stoning..Apostasy from Islam is punished by death ''''without'''' trail..Non Muslims under Shariah law are second class citizens..SLAVERY is permitted and deemed legitimate...''''This last one gets me because i hear of American Blacks converting to Islam''''yet they bring up their slavery past to whites in the US''''God Bless Israel and US.
 
Ben from Texas   1/2/2009 3:43 AM
249 .  Fig Tree
Jesus was asked by the disiples when they would know when the end times was, Jesus gave them a parable and said when fig tree cometh nigh that generation shall not pass. In 1948 Isreal became a nation in 1 day and Isreal is the fig tree and us christains are the branches. Now, I am waiting for the same Messiah the Jewish people are waiting for. Isreal did not become a nation without a fight and the wars will never end until Christ steps down from His throne. We are commanded to LOVE Isreal, for Hebrew people are the apple of G_D''s EYE! And if we do not support Isreal, we shall be cursed. If it wasn''t for the Jewish people we wouldn''t have the old testament, and we wouldn''t have Jesus. Where would we all be with out the Messiah? Lucifer nows and he knows his time is short! So we as children of G_D, have to pray heaven down on this earth and especially pray for Peace of Jerusalem! God Bless Jerusalem and USA!
 
cb   1/2/2009 3:10 AM
250 .  PH. YOU ARE A SCUM BAG. 1/1/2009 10:06 PM
YOU ARE TRASH.
ARE YOU RELATED TO BILL CLINTON?
No, Benfox is my daddy.




 
  1/2/2009 3:10 AM
251 .  CLH 1:43 Continued and end.
.... Shlomo) were often a). totally wrong b) a bit true or c). true.

Ecclesiastes (Hebr: Koheleth, the preacher) said also wise things, e.g. his conclusion: WISDOM, POSITION and RICHES will NOT satisfy without God (12:13). And: it is just stupid to change Gods Wisdom for human''s wisdom... Amen, we worship Him for ever!
 
Bert, Holland   1/2/2009 3:06 AM
252 .  About turning the other cheek?
One slap on your fat chop is all that would be nessessary. They would hear you hit the floor all the way to Durango!!!
 
Kerplop   1/2/2009 3:05 AM
253 .  CLH 1:43 There are things that our good God
ALLOWED to state in His Word, but that does not mean He agreed everything what people said!!!

In e.g. the Book of Job God let things recorded -what the free will of Job did and said. The majority of the book of Job is in that sense not ''God inspired'' (shock to the religious friends here! haha). But there are many chapters that you can ''rely on'' -and said in according to Gods will and in His Mind and Spirit. Only God is always right, and Job had to learn that - like we have to do...

Now e.g. in Ecclesiastes. Especially things were declared ''under the sun'' (Ecc3:18, 6:1 -that means in the ''wisdom'' -better say NT: in the soulish, fleshly view - of a person who feels, tastes, hears with his five senses and out of his -often evil and unwise- heart). And that does not have to be spiritual at all! The ''soul'' of this reasonings and imaginations and strongholds (2Cor10:5) of Salomo (or: -king-''Lemuel'' Prov31:1,4, or ''Agur'' -the fancy name of Shlomo) were often a). totally wrong b) a bit tr
 
Bert, Holland   1/2/2009 3:04 AM
254 .  11:16 continued
I must step into the Jordan and see what takes place!!

Hard to find men for leadership. Too many are either to spineless or fighting fires that do not need to be fought.

The fight for fundamental doctrines, especially anthropology (study of the nature of man) why we sin and how we are set free is being lost!

Must play the guitar and pray!

Thanks Barbara! Hate to be spread out, but will endure!

 
CmoGrued   1/2/2009 2:25 AM
255 .  BENFOX. I found your post very interesting

 
Raymond   1/2/2009 2:12 AM
256 .  Barbara Kay
Please accept my apologies.
May God bless & protect Israel.
We may have our differences, but it seems
we both love Israel. I want to wish you and
your family a happy & safe new year.
I wish you the very best.
 
Raymond   1/2/2009 2:06 AM
257 .  To 1/1/2009 11:02 PM
I don''t won''t to argue with you about this. And I''m sorry, if that''s the way you truly feel about me. I have never meant to give the impression that I think of myself as a self-righteous Saint. Because I am definitely not. I am just a sinner saved by grace. And all I''m trying to do is to live my life for the Lord. And I''m sorry, if by my doing that I have offended you in some way, but I have to live my life following in the Lord. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   1/2/2009 2:01 AM
258 .  CmoGrued 1/1/2009 11:16 AM You didn''t finish.
Those who truly are born from God''s Spirit, and baptised into Jesus christ...are part of Him, and joined together in that true fellowship.

But scattered, like Israel has been, all over the World...but NEVER alone.

God holds all things together with His hand, and we are included.

Disciples recognize one another, and can be recognized by their love. The bond is God''s Love, and His Love in us.

As the Day approaches, more and more are calling "He is over here", no He is over here"...He has already given a warning, and it holds true now, and increases. Almost Carnival-like...and certainly...carnal.
 
Barbara Kay   1/2/2009 1:45 AM
259 .  All hail
Barbara Kay, the messiah
 
PH   1/2/2009 1:44 AM
260 .  What Does It Mean To Be HOLY ?
Is it freedom without responsibility?

Simply making your bed?

Are you holy when your hate tolerates evil?

God granted Solomon to be the wisest man on earth in order to be an effective leader for God''s Chosen People - the Israelites. Why would Solomon say in Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

A time to kill and a time to heal,
A time to love and a time to hate,
A time for war and a time for peace.

The value of knowledge, relationships, work, and pleasure, but only in their proper place. Wisdom is only effective when it is put into action.

With great possibilities come great responsibilities.

Solomon''s reign - a man proving through bitter experience that finding meaning in life apart from God is a vain pursuit.





 
CLH   1/2/2009 1:43 AM
261 .  I didn''t aim it specifically at a person, but at an attitude

 
Barbara Kay   1/2/2009 1:24 AM
262 .  To Nancy in NYC
We are praying for the Lord''s blessings and His healing hand to come upon you. God bless and love in Christ to you.
 
Charles & Joyce   1/2/2009 1:18 AM
263 .  Messianic Churches
We support the destruction of the disobedient, stubborn and deceitful enemies of God. We love them but we do not support what they do.
 
Menchie   1/2/2009 1:16 AM
264 .  Gods blessings to you
God Bless you Margaret. Nancy, Godspeed.
 
  1/2/2009 12:51 AM
265 .  NANCY NYC
I pray that the Lord restores you to
full health and supplies all your needs - with love in Christ Jesus.
I also pray that for all believers on this site.
May God bless and keep you and cause His Face to shine upon you all and God bless Israel.
 
Margaret UK   1/2/2009 12:12 AM
266 .  Hello Yalak Have a blessed new year in the felowship with
The Father and with The Son 1 John 1:3
Yes He will be King of kings and Lord of lords and He will be our head but Jahveh is and will be His Head 1 Cor.11:3 and Jahveh is and will be His God. John 20:17
God will always be in authority over all including His Son our Lord. 1 Cor. 15:27-28
 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 11:37 PM
267 .  About turning the other cheek? Jesus knew in
the culture of the day, it was a shame to hit a man on his other cheek after once hitting him on the cheek. Jesus when slapped didn''t say, please hit the other and He was the Prince of Peace. God doesn''t expect you to sit back and not defend your family and friends? When Russia and it''s muslim friends attack Israel, he doesn''t say sit back and take it, even though I think He will do most of the fighting. Russia will burn with fire at that time, so I believe Israel will get off a couple of nuke or more. In Ezk 39 I believe we are the isles that live in confidence and are destroyed at the same time, just a opinion but, with the coward obama-nation it could happen. God Bless Israel, Gods Land and Chosen People.
 
BENFOX   1/1/2009 11:32 PM
268 .  Ben from Texas. Thanks for corection. Yes you are right
It was mistake about chapter 1 instead of 2. Sorry.Text was but correct and not to Yalok but to us all.
Have a blessed new year brother.
1John 2:22-23 "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also".
We can say that whoever denies The Father does have no Son either. This is message to those who say that Christ is Father Son and Holy Spirit. Those believing like that have eliminated Almighty God JAHVEH. I know that some Pentecostals believe like that. Is that so Bert?
 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 11:21 PM
269 .  St.Joyce
Of course not Joyce. You''re the perfect little saint. Awe! You forgot how you claimed not to act superior.
 
  1/1/2009 11:02 PM
270 .  BKN.
Is your last post aimed at me?
 
Raymond   1/1/2009 10:54 PM
271 .  Nancy NYC
You are in my prayers Nancy. As Eugene already said, no need for specifics as God knows each one.
Stay Blessed Nancy
With love in Christ.
 
C Gill   1/1/2009 10:38 PM
272 .  Very grateful, You answered, thank you BKN

 
Gloria   1/1/2009 10:23 PM
273 .  "But now I write to you not to associate with any one..
..who bears the name of brother, if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, or a person with a foul tongue (RAILING,ABUSING, REVILING, SLANDERING), or is a drunkard, or a swindler or a robber."
 
Barbara Kay   1/1/2009 10:16 PM
274 .  Anonymous Ireland. Take Your Muslim Hate Elsewhere

 
Raymond   1/1/2009 10:09 PM
275 .  PH. YOU ARE A SCUM BAG. YOU ARE TRASH.
ARE YOU RELATED TO BILL CLINTON?
 
  1/1/2009 10:06 PM
276 .  A Cheek Interpretation
When one is very holy and can call upon divine assistance, then one should also turn the other cheek.
Ask yourselves Israel - have you yet reached that level of holiness . . .

Over thousands of years very few have. So now Islam has been raised up. Take that as you realise it
 
Anonymous Ireland   1/1/2009 10:05 PM
277 .  A Cheek Interpretation
When one is very holy and can call upon divine assistance, then one should also turn the other cheek.
Ask yourselves Israel - have you yet reached that level of holiness . . .

Over thousands of years very few have. So now Islam has been raised up. Take that as you realise it
 
Anonymous Ireland   1/1/2009 10:05 PM
278 .  PH if you do i hope you get aids

 
  1/1/2009 9:57 PM
279 .  Palestines Husband
You must be an Obama supporting muslim.

 
Raymond   1/1/2009 9:46 PM
280 .  Thank you Eugene!

 
Nancy in NYC   1/1/2009 9:37 PM
281 .  To 1/1/2009 7:39 PM
It seems, I must have stepped on somebody''s toes about something. Because and the only thing I said, that I didn''t do was to force my belief about the KJV, being the true Word of God on anyone, or to act superior to anyone because of it. And if you think, that makes me feel self-righteous, I''m sorry, but you are very much mistaken.

 
Joyce W   1/1/2009 9:34 PM
282 .  My IP address is.....
216.9.210.158

I am at the football game in Jacksonville Florida. I am stalking a female bitch to rape in the ass as I chant A Yeah We You. Since my wedding bracelet is the most powerful bracelet in the world, I have the right to rape and fuck female drunk bitches
 
Palestines Husband   1/1/2009 9:30 PM
283 .  Yes, Gloria, he is. I don''t mind at all.

 
Barbara Kay   1/1/2009 9:30 PM
284 .  self rightous(?) and cowardly poster
Good way to tell Joyce, Barbara Kay
 
  1/1/2009 9:30 PM
285 .  Barbara Kay...
There was a post that you wrote once that you said your son-in-law was a jew. You said that he was a very good husband and a hard worker I think also a father. That is good very good, you said nothing about his Faith in Christ Alone. Is he a jew that believes in Yeshua? I hope you don''t mine me asking, this question has been on my mind since your post.
 
Gloria   1/1/2009 9:23 PM
286 .  Nancy in NYC
Will be praying. The Lord knows each of us, so no need for specifics. The Lord bless you.
 
Eugene   1/1/2009 9:20 PM
287 .  THANK YOU BEN FROM TEXAS
Ben,Thank you for your faithfulness and be highly blessed in the Name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
Yalak   1/1/2009 9:17 PM
288 .  KING OF KINGS
Sorry, I meant JESUS IS THE LORD OF LORDS AND THE KING OF KINGS.
 
Yalak   1/1/2009 9:05 PM
289 .  BELOVED JAROSLAV
When I said:I read revelation word for word I do not mean I understand everything.I only meant what I said that JESUS IS THE LORD OF LORDS AND THE KING OF JESUS.Humbly I can assure you without any sense of pride or arrogance that like you I have the sound doctrine of Christ Jesus.I do not learn from myself or from the theology only, but from the Bible, with simplicity and humility through the Holy Spirit as my Teacher.I have nothing of the Anti-Crhist.I believe in the LOGOS made flesh(John 1:14).May God richly bless you all.Amen
 
Yalak   1/1/2009 8:59 PM
290 .  Happy New Year
I will be in prayer that Israel will remain firm, despite international pressure, in the defense of her land and her people. I am so grateful to all the Gentile Christians around the world who post here in defense of God''s people and land. May you all be blessed in this new year.

As an aside I ask you if you might pray for me as I am facing some very difficult times with my finances and my health. Thank you and God bless you all!
 
Nancy in NYC   1/1/2009 8:49 PM
291 .  The Big Lie Exposed Again
Chief-Rabbi Arye Friedman from Vienna said: "The holocaust is a succesful historical fiction." (Süddeutsche Zeitung, Dec. 12, 2006, p.7
 
Yizzie   1/1/2009 8:48 PM
292 .  Same to you, Ellie...it will be an interesting one.
Maybe...this year, in Jerusalem.
 
Barbara Kay   1/1/2009 8:45 PM
293 .  use of force
whether you are messianic or gentile the fact and the undeniable truth is that isreal came to existance in 1948 after displacing a whole nation and
took over their country.JUSTICE
SHOULD BE RESTORED WITH THE
COMMING OF JESUS...SOON

 
JOSEPH   1/1/2009 8:44 PM
294 .  Self rightous and cowardly poster.
God is our Judge, and He didn''t send you to hurt those who love Him.
 
Barbara Kay   1/1/2009 8:42 PM
295 .  NEWSFLASH
Israeli air strike kills Hamas political leader Nizar Rayyan who advocated renewal of suicide bombs. God bless Israel.
 
  1/1/2009 7:50 PM
296 .  St.Joyce
And Joyce your self righteous attitude (I don''t do this, I don''t do that) needs to be checked.
 
  1/1/2009 7:39 PM
297 .  Hey Bert
Clean up your own backyard before you go dirtying up someone elses. Romans 2: 1-3.
 
  1/1/2009 7:35 PM
298 .  To Bert
Hi Bert, I agree it all should be to His glory and not ours. Because it is all about Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour! God bless you.
 
Joyce W   1/1/2009 7:22 PM
299 .  the use of force
Evil prospers when good men do NOTHING!
In the lord''s day the disciples purchased the most advanced weapon available - the sword - as self defense
G_d only stated that you are NOT to commit premeditated murder
So to Israel I say "Defend Yourselves - and may Adonai be with You"!
 
wholeheart   1/1/2009 7:22 PM
300 .  the use of force
Evil prospers when good men do NOTHING!
In the lord''s day the disciples purchased the most advanced weapon available - the sword - as self defense
G_d only stated that you are NOT to commit premeditated murder
So to Israel I say "Defend Yourselves - and may Adonai be with You"!
 
wholeheart   1/1/2009 7:22 PM
301 .  the use of force
Evil prospers when good men do NOTHING!
In the lord''s day the disciples purchased the most advanced weapon available - the sword - as self defense
G_d only stated that you are NOT to commit premeditated murder
So to Israel I say "Defend Yourselves - and may Adonai be with You"!
 
wholeheart   1/1/2009 7:20 PM
302 .  They even blow up ambulances


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01gaza.html?_r=1&hp
 
Rayben   1/1/2009 7:19 PM
303 .  Ellie. You are so right.

 
Raymond   1/1/2009 7:13 PM
304 .  HAMAZ MUST LEAVE GAZA
And forever.
 
ISSAM   1/1/2009 6:29 PM
305 .  Happy New Yr. Barbara Kay.
Yes! The Word of the Lord clearly supports war against Israel''s enemies.
Can you imagine turning the other cheek to Hamas, Iran, the PLO, or any others who come to kill you?
Very shortly there would be no more cheeks to turn.
Keep on posting the truth!
Blessings to you!

 
Ellie   1/1/2009 5:37 PM
306 .  "Behold, all they who are enraged and inflamed against you..
..shall be put to shame and confounded they who strive against you shall be as nothing and shall perish.

You shall see those who contend with you, and shall not find them they who war against you shall be as nothing, as NOTHING AT ALL. For I, the Lord your God, hold your right hand I, Who say to you Fear not, I will help you!" Isaiah 41:11-13
 
Barbara Kay   1/1/2009 5:20 PM
307 .  Raymond
Thank you. Hey Joyce, there''s a difference between "Forcing your beliefs on someone" and trying to expose the lies and tricks of the enemy. Think about it. ComGrued, you are in my prayers.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 4:50 PM
308 .  Jaroslav,yalak,the scripture is in 1John2:22-23not c 1

 
Ben from Texas   1/1/2009 3:58 PM
309 .  Maprchr. You Make A Great Point.

 
Raymond   1/1/2009 3:39 PM
310 .  Jaroslav ,yalak,the verses you quoted jaroslav are not in
1John1:22-23 but are in 1John c4v1-3''''Beloved,do not believe every spirit,but test the spirits to see weather they are of GOD for many false prophets have gone out into the wprld2By this you know the spirit of GOD every spirit which confesses JESUS CHRIST has come in the flesh is of GOD,3and every spirit which does not confess JESUS is not of GOD.This is the spirit of the antichrist ,of which you heard that is coming and is now in the world already''''..Be carefull Jaroslav you acussed yalak of not understanding what he read,then you gave him the wrong scripture,,There is not but 10 verses in 1john c1 not22-23,,I''m sure you were mistaken and not intended to mislead..
 
Ben from Texas   1/1/2009 3:37 PM
311 .  Dear CG be strong in JAHVEH. we can send posts to each other
while we are here. Once we get to (hell) grave it will be to late. There we will not worship God any more and have a sleep, rest till the resurrection. Do not worry about hell brother. (O by the way may I know your name? I assume you are brother? Also I wanted to ask you what does it mean Cmo Grued? I would like to pray for you) We are not going to be there forever as we were not d for hell but for God''s Kingdom wherever that will be in heaven or here on restored earth. Does not matter as long as we will be united to our God in His Son Jahshua.
Psalm 28:7"JAHVEH The LORD is my strength and my shield My heart trusts in Him, and I am helped Therefore my heart exults, And with my song I shall thank Him."


 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 3:20 PM
312 .  off the mark
i have found that people who leave messages here r so far of the mark than comments on subject that it is meant 2 b 4!!! 2 many christians r ready 2 waterdown the word of God 2 suit their pupose''s, since the gaza pullout, thousands of rockets have rained down on Israel and its people 1 2 many, but yet again people from the un uk us over the world r ready 2 put the jewish state 2 the sword 4 protecting themsleves as a christian with strong ziionist views, we shud be supporting Israel in what it does.. 2 long have the jewish state be giving up land terrority releasing terrorists from its prisons and have recieved thousands of rockets suicided bombers murder of citizens is this a good return i think not... remember of u who call themselves christians if u rebuke the jews u will surely face the wrath of the Lord in return
 
robin linstrom   1/1/2009 3:17 PM
313 .  Yes Yalak, that''s true what you said 1:49PM!
At the same time the law was for them that are (or wish to be) UNDER the law Rom3:19, and the law gives knowledge of sin, vs20. And the law is an ADMINISTRATION OF DEATH, 2Cor3:7 and kills, vs6.

The law is also an ADMINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION (like many ''christians'' on this site they still live in condemnation, for themselves, SO, also for others!!!).

Also the GLORY has done away, vs10, (and Hebr3:3) because under the law minds were BLINDED, vs14.

NOW we have something MUCH BETTER and Excellent (Hebr7:22, 8:6,12, 9:1215,22, 10:1,2,10,14,17,18,22,11:6,12:22, and 23: ''...all our spirits ARE MADE PERFECT NOW'', 1Joh4:17, Col2:10, Hebr10:14. Halleluuuuuuujah!
 
Bert   1/1/2009 3:16 PM
314 .  That''s true Joyce 2.16PM! Thank you.
I asked repeatedly, nice children of God, not to entertain this ''saint'' religious, condemning spirits here. They are worse!!! as unbelievers, from the time of Jesus on, until now.

It is NOT worth while the time, and you see (spiritual!) very soon, very clear you can discern what attitude a person has.

It is not worth while the time we also SHOULD give to higer things, Phil4:8: ''... all what is true, pure... THINK on these''. To His glory we are here, not for ourself.

It is all about our good Lord Jesus.
Stay blessed Joyce, and CmoGrued and thanks for your positive commitment in Jesus!
 
Bert, Holland   1/1/2009 2:54 PM
315 .  Yalak You sy that you read Revelation word for word
yet you say that JAHVEH of Old Testament is Jahshua of New? One thing is to read Revelation and another is to understand it. From the first verse of Revelation to the last three verses of last chapter you can see JAHVEH and Jahshua there always together. God and Lamb of God. God and Son of God (Son of Man). You need to read it again.
I John 1:22-23 "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also".
 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 2:44 PM
316 .  To CmoGrued
Hi CmoGrued, please don''t think that all KJV readers are like Raymond. I do believe that the KJV is the true Word of God and it is the only Bible I read, but I am not going to try and force my belief on you or anyone else. And I don''t try to act superior because of it either. There''s enough of that going on around here without me adding to it. I hope and pray, the best for you in whatever you decide to do. God bless you.
 
Joyce W   1/1/2009 2:16 PM
317 .  WE DARE NOT DISCONNECT...
We dare not disconnect the Old Covenant with the Newer Covenant.Yehosuah is the Yehovah of the Old Covenant.The origin of the Name is the same.Yehoshuah or Yeshuah means Yah or Yehovah saves.He is the same I AM.There is no New Testament without the Torah, the writings, the psalms, the prophets.The prophets were Jews as well as the Apostles.Yeshua is Jew.There is no division.In the great and final battle of Armagedon Yeshua Himself will lead the Battle.The Saints will be there for the Battle.After reading the Book of Revelation word for word I can understand who is The Lord of Lords and the King of Kings.Everyhwre armies are being prepared NOW for the final battle and quest.
 
Yalak   1/1/2009 1:49 PM
318 .  Psalm 105

 
  1/1/2009 1:31 PM
319 .  Thanks Yaro 6,52, for explaining but I think
you make it too difficult. ''Let the children come to me''. If you don''t become like (humble like) these, Kingdom is not for you''.

When you say a child something, he or she GRABS it thankfully. That''s like to be born again, and ALL the blessings and health and love promised. Bless you, in 2009 too!!
 
Bert   1/1/2009 1:22 PM
320 .  Cmo Happy New Year... you sound like you have experienced a
lot of hurt and no doubt felt very misunderstood....try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater though! We need each other, God made us family... and I must admit doing family is very hard at times... lol. You don''t sound like someone who will give up...but don''t be afraid to try again in Him....Christ is our focus after all and our healing is in Him... pray God makes your path very clear to you....=-)
 
Crystal UK   1/1/2009 1:19 PM
321 .  Thank you Eugene you''re a blessing, in 2009 AD too!

 
Bert   1/1/2009 1:17 PM
322 .  Israel needs to a change…
"The situation became much worse after the tragic uprooting of Jews from our homeland in [the Gaza Jewish communities of] Gush Katif. This provided a fertile ground for the increase in strength of Hamas and the dramatic and qualitative increase in terror," explained Ben-Haim.
"Israel needs to a change in the strategic balance of power in the area. In order to accomplish this we need to be located in all of our land."

MAY GOD PROTECT AND BLESS HIS PEOPLE!

Shalom
 
Melody   1/1/2009 12:38 PM
323 .  Confession then change..
I have not been to a church in over a year. Doctrines taught, people that claim to love God then use you for personal gain is all that seems to be the standard. I have been guilty of too much zeal and not enough tenderness to the weaker vessel. Must change! Must defend the faith with zeal, yet not be arrogant. I have attended and Pastored in four different denominations. I considered returning to the independent fundamental Baptist group but Raymond cured me of that thought. I love Jaroslav for I can relate, hope and pray for the best. Raymond you are pure evil. I will never step foot in a King James only group. Many there were like you, and over time I had forgotten what it was like… thanks for the unpleasant reminder. The NIV is a disgusting translation, but you are far more repulsive. I have experienced the spectrum of fundamental Baptist to the Vineyard, the most opposite ends of the spectrum! Must venture to what God has been telling me… something on my own. I must step into the Jordan and see what take
 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 11:16 AM
324 .  To Jack and your congregation
Out of 134 posts (when I send this), only 31 touched on the topic at hand. Don''t you think it a bit hipocritical that you have singled out mine? If you had read it you would have seen I explained why I didn''t address Carol''s bad theology sooner.

Have a healthy and happy New Year!

P.S. I think Israel should use all the force necessary to end the incessant rocket fire coming from Gaza and if it starts again from Lebanon.
 
FRANK   1/1/2009 8:32 AM
325 .  To Jack and your congregation
Out of 134 posts (wheb I send this), only 31 touched on the topic at hand. Don''t you think it a bit hipocritical that you have singled out mine? If you had read it you would have seen I explained why I didn''t address Carol''s bad theology sooner.

Have a healthy and happy New Year!

P.S. I think Israel should use all the force necessary to end the incessant rocket fire coming from Gaza and if it starts again from Lebanon.
 
FRANK   1/1/2009 8:29 AM
326 .  Happy New Year
This has been a wonderful year and this sight has helped me in ways many do not know!

Jaroslav I will be send my posts to you from the hell where I am going ! !

Good Wishes !
 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 8:03 AM
327 .  1 John 1:22-23
I John 1:22-23 "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also".
 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 6:54 AM
328 .  Dear Bert, I am 100% living soul ans so are you. As for my
spiritual relationship it is my own. Iam not born again because Bert or Frank or Borge or Clause will declare me born again. Far from it. I am born again if God will declare me His child and you can not know the difference. So who will be in the kingdom of satan and who will be in God''s Kingdom only God knows and will declare. My eternity is between my God and me with Christ who died for me in the middle as a Lamb of God who took away sins of the world. He is my High Priest who entered Holy of Holiest with His own blood once for all. There will be many liars at the end whom Christ will say: "go away from me...I never knew you.." Liars are even those who deny The Father or The Son believing in some mysterious trinity yet The Word of God is so clear about God and Son of God. There are lot of antichrists there in The Christian World.
I John 1:22-23 "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father eit
 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 6:52 AM
329 .  Happy New Year to all
We hope and pray, that everyone has a blessed and prosperous New Year.
 
Charles & Joyce   1/1/2009 6:32 AM
330 .  Happy New Year to all
May each & every one of you be richly blessed in the coming year.


Carol
 
Carol P   1/1/2009 6:20 AM
331 .  Just as God said he was sending the tribulation
through the seed of Ishmael, Hamas.
These seeds of Ishmael, the 12 tribes that came from him are coming into their places as God spoke they would through the prophet Daniel.
All Christians that are to go into captivity will go very soon.
Our King is coming. He lives and reigns forever! Allelujah to the true King of Israel. !!! Amen
 
Ezekiel   1/1/2009 5:37 AM
332 .  Thee''s and Thou''s
The comment "I can''t understand the thee''s and thou''s always makes me laugh. They mean YOU. Every place they appear. If that is too hard to learn then the problem isn''t King James English


 
Maprchr   1/1/2009 5:36 AM
333 .  Happy New Year Everybody

 
Raymond   1/1/2009 5:13 AM
334 .  The more you give in to these murderers
the more you will be in danger, and the more you will suffer, O Israel. There comes a time to do battle with those who would do harm to you, and kill you. Defend and keep all of your Sacred land. God gave it to you. Most of all, turn your trust to the real messiah, who has already come and gave his all to set you free.
 
Albert in NC   1/1/2009 5:07 AM
335 .  Cherry
it''s amazing what can happen when someone is
willing to look at the evidence. Sadly, many are
not.
 
Raymond   1/1/2009 5:06 AM
336 .  Bert
One thing that I am thankful for on this new years eve is people like you. As I have said before, you and I don''t always agree but I enjoy reading your comments and I have never seen a post where you were cross with anyone, correcting yes but not mean or ugly. Quite the contrary to some of my posts. Thanks and have a blessed new year.

For others on this site, mostly the women but some of the men, I thank the Lord for you daily. For the ones that haven''t learned what being a follower of Christ or a believer in Christ is, I constantly pray for you, and hope that you find out how to truly turn your lives over to Jesus through the Holy Spirit and do everything you do through Him. And all of you have a blessed new year.
 
Eugene   1/1/2009 5:04 AM
337 .  NIV Exposed Part 4
The name Jesus was removed 46 times from the NIV.
Here is one very sad example.
Matt. 16:20
King James - Then charged he his disciples that they should
tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
NIV - Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that
he was the Christ.
 
Raymond   1/1/2009 5:04 AM
338 .  AMEN KRISTIN!

 
  1/1/2009 4:51 AM
339 .  Jack I second that!

 
  1/1/2009 4:48 AM
340 .  Wise Words Jack
The Love of Christ constrains us to unity one with another- not aggravated discord!
And where there is Unity
it is there that GOD commands The Blessing !
God bless all who love and honour The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
We are privileged to stand with Him as 2009 begins.
It is surely a time when Christians needs to stand together !
Let us walk into the New Year in a manner worthy of our high calling.

God deliver Israel from the satanic agenda of the Militant Islamists-
that His Name may be known among the heathen.
THAT HE ALONE IS THE LORD MOST HIGH OVER ALL THE EARTH Ps. 83
 
Kristin   1/1/2009 4:43 AM
341 .  Hey Raymond
I learned this from chick.com.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 4:41 AM
342 .  Dear Jack I respect your attitude, and
please stay here. We need man like you, between all this hatred.

Shoulder to shoulder in this spiritual battle - but some think so fleshly that they THINK is a battle of flesh and blood...

Fight teh good fight. Ignoring all the flesh here and praying for the lost and, the worst: the judgemental religious popes on this site. Stay blessed Jack, also in 2009 AD!
 
Bert, Holland   1/1/2009 4:36 AM
343 .  jack
Isaiah 13
5 They come from faraway lands,
from the ends of the heavens—
the LORD and the weapons of his wrath—
to destroy the whole country.
 
cap   1/1/2009 4:27 AM
344 .  benfox said:
"bert, then why do Born Again Christians sin?"


 
captaindawg   1/1/2009 4:25 AM
345 .  Greek & Hebrew
Someone recently mentioned that I should be discussing Greek
& Hebrew. I addressed this matter is some of my previous posts.
Thank You.
 
Raymond   1/1/2009 4:24 AM
346 .  ''The Lord is a Mighty Warrior''
The Lord has ordained warfare in the defence of the righteous.

Zechariah 9:14/15
And the Lord shall be seen over them
and His arrow shall go forth as the lightning:
And The Lord God shall blow the trumpet ,
and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
The Lord of hosts [armies] shall defend them...''
 
Jack   1/1/2009 4:22 AM
347 .  Thank you Jack!!!!! For me personally I thank
all the brothers that rubbed me the wrong way in 2008 praise God -although you did it with hatred and religious, legalistic sefcenteredness - I got my spiritual and mature muscles even more strengthened!! So thank you! And if I can serve you and others with that: praise our good God!!

But I should be MORE thankful you quit indeed, even totally quit and to leave this site that SHOULD BE harmonious and full of love and respect, as ambasssadors of Christ.

Don''t try to discuss with me -I will not give you anwers anymore- BUT LEAVE THIS SISTER(S) to accuse and do harm all the time, LET GO!!!!!!
In the mighty Neame of Jesus, in the Name of true Love. I still love you all, and I hug you in this new GOOD Year!
 
Bert, Holland   1/1/2009 4:21 AM
348 .  I am amazed!!!!
Someone asking what man was your teacher. Seems to me that Jesus addresssed this subject in Matthew 23: 8-10, But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ and all ye are brothren. And call no man father upon the earth: for one is your father, which is in heaven. neither be ye called master: for one is your Master, even Christ. KJV or same verses from Amplified Bible, But you are not to be called rabbi (teacher), for you have one teacher and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one father, who is in heaven. And you must not be called masters (leaders), for you have one Master (Leader), the Christ.

Christ through His Holy Spirit is our teacher. To learn from man is against Christ. Listen to men, but confirm what you are told with the Holy Spirit. Keep learning from schollars and you will err every time.
 
Eugene   1/1/2009 4:12 AM
349 .  Well said Jack
I agree Jack!
Believers are meant to
'' be kind and courteous to one another especially to those who are of the household of faith''
A Blessed & Happy 2009 to all fellow believers in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
 
Rachel   1/1/2009 4:11 AM
350 .  To David Kaus.. a reproof
Isn''t it about time you learned the lesson ???
You are STILL singling out individuals to harrasss and insult via your personal attacks - usually because their viewpoint differs for your own!
You are doing it to Carol again.
Why not give it up as a new year resolution or has the habit gripped you too firmly in its evil grasp?
 
Jack   1/1/2009 4:05 AM
351 .  Sorry I meant Raymond.Typo

 
Dom   1/1/2009 4:05 AM
352 .  Raymoond I only preach from the KJV
But really you are doing more damage than Good.
 
Dom   1/1/2009 4:03 AM
353 .  Raymond, If you would preach Jesus the way you Preach
KJV Bible..you might make a good Witness.....you have turned it into on Idle....Like Catholics did with Mother Mary. Bible is not bad, Mary is not bad, until you hold them above G-d.
I not speaking agaist the word, but your not preaching the word.
I never hear you mention the Hebrew And the Greek which was the Inspired word.
Stop and think about how you sound.
I think you are smarter than this.
Amen
 
Dom   1/1/2009 3:58 AM
354 .  To Frank: The topic in question!
The subject under discussion here is:

During these times of wars and rumors of wars, one of the hottest debates among believers in Jesus - be they Messianic Jews or Gentile Christians - is whether or not we should participate in or support the use of armed force against our physical enemies.
So WHY ???are you giving Carol P another of your lectures about her opinion on eschatology ?


 
Jack   1/1/2009 3:57 AM
355 .  Cherry.
It''s good to have a friend on this site.
Have you read anything by Gail Riplinger, or Chick
Salliby, or D.A. Waite? May I ask where you learned
what you know.
 
Raymond   1/1/2009 3:25 AM
356 .  Understanding Gods word.
Some of the words in the King James can be difficult to
understand. My goal is to help my brothers in sisters in Jesus
Christ.
Buckler - Round shield with a grip.
Buffet - To strike with a clenched fist.
Carbuncle - A red precious stone.
Cast Angle - To fish with a hook.
Diadem - Royal headband worn by Eastern kings.
Durst - He/she dared was bold enough.
Earnest - Down payment.
Emerods - Hemorrhoids tumors.
Firkin - About 9 gallons of liquid.
Forswear - Swear falsely commit perjury.
Jot - The smallest Hebrew letter, yodh.
Laver - Wash basin.
Mammon - Earthly goods property riches.

 
Raymond   1/1/2009 3:19 AM
357 .  Mark 11:26 NIV
It was d.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 3:17 AM
358 .  Onward Messianic soldiers
Regarding this argument, what comes to mind are the words of that heroic German Lutheran pastor, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He became involved in the attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler, coming to the conclusion that it is better to DO evil than to BE evil.
 
Hannah Sealey   1/1/2009 3:15 AM
359 .  Mark 11:26 NIV
It was d.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 3:11 AM
360 .  NIV
Where is the verse Mark 11:26? It was d from the NIV.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 3:06 AM
361 .  KJV Exposed VI
Matthew 28:1, "In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week . . ." should be translated literally, "Now late on Sabbath, as it was getting dusk toward the first day of the week . . . ." The Sabbath does not end at dawn but at dusk.

John 1:31, 33 should say "baptize" or "baptizing IN water" not with water. Pouring or sprinkling with water is not the scriptural method of baptism, but only thorough immersion in water.

Cannot sell Bibles if we offend the sprinklers. The only Bible to translate this one correctly is the American Standard Version.

Solution: Burn all the Bibles and become Muslims! Or… Realize that there is no perfect translation, and become a real Christian !


 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 3:05 AM
362 .  Your welcome Raymond
Happy New Year to you too. One more reason not to trust the NIV. Luke 2:33 And "Joseph" and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him ( KJV). The NIV says "The childs father and mother marvelled at what was said about him. OR Matthew 9:13 KJV says "for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners TO REPENTANCE" NIV- I have not come to call the righteous but sinners. Period. More to come later.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 3:02 AM
363 .  Your welcome Raymond
Happy New Year to you too. One more reason not to trust the NIV. Luke 2:33 And "Joseph" and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him ( KJV). The NIV says "The childs father and mother marvelled at what was said about him. OR Matthew 9:13 KJV says "for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners TO REPENTANCE" NIV- I have not come to call the righteous but sinners. Period. More to come later.
 
cherry   1/1/2009 3:02 AM
364 .  NIV Exposed Part 3. Where Did He Go?
The title "Christ" was removed 45 times in the NIV.
Here are just 2 examples.
1 Tim 2:7
King James - ...I speak the truth in Christ...
NIV - I am telling the truth...

Phil 4:13
King James - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth
me.
NIV - I can do all things through (him) who gives me strength.

Who is "him?"


 
Raymond   1/1/2009 2:54 AM
365 .  KJV Exposed III
KJV reads “shalt be” should be “Holy One”

Revelation 16:5

KJV
And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

NIV

"You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged

All manuscripts say Holy One !

King James version is in error NIV is correct.

 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 2:53 AM
366 .  NIV Exposed Part 3. Where Did He Go?
The title "Christ" was removed 45 times in the NIV.
Here are just 2 examples.
1 Tim 2:7
King James - ...I speak the truth in Christ...
NIV - I am telling the truth...

Phil 4:13
King James - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth
me.
NIV - I can do all things through (him) who gives me strength.

Who is "him?"


 
Raymond   1/1/2009 2:51 AM
367 .  To all: the best and intimate relationship with Jesus in
Anno Domini -the Year of Our Lord- 2009!!!
 
Bert, Holland   1/1/2009 2:45 AM
368 .  KJV Exposed II
should read "shall come" or "and yet will come" !! NIV got it right!!

No Greek Manuscript in existence reads "and yet is"

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

NIV
The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

Mistake not Perfect ! !


 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 2:43 AM
369 .  bert, then why do Born Again Christians sin?

 
BENFOX   1/1/2009 2:43 AM
370 .  I am dead to sin (Romans 1:12)
I am completed by God (Ephesians 3:19)
I can bring glory to God (Ephesians 3:21)
I have been called (Ephesians 4:1 2 Timothy 1:9)
I can be humble, gentle, patient and lovingly tolerant of others (Ephesians 4:2)
I can mature spiritually (Ephesians 4:15)
I can be certain of God''s truths and the lifestyle which He has called me to (Eph4:17)
I can have a new attitude and a new lifestyle (Ephesians 4:21-32)
I can be kind and compassionate to others (Ephesians 4:32)
I can forgive others (Ephesians 4:32)
I am a light to others, and can exhibit goodness, righteousness and truth (Eph5:8-9)
I can understand what God''s will is (Ephesians 5:17)
I can give thanks for everything (Ephesians 5:20)
I don''t have to always have my own agenda (Ephesians 5:21)
I can honor God through marriage (Ephesians 5:22-33)
I can parent my children with composure (Ephesians 6:4)
I can be strong (Ephesians 6:10)
I have God''s power (Ephesians 6:10)
I can stand firm in the day of evil (Eph
 
Bert   1/1/2009 2:40 AM
371 .  Dear Jaroslav, I -being born again -has no
''sinful nature'' anymore, 2Cor5:17, e.s.o, e.s.o.

Otherwise, you know better than what God says? I referred to the (totally new) SPIRIT of men (1Tess5:23), one-third of Jaroslav(?!).... but I don''t know if you are born again - in that case you are -spirit, soul and body 100% of the kingdom of satan...

 
Bert   1/1/2009 2:39 AM
372 .  As I said before there is nothing perfect which
has been touched by men. Men are imperfect thanks to sinful nature so is their work.
 
Jaroslav   1/1/2009 2:03 AM
373 .  WHO cares I don''t know which translation
BUT I T W O R K S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Meditate on these:)

I can read in Dutch, English, French, German and a bit Greek and Hebrew!!
I am sooooo blessed!!! Berts Translation, 2008.

I am more than a conqueror (Romans 8:37)
I am the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21)
I am safe (I John 5:18)
I am part of God''s kingdom (Revelation 1:6)
I am healed from sin (I Peter 2:24)
I am no longer condemned (Romans 8:1, 2)
I am not helpless (Philippians 4:13)
I am overcoming (I John 4:4)
I am persevering (Philippians 3:14)
I am protected (John 10:28)
I am born again (I Peter 1:23)
I am a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17)
I am delivered (Colossians 1:13)
I am redeemed from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13)
I am qualified to share in His inheritance (Colossians 1:12)

 
Bert   1/1/2009 1:54 AM
374 .  Cherry. Thank You Very Much.
As I''m sure you already know, there are those
who will hate you for exposing the NIV.
Happy New Year to you and your family.
 
Raymond   1/1/2009 1:48 AM
375 .  KJV vs. NIV
Compare Hosea 11:12. In the KJV it says "Judah yet ruleth with God and is faithful with the saints". The NIV says Judah is "unruly" against God and the Holy one. One of them is wrong and its not the KJV.
 
Cherry   1/1/2009 1:40 AM
376 .  one more, I''m on a roll
Luke 2:14
NAS- "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.
KIV_ Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
What? even if He is not well pleased?
other versions
NIS-Glory to God in the highest, and peace on earth to people who enjoy his favor!"
God''s work translation- Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those who have his good will!"
It appears only the KIV is liberal enough to include all men, not only the ones that God is well pleased with. The actual translation is closer to the NAS, NIV the "well pleased" is what was meant.
 
Danny   1/1/2009 1:33 AM
377 .  Hey Jaroslav
Happy New Year

Looking forward to many wonderful sword fights !

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem!

Yeshua Hamashea! Can''t wait untill Rosh Hashanah !!!! The real New Year !!Trumpets to Blow Saints to Go !!
 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 1:30 AM
378 .  JW New World Translation
Yep, they had to come up with their own, for other translations did not work for their twisted doctrine. They changed many things, one worth noting is wherever it says to worship Jesus they change it to the word “obeisance” which means to "honor greatly". Their first addition in 1960 forgot to change in Hebrews "Let all angels worship Him" They have modified that mistake. Yet as always they twist the Greek and Hebrew. One reason I had to take several years of Greek… to catch the manipulators !!!

They hate the thought of worshipping Jesus.

Philippians 2: 10 every knee should “bend” not “bow”

 
CmoGrued   1/1/2009 1:25 AM
379 .  CmoGrued itself ehh, HIMself discoveres
sometimes interesting things. I like the KJV most of all, but indeed there ARE some weird things.
Praise God: only HE is perfect (and what He did or made... so WE are perfected too, Col 2:10, and Hebr10:14 we (our spirit) are perfected for ever!)

Stay blessed Eph1:3 Cmo!

By the way, the JehWitnesses have a ''special'' translation, made and moulded in New York?
 
Bert   1/1/2009 1:07 AM