MembersIs the Messiah the Son of David? (Part 2)

Why did Yeshua insist on pressing the rabbis for an answer regarding the origin and familial background of the Messiah?

By Gershon Nerel | | Topics: Messiah
The precise nature of Messiah and why he is called 'Son of David' has been a mystery to Bible scholars for millennia.
The precise nature of Messiah and why he is called 'Son of David' has been a mystery to Bible scholars for millennia. Photo: Gershon Elinson/Flash90

Matthew, Mark and Luke, the authors of the first three Gospels in the New Testament, write that the Lord Yeshua posed a short and logical question to the Jewish religious leaders concerning Messiah’s origin. But this question remained unanswered. The learned Pharisees and Scribes were unable to respond.

The question was neither mystical nor esoteric. It was a simple and sensible examination based upon one verse in the Book of Psalms, written by King David 1,000 years before the Messiah appeared in Bethlehem. This question was publicly presented at the epicenter of Jewish spiritual life: the Holy Temple’s courtyard in Jerusalem.

 

A reasonable query

The three Evangelists recorded the challenging question, in slightly different modes, as follows:

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Yeshua asked them, saying “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose Son is He?”

They said to Him: “The Son of David.”

Next, He asked them: “How then does David in the Spirit call Him LORD, saying: ‘The Lord (YHWH in Hebrew) said to my Master, “Sit...

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60 responses to “Is the Messiah the Son of David? (Part 2)”

  1. Malcolm Baker says:

    Thankyou for this article. Many who claim to be believers deny the deity of Yeshua. Many in Israel still do not recognise their Messiah. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

    • Jake Wilson says:

      “Deity” is a very ambiguous term; Yeshua is neither God nor “a god” (the latter fits paganism). The Messiah is an “elohim,” just like any ruler or ‘mighty one’ is.

      And if a judge is entitled to be called an elohim, how much more the Messiah?

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God.
        John 1:14 – And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

        Do you believe Jesus Christ is not part of the Trinity?

        • Jake Wilson says:

          The alleged Trinity evolved during the first 4 centuries and then became the central dogma of Rome Papal (which commonly rewarded Trinity denial with death).

          First they turned the Son of God into God the Son (while Jewry became the murderers of God), and during the Nicaean apostasy the rest of the idol was erected, – the Golden Calf of mainstream Christianity (sadly parrot by “Jews for Jesus” and our “Aharon/Arnold Fruchtenbaum” –history repeats itself).

          The word “God” in John 1:1c is the crucial bit. One must study the Greek and the underlying Hebrew, rather than on biased translations.

          “There is only one God – the Father.” (1 Cor 8:6)

          The Jewish people will be cleansed from their idols, but not the Gentiles; idolatry will cost them their salvation (providing they were ever saved).

        • Jake Wilson says:

          Acts 2:20 portrays Yeshua as “a man approved of God.”

          On earth, he was a man.

  2. Taylor Sealy says:

    I don’t see the problem with Yeshua being physically descended from David through Miriam but spiritually part of God. Human beings are multi-dimensional and those genealogies are there for a reason. God gave the earth to man, and Adam and Eve gave control of it legally to Satan. God became a man (while at the same time still reigning over the universe) and got legal control of the earth back to himself under the terms of his creation. Satan can’t become a man but God can. That’s the way I look at it anyway.

    • Jake Wilson says:

      The genealogies are spurious.

      And God never became man, his son did. The former claim is utter idolatry.

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        Agree with many of your points, save that of the genealogies being deceptive. Can you expound? (Please refer to my comment under Part 1 of this article.)

        • Jake Wilson says:

          Forgery is hard to prove.

          Many names are absent from the Tanakh, and a Jewish person would not introduce the generations of Avraham by writing “ele toldot Yeshua” (these are the generations of Jesus, cf. Gen 5).

          Mt 1:16 once read “yosef avi miryam” (Joseph, the father of Mary), because it referred to another Joseph. That’s why some fathers stated that Matthew’s line is Mary’s, and Luke’s line is Joseph’s (the Lucan genealogy in Codex Bezae is totally different). However, again, – no Jewish person would put down the lineage of a woman, since it is irrelevant.

          Until the 3rd century, those geneaologies were never seen as conflicting, and the reason is not “yosef avi miryam” but their non-existence; those genealogies were created by Gentiles.

          The first gospel was in Hebrew, penned by Mattai in 40 CE. The “Gospel According to the Hebrews” was later fragmented and corrupted, birthing the synoptics somewhere between 170 and 180 CE.

          • Jake Wilson says:

            Just to add:

            Heb 7:3 links Yeshua to the non-Levite king-priest Melchizedek, “who was without descent.”

            Yosef and Miryam were not Yeshua’s real parents; in that sense he does not have any biological descent (that’s the parallel).

  3. Jake Wilson says:

    Heb 1:2 says that God made the universe THROUGH his Son.

    After their betrothal Yosef & Miryam were one flesh, and thus Yosef’s Davidic line passed on to Yeshua. The passage at hand is an anti-Judaic interpolation.

    “He was neither human like us…” ??

    When Yeshua walked the earth he was as human as anyone. Does “Israel Today” assert he was a hybrid God/man, thereby disseminating standard anti-Christ doctrine these days?

    Scripture calls the Messiah ‘The Last Adam’ because he walked the earth without having man’s fallen nature. He was filled with the entire fountain of the Spirit, to wit, he was anointed (Heb. mashiach) and had received a certain amount of authority from God the Father (e.g. to forgive sin).

    Yet, 2,000 years ago, he was 100% flesh like any human being = HE HAD LEFT HIS DIVINITY “ON THE SHELF” WHEN HE CAME TO EARTH.

  4. AdinoBenaiah says:

    Gershon – Do you believe Jesus Christ was peccable?

    • Gershon Nerel says:

      The Lord Yeshua, the only begotten holy and pure Son of God the Father, the Creator of the world, the only one who brought atonement, forgiveness and salvation to sinful people, surely could NOT sin. He sends the Holy Spirit. The one who is THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE cannot sin.

      • Jake Wilson says:

        That’s religious nonsense.

        Of course, he could have sinned. He was tempted like everyone else, but never gave into sin.

        That’s the whole point. It’s not difficult to live a sinless life if you cannot sin. He was not some robot clad in immunity…

        Whom do folk think does Yosef typify when he ran away from Potiphar’s wife?).

        One would expect these churchy comments from the Vatican, but not from “Israel Today.”

        • Gershon Nerel says:

          What I actually mean is that although theoretically the Lord Yeshua could have sinned, still practically He would never commit a sin. He was not human in the sense in which any ordinary human being is a sinner. The real problem is with the slogan “100% God and 100% man”.

  5. Lois Heal Bright says:

    Thank you, Gershon, for your writing. Your presentation of Jesus, the Son of God, brings into perspective for me God’s plan of blessing for all the families of the earth (Gen. 12:3). God knew from the beginning that He would provide His Holy One who went before Israel, in whom is God’s name, who forgives our transgressions (Ex. 23:21) to come to earth for the purpose of shedding His blood for the sins of mankind.

    God’s powerful truth in Hebrews 2:14-17, brings me to my knees, “..as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage…He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.”

  6. Lois Heal Bright says:

    Con’t: And Hebrews 7:25, assures us, “He [Jesus] is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.”

    • Jake Wilson says:

      But most never come to God through him. The vast majority is unregenerate and follows Rome’s Trinitarian counterfeit gospel.

      As far as Gentiles are concerned, no one who follows Rome will be saved.

  7. Anna Puffer says:

    How could he be tempted in all ways as we are if he was not both fully man and fully God? He was a descendant of David through Mary as well as God incarnate. The idea of her being simply a surrogate is found no where in scripture.

  8. AdinoBenaiah says:

    The Trinity, of course, is not a Roman invention (as you hear falsely presented by the Campbellites), nor is the Trinity the half-accomplished thing taught by the followers of Judge Rutherford and Pastor Russell, nor is the Trinity some “Jesus-only” doctrine picked up by many charismatic groups. All of these groups have trouble with the word of God. None of them are sound in doctrine, nor can their adherents study the Bible properly. This ancient heresy was called “Arianism,” and it was discussed in the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. We read about the Godhead in Romans 1:20, where Paul says, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen… even his eternal power and Godhead.” In Colossians 2:9, the Lord Jesus Christ “dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” “Bodily” is a reference to a man.

    • AdinoBenaiah says:

      Cont…
      This brings up a problem. How can God be three persons and one God at the same time? Wouldn’t this make three gods? And then, of course, this would resemble a pagan philosophy and would contradict Deuteronomy 6:4. The idea of three created gods is an old pagan idea that one can find in all the pagan “mystery religions.” The mystery religions of Rome and Greece had three-headed gods, so the Trinity itself (as a doctrine) is nothing new. The pagan religions have trinities, but their gods are a plurality, “polytheism.”

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        Cont…
        Note that there is only one God, but the doctrine of the Trinity presents God manifested in three persons. I will explain this very briefly so that the uninitiated can understand it. One person is one person. I am only one person; I am not two. And yet, by any scriptural standard, I am three. Anyone reading this right now is a body, soul, and spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 says, “I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.” Every person is a body, soul, and spirit; yet they are one unit; and yet they are three.

        • AdinoBenaiah says:

          Cont…
          Notice this occurs all throughout creation. We have invisible red heat waves – a picture of the Father, yellow light rays that are seen picturing the Son, blue chemical rays that can be seen by their effect – picturing the Spirit. An even more accurate picture is the sun itself. The sun puts out alpha, beta, and gamma rays. These rays are classified as light, heat, and actinic rays. No one will deny that the sun is one unit. It is one star; it is certainly not three separate stars. Anyone who knows basic scientific facts knows that the sun puts out light rays which can be seen but not felt, heat rays that can be felt but not seen, and rays that can be neither seen nor felt: actinic rays. The actinic rays very plainly picture God the Father. The rays which can be seen but not felt picture Jesus Christ the Son showing up in human form. The rays that can be felt but not seen picture the Holy Spirit.

          • AdinoBenaiah says:

            Cont…
            Again, we have a beautiful illustration of the Trinity in water. Water is classified as H2O, and yet anybody can see the term H2O is three units. One unit of oxygen and two units of hydrogen. Does this make three separate things? No, it is water; it is one thing. And yet water can appear in ice form, in liquid form, or in steam form. What is ice as a liquid? It is water. Do you know what the liquid is as ice? It is water. Do you know what the liquid is as steam? It is water. Or as someone said one time, “Three in one, one in three, and the one in the middle died for me.”

  9. AdinoBenaiah says:

    Cont…
    Now, the unsaved man cannot understand these simple facts, nor can the people who teach “Jesus oneness, onlyness.” These people are not able to grasp simple, basic, primitive, primary, grade-school truths. The facts are that water is water appearing in three forms, and sunlight is the sun appearing in three forms. That is a fact. It can be proved. And yet, the uninitiated who spend a lot of time quoting Scripture about which they know nothing and preaching the Bible without studying it and perverting the word of God because they are not interested in what the doctrines have to say can never understand this simple, basic truth that a trinity is a common ordinary phenomenon of nature.

    • AdinoBenaiah says:

      Cont..
      The basis for the doctrine of the Trinity is very clear in the Bible. For example, at the baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 3:13-17, we see the Trinity at work. God the Father spoke from heaven and said, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” God the Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, was being baptized. God the Holy Spirit descended “like a dove” and alighted on the Saviour. Here is a perfect picture of the three persons of the Trinity at work, and although all members of the Trinity are “God,” God is not split into three separate gods. When we say God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit, we are not referring to three separate gods. We are referring to the fact that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God.

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        Cont…
        This is brought out very clearly in Mathew 28:19, where we were told to “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” There is only one name that will match the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. That name is not Jesus. The one name that will match the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is the LORD; so, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and baptizing “in the name of the Lord” (see Acts 10:48) is the same operation.

  10. AdinoBenaiah says:

    Cont…
    We realize that all American heretics who are trying to be saved by baptismal regeneration prefer the Jewish baptism of Acts 2:38-baptism “in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.” But this is the standard characteristic of all unsaved preachers who are going to hell while quoting Scripture, because these verses deal with Israel before the gospel of the revelation of the grace of God was given to Paul. In Acts 2:38, there are no Christians present. The term Christian does not occur anywhere in your Bible until Acts 11:26. In Acts 2, you are dealing with pork-abstaining, temple-worshiping, Sabbath-observing, circumcised Jews whose salvation had an element of faith and works mingled with it.

    • AdinoBenaiah says:

      Cont…
      This is why all unsaved preachers try to get you to Acts 2:38 to give you the “plan of salvation,” because there is no plan of salvation in Acts 2:38. Acts 2:38 is Simon Peter’s Pentecostal message to the house of Israel. This is more than apparent by the briefest study of verses 14, 22, 29, and 36. Baptism for a Gentile is said to be in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        Cont…
        Jesus is the Lord. The Holy Spirit is the Lord. The Father is the Lord. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The name Jesus is never applied to the Father. It is true that Christ said, “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9), but not once did Jesus ever call the Father “Jesus.” That is a mistaken notion that comes from not reading the Bible. Not once in the Bible is the Holy Spirit called “Jesus.” The Holy Spirit is called the “Holy Ghost,” the “Comforter,” the “Spirit of Christ,” the “Spirit of God,” and the “Spirit of truth.” The Lord Jesus Christ is called the “Messiah,” “Immanuel,” “Christ,” the “Lord,” the “Lord Christ,” “Jesus Christ,” “Jesus,” and the “Son of man.” Not once is Jesus Christ ever referred to as the Father. That is not all. The Father is referred to in the Bible as “Jehovah, ” “Jah,” “LORD,” “LORD God,” and “God,” but never Jesus.

        • AdinoBenaiah says:

          Cont…
          Notice in the benediction in 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul says, “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.” Notice in Genesis 1 that we find the Lord speaking of Himself in plural terms when He says in Genesis 1:26, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion.” God is plainly speaking of Himself, not as a plurality of gods, but as a plural God. That is what you have to get. You say, “I can’t understand it.” You can understand it if you can look in a mirror. You are not three people, but you are looking at a body, soul, and spirit. Christ said, “And fear not them which kill the body but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt 10:28).

          • AdinoBenaiah says:

            Cont…
            Now, why would anyone think they were the same when Christ said they are different? Paul said, “For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit” (Col 2:5). Why would anyone think they are the same when they are not? The Bible says in Heb 4:12-13 that the word of God is able to divide asunder the soul and spirit. Then if they are different, why would you think they are the same? They are the same because you yourself are body, soul, and spirit. You are not three individuals, but you exist in three manifestations. God is not a plurality of gods, but he exists in three manifestations. His body is the Lord Jesus Christ. His soul is God the Father. His spirit is plainly God the Holy Spirit.

          • Jake Wilson says:

            Since God created the world through his Son (Heb 1:2), of course, he says, “Let us…”

            Does “us” mean “three” these days? 🙂

          • Jake Wilson says:

            “His body is the Lord Jesus Christ. His soul is God the Father. His spirit is plainly God the Holy Spirit.”

            This is so beautiful… (because it’s diabolic).

            Is there a verse between Gen 1 and Rev 22 to back this?

  11. AdinoBenaiah says:

    Cont…
    It must be emphasized that the Trinity still remains a mystery, basically, and that no single illustration can possibly explain everything about the Trinity. For example, you can’t explain Christ saying, “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28) when they actually have the same essence. You can only explain that in view of the fact that when Christ makes that statement, He is on the earth in human form, and the Father is not. You cannot fully explain the collapse of the Trinity into a Unity in eternity after Revelation 22 when the Son will deliver up the kingdom unto the Father (1 Cor. 15:24), and then He Himself will submerge into God the Father so “that God may be all in all” (1 Cor. 15:28) the way it was before Genesis 1:1. However, we can use some illustrations to throw some light on the difficult and complex problem of the Trinity.

    • AdinoBenaiah says:

      Cont…
      The most important thing we know about the Trinity is that it exists. It is not a Roman doctrine. It is a Bible doctrine. It is not the doctrine of Pastor Russell and Judge Rutherford. Any Christian firmly believes that there is one God eternally existing and manifesting Himself to us in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Now, the Trinity can act as a unit. The Holy Spirit and the Son and the Father work as a unity in the following operations: in creation, in the incarnation, in redemption, in salvation, in communion, in prayer, in glory, and in regeneration. We could deep dive into each of those, but this has already become a book.

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        Cont…
        It is basic Bible doctrine that when you die, your spirit will leave your body. James says in James 2:26, “the body without the spirit is dead.” And when you die, your soul will leave your body, because Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:6, “the time of my departure is at hand.” In Genesis 35:18, we read that as Rachel died “her soul was in departing.” Therefore, to teach they are the same without distinction, and to indiscriminately mix them and integrate them without regard for their various distinctions, is a non-biblical approach to life, philosophy, the universe, and the truth. “Equal with separate distinctions” is the Bible approach to the Trinity. As far as that goes, it is the Bible approach to everything else. In Christ, “there is neither male nor female” (Gal. 3:28). They are equal, but they are plainly separate and distinct physical creations.

        • AdinoBenaiah says:

          Cont…
          The Bible teaches a triune Godhead composed of God the Father typified by your soul, God the Son typified by your body, and God the Holy Spirit typified by your spirit. The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and from the Son. The Son was regenerated and brought forth and produced by the Father. The Father, God the Father, the Creator, Jehovah of the Old Testament, was manifest in this flesh as the Son of God and manifest in this flesh as Jesus Christ. He was filled with the Holy Spirit. He was the Holy Spirit incarnate. He was the Godhead incarnate, and the Bible says in Colossians 2:9, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” God is honored and God is blessed when Christian people believe what they are supposed to believe, and that is what you are supposed to believe.

      • Jake Wilson says:

        I think that’s my favorite one:

        “The most important thing we know about the Trinity is that it exists.” 🙂

        So, if it’s biblical doctrine, where are the Bible verses that support it?

        Please leave actinic rays and H2O aside for the moment (we are all able to count till three), cheers.

    • Jake Wilson says:

      The reason you cannot explain it with the trinity is because it’s nonsense.

      Let me help you. If you admit that only the Father is God (1. Cor 8:6), it gets much easier:

      “The head of Christ is God, and the head of the woman is the man” (1 Cor 11:3).

      That was written a few decades after Christ’s ascension. So your argument that the Father is greater because he was not on earth is nonsense too.

      Any other satanic alternatives from your side?

  12. AdinoBenaiah says:

    Cont..
    So let us worship this great God, this One who is superior to us; this great One, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, the Almighty who can manifest Himself in three different ways. As the Eternal Spirit He sustains the universe; as the Eternal Spirit in glory He sustains and upholds all creation, He knows all the thoughts of man. His eyes are in every place beholding good and evil; He can manifest Himself as a literal, visible human man in physical flesh, who can suffer like we suffer, who was tempted like we are tempted, who died like we die, and who shed blood like we shed blood. “In all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren” (Heb. 2:17), that He might be tempted, that He might suffer, that He might die as a man, and that by the grace of God He might “taste death for every man” (Heb. 2:9) so that He might be able to take the sinner’s place and save us poor, wretched sinners.

    • Jake Wilson says:

      “Godhead” refers the Messiah’s divine nature, and anyone who goes a bit deeper knows that Mt 28.19 is forged.

      As much as I like the colorful explanations about ice, water, and steam, – some verses about the alleged Trinity would be nice.

      The supposed “triune God” belongs to the doctrines of demons which is why it is so appealing. The adversary knows man’s drive to worship & idolize, and that’s where he got a foot in the door; it was a mere countermeasure introduced by the fallen cherub to cancel the Gentile’s salvation.

      Trinitarians always jump to their next “proof text,” yet never respond to verses which expose their claims as false; such as this one:

      “There is only one God – the Father.” (1 Cor 8:6)

      The idolater replies, “No, the Son is also God.”

    • Jake Wilson says:

      Disregarding the fact that you provided no verses which support the supposed “Most Blessed Holy Trinity”, it sounds all wonderful.

      How come you push the satanic dogma so rigorously? You work for the Pope or Fruchtenbaum?

      Idolizing the Mashiach as Almighty God is the safest way to eternal damnation (needless to say, that false teachers who lure others into idolatry and perdition, will go into the lowest regions of gei hinnom; Adolf will envy your spot).

      • AdinoBenaiah says:

        I understand your intention is to mock, sir – a common response by those educated beyond their intelligence. Psalm 12:6-7 states that God preserved his words pure and perfect forever, so I take Him at his word. (If you need a rundown of those 7 purifications simply ask “us” – could be three)

        Men that are crippled too high for crutches (Westcott and Hort) always revert to – “that verse is rubbish!” They edit the Bible to fit their beliefs, then call others “Devilish and Adolf” because they disagree. Mocking God’s creation, then altering his Words. See their outcome described in Rev 22:18-19.

        Either the Bible is God’s Word or it’s not. I know it is. I also know I’m saved by grace through faith. Thank God – The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

        • Jake Wilson says:

          My intention is to refute the alleged Trinity.

          God preserves his words, but where are they? Gen 13:10 has “Zoar” in the Hebrew (a place near the Dead Sea), while the Syriac has “Zoan” (the most fertile region in Goshen). Which one is God’s word?

          The NT is far more corrupted, and God commands you to test everything.

          Someone who ignores verses such as, “THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD – THE FATHER,” and rambles about H2O instead, is clearly led by Satan.

          PS: Providing you are born of water & Spirit (and not just waffling about “saved by grace through faith”), your idolatry will take you to the firepit (unless you are Jewish).

          You have been warned.

          • AdinoBenaiah says:

            Here it is preserved…
            just as He PROMISED.
            A.D. 170: Old Syriac and Old Latin.
            A.D. 180: Tatian and Old Syriac.
            A.D. 200: Tertullian and Old Latin.
            A.D. 250: Cyprian and Old Latin.
            A.D. 350: Priscillian and Athanasius.
            A.D. 415: Council of Carthage.
            A.D. 450: Jerome’s Vulgate.
            A.D. 510: Fulgentius.
            A.D. 750: Wianburgensis.
            A.D. 1150: Miniscule manuscript 88.
            A.D. 1200-1500: Four Waldensen Bibles.
            A.D. 1519: Greek Manuscript 61.
            A.D. 1520-1611: Erasmus TR.
            A.D. 1611: King James Authorized Version of the Holy Bible.

          • AdinoBenaiah says:

            Thank you for the “warning” – I’ll pass.
            The promises of God are sufficient. Did you research any of the references I presented? There are plenty.
            Here is one that fits your traditions…
            Mark 7:13 KJV
            Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
            And another…
            Colossians 2:8 KJV
            Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

  13. Jake Wilson says:

    The Spirit’s gentleness and the role of giving support and comfort are feminine traits. The word ruach is feminine in gender, and the Hebrew Gospel ascribes maternity to the Spirit.

    “My mother, the Holy Spirit, took me and carried me to the great mount Tabor.”

    Yeshua said, “He who knows the Father and the Mother will be called ben zona.”

    “My mother gave me a body, but my true mother gave me life.”

    In Gen 1:2, the Holy Spirit conceived, brooded, and gave birth to the Light of the World the moment the Father said, “Let there be Light.” By using Miryam as an earthly instrument, it was again the Spirit who conceived and gave birth to Yeshua through the power of the Father. In 360 CE, Ephrem cites the passage from the Hebrew Gospel:

  14. Jake Wilson says:

    “The Spirit will come, together with the power of EL ELYON; for the one to be born of you will indeed be called ben HA-ELOHIM.”

    Oxford & Co. has demonized the above truth as ‘Gnostic.’ Yet just as earthly parents are one flesh yet two persons, the male being the head, so the heavenly parents are one spirit yet two persons, the male being the head.

    Since God the Father is both holy and a spirit, He too is a holy spirit. Also the Son, being the last Adam who became a quickening spirit (1 Cor 15:45), is a holy spirit. And lastly, we have the ‘Mother’ who bears the TITLE Holy Spirit.
    The above are spirit beings who are holy and have the same divine nature (just as my parents and I are ‘unholy’ corporeal beings who have the same human nature).

    • Jake Wilson says:

      It is a family of three, yet only one of them is God – the Father. The fact that all family members are divine (or human respectively), doesn’t make everyone the family head.

      “The head of Christ is God, and the head of the woman is the man” (1 Cor 11:3).

      Father, Mother, and Son share the same divine omnipresent spirit. A regenerate Nazarene who is filled with the Holy Spirit is also indwelled by the Father’s and the Son’s Spirit (Mt 10:20; Rom 8:9; Gal 4:6):

      “If someone loves me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and live in him.” (Jn 14:23)

      Some two billion Gentiles worship the Trinity idol; none of them will be saved.

      • Jake Wilson says:

        For what it’s worth, this is how Eusebius cited Mt 28.19 some twenty times:

        “Yeshua the Son of God, said to his talmidim after his resurrection: ‘Go and instruct all Gentiles,’ and added: ‘Teach them to uphold all the things that I have commanded you.'” (Proof of the Gospel 1.3)

        “The law of the new covenant began and from thence went forth and shone upon all, according to the commands which he gave his talmidim when he said: ‘Go and instruct all Gentiles and teach them to uphold all the things that I have commanded you.'”

        “He said in one word and enouncement to his talmidim: ‘Go and instruct all Gentiles in my name and teach them to uphold all things that I have commanded you.'”

        “This is also what is meant by the words of our deliverer: ‘All authority is given unto me in heaven and on earth. Go and instruct all Gentiles in my name.'”

  15. Jake Wilson says:

    Sorry, I forgot to mention that anti-Judaic Chrysostom quoted Mt 28.19 like Eusebius (and so did Origen):

    “Hear what the Messiah says to the talmidim: ‘Go and instruct all Gentiles and teach them to uphold all things that I have commanded you.'” (Hom, on Ephesians 2.10)

    And in 337 CE, Aphrahat cited Mt 28:19 thus:

    “Go and instruct all Gentiles and they will believe on me.” (Dem. 1.8)

    Aphrahat, the Persian sage, was hardly affected by the manuscript tampering that went on in the West. But Codex A, Codex B, and Codex א all mirror Rome’s indoctrination and replacement project (i.e. what the pagans decided at Nicaea, etc.)

    • Jake Wilson says:

      Last but not least, this is how folk saw Christ prior to the introduction of the diabolic Trinity dogma:

      • In 40 CE, Philo spoke of “God, the Shepherd and King of the Universe, with His Word and Firstborn Son as viceroy.” On Husbandry 51.

      • In 150 CE, Justin Martyr portrayed the Messiah as “another god [theos] and Lord SUBJECT to the Maker of all things; who is also called an Angel [“elohim”], because He announces to men whatever the Maker of all things – above whom there is no other God – wishes to announce to them.” Dialogue With Trypho 56.

      • In 344 CE, the Persian Sage Aphrahat, who represented Christianity in its most Semitic form, testified about himself: “Behold, I who am of the Gentiles have heard that the Messiah has come. Before he had come, I believed in him. I worship the God of Yisrael through him.” Demonstrations 17.10.

  16. Jake Wilson says:

    PS: Needless to say that although the Eusebian reading of Mt 28.19 lacked the triadic formula, it is corrupt too.

    The original Hebrew pericope read thus:

    “Go and teach them [your Jewish brethren] to uphold all the things that I have commanded you.”

    The first insertion, “instruct all Gentiles in my name,” likely occurred in 170 CE when the gospels were compiled; Jerusalem was a pagan city-state at that time most Jews were either in exile or dead – not many left to protest.

    The second insertion, to wit, “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” was arranged in 340 CE by Athanasius upon Eusebius’ death – he couldn’t protest either.

  17. Jake Wilson says:

    Regarding his earthly ministry: Could he have sinned? Yes. Did he sin? No.

    The first Adam had no sinful nature, and decided to sin. The last Adam had no sinful nature either, and decided not to sin. Had he sinned, no salvation would be possible.

    Which verse says he was “100% God and 100% man”?

    The ‘Holy Trinity’ was set up by the Father of Lies to receive worship; it is his masterpiece of replacement (Gk. anti | ‘in place of’).

    Working through Rome, the adversary has replaced ‘the Son of God’ with ‘God the Son,’ thereby denying the Son. The latter becomes part of a non-existent theoretical construct in which he usurps the title of God e.g. ‘the Son Almighty’ as stated in the Athanasian Creed.

    Presenting Yeshua as a hybrid Godman is the premise for the above and fulfils a criteria of antichrist:

    “Not acknowledging that Yeshua the Messiah came as a human being. This is the mark of the deceiver and the anti-Messiah.” (2 Jn 1:7, CJB)

  18. Jake Wilson says:

    Does this refer to Mt 28.19?

    Of course, the vast majority of MSS has the triadic version of it. However, no thinking person would follow the multitude for evil.

    A glance at Acts 19:5; Rom 6:3; 1 Cor 1:13; Gal 3:27, etc. shows that NO ONE was ever immersed in the trine name; both Jews and Gentiles were always immersed in Yeshua’s name.

    Referencing the triadic form of Mattai 28:19, the Anchor Bible dictionary observes:

    “According to a wide scholarly consensus, it is not an authentic saying of Jesus.”

    Adolf von Harnack, leading historian of the Christian church in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, notes:

    “Matth. XXVIII. 19, is not a saying of the Lord. […] The Trinitarian formula is foreign to the mouth of Jesus and has not the authority in the Apostolic age which it must have had if it had descended from Jesus himself.”

    • Jake Wilson says:

      I don’t know why you’re bringing the verses about tradition; the Holy Trinity is a man-made doctrine = it’s nothing but church tradition (though satanic).

      Should you ever stop parroting Rome and start studying Scripture, I recommend:

      Patrick Navas, “Divine Truth or Human Tradition: A Reconsideration of the Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity in Light of the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures” (Bloomington, 2011).

  19. Annette Leon says:

    Let’s keep it simple. There were many gods in past as there is today. God is only a word to describe.
    I would suggest to change to, there is only one Creator of the universe, I think Abraham recognised that as he could comprehend for his time. How to recognise the Creator in our time ? To recognise YESHUA bring him into our time and rid of Theology for the Man he was, the Messiah for his time.
    I adhere to what I see as real about him.???? ????

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